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Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:54 PM

Tin Foil theory about the Rove meltdown....someone Unhacked Ohio. And he realized he was fucked as..

the actual totals were correct and an audit or recall would have shown an accurate election.

The Rove hack would have been big enough to push the margain outside the recall window to avoid getting caught.

It also explains R$mneys lack of a concession speech.

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:00 PM

1. It also explains R$mneys lack of a concession speech.

And it might explain why our party wasnt too concerned....

They already knew about it, and had reverted the software back to being accurate.

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Response to DJ13 (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:27 PM

20. Remember the speech

 

to KKKarl from Anonymous a few weeks ago????

Now Anonymous knows how to HACK!!!

I think it explains why he was having such a hissy fit over accepting the Ohio call for Obama.

But even without Ohio, Obama would have won.

But it is truly SWEET KARMA that it was OHIO that put Obama over the TOP! I get goosebumps thinking about it..especially since I was in OH in '04 when that Election was stolen.

This is what RobMe was banking on...another one of KKKarl's little tricks.

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Response to femrap (Reply #20)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:23 PM

58. A lot of us here in Ohio worked our tails off

Trying to get President Obama reelected so I was so proud the Buckeye State put him over the 270 mark.

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Response to rbrnmw (Reply #58)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:08 PM

71. Ohio Preserved Democracy in Our Republic

You have every right to be proud of your dedication to having the Voice of the People being heard.
Thanks to you and all your friends!

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Response to mckara (Reply #71)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:17 PM

76. +1000 nt

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Response to mckara (Reply #71)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:45 AM

160. Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman

Since 2000.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #160)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:31 AM

204. These two fine men...

They never rested....relentlessly staying ontop of and instep with the voter criminals....calling them out!

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #204)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:44 AM

208. They also took the SOS of Ohio to Court one day before the election.....

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Response to Octafish (Reply #160)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 04:49 PM

221. Right...two true-blue American heroes,

Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman. For 12 long years they kept fighting and never gave up.

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Response to mckara (Reply #71)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:26 AM

200. Thank you Ohioans!!!

I'm one-half Ohioan, as my father was from Ashtabula (Ashtabula High, 1929) and also went to school in Geneva, learned to swim in Lake Erie.

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Response to rbrnmw (Reply #58)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:07 PM

118. Proud of Ohio, indeed!

Thank you!

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Response to rbrnmw (Reply #58)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:29 AM

203. thank you for all you did..n/t

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Response to femrap (Reply #20)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:26 PM

79. he, he, he... ha, ha, ha...

sounds fun doesn't it?

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Response to femrap (Reply #20)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:08 PM

120. Sweet karma indeed. '04 was heartbreaking. It took a long time to get over that.

That was when I found DU. I literally couldn't stand another minute on the other chat board I belonged to, with all the repukes gloating and ridiculing those of us who knew the state had been stolen.

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Response to Doremus (Reply #120)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:19 PM

156. November 2004, a couple of weeks after the election, was when I found DU also.

I knew from the first day that the election was stolen, and DU was the only discussion board where people talked about it openly--other "liberal" websites very much included!

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Response to Doremus (Reply #120)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:42 AM

207. Me too. I found DU right after the 2004 election.

Knew it was stolen but back then truly believed the Repubs would get caught with so many discrepancys.
It was hard to believe, they took another election, just like 2000.
We are always so fearful anymore of stolen elections, we know they used voter suppression in this election, but I wonder how many votes the Repubs managed to flip.

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Response to femrap (Reply #20)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:53 AM

167. That was my first thought - Anonymous did it!

Thank you Anonymous!

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Response to liberalla (Reply #167)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:56 AM

175. Anonymous

 

loves JUSTICE AND THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!!

We'll probably never know...but I still thank them as do you.

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Response to DJ13 (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:32 PM

88. that would be a level of political competence Democrats haven't shown in at least a decade

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Response to yurbud (Reply #88)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:46 AM

209. I don't think ti was the Democrats. It was Bob Fitrakis, from the green party, who took Husted, the

SOS of Ohio, to COUrt MOnday before the election. That is why, I believe Ohio was not stolen. there was a federal judge watching who said he would investigate if necessary.

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:03 PM

2. For a quick second on Tuesday I got the same sinking feeling in my gut...

...kinda like when they called FL for Al Gore in 2000 and they went to Lt AWOL's HQ and the chimp himself said "i'd re-check those Florida numbers if I were you"...and that's when I knew the fix was in...

I momentarily thought the same thing when TurdFace started squawking on Tuesday night...But then I just realized he was full of shit and desperately hoping to stay alive based on the promises he had made..

I thought for a second that they ONLY reason he was so adamant was because he KNEW Ohio had been fixed and somehow the sheer volume of voters had over-ridden the fix....

Still doesn't explain the lack of a concession speech other than a fucking ginormous ego...

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Response to truebrit71 (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:27 AM

171. Additionally they thought they were going to be successful in suppressing the vote

but even the Supreme Court sent them packing.

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Response to truebrit71 (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 05:53 AM

233. Me too

When Rove started freaking out I got that sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. I kept waiting for the shoe to drop.

And I definitely think there was a real reason behind his freakout that night. Either the fix was hacked, or the fix wasn't enough, or something. But I firmly believe there was a planned fix of some sort that just didn't go as intended.

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:04 PM

3. Hoisted by his own petard,

so to speak? Facts be damned, this is just too good not to be true.

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Response to Mme. Defarge (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:14 PM

123. Um, make that "Husted by his own petard" :) - n/t

 

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #123)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:54 PM

132. Hee!

Well punned!

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #123)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:38 PM

195. I stand corrected, nt

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:05 PM

4. I don't even think they were ever close to winning Ohio

Personally I think if Ohio was investigated we'd find that Obama actually won with more votes that what was counted.

And in the end we never needed Ohio to win.

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Response to LynneSin (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:32 PM

22. Husted, OH's

 

SoS would have done everything in his power to stop a recount. And in the deep red counties of Ohio, the votes would have been tampered with. No, it had to be called that night for Obama or he'd done the same thing as Kenny Blackwell in /04.

I'm going with Anonymous....they are Super Hackers and they had warned KKKarl a few weeks ago.

But you're right....we didn't need OH, but it sure was sweet.

The way KKKarl kept pointing to his little white board filled w/ his numbers. He kept showing it...like his numbers were TRUE FACT!!!

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:05 PM

5. It was clear from Karl's sputtering and hair on fire demeanor that something he was

EXPECTING to happen did not happen that night. He seemed frantic and quite unhinged. All his beautiful plans dissolving in front of his eyes. Even after they explained why the math was not there for them, he seemed incredulous that he lost. If the fix had been in, something got "unfixed" and that was unfathomable to him. Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy. May he drift off into obscurity. So let it be written, so let it be done!

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Response to Grammy23 (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:21 PM

16. +1 My thoughts exactly.

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Response to Grammy23 (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:47 PM

35. I think Husted and Kasich lost their nerve.

There would have been a gigantic investigation in which lots of people with R after their names got sent to the pokey. They chickened out and ratfucked Rover.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #35)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:06 PM

47. ah, now THAT seems plausible to me. Rather than someone unhacking the hacked software,

I can buy that it was SUPPOSED to be hacked, but that in the end, someone lost their nerve because it was so evident the country was on to them. It would have been investigated, and you're right, someone would have gone to the pokey. I don't think they'd have gotten away with it this time, and the person who was supposed to do the deed chickened out.

Good call!

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Response to pnwest (Reply #47)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:49 AM

211. There was a federal judge watching because lawsuits were filed in Ohio about the software!

They stuck software patches on the computers 3 days before the election. they got caught doing that by election protection advocates. (from teh Green Party no less! So stop it yee who bitch and moan about third parties.)

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #35)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:12 PM

74. I'm coming down on your side ...

with this one. When the law suit regarding the "patches" failed, I think someone whispered to Husted and/or Kasich, "You know what? If a single Federal judge issues a warrant to seize the tabulator, we're gonna go to jail for a long, long time. And everyone that's involved in this is gonna point the finger directly at us."

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #74)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:15 PM

75. It's the only thing that both explains Rove's

colossal and irrational meltdown which doesn't require some big conspiracy.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #74)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:49 PM

131. Those patches!

Of course! I think you may have solved the mystery.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #74)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:50 AM

212. It didn't exactly fail. the Judge said he was open to investigation after the eleciton if there were

a reason to. That lawsuit may have saved our democracy. I don't call it a fail.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #212)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:56 AM

219. I agree ...

While the suit was dismissed (the basis for my terming the suit a failure), the judge put the gop on notice that they could not get away with the flip without subjecting themselves to prison. I suspect that the judge sensed the stench, but did not have enough to upset an election (a very high standard), but posted a proverbial cop to the beat ... just in case.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #219)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 04:51 PM

222. Boom.

You, sir, have the correct answer. And Husted decided that prison was not his preferred option.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #219)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:05 PM

229. yes. now how do we let 3 million+ people know this?

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #35)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:54 PM

107. I think we have a winner! eom

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #35)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:56 PM

133. I think the IT guy chickened out

He must have received email about Mike Connell

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Response to malaise (Reply #133)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:33 AM

176. exactly

what i thought

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #35)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:17 PM

193. I agree. This IS what happened.

The fix was in, but at the last minute, the fixers lost their nerve. There was no way they were going to explain their results, given the way the rest of the country was going. No one wants to go to jail for Karl Rove, and so they bailed.

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Response to Frank Cannon (Reply #193)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:44 PM

196. It became apparent to Husted or someone else

(Kasich?) that Ohio wasn't going to matter. Who the fuck in their right mind would then volunteer to spend 10+ years in a hard core, heavy-duty federal slammer to protect KKKarl Rove. Nobody, that's who. Self-preservation kicks in at some point.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #35)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:25 PM

194. +

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #35)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:39 AM

206. That is my take on this.... cold feet.

Bob Fritrakis and company were on Husted 24/7 taking his fraudulent shenanigans to Court immediately.

Then, Husted was exposed Nationally by MSNBC starting with the firing of Dennis Lieberman and Tom Ritchy, the Montgomery County Board of Election Officials over weekend voting. From that day forward...all eyes were on them.

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Response to Grammy23 (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:08 PM

50. BINGO

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Response to Grammy23 (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:13 PM

52. +1 those were my thoughts as well

 

I thought it was written all over his face and also in the overly confident Romney demeanor as well. He just had a smirk on his face like he was told don't worry about it, the fix is in for you.

Well that's my two cents anyway.

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Response to Ya Basta (Reply #52)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:31 PM

86. I agree with you...and welcome to DU!

I was watching FOX when he had his little meltdown. So building up to that outburst and his cocky demeanor all evening, really showed he was 100% sure Romney would win Ohio. Not "sure" like the polls said they would win, but "sure" as in, "this is all bought and paid for and in the bag."

He knew it would work, as it had before. So he really was shocked.

But I'm not sure went wrong. I figure one of two things: his buddies backed out and didn't do what they were supposed to do or Obama had such a turnout that it overwhelmed their fudged numbers.

I'm really thinking though, it only takes one bad county to make the difference. Like that lady in Wisconsin with the bad numbers that benifitted Walker, Get one bad egg doing your vote manipulation and you can win the election.

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Response to DonRedwood (Reply #86)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:42 PM

130. Its nice to be around like minded folks.. :)

 

What ever happened. Glad it all worked out for the best and we can at least all breath a big sigh of relief. Plus its fun to watch the wingnuts have a melt down.



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Response to Grammy23 (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:19 PM

77. +1000 nt

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Response to Grammy23 (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:28 PM

84. May he drift off into obscurity.

But not so obscure that those donors who gave him millions to defeat Obama can't find him.



(besides, I'm sure he should be in jail....for something....)

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Response to Grammy23 (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:00 PM

114. they would have lost anyway, even with Ohio....so maybe someone unhacked it due to the futility and

the chance of getting caught?

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Response to Grammy23 (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:01 PM

115. I think his response and demeanor "proves" he thought the fix was in.

It kind of reminds me of the scene in the movie The Sting in which the Paul Newman beats the poker cheat by cheating better than him. The cheater is incredulous and furious because he knows why he was beat, but can't prove it to anybody because that would require admitting his own ways. Perfect.

I still was hoping (and still am) that Anonymous or another similar entity will throw a large enough election to finally show the general US public what can (and likely already has been) happen for once and for all. Kind of like how somebody hacked into the school board election (in Maryland??) and had Bender the drunken robot character from Futurama win, but bigger. It's going to take something too big to ignore to get our system safe again.

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Response to Grammy23 (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:04 AM

217. It reminded me of the trading floor in "Trading Places"

as the Duke Brothers watched the price of frozen orange juice plummet in front of their eyes, having relied on purchased inside information.

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:07 PM

6. That would be some sweet revenge

Since all this vote flipping crap happens behind the scenes in a non-verifiable, non-transparent setting -- I am just going to pretend that's how it went down!

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Response to Blue Owl (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:36 PM

24. web site for ohio did go down but

many activists had screen shots so those numbers could not roll backwards

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9713

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:07 PM

7. Tin foil hat firmly on

Anonymous said they were going to keep an eye on him.
just saying.

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Response to sylvanus (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:36 PM

23. Hey there sylvanus....

 

I just said the same thing up-thread!

I believe it was Anonymous, too. I watched the video twice. They are Super Hackers unlike widdle KKKarl's hackers.

Welcome to DU! This is your first post...come on, you're with Anonymous.

I wish someone would teach me to hack...seriously, I want to hack Corporate CEO emails so I can put them in jail!

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Response to sylvanus (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:50 PM

68. Welcome to DU.

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:08 PM

8. like the scene in "Quiz Show"

where the host does a double-take when the guy answers the question correctly.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:40 PM

27. Yes, exactly!

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:09 PM

9. Husted's software patch didn't work

and Rove hadn't been informed yet.

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Response to oswaldactedalone (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:17 PM

13. Did it occur to anyone that the "Patch"

was actually a switch back to equity? Someone could have been on to them, so they had to cover their asses

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Response to mattvermont (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:21 PM

17. Excellent theory!

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Response to mattvermont (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:38 PM

26. NO way....

 

you don't know Husted, OH SoS. He's a rapid repugnant....taking suppression measures all the way to the Supreme Court. He has been in OH politics for a long time....a real shit head. I can't think of a word bad enough to describe him. He'd do anything for KKKarl.

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Response to femrap (Reply #26)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:33 PM

90. these types have no loyalty

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Response to fascisthunter (Reply #90)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:59 PM

139. Nor would Husted take a Federal rap for Rove in an already lost effort.

If *I" knew that Obama had won as soon as Pennsylvania was called, I am sure that Husted could figure it out, too.

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Response to mattvermont (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:40 PM

28. Hmmm!

I like it!

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Response to mattvermont (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:46 PM

34. anonymous...was....nt

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Response to mattvermont (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:07 PM

48. Yes, I thought of that.

When I was driving with my son yesterday, I told him that I thought the "patch" actually made the machine counts correct. Last week I told he and my wife about Anonymous and showed them the video.

I think there may have been more than just the video. Anonymous may have "proven" they were on top of it.

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Response to lobointexas (Reply #48)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:49 AM

182. Do you - or anyone else - have a link to the video?

... I never saw it.

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Response to mattvermont (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:32 PM

87. that thought occured to me too...

there were numerous OFA observers, DOJ, and even UN observers.. that was my hypothesis is the "patch" was restoring the machines to nuetral in fear of being caught..

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Response to mattvermont (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:36 PM

92. That was exactly our theory on Tuesday night. n/t

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Response to mattvermont (Reply #13)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:38 AM

180. continuing the theory...

how about because someone realized Obama could win without Ohio. The thieves realized they would have to hack more than just Ohio. Why take that much personal risk for something that is no longer likely to affect the outcome in your favor?

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Response to mattvermont (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:47 PM

228. Anonymous issues warning to Rove on Friday

Monday the "emergency" patches were applied...or they were applied but the code was "unhacked"....

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Response to oswaldactedalone (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:26 PM

80. The patch was bullshit conspiracy

Obama won, the patch paranoia lost

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:12 PM

10. Maybe something like this:

$370 million can buy a lot of favors as well as a lot of ads. So suppose Rove paid or promised to pay the OH SoS, Husted, a bunch of money for getting that dodgy uncertified software patch installed in the voting machines. The software could have been designed to randomly flip Obama votes to Romney votes in various precincts in such a way that no obvious pattern can be observed and the margin is just enough to win but not so large as to raise suspicions and trigger some kind of audit or lawsuit.

However, Husted and the software patch are getting more scrutiny than anybody anticipated. So at the last minute Husted, fearing exposure and possible prison, gets cold feet; he decides that whatever Rove promised him isn't worth the risk and aborts the "mission." Meanwhile Rove is live on Fox "news" arguing that it's too soon to call OH for Obama because he expects the flipped votes to start coming in - but they don't. Also meanwhile, Romney, who because of the campaign's delusional bullshit polls (and maybe expecting the Rove/Husted fix to come in) didn't expect the other swing states to go for Obama, is writing his victory speech and planning a fireworks display in Boston.

So Rove is wetting his pants on national television because the Romney votes he expected aren't showing up and he knows he'll have a lotta 'splainin' to offer those big donors who are getting nothing for their millions. Was he just delusional about Romney's chances of success or was he pissing tacks because a vote-flipping scheme had failed?

We may never know. But I think Oliver Stone should make a movie about Rove someday.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:37 PM

25. Makes 100% sense to me.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #25)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:32 PM

63. Agreed, but w/one caveat ...

If you're going to risk something like this, you wouldn't try it unless you thought that it was going to be the difference maker. I think there'd have been 'triggers' ... signs like being ahead by X% in Virginia, Pennsylvania, etc. It was probably all set to be switched on if certain conditions were being met, perhaps in an automated fashion. And then ... they weren't met, so the hack was never 'turned on'.

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Response to brett_jv (Reply #63)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:28 PM

82. Sounds plausible. nt

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:42 PM

31. Works for me

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:44 PM

32. Husted has

 

no damn conscience. People like him....they think they are above the law. They believe they will never see the inside of a jail. You know the type! No, Husted wouldn't get scared. No way.

This was going to be his ticket into NATIONAL POLITICS. I know how these guys operate. I've worked w/ them. They believe their shit does not smell....and that they will never be caught!

I'm staying with Anonymous....plus it's Good over Evil. I like that.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:49 PM

36. I think that is exactly what happened.

Last edited Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:25 PM - Edit history (2)

The fixers lost their nerve and left ol' KKKarl holding the bag and blowing gaskets.

ETA: It's one thing to knock over the casino eight years ago (which KKKarl did with the connivance of Ken Blackwell) and that takes guts, but it really takes brass balls to try and knock over the same casino a second time. Whatever Rover offered wasn't enough to convince Husted and Kasich to risk some heavy prison time given the microscope that was on Ohio this time around. They chickened out to save their own skins.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:59 PM

43. I think you're right, or close, and should start writing the screenplay

to ensure your fortune before somebody else does...
you described it so well.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:29 PM

61. I'm wondering if Karl is going to meet with an "accident".

All those big money donors who thought that they were buying a majority and the White House are major league pissed. And who are they most pissed at? The guy who said he could do it.

I think if I were Karl, I'd be sitting with a good view of the doors and checking under the car every time before I started it up. And I wouldn't be flying in small planes.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:52 PM

103. If that's the case, Husted should watch his back

Just sayin'

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:53 PM

105. or maybe they just sucked

Equally plausible is that they tried and simply failed to hack the machines "correctly".

It's not like their side attracts the best and brightest

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:13 PM

11. I absolutely loved the part when Megan Kelly got up from her seat and walked

into the area where the faux noise "bean counters" had called Ohio for the POTUS. that was priceless......that was during the first segment that ham man was blowing his gasket. Absolutely loved it. Did anyone else see that??

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Response to a kennedy (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:22 PM

18. I actually unblocked faux for the first time and watched it happen!

It was creepy over there. I felt sick.

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Response to louis-t (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:28 PM

21. I missed it live because I had it blocked, too!

My idiot brother was staying with us for a few days, and I didn't want to fight over Fox "News" so I removed it from the menu.

Took a few minutes to figure out how to unblock it once DU alerted me that there was some great stuff on that channel Tuesday night, and I missed it.

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Response to Patiod (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:36 AM

169. I missed it too (no TV) but the videos

of both canned-ham-with-legs Rove's meltdown and Megyn Kelly's hall stalking are both here on DU:

KKKarl: http://www.democraticunderground.com/101776621

Meggie:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101776710


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Response to beac (Reply #169)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:21 AM

173. Thanks - those images never get old!

As we watched the coverage after a LONG day at the polls, my SO asked what wine I wanted to drink.

I said "whatever goes best with the bitterness of Republican tears".

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Response to beac (Reply #169)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:19 PM

230. the video in the first link

Has been taken off youtube.

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Response to louis-t (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:30 PM

85. Watched his meldown live also...

It was like the sting artist got stung.

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Response to a kennedy (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:45 PM

33. I've watched it

 

a couple of times on YouTube. It was great!!!

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Response to a kennedy (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:27 PM

59. that was a bizarre scene - she said "when we rehearsed this" as she was walking down the hall

WTF did that mean - the whole shtick was scripted? Although she did have the best line, "Is that real math or math you do to make yourself feel better?"

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Response to central scrutinizer (Reply #59)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:26 PM

78. Rehearsal

 

I caught her stating that they had rehearsed it to and I immediately thought, YOU REHEARSED THIS SPONTANEOUS QUESTIONING OF ROVES NUMBERS??????? WTF?

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Response to johnq45 (Reply #78)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:55 PM

111. Yeah, that was really strange

That's part of why I think Rove's whole meltdown was staged, and that he in fact did not actually freak out.

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Response to a kennedy (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:25 AM

157. Yes, I saw it! Did you also see...

The scene at the Fox News desk with a dark-haired guy who said he was going to find Karl Rove and ask him about the Ohio numbers? The camera was only on this dark haired guy. Just as he said that he would find Rove, the camera panned out and Rove had been sitting right next to him the entire time!!!


It was very bizarre. My husband said, "Did you just see that???" We hit rewind, watched it again and laughed our asses off.

The entire Fox staff was in shreds.

Anyone else see that??

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Response to a kennedy (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:48 AM

164. I Know. She walks down there to basically ask, "You know that extremely important decision you just

announced about the presidential election? Yeah, I was just wondering, did you really mean to say what you said?"

What a stupid fucking question.

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:13 PM

12. I've been saying for some time I thought they had a "fix" in for Ohio. Something went wrong.

Kerry was there the day before and the Dems didn't seem too worried. I believe they either "unfixed" the software that communicates to the SOS office or some Dem precincts didn't report until late. If they don't report until later, the GOP operatives don't know how much they have to add to their totals to have Romney "win". I believe that is what was throwing Karl off. He was certain the fix was going to work and when it didn't, what could he do? If they actually had a recount, it would show that they lost.

Remember that Ohio instituted a program that allowed the precinct totals to be transmitted electronically. So hopefully Dems have found a way to stop any changes being made during the sending of those totals.

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Response to OregonBlue (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:52 PM

38. My understanding

 

was that this 'electronic transmission' allows for Hacking. As it is transmitted, it can be interfered with.

If I know that, certainly Anonymous did and they stood by waiting. I like that. Just fucking with KKKarl's head.

And don't forget the dude who was going to testify about the '04 Theft in OH ended up dead a few weeks before he could testify. Was his name Michael Connell? Damn, my memory. He was a super software geek who did 'bad stuff' in '04....and he had a conscience.

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Response to femrap (Reply #38)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:02 PM

44. Maybe the work of Anonymous should be spoken of in whispers or not at all

Half-joking but if Anonymous can un-hack, in order for Romney
to be defeated, they would also be capable of hacking, on behalf of
the winner -- and I don't even want to think thoughts like that.

This election was a mandate from the voters, from Mother Nature,
from all our (sane) ancestors, from the almighty Dog, and all
the minor dogs and demons who believe in hope, and I do
believe in fact that even Higgs-Boson voted in the multitudes,
or en masse, something like that.

This is a cosmic decisive moment in human history (my
opinion).

Thank you, Life Itself!!!!!

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Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #44)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:08 PM

49. OK...I'll

 

just whisper. Want me to delete the Anonymous posts? No big deal. I simply think they righted a wrong. That's it.

I believe it's a cosmic decisive moment in human history as well....but I believe I have to include the almighty Cat as well!

Plus the paradigm is to shift very soon.

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Response to femrap (Reply #49)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:23 PM

57. dang, forgive me Almighty Cat.. how could I do that, I'm ashamed as all my cats are now giving me

evil eye for the oversight. They will not re-elect me
as their slave, in other words.

Don't get me wrong I love that Anonymous exists
and I wish them all the goodness integrity and wisdom
in the world, not to mention brilliance and geekiness.

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:17 PM

14. And it did not matter. Because Obama won IA, CO, NV, WI, and NH.

The midwest plus NH meant Obama won anyway. Rove was out of options no matter what. Add on FL and VA and any messing around in OH really, really did not matter.

Rove is disgusting but he was screwed no matter what he did.

Did Romney think he was going to win one of those states? Obama won without having to win OH, VA, FL, or NC.

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Response to Jennicut (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:51 PM

37. There were Repukes saying the Willard would win Minnesota.

Minnesota! He had as much chance of winning Minnesota as I do of flapping my arms and flying to the freaking moon.

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Response to Jennicut (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:55 PM

42. True....

 

but it would be very cool if the OH Election were investigated and KKKarl ended up in Jail!!!!

Oh, what a deliriously happy thought!

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Response to femrap (Reply #42)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:33 PM

89. +1 nt

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:18 PM

15. I just think that whatever was planned with Ohio ended up being moot--and the Ohio SoS

wasn't going to do something illegal when it was pointless to do so.

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:25 PM

19. It was a staged and planned walkback of his previous optimism.

His calls for a Romney win were always bullshit, intended to motivate the base.

Sometime on election day, he and Fox News hatched a plan where he would show outrage and disbelief when Ohio was called, and then they'd have the dramatic trip back to interview the number-cruncher guys.

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Response to JBoy (Reply #19)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:41 PM

30. This ^^

Didn't Kelly say as she was walking back to the control center that she had rehearsed that walk earlier in the day?

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Response to Beowulf (Reply #30)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:12 PM

154. That is not what she meant

It was obvious Rove's freakout was real.

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Response to Beowulf (Reply #30)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:42 AM

159. That us what she said. I Tivoed it...

...she specifically said, "when we did this in rehearsals, I lost sound right about here (she referred to a specific location in the hall) and that is what is starting to happen now..." Then she continued walking and talking as she made her way into the numbers room.

I think she was more concerned, and swept up in the possibility that there could be technical difficulties. It made her nervous. I think she accidentally revealed that they had rehearsed this whole walk back through the hallways and into the number cruncher room.

So yes, I think it is very bizarre that they were acting bewildered about so much unanticipated uncertainty and confusion--when they had planned and REHEARSED for the confusion by doing a dry run earlier in the day!!

Yeah. That's screwy!

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Response to JBoy (Reply #19)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:57 PM

112. I agree

No need for tinfoil... Turd Blossom knew all along they were sunk and staged a bit of theater

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:41 PM

29. The best forensic computer scientists come from blue states

I'm just saying

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:52 PM

39. I do believe that Romney was convinced that they had suppressed enough of the vote to "win."

That's why Romney's team disregarded all the polls showing that Obama was ahead. Their plan was to suppress/change enough of the Democratic vote to swing the election. They failed, but the Republicans will try again. They've got a lot of Republican governors and state legislators in their camp now.

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:53 PM

40. Isn't there a category beyond tin foil?

Cuz this goes there.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #40)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:40 AM

158. Yeah. Treason.

Who could think someone would loot an S&L, use the proceeds to buy guns, use the guns to buy drugs, use the drugs to buy politicians, newsmen and elections, and then see all the blame pinned on the president? Yet, that is what Poppy Bush and his crew managed during Iran-Contra. Then, Bush forgave the traitors before there were any trials to implicate his own hidden role in high treason. That'd be beyond tinfoil.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #158)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:36 AM

179. Truth is stranger than fiction

Don't you think?

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:53 PM

41. nope. There was a lawsuit in Ohio. A judge was watching. The Ohio election website went off the air

right as Rove said Romney can still take Ohio. that is exactly what happened in 2004 in Ohio. In 2004 when ti came back online it gave Bush the votes.

this time it gave Obama the votes. There was a great possibility of an investigation of the Ohio software if Romney's numbers went up. Several election protection advocates spoke in DC at a press conference on tuesday at 12Pm about the lawsuit, and the software.

check on bradblog for more information.

Several interesting thing happened i Ohio on election night.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #41)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:03 PM

45. I remember that

 

back in '04. One had to see it to believe it. But it was earth-shaking to me. I knew there was something wrong.

I still say Anonymous got in there and corrected the totals to be TRUE AND CORRECT.

It's my theory and I'm sticking to it.

If one did not go through '04 up close and personal, you don't realize what KKKarl and his geeks did. And it's no damn conspiracy. I don't need a tin foil hat. There is EVIL in this world and KKKarl is it...and now he gets his KARMA smacked up the side of his disgustingly fat and mottled face.

KKKarl went to OH again because it's the state that traditionally calls the winner. And Husted would most definitely go along with him. Husted is a slimy piece of excrement.

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Response to femrap (Reply #45)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:17 PM

53. but Husted had a judge watching him becuase Bob Fitrakis filed a lawsuit on monday morning.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #53)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:30 PM

62. That also plays in to my "chickened out" scenario.

Husted had been read the riot act by a federal judge once before this campaign season. He's damned lucky he wasn't found in contempt of court.

This would have been a situation like Watergate, where US District Court Judge John Sirica smelled a rat and kept asking questions. Eventually the small fry cracked and started to talk, and the road led straight to Tricky Dick. You don't stiff a federal judge without piquing his or her curiosity and a good judge can sniff out this kind of crapola from a long distance.

Whatever Rover offered Huston and Kasich wasn't enough to make them take that risk.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #62)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:39 PM

67. I believe what you describe is probably exactly what happened.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #62)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:36 PM

93. +1 nt

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #62)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:08 PM

119. I jsut posted a new OP with mark Crispin's analysis and Victoria Collier's of election night in Ohio

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #62)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:27 PM

128. Wow, I just had a little frisson at your malapropism. I believe you meant "Husted" and not

 

"Huston." But then I remembered that Tom Huston was one of the original Dirty Tricksters back in the Watergate era. Weirdly enough, Rove cut his political teeth as one of Donald Segretti's Dirty Tricksters. The Watergate Prosecutor actually opened an investigation into Rove but it died stillborn when Nixon resigned, IIRC.

Still shivering over the Huston\Husted switch

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huston_Plan

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #128)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:36 PM

129. I am reading Sy Hersh's book about

Nixon and Kissinger's first-term foreign policy and read the chapter about the Plumbers while I was standing in line on election day. Huston's name was prominently mentioned therein. And I am old enough to have been a Watergate junkie back in the day. Calling Dr. Freud!!

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #128)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:27 PM

226. And "Segretti" means "secrets" in Italian.

How very appropriate!!!!

Just a bit of trivia from someone who LOVES Romance languages, after taking Spanish and Latin in school.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #53)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:29 PM

134. I read that

 

Bob's efforts were dismissed.

The 39 (or whatever number it turned out to be) patches were already on the software.

Then I heard he was filing a 'restraining order' Monday night.

I'll have to check his website.

But it all worked out....OH went to Ohio.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #41)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:11 PM

51. Do you have a link to that specific story robinlynne?

Thanks in advance if you do. I'm on his webstie now and am not finding specifics. Thanks!

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Response to Emit (Reply #51)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:18 PM

54. will find you a better link, to mark Crispin miller. give me a minute.

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Response to Emit (Reply #51)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:20 PM

55. here you go:

Other recipients:
:: Here's the piece again, with all of the supporting sources embedded in the text. You can also access this piece online: http://wp.me/pkFiL-8YS ::

Late last night, after Obama took Ohio, Karl Rove was on Fox News, doggedly refusing to concede. He insisted that Ohio was still in play, as Romney was going to win in Hamilton County—where the votes were "counted" on machines made and maintained by Hart InterCivic, a company effectively controlled by Romney's family. (The same machines were also used in Williams County.)

So it's not surprising that the GOP's Lord Voldemort foresaw an "upset victory" in that county. It is surprising that he said it on Fox News, and when the game was obviously lost, so that a sudden Romney "victory" in Ohio would have seemed especially suspicious—even in the eyes of Rove's old allies on Fox News (or those not in the loop).

To those of us with vivid memories of Election Nights 2000 and 2004, it was a creepy moment—and things got even creepier when Brad Friedman reported that the website of the Ohio SoS had suddenly done down, which had also happened at that very hour eight years before; and when it had come back on, Kerry, who had been ahead, was now behind. And—horribly—the rest was history.

But that didn't happen this time, as Rove had obviously lost control—of himself (his recklessness in mouthing off like that was staggering), and, infinitely more important, of his well-oiled, fabulously subsidized election-theft machine. For all his plans, and all the preparations made by Ohio SoS Jon Husted (among others), Rove was clearly overruled on this Election Day, as cooler heads prevailed.

The fact is that, this time, yet another late-night "upset victory" would have been too risky—for the US press had finally done its job, enough to make a lot of people conscious of what's happened to our voting system, and, therefore,of what could happen to let Romney "win."

The honor roll includes, among many others, Harper's (for publishing Victoria Collier's brilliant overview), the Atlantic, Esquire, the Christian Science Monitor, Forbes (which came out with a killer piece about Ohio's voting system early on Election Day), Huffington Post, and even DailyKos (which had been fervently denialist since 2004).

This time, such organs, and others, played up news that most of them would once have buried or ignored—especially the news of what was happening in Ohio, broken by Gerry Bello and Bob Fitrakis in the Columbus Free Press, and carried even by such unlikely outlets as Fox 19 in Cincinnati.

In short, our work online was finally resonating through the mainstream press—not the New York Times or CNN, of course, but others numerous and respectable enough to give some traction to the questions we've been raising for so many years. Thus the old smear of "conspiracy theory" finally sounded not like common sense but like the mere ad hominem evasion that it's really always been; and so those few who used that smear this time were shot to pieces for it.

When NBC's Chuck Todd compared concerns about e-voting to "birther garbage," Brad Friedman cleaned his clock, with a devastating catalogue of proven instances of fraud that didn't just expose the ignorance of NBC's so-called "elections expert," but which can now be used by anyone who wants to fight for fair elections.

And, as usual, that tired old slur came not just from the corporate media but, even louder, from the left—ThinkProgress and Alternet both coming out with marvelously stupid pieces whose effect, potentially, is so destructive that Karl Rove himself might just as well have written them. (In its error-riddled item calling the Hart InterCivic story "FALSE," Snopes.com used Alternet as a source.) And yet the dozens of smart, angry comments posted in response to those outrageous screeds make clear that leftist pundits can no longer get away with laughing off this all-important fight for real elections in America.

It's time to put an end to such complacent jeering; because people need to know—and want to know—what's happened here, and what they can do about it. That growing public interest is the reason why our work has finally broken through, with Brad, Victoria, Bob, Gerry and Harvey Wasserman, Jonathan Simon, Sally Castleman, Richard Charnin, Michael Collins, Greg Palast, Bev Harris, John Ennis, Sheila Parks, Paul Lehto, Marta Steele and so many others (and please do forgive me if I didn't name you here—I'm really tired!) finally seeing, if not their names in lights, their vital findings resonating through the public sphere. In my own case, that broad public interest recently came home to me when my half-hour interview with Heather Wokusch on MNN (NYC's public access channel) instantly went viral up on YouTube, getting over 80,000 hits in just four days.

And it's because our work has reached so many people that it's not just we ourselves who spread the word, but countless others who aren't activists. As Rove and his confederates mulled their options yesterday, who knows how much they fretted over that explosive bit of video posted by "centralpavoter," showing that an ES&S iVotronic e-voting machine had repeatedly flipped his Obama vote to Romney? (The Raleigh Telegram reported that the same thing was happening on machines in North Carolina.) The fact that it went viral—vividly disproving the GOP's propaganda claimsthat Democrats were somehow flipping Romney votes—had to help decide them not to rip off this election after all.

So while this day after is a thrilling time for Democrats, it is a moment of rare triumph for those fighting for legitimate elections in America. We're feeling this elation not because Barack Obama won, but because we've helped prevent the right from pulling off another "win" despite the will of the electorate. And—despite that Democratic sweep—we will keep up this fight to realize American democracy itself, which must be saved not only from Karl Rove, the Kochs and Sheldon Adelson, but from the long joint grip of both the parties, and the money flooding through them.

MCM

*****


From Victoria Collier:

THANK YOU TO THE ELECTION INTEGRITY MOVEMENT!

The awareness of potential GOP vote rigging was unprecedented leading up to the 2012 November election, and it made a difference. Many within the election integrity movement – Progressives, Libertarians and even Republicans – did not believe that Mitt Romney could win in honest elections.

Election Day 2012 did see break-downs of electronic voting machines all across the country, enormous lines in African-American districts, and we will probably end up tallying millions of likely-Democratic votes lost in voter roll purges, discarded ballots, and other votes lost to GOP robo-calling and other dirty tricks.

Which means that, as in 2008, it's likely that Democratic wins are much larger than officially recorded.

But the alarms had been sounded presidential vote-rigging was unprecedented and MILLIONS of eyes were on Ohio and Florida.

Though we still have a task in front of us – instituting election reform; clean elections, the end of corporate campaign financing, and transparent vote counting – we must count this election in many ways as a victory for our movement.

--
Victoria Collier
Editor: VoteScam.org


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Response to robinlynne (Reply #55)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:28 PM

60. Thank you so much!

checking it out now

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #55)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:33 PM

64. A GREAT post, robin!

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #64)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:37 PM

65. This is from Mark Crispin Miller, an Election Protection advocate. one of the best.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #55)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:44 PM

98. +1000 nt

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #55)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:15 PM

124. WOW! Thank you so much

K&R

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #55)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:26 PM

127. I believe that word was passed to other SOS about the machines. When I went to vote in rural

Arkansas. We have the same type machine as was in the video. The lady operating the voting machine after unplugging the supervisor module said " Please pay attention to the button you press. It will light up. It it doesn't call for me immediately".

I think that was the hack to randomly change the Obama button because most people do not look at it once it is pressed.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #55)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:58 PM

153. here you go:

Thanks for the education and information. I've taken the time to read the posts from old #1. One item you mentioned is the amount of sunlight that was placed on the election to include the Judge. The sunlight and suit probably did the trick. But, I'm skeptical about anything. With your explanation applied to timeline coupled with actions probably caught Rove with his hand in the cookie jar and let it go. As in any good mystery, Rove my not have told the Romney Campaign. Except the Orca geeks/gurus. Just read an article about the Romney campaign Orca. But, their Orca projected winning results. Do you think ? ? ? ?

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Response to leanforward (Reply #153)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:34 AM

162. They projected winning results because they own the voting machines. As Bush did, to steal an

election, you create the idea that the election is going to be very close. Do you remember how the Dem Party handed 2004 to Bush without counting the votes?
Because the "too close to call' was implanted. same thing this time.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #55)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:09 AM

170. Interesting remarks about "leftist pundits"; I remember when Jerry Rubin became a stockbroker.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #55)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:46 PM

197. In 2004, I recall the time as being around 11 p.m. I remember going downtown pissed as hell at

about that hour and the next day I discovered DU, got tangled up in all the name that shall not be mentioned here crap. Haven't given up since!

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #55)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:22 PM

224. Let's not forget what happened to Mike Connell.

Thank you for the link to the Mark Crispin Miller article. I've read his book Fooled Again and I agree that he's one of the best.

Through the MCM link, I found this earlier article from the Free Press by Bob Fitrakis: It begins:

A new filing in the King Lincoln Bronzeville v. Blackwell case includes a copy of the Ohio Secretary of State election production system configuration that was in use in Ohio's 2004 presidential election when there was a sudden and unexpected shift in votes for George W. Bush.

The filing also includes the revealing deposition of the late Michael Connell. Connell served as the IT guru for the Bush family and Karl Rove. Connell ran the private IT firm GovTech that created the controversial system that transferred Ohio's vote count late on election night 2004 to a partisan Republican server site in Chattanooga, Tennessee owned by SmarTech. That is when the vote shift happened, not predicted by the exit polls, that led to Bush's unexpected victory. Connell died a month and a half after giving this deposition in a suspicious small plane crash. (my emphasis)


http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2011/4239

My point, obviously, is that it may not only have been fear of 10 years or so in the slammer that caused Rove's would-be hackers to lose their nerve at the last minute.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #41)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:37 PM

94. There's an article around here about how angry the federal judge was with Husted's people on Friday.

I'll see if I can find it. The judge was furious with them for making changes at 7 pm on the Friday before the election. They knew they were being watched in Ohio.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #94)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:24 PM

126. When a federal judge has you under his or her

microscope, as was the case in Ohio before the election (and that is absolutely crucial here) there is much less wiggle room. The judge's suspicions were already on hair-trigger alert because of Husted's earlier shenanigans.

So Husted (and maybe Kasich) had two options: go through with the fix that had been pre-arranged with Rove, in which case the judge would start asking some very difficult questions which, when the truth inevitably came out, would lead to the very real possibility of extended time in the federal slammer for a lot of Ohio Republicans; or mind their ps and qs and fk over KKKarl, which would have the added advantage of keeping them out of the Big House. Nobody is gonna go to heavy-duty prison just to save Karl Rove's doughy ass. Nobody. Not even a couple of shitweasels like Kasich and Husted. There is no honor among thieves.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #126)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:52 PM

137. who is Kasich?

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #137)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:04 PM

141. OH governor. nt

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #141)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:07 PM

144. got it.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #126)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:38 PM

146. Husted is sickening. Here's the link I mentioned upthread:

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Response to yardwork (Reply #146)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:00 PM

149. Wow. Federal judges do not dress down

attorneys like that in court just any old day. Judge Marbley sounds like he is fast approaching what I call the Popeye Point - "I've had all I can stands and I can't stands no more!" "Contempt of court" is a phrase that comes to mind.

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:03 PM

46. Tagg Rmoney's company owns the OH voting machines. I guarantee you they tried to rig them.

It apparently failed, or turnout was so high that the rig was inadequate.

They were "shellshocked" because they were given a guaranteed win in OH and it failed (JMHO).

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #46)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:39 PM

66. This is my theory "turnout was so high that the rig was inadequate"

I posted something along those lines in another thread but I didn't word it very well. I think the massive turnout foiled Rove's plans.

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Response to Carni (Reply #66)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:00 PM

69. Agree. Plus, the exit pollsters were watching like hawks this time.

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Reply #69)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:10 PM

121. Yes!

Thank God they were this time around!

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Response to Carni (Reply #66)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:47 PM

102. That was 2008. this time it was a judge's, and public, awareness.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #46)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:02 PM

116. THIS is what I think, as well.

Also, JMHO.

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:20 PM

56. No, I think they were just arrogant, especially Romney.

Even if they won Ohio, they still lost.

is right.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #56)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:53 PM

148. I agree, just said the same

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:06 PM

70. Exactly! I was convinced they were about to alter the vote count . . . But the Ohio SOS abruptly

went home for he night . . . My bet is that he already knew that he was under scrutiny by the AG office for voting rights abuse and he wasn't going to be party to anything further that Rove wanted him to do . . . Same in FL - MSNBC Todd kept saying there were some panhandle counties that hadn't reported . . . He could not figure out why . . . But he was convinced that the Miami Dade numbers would easily surpass anything from the last Republican counties. Suddenly Miami Dade said they would not complete the count that night. I think that the Obama people said to stop the count until all of the Republic counties report - because they were sure that the Repugs were going to mess with the numbers depending on what MiamiDade reported!

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Response to Liberal In Red State (Reply #70)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:44 PM

99. That sounds very plausible

I was wondering why Florida stopped counting and this explanation makes a lot of sense.

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Response to Liberal In Red State (Reply #70)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:52 PM

104. not by the AG. By a judge because of Bob Fitrakis'' lawsuit. Holder did NOTHING. election protection

advocates went public in DC on Tuesday at noon. It is their work , in my opinion, that stopped that particular theft.
not the Attorney general. He still has not even found the fraud in Florida he was supposedly investigating. Citizens found it.
credit where credit is due. please.

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:09 PM

72. Even with Ohio, Romney loses.

In the end, Ohio really didn't matter.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #72)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:21 PM

125. 80% of American votes are counted by private corporations, just as they are in Ohio.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #125)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:01 PM

140. Oooookay, but what does that have to do with Obama winning Ohio?

As I stated above, even if the fix was in and Ohio was called for Romney, he still loses the election.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #140)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:06 PM

143. the fix is possible all over the country right now. same as i Ohio. the same companies who "fixed' o

also fix the other 50 states. getting out the vote ensures ONE election. Not the future of democracy.

Things are not okay because we won this specific election. Things are ok for this specific election.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #143)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:13 PM

145. Not possible. They would need to 'fix' every swing state, and any state that was even close.

Stealing an election isn't easy if you have to steal ALL of it.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #145)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:41 AM

163. Private republican owned companies count 80% of American votes. Think about that for a minute.

Of course they can. Of course it is easy. they own the software. It is privately owned. by the right. It is not owned by the American public. or even operated by the American public or public officials. It is private.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #143)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:17 PM

155. They could not have "fixed" California - our SoS got rid of the bad voting machines

And I believe Oregon votes by mail with ballots, which can be hand counted.

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Response to Merlot (Reply #155)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:29 AM

161. not quite. the bad voting amchine company scans and counts the votes here in Claifornia. the same

exact same bad voting machine company. Diebold.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #161)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:45 PM

198. true, but we don't have the touch screens

I know LA county uses Inkadots, I thought the rest of CA does too. At least these are paper ballots.

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Response to Merlot (Reply #198)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:27 AM

201. not ours. No candidate's names are written on our ballots. just numbers.

WE are the largest county in the country, with more than 4500 precincts. Each number men as a different thing in each precinct. The computer scanner with the diebold program (just like yours) determines what each number means. #3 in my precinct might be Obama. in the next precinct over #3 means Romney.
I went and watched the count more than once. An "header card" is placed in front of th ballots. We don't know what it says. but it has computer code on it which tells the scanner who the vote for #3 is for.
There is NO way to verify.

It is the sam all over California. Yes we have paper ballots. That is MUCH better than not having paper ballots. But have you ever tried to get the paper ballots to recount? for any reason?

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:12 PM

73. Here's my theory

the tabulator was on the results as they were sent to SOS. For this reason, Dem counties held their votes back until the R counties were in (or maybe they just got lucky and weren't ready to send them in yet). (note: aren't these the tabulators that were shown to be shaving votes off yesterdays count?)

The problem here is that while Rove et al were expecting the votes to be shaved off in the tabulator and votes added to the Romney counties, hence the freak out and the failure to write a concession speech. they also thought that it would be easier to steal because their internal polling had it at 50/50 when in reality it was Obama's already.

(Edited ^ to add in bit about adding to the red counties, which I left out of my thought)

But with the Dem counties out till way after the red counties, the only thing they could hope for was to shave those votes off but they couldn't do it by a wide enough margin and the folks reporting before those votes were turned in already had the MATH done and knew what to expect.

Hysterical fail, actually. The only question is did the Dem counties hold back their numbers on purpose to thwart this,or was it accidental.

God I love the smell of JUSTICE an GOP FAIL.

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Response to CitizenPatriot (Reply #73)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:02 AM

215. Cuyahoga is a big county. I believe it always comes in last.

It also had issues with voter scanners where they were not working properly in some precincts. But even when everything works properly, Cuyahoga always comes in last.

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:27 PM

81. Speaking of unhacked

Does anyone wonder if the last-minute software update in OH was an un-hack? With the Feds eyeballing Husted maybe he got cold feet. Just wondering since the update went on largely Democrat area machines (from the report). Who knows, but it would make a cool story.

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Response to donqpublic (Reply #81)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:43 PM

96. If that were the case Rove would have known about it. What ever it was Rove sure looked shocked.

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Response to yourout (Reply #96)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:53 PM

106. iF you recall, Rove said he was on the phone with Husted!

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #106)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:55 PM

109. That is another reason I think someone undid the Hack. It's actually fricking brilliant if they did.

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Response to yourout (Reply #109)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:58 PM

113. no. Read post# 97. It explains exactly what really happened. It is important for people to be aware

of this and to understand what happened. This was a repeat of 2004, with a different outcome because a judge was watching Ohio!

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:28 PM

83. Husted went home early ...

election night, made a statement that there would be no more statements, and was out of there. Didn't even wait for the state to be called.

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Response to dawnie51 (Reply #83)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:43 PM

95. He was probably escaping Rove's thugs.

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:44 PM

97. They got cold feet.

 

If you look at the timeline of Jon Husted's vote counting website going down and Rove's meltdown they coincide with each other. Obama's lead had decreased to only 900 votes before the website went down, half hour later when it comes back up Obama is up 70,000 votes. The fix was in but Husted got cold feet, I say they reversed the fix during the site outage.

-Notice how Obama went from a 20,000+ lead to only 900 votes in no time and then Rove starts 'telling' us what 'can' happen on que.
-Notice how Rove was in constant communication with Jon Husted...why??...no reason to be.
-The network then decides to call Ohio, at the same time Husted's website goes offline, then comes back up just over half an hour later with almost 70,000 votes added back to Obama's total.

Obama should of won Ohio by 3-5% according to the polls, instead he won by 1.9%. If you add the sudden vote decrease back in it comes to ~3%. Even Romney's internal polls had Obama up by 5% in Ohio. The polls had Obama leading the other swing states by a lot less than Ohio yet he won those by 4-5%. It just doesn't add up.

There are screen shots and time stamps of Husted's site going down which are priceless. It doesn't take much research to see what Rove and Husted were up to, just like in '04. Top level programmers suspect a vote flipping program that starts switching cast votes at a pre determined midpoint, because having them switch early or late would be obvious. They suspect a gradual intersecting line graph model that starts taking from one candidate and giving to another in a gradual manner until the vote count flips. Keep pressure on the DOJ to investigate Husted, he is a travesty to our entire democratic voting system.

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Response to FamilyMan (Reply #97)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:55 PM

110. exactly!!!! you get it.

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Response to FamilyMan (Reply #97)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:52 PM

136. They got cold feet.

Thank you for the above analysis. Heads up. Surely, there is someone else looking into what happened in that time period. I don't watch Faux very much, but we just happened to switch and watched that strange happening. And the Stats guys wouldn't budge. The producers pulled the call for a bit. That whole episode smacks of collusion. At risk of being offensive, I like to recommend an old western movie starring Gary Cooper, The Hanging Tree. Only there's no gold certificate blowing away to attract the mob. Keep in mind that Rove was on the periphery of Bush-Cheney-Iraq. Soldiers, sailors, marines, & airmen died and he's pulling this stunt. He needs a lot of time at Gitmo for fresh air.

Rant over.

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Response to FamilyMan (Reply #97)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:29 AM

166. Everyone read post #97!!! Brilliant. n/m

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Response to FamilyMan (Reply #97)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:42 PM

186. Very good. n/t

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Response to FamilyMan (Reply #97)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:58 AM

213. Hustled realized the margin was too big

He would be found out and gone to jail

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:46 PM

100. Bradblog reported this yesterday...and Fatarkis (sp?) will prosecute re: the patches

said the Cayuhoga elections office vote counting server went down twice, while Rove was in meltdown....suspicious coincidence.....

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Response to amborin (Reply #100)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:55 PM

108. the entire state election server went down, I believe. Exactly as it happened in 2004.

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:47 PM

101. What an entertaining thread....

Thanks to all for the great information.....

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:06 PM

117. I wouldn't put anything past them but am so glad that this part is over

now if only we could get out the vote for the mid terms---thats something we need to work on the lack of voters during the midterms. Make the Congress do their damn job.

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Response to Shilo (Reply #117)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:47 PM

135. It is not over...

 

Until Jon Husted is removed from office. The machines/software are privately contracted to openly Republican companies. Husted gave the voting software contract to the same group as '04. And due to laws ONLY the private software company holds rights to the results, they don't have to show anyone anything. Write every official you can to have a crack IT team investigate Jon Husted. Until then he is rotting the roots of our democracy.

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Response to FamilyMan (Reply #135)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:56 PM

138. and that is just Ohio. Private corporations count our votes here in blue states as well. And they t

train election officials. They actually have a school to train election officials. Which is where the testers come from who do the testing for the federal government. And the EAC, in charge of all the testers has 2 bush appointees, and two empty chairs in charge.

The whole election oversight system we have currently was put in place by George W Bush....

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:10 PM

122. link to a thread with Mark Crispin Miller's analysis of Ohio 2012, and what happened

with links to supporting stories

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1091627

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:04 PM

142. Inspired by that look on his face, which was so, "Remote control ... not ... working!"

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:52 PM

147. Occam's Razor

they were just too arrogant and too blinded by their own hubris to realize they never had a chance

they thought they had it in the bag b/c they simply thought they had most Americans fooled

and they were way, way wrong

guess I'm not a very good conspiracy theorist they make for great stories, but reality is generally a lot more mundane

ergo, they're mostly just asshats


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Response to smackd (Reply #147)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:39 PM

151. +1

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:37 PM

150. This is ad-hoc BS.

The likelihood of any large scale hacking of voting machines is diminishing rapidly. This is the second presidential election where we have won Ohio, and there are still no whistle blowers, dirty code, or evidences pointing to conspiracies to hack voting machines. There are statistical anomalies from 2004. That is a pretty bad case for establishing large conspiracies to steal elections.

Rmoney's lack of a concession speech is easily explained by overconfidence; this same explanation also covers Rove's apparent shock at Ohio being called for Obama, and his subsequent attempts to cast doubt on that outcome.

Your post is a poor attempt at protecting a conspiracy theory from reality by inventing more stories you don't have any evidence to confirm.

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Response to D23MIURG23 (Reply #150)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:05 AM

165. heh

Your post is a poor attempt at protecting a conspiracy to steal elections.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #165)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:56 PM

189. Yup, thats right.

I'm protecting Karl Rove's vote stealing conspiracy, just like I protect the perpetrators of the moon landing conspiracy, and the people in the federal government who secretly set up 9/11.



Or maybe I'm just trying to protect DU from looking like its full of nutty Alex Jones fans. If you want to look like a moron though, don't let me stand in your way.

On a serious note, you should consider googling "burden of proof" and "null hypothesis".

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Response to D23MIURG23 (Reply #150)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:11 PM

187. I think it works without needing to be literally true


I don't know whether the OP is positing an actual vote-hacking accusation or not. I know that Republicans, as a whole, have done a million other incredibly blatant things to try to cheat elections. Ask anyone who stood in line for 9 hours to vote because Republican governors slashed early voting.

Ohio, vote-hacking or not, has been the worst example of this. So, Republicans DID try to steal Ohio. They tried to steal it by going to court to fight for cutting voting hours ONLY in Democratic districts.

Be that as it may, Rove, melting down and humiliating himself on Fox acted like a man who thought he knew something everyone else did not.

Maybe that's just his personality. His hubris. His marketing "brand."

Or maybe he really thought the Republican machine had pulled something off, legal or illegal or somewhere in between, that should have guaranteed them Ohio.

If he was really just "crunching the numbers" as he claimed to be doing, there was no reason to question the call.

He thought he knew something. Doesn't have to have been vote hacking. Doesn't have to have been voter suppression. But his disbelief was palpable. His panic was real. He genuinely thought things COULD NOT be going the way they went.

Occam's Razor says he just miscalculated. But I think people can be forgiven if they don't find "Karl Rove" and "simplest possible explanation" go together well.

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #187)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:23 PM

191. I'm specifically interested in the vote hacking accusation, because it is unsubstantiated.

I know that there have been voter suppression attempts involving dumping registrations and putting up barriers to voting. Those are documented.

You know what else is documented? Right wing pundits predicting a Romney landslide. That has been happening all election cycle, and it is likely that this is why Rove and Rmoney were surprised. They drank their own kool aid.

If we want to reform elections, we should work on the problems that are demonstrated, like governors trying to make all the democratic counties vote on a single machine, or purging their voter rolls of the people living in Miami. We shouldn't waste our credibility promoting ideas that are probably not literally true.

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:47 PM

152. "You mad, bro? We told you we were coming."



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Response to yourout (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:56 AM

168. That's crazy talk

 

Romney could have won Ohio, Virginia, and Florida and he would have STILL lost.

Nobody hacked anything and it's time to stop promoting that stupid conspiracy theory.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #168)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:35 AM

177. because that never happened before

riiiiiiiiight

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Response to musette_sf (Reply #177)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:36 AM

178. Yes, because it never happened before

 

All the batshit crazy conspiracy theories in the world are not going to change the fact that NOBODY has EVER hacked the vote.

And trying to promote the idea that it has and will happen is nothing more than idiocy on the same level as birtherism.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #178)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:46 AM

181. that random leap of blatant false equivalency

has just said more about you than all of your naysaying on this topic

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Response to musette_sf (Reply #181)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:51 AM

183. And as is always the case for the conspiracy theorists

 

they claim false equivalency when compared to an another conspiracy theorist.



Nobody hacked the vote in 2004.

Nobody hacked the vote in 2006.

Nobody hacked the vote in 2008.

Nobody hacked the vote in 2010.

Nobody hacked the vote in the Wisconsin recall election.

Nobody hacked the vote in 2012.

The government did not blow up world trade 7.

Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

The United States of America successfully landed 12 men on the moon and safely returned them to the earth.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #183)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:03 PM

184. and so your best defense

is amping up the false equivalency.

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Response to musette_sf (Reply #184)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:09 PM

185. There is no false equivalency

 

A conspiracy theorist is a conspiracy theorist.

Facts are facts. It is a factual statement to say that the vote has never been hacked. It is false to say it has.

Now maybe you'll just go ahead and play out the full on conspiracy theorist instead of making round about implications.

Go ahead, you know you want to.

Say that I am in on the conspiracy.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #183)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 04:54 PM

223. Your belief in our government's purity is touching.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #223)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:21 PM

225. You belief in long discredited conspiracy theories is disturbing.

 

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #225)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:32 PM

227. You win the "Pristine Bullet Award." Or would you prefer the "Secret Government Syphilis Testing on

Blacks Award"?

No, I've got it! Here's your "Tonkin Gulf Non-Incident Award."

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Response to musette_sf (Reply #181)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:56 PM

192. Its only a false equivalency if the vote flipping conspiracy is resting on better evidence.

As far as I know, there is no specific evidence of vote flipping. There is some analysis that shows that Ohio's 2004 result was statistically unlikely. That isn't the same thing as evidence of a conspiracy.

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Response to D23MIURG23 (Reply #192)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:54 AM

218. There's more than just "analysis" as evidence


but I believe your posts point to a very heartwarming, fatal flaw some humans have.

We just don't like to believe that our fellow humans would do unpleasant things. Or that people would conspire to cover up unpleasant behaviors because they benefit from the coverup in some way.

That's why Jerry Sandusky was able to continue his crimes. Nobody wanted to imagine his horrific abuse of children, so that many who tried to complain about the man were told they were: "Crazy, jealous, inventing abuse, imagining abuse, blah-blah-blah."

The same as you are doing concerning vote flipping.

I admire your naive scorn. Your self-righteous mockery.

I admire even more those who press on past their scorn to see the truth.

Uncomfortable? Maybe. But the truth doesn't care if you like it or not.













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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #218)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 04:43 PM

220. OK, then where is it?

If you've got evidence then I await your citations.

As for the rest, you show an irritating combination of condescension and vapidity. You apparently can't grok the difference between something being believable, and something being evident. It is certainly possible, believable even, that Karl Rove would set up an election rigging conspiracy, he has a motive, and doing such a thing would be consistent with his character.

What you and some of the other featherweights on this site need to realize is that the fact that you can imagine something that seems realistic doesn't mean it has to be true. Seeing you guys contort yourselves, and invent circuitous rationalizations to avoid the fact that Nate Silver predicted the outcomes of the 2008, 2010, Walker Recall, and now 2012 elections, and that we won two of those decisively, is pathetic and embarrassing. If Rove was in control of the voting machines in this last election, then he sucks at election fraud worse than you suck at logic.

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Response to D23MIURG23 (Reply #220)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:00 PM

231. Okay n/t

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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #231)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:22 PM

232. Thats what I thought; all you have are empty assertions. n/t

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #168)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:57 PM

190. +1

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:04 AM

172. I think you are on to something.

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:22 AM

174. Anonymous?

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:58 PM

188. In the movie version...

he smiles as he taps the "Ohio" icon...

but instead of the "Deployed" confirmation, an animated, laughing Guy Fawkes mask appears instead.

In reality: I doubt they were really capable of hacking a last minute hack.

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:13 AM

199. In the video of the meltdown, he specifically mentioned Hamilton County

That rang a bell, and I posted this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021744429

but it only got two recs before the election was over. I think people who say Rove was panicking because his back-up plan misfired are correct. And I believe he gave this away, when he mentioned Hamilton County.

Sam

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Response to Samantha (Reply #199)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:37 AM

205. Obama actually won Hamilton county.

So, why would Rove think Romney was going to get all these votes there?

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Response to LisaL (Reply #205)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:48 AM

210. It was said pretty often before the election whoever won Hamilton County would win Ohio

But the advance publicity on the Romney family owned investments in voting machines pinpointed one with a connection to Romney's son. The one voting machine in Ohio with a Romney family connection was in Hamilton County. So to answer your question, there was a suspicion that if any tampering was done in Ohio, one of the first places would be in Hamilton County. So the theory goes, that is what Rove was thinking. Things went wrong when it became readily apparent Ohio was not going to make a difference, so the totals reported are assumed to be correct, no tampering was done because the election was lost and why take the risk if Ohio was not determinative.

One might have had to be on this train before it left the track. It's late, and if I did not explain this well, perhaps someone else could state it more clearly.

But I should pointblank say, no one made a direct accusation; however, the alerts went out and all eyes were on Ohio, and Franklin County was in the spotlight.

I personally sent that information to the Obama campaign team with a simple message, "Are you aware of this?"

Sam

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:00 AM

214. Not tin foil.

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Response to yourout (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:04 AM

216. What I find delicious is that even though we may not know exactly what happened

or did not happen, the fact that Obama's team flushed out new voters with superior IT skills that went overwhelmingly Democratic that Ohio and Florida are no longer Kingmakers. In the end, you can't hack a whole new generation of involved human beings.

But I do love that Rove has some 'splainin' to do to some pretty "hacked" off donors.

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