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Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:35 PM

According to a FB friend

"Well, at least we can all follow Romney's example of public service and begin to engage more in our own communities. A good place to start"

That to me is an incredibly bizarre statement!

I suspect she got some mormon targeted ads or something. The really sad thing is that she has adopted 2 children who are black.
It's very McCainish to support a candidate who put up with a racist constituency, despite having at least 2 major reasons to be offended.

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loyalsister Nov 2012 OP
rightsideout Nov 2012 #1
loyalsister Nov 2012 #11
csziggy Nov 2012 #23
Marrah_G Nov 2012 #2
loyalsister Nov 2012 #6
GoCubsGo Nov 2012 #3
loyalsister Nov 2012 #26
JustFiveMoreMinutes Nov 2012 #4
loyalsister Nov 2012 #5
Indpndnt Nov 2012 #7
loyalsister Nov 2012 #9
cyndensco Nov 2012 #8
loyalsister Nov 2012 #13
loyalsister Nov 2012 #19
arcane1 Nov 2012 #10
DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2012 #15
loyalsister Nov 2012 #16
sinkingfeeling Nov 2012 #12
DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2012 #14
loyalsister Nov 2012 #17
Care Acutely Nov 2012 #18
loyalsister Nov 2012 #20
Care Acutely Nov 2012 #22
Spike89 Nov 2012 #21
madmom Nov 2012 #24
Johonny Nov 2012 #25
loyalsister Nov 2012 #30
Tennessee Gal Nov 2012 #27
loyalsister Nov 2012 #28
Tennessee Gal Nov 2012 #29

Response to loyalsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:41 PM

1. WTF? That is bizarre

Obama was a community activist. Romney never came close.

His only activism was chasing down gay kids and assaulting them.

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Response to rightsideout (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:19 PM

11. No kidding!

It was actually a job that I'm sure did not pay well!

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:46 PM

23. Romney also harassed a woman who needed an abortion

For medical reasons and told her she shouldn't do it.

As a young bishop, Romney got word that Carroll Shelton, a woman in his ward, was considering an abortion. This was Shelton's sixth pregnancy. She was in her 40s, had four teenage children and had developed medical complications. Her stake president had already approved the procedure when Romney arrived at the hospital and forcefully counseled her against it.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2012-03-28/mitt-romney-mormon-bishop/53836844/1

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Response to loyalsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:42 PM

2. I think people SHOULD engage in public service

HOWEVER, I think they should do something that benefits the people of their communities, rather then trying to convince French folks to give up wine.

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:00 PM

6. Exactly

I have a sneaking suspicion this was targeted info because she is a mormon. It's part of the mormon narrative he did not want to widely display for fear of losing the mainstream religious voters.
Not that it would be anything more than talking women out of abortions, setting up adoptions, and offering grants to exclusive mormon community organizations.

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Response to loyalsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:46 PM

3. What the hell are they talking about?

Engage more in our communities like Romney? Why? Because he threw some money a sick person's way once, something for which he is still patting himself on the back all these years later?

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:41 AM

26. This! lol

The best response she got. "I think it will be more amusing for me to imagine that you're following Obama's example of public service. You know, the whole "community organizer" thing."
IOW
Bless your little heart, you're talking about the president.

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Response to loyalsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:48 PM

4. Maybe you need to restate:

"The really sad thing is that she has adopted 2 children who are black."

Can be taken wrong.

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Response to JustFiveMoreMinutes (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:51 PM

5. Thanks!

got it

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Response to loyalsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:04 PM

7. Ask her for some examples.

I'd love to hear what she's been fed. Romney, a public servant? It boggles the mind.

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Response to Indpndnt (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:17 PM

9. She is an old HS friend

I see no reason to push it, though. I did say that I never heard about it in his campaign, though.
Earlier I exchanged some mail about the murder of Trayvon Martin. I was curious as to how she had explained to her son the important details about driving that her other kids and his cousins weren't likely to need to hear. I got a sort of self congratulatory "we don't treat him any differently than our other kids" so that they have the same parental and family support.

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Response to loyalsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:06 PM

8. That is as mystifying as when they say romney has integrity.

Talk about existing in an alternate reality!

Of course, they also expected a landslide win....glad it is us who are living in the real world.

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Response to cyndensco (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:22 PM

13. No kidding!

I wonder if they showed a paul ryanesque soup kitchen film in church or something.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:45 PM

19. Then again

Maybe they manipulated all of Obama's literature about being a community activist and applied it to romney. It's clear the he is comfortable with lying.

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Response to loyalsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:18 PM

10. But whatever you do, don't *gasp* ORGANIZE your communities!

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:26 PM

15. you beat me to posting that sentiment, but I wholeheartedly agree.

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:29 PM

16. Unless

They are "open minded," and "educable" potential mormons.

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Response to loyalsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:22 PM

12. But I don't want to be a vulture capitalist! Nor a Mormon missionary!

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Response to loyalsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:25 PM

14. Public service? In your community? In organized fashion? Community organizer. Great idea!

Too bad the right wing is still criticizing the good community work the president did in 25 years ago.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:33 PM

17. lol I was tempted to posting something to that effect

But, I didn't want to create conflict on a FB page. I would probably have been outnumbered significantly.

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Response to loyalsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:36 PM

18. In "our own" communities. Hmmm. Like Romney. What could that mean?

With Romney we know what it means - it means "that go to my church" and nobody else.

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Response to Care Acutely (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:47 PM

20. I missed that one at first

But it is pretty damning.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #20)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:20 PM

22. That's because you don't think like them. None of us do. When we seek to help

people, we just want to help people. They want to control who gets help, and then they want absolute control of how those people are allowed to use that help, and they want those people to be sufficiently humiliated for needing any help in the first place.

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Response to loyalsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:16 PM

21. The sneaky lie behind the GOP view

On its face, they have a point. Giving directly to local community charities does do a good job of targeting the specific needs of the community. I both commend and acknowledge that point of view and the fact that Republicans as a group do contribute to charities at least on a par with Democrats. There will always be the need for private, direct, community-based giving.

The sneaky lie is that because private giving is the most effective means in some (or even many) instances, public (government) programs are not needed. There are huge problems with a private-only community safety net. The most obvious is that our communities are and always have been fairly discrete and highly segregated by income. Not many 1% earners live next door to the struggling family hoping for enough cash to run the furnace this month. Hard hit communities (think Detroit under Bush Jr.) can be overwhelmed--there simply aren't enough people willing/able to give enough.

Not every group needing help has the marketing ability or, frankly, the appeal to compete for direct giving. For instance, it isn't hard to make an inspiring video asking people to feed starving babies, or rescue abused kitties and puppies. Wonderful causes, much needed, and undeniably heartwrenching. But we also need drug and alcohol rehab centers, homeless shelters, and many other things that help the "less photogenic".

We need a public safety net, especially for those outside the mainstream community. From a purely ROI standpoint, it is cheaper and easier to publicly fund transient and homeless nutritional needs than it is to hire enough police to protect us and incarcerate the starving masses that would be reduced to stealing food. The anti-public school bunch always ignore this aspect--it is cheaper to keep kids in school than it is to deal with the problems that all those kids running around without direction would cause.

The worse thing about the sneaky lie is that it totally ignores just how well the private and public roles can work together. When more of a community's basic needs are assured by the government, more of that community's private giving can be directed toward the things that community really values. For instance, if most of the people in a town are at least assured of getting enough food through federal programs, the local charities might be able to focus on supporting low-income housing, or other things specific to that town.

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Response to loyalsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:47 PM

24. In 2008 after Pres Obama won his first term, he asked

his OFA volunteers to stay organized and start helping their communities. The group in my town did. We started a volunteer organization that is still going strong. Along with that several of us have become best friends.

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Response to loyalsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:50 PM

25. I think this plays into the idea many people are liberal

they just don't know it. We find it funny so many conservatives talk about things from a liberal perspective but don't see it as liberalism. They attribute qualities that aren't actually in the Republican party and find defects that don't exist in the Democratic party. If you've talked to a lot of Republican voters it isn't uncommon. I think the key is usually there is ONE issue that holds them back and then they fill in the world they want around that idea. A big one is obviously R A C E.

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Response to Johonny (Reply #25)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 08:43 PM

30. I think that is true to some extent

But it doesn't translate. Is it a "liberal" to call a food drive or toy donation at a church and deliver it to people who they want to convert? Is it "liberal" to brag about charity donations used to get a tax break?
Then support laws that limit the reproductive choices of women, oppose health care for all?

I think there is a difference between having some charitable inclinations and being liberal.

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Response to loyalsister (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:54 AM

27. It is about this: Romney 28 years of unpaid service to his country

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Response to Tennessee Gal (Reply #27)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:24 AM

28. There it is.

Just enough to convince vulnerable minds

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #28)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:32 AM

29. It is not true. It is quite silly. nt

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