HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » Surprise at Obama’s victo...
Introducing Discussionist: A new forum by the creators of DU

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:05 AM

Surprise at Obama’s victory illustrates growing partisan divide in US media

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/Vox-News/2012/1107/Surprise-at-Obama-s-victory-illustrates-growing-partisan-divide-in-US-media


Surprise at Obama’s victory illustrates growing partisan divide in US media

Conservatives' shock that Mitt Romney did not win big is further evidence, analysts say, that the public is consuming media that reinforce personal views rather than give actual information about the world.

By Gloria Goodale, Staff writer / November 7, 2012


The big media story emerging from President Obama’s reelection is the fact that so many on the right were so stunned by the results.

snip//

But, rather than the purportedly surprising election results reflecting some national subversion of the voting process, many political scientists and other analysts say this right-wing upset is dramatic evidence of a growing partisan divide in our media.

Increasingly, the public consumes media that reinforce personal views rather than give actual information about the world, says University of San Francisco political scientist Corey Cook.

“The biggest story of this election is the stories that were being told about the election,” says Professor Cook, adding, “the two sides had very different views heading into the election night.”

Fox News Channel, on the one hand, he points out, repeatedly drove home the idea that Romney was headed for a huge victory nabbing more than 300 electoral votes, while the other side was saying that calculation included states that were not even in play.

“It was really as if places like MSNBC and Fox were talking about completely different races,” he adds.


more...

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/Vox-News/2012/1107/Surprise-at-Obama-s-victory-illustrates-growing-partisan-divide-in-US-media/%28page%29/2

37 replies, 2267 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 37 replies Author Time Post
Reply Surprise at Obama’s victory illustrates growing partisan divide in US media (Original post)
babylonsister Nov 2012 OP
beachbumbob Nov 2012 #1
lalalu Nov 2012 #2
nolabels Nov 2012 #22
lalalu Nov 2012 #23
lalalu Nov 2012 #3
malaise Nov 2012 #4
jberryhill Nov 2012 #5
efhmc Nov 2012 #11
City Lights Nov 2012 #12
hifiguy Nov 2012 #37
Tennessee Gal Nov 2012 #6
NWHarkness Nov 2012 #7
deutsey Nov 2012 #13
forthemiddle Nov 2012 #27
4_TN_TITANS Nov 2012 #36
justiceischeap Nov 2012 #8
babylonsister Nov 2012 #9
justiceischeap Nov 2012 #17
Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #10
deutsey Nov 2012 #14
redqueen Nov 2012 #24
KurtNYC Nov 2012 #15
TheKentuckian Nov 2012 #34
tanyev Nov 2012 #16
wellstone dem Nov 2012 #18
babylonsister Nov 2012 #19
Bonhomme Richard Nov 2012 #20
LibertyLover Nov 2012 #21
Johnny2X2X Nov 2012 #25
Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #32
Romulox Nov 2012 #26
loudsue Nov 2012 #28
Qutzupalotl Nov 2012 #29
HangOnKids Nov 2012 #35
TalkingDog Nov 2012 #30
hvn_nbr_2 Nov 2012 #31
ellenfl Nov 2012 #33

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:09 AM

1. don't lose sight that foxnews and their ilk

MAKE MONEY off feeding the national divide.....and thats the #1 reason they do it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to beachbumbob (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:13 AM

2. You are too kind.

 

They are just a bunch of lying corporate shills. I had to calm so many people during the campaign because of their lies. Many news blogs were loaded with plants trying to sway public opinion.

All their money and lies didn't work. Even now after the election they are still trying to dampen down the importance of this victory.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to lalalu (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:25 AM

22. Where would all the right wing shills go and live if they were not doing the faux

Yea, a few may get laid off or repositioned but until there is like concise spreadsheet that covers eight or ten years in which the billionaires see that they are losing then this crap will just go on. The crusties have spent thirty years getting mass media outlets to this point so do you really think they are going to give up because they lost once?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to nolabels (Reply #22)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:36 AM

23. Sad but true.

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:16 AM

3. I am proud of so many Americans who ignored their blatant lies.

 

They are still reeling from the fact their money and corporate sponsored lies did not win the election. This was real people power in action.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:16 AM

4. Looks like liberals are the pro-science and pro-math

group. Ah well - we knew.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:18 AM

5. With one significant difference


Yes, MSNBC and FOX seem to have been reporting about different places.

However, comparing them both to OBJECTIVE REALITY is would appear that MSNBC was reporting from that "personal view".

The article appears to miss the point that the "personal view" reported by MSNBC is what actually happened.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jberryhill (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:32 AM

11. Reality ran MSMBC.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jberryhill (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:34 AM

12. Exactly!

I'm sick of hearing that MSNBC is the left's version of FUX.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jberryhill (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:37 PM

37. msnbc never fudged the numbers

and repeatedly cited reputable people like Sam Wang and Nate Silver. At least Chris, Ed, Rachel, Lawrence and Martin did.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:18 AM

6. This line is perfect:

further evidence, analysts say, that the public is consuming media that reinforce personal views rather than give actual information about the world.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:19 AM

7. "Both sides of the media equation are at fault", Professor Tremayne says

Professor Tremayne apparently missed the fact that one side of the equation was right, and the other was wrong.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NWHarkness (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:39 AM

13. Yeah, I really get tired of that false equivalency

Sure, the evening shows on MSNBC are from a politically liberal perspective, but they are not churning out leftwing propaganda in the same way FOX does. There's just no comparison in that respect between the two.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NWHarkness (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:47 AM

27. During the Wisconsin recalls

Those that listened only to MSNBC (Ed Schulz and Rachel Maddow primarily) were SURE that Walker was going to lose. The only thing they saw were the awesome protests going on in Madison, but they were not seeing what was going on in the rest of the State.
In fact, that was one of the primary reasons I came back to DU (I had been lurking for years).

So yes, this does go on (to different degrees) on both sides.

BTW - Walker won by around 7%, yet there were some here that were convinced that he would be recalled.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to forthemiddle (Reply #27)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:33 PM

36. Well said...

I was somewhat shocked that Walker didn't get recalled. The protest coverage was so overwhelming.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:22 AM

8. They forgot to mention Nate Silver

anyone watching him and that Princeton guy knew the truth of the election. And anyone who may have visited DU knew that we were on to the media's "too close to call" narrative. We knew it was for ratings and money... DU, in touch with reality.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to justiceischeap (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:29 AM

9. No they didn't; he's mentioned

prominently in the article, but I had to snip somewhere.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to babylonsister (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:02 AM

17. I must have missed it... sorry. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:31 AM

10. Fuckity fucking equivalence fucking shit.

I am so tired of this crap. Our side had actual information about real polling data that showed a close popular vote and a blow out in the swing states, data clearly aligned with reality. Their side cherry picked national polling data to paint a bullshit picture of a money boo boo victory. The stupid craven media went all CNN on it, declaring the election too close to call rather than making a choice between total bullshit and actual facts.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:44 AM

14. God, I could almost see the CBS Morning News reporter drool whenever she said "too close to call"

After hearing her breathless assessments of how Romney was surging and PA was in play blah blah blah, I'd check Nate Silver and wonder WTF she was talking about.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:39 AM

24. Journalism and the CIA: The Mighty Wurlitzer

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:49 AM

15. Much of this doesn't fit with statistics -- Dems trust the MSM more than twice as much as Repubs

As for seeking out media they already agree with, much of the audience that watches Fox or listens to Rush is liberal but Repubs by and large NEVER watch Rachel Maddow, etc. In fact much of the Left is obsessed with RW media.

A RW audience wants to be pandered to and the LW audience likes to get pissed off about how biased the media is even though they have twice as much trust in MSM as the Right.

58% of Dems had a "great deal" or "fair" amount of trust in the MSM, versus just 26% for Repubs. See second graph here:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/157589/distrust-media-hits-new-high.aspx

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to KurtNYC (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:54 PM

34. That 58% is goofy too.

The corporate media is propaganda for corporate America and therefore the TeaPubliKlan party as well.

No wonder we have so many "inside the beltway" bullshit on here, a fair chunk believes as they are told by the snake oil salesmen.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:55 AM

16. The problem is not a partisan divide; the problem is the acceptance of Fox as a news channel.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:03 AM

18. MSNBC was reporting the truth

that's not the same as Faux news.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to wellstone dem (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:05 AM

19. Almost every talking head tried to make it a horse race until

the bitter end, even when it actually wasn't, so no, they weren't really telling anyone the whole story.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:05 AM

20. “It was really as if places like MSNBC and Fox were talking about completely different races,”

Which one was closer to being correct?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:09 AM

21. This is why I watch BBC

They can pack more real world news into half an hour than a US tv station can in 2 hours. And, since I work in DC for a major international NGO (non-governmental organization) with colleagues and friends from all over the world, I need to know what's going on outside the US.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:40 AM

25. False equivalency

Between the networks, but not websites like ours here.

Sure we were right, but whenever a pro Romney poll came out, its methodolgy was immediately attacked on here. I always said, polls are polls, take them together, that's the best way to view them, just because a poll is wrong doesn;t mean it was biased some how.

Come to think of it. We know all of these crazy predictions the entire FOX News staff made, I can;t think of any predictions that MSNBC staff made? Perhaps they kept them to themselves like any legitimate news agency should?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #25)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 12:07 PM

32. Rasmussen and Gallup were savaged here for good reasons.

a) they were both wrong.
b) they both have a history of deliberately over sampling republican voters in their "likely voter" polls.

The other polls being ridiculed were ridiculous. Gravis? Unscrewed? Politico? Not credible.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:42 AM

26. MSNBC and FOX are both distorted for me; CNN was locked in some kind of 3D video game

on election night.

I turned off the TV and used the computer for updates.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:50 AM

28. Because Fox LIES and MSNBC is more concerned with the TRUTH.

That's a no-brainer.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:53 AM

29. I thought we'd pull out the Walker recall.

Big Ed did, too.

Our side is a little more realistic, but it's human nature to gravitate toward comforting predictions. In this age where you can choose which narrative you want to hear, it's a problem for everyone.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Qutzupalotl (Reply #29)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:15 PM

35. We did win that recall

The PUKES fucked with the vote. Simple. Why did WI go the way it did this week? Because the vote was not fucked with. Simple.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:08 AM

30. REINSTATE THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE

n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:46 AM

31. "MSNBC and Fox were talking about completely different races"

That's true. MSNBC was talking about the race on planet Earth. Faux was talking about the race on planet Kochbaugh.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:31 PM

33. what i was saying . . .

"Both sides of the media equation are at fault, Professor Tremayne says, noting that despite the presence of many national polls suggesting Obama was ahead, many media outlets all over the political spectrum continued to call the race extremely close.

“This is understandable because this creates a sense of drama and therefore ratings, which all for-profit media want.”"


it was all about the ratings.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread