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Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:24 AM

 

PA is set to execute a man tonight for raping and murdering a 16 year old girl.

The event took place 19 years ago. It will be the first contested execution in the state in a long time.

I personally don't believe in capital punishment, even for such a horrible crime. Sometimes living is a worse punishment than death. I don't believe in Heaven or Hell, but if they do exist, he'll be heading downstairs eventually. All execution does is release someone from the living Hell of languishing in jail thinking about why you're there. That seems much harsher than a quick exit from life.

On Edit: at request, here's the link...

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/11/pennsylvania_executions_1.html#incart_m-rpt-2

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Reply PA is set to execute a man tonight for raping and murdering a 16 year old girl. (Original post)
HopeHoops Nov 2012 OP
onehandle Nov 2012 #1
Upton Nov 2012 #2
Major Nikon Nov 2012 #8
cali Nov 2012 #15
Scuba Nov 2012 #17
madokie Nov 2012 #3
blueknight Nov 2012 #4
obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #7
Upton Nov 2012 #12
msanthrope Nov 2012 #18
JoeyT Nov 2012 #21
amuse bouche Nov 2012 #5
Democat Nov 2012 #6
HopeHoops Nov 2012 #10
Democat Nov 2012 #11
Union Scribe Nov 2012 #9
HopeHoops Nov 2012 #13
cali Nov 2012 #16
HopeHoops Nov 2012 #20
JoeyT Nov 2012 #22
davidpdx Nov 2012 #14
GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #19
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2012 #25
davidpdx Nov 2012 #38
Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2012 #23
Aerows Nov 2012 #24
truebrit71 Nov 2012 #26
txdemsftw Nov 2012 #27
HappyMe Nov 2012 #30
Blaspherian Nov 2012 #48
Romulox Nov 2012 #28
snooper2 Nov 2012 #29
redqueen Nov 2012 #31
LP2K12 Nov 2012 #32
HopeHoops Nov 2012 #34
Ghost in the Machine Nov 2012 #33
HopeHoops Nov 2012 #35
Ghost in the Machine Nov 2012 #41
HopeHoops Nov 2012 #44
RebelOne Nov 2012 #36
Ghost in the Machine Nov 2012 #42
txdemsftw Nov 2012 #37
Carolina Nov 2012 #39
achanging Nov 2012 #40
HopeHoops Nov 2012 #43
barbtries Nov 2012 #45
HopeHoops Nov 2012 #47
Odin2005 Nov 2012 #46
HopeHoops Nov 2012 #49
Orrex Nov 2012 #50

Response to HopeHoops (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:27 AM

1. Agreed. nt

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Response to HopeHoops (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:30 AM

2. Life in prison may seem harsh to you..

but to some guy who has spent so many years behind bars, it's just another way of life. And make no mistake, the vast majority of those slated for execution want to live..which is why they fight for a stay right up to the last moment..

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Response to Upton (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:42 AM

8. Life in prison is harsh

It doesn't matter if they are used to it or not.

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Response to Upton (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:17 AM

15. I don't care. I oppose the dp because it's flat out wrong

innocent people get executed. The idea of the state having that power disgusts me. Vengeance isn't justice. I could go on and on.

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Response to cali (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:22 AM

17. Thank you.

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Response to HopeHoops (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:31 AM

3. The last thing I think should happen to these kinds of criminals is to give them an out

by putting them to death. Make them live as long as is humanly possible

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Response to HopeHoops (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:32 AM

4. i only agree with capitol punishment

if it is verified by science. DNA is the only way i would agree with cap punishment

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Response to blueknight (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:41 AM

7. "Science," including DNA has deemed many innocent people guilty

And, some guilty people innocent.

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Response to blueknight (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:47 AM

12. That's the way I feel..

safeguards need to be built in, 2 or 3 independent labs..whatever.....but once a murderer is convicted as a no doubter, such as those guys in the Petit case, lets get on with it.

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Response to Upton (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:26 AM

18. This guy has admitted it. He now claims his Asperger's in defense.

I am anti-dp because I don't think the state should have that power over its citizens, but this guy doesn't have my sympathy.

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Response to blueknight (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:39 AM

21. The only problem with that is

science isn't determining their guilt, a lab is. And if we make that the bar prosecutors and states are going to choose what lab to use by which one advertises the highest positive match rate.

These aren't scientists doing the testing. It's random dudes they hired off the street that were taught the steps. Labs being closed after hundreds of erroneous convictions aren't all that uncommon.

All that ignores prosecutor and police misconduct, which isn't even uncommon, much less unheard of.

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Response to HopeHoops (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:38 AM

5. I'm 100% against the Death Penalty

Two wrongs will never make a right and there is no way around it, it is barbaric

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Response to HopeHoops (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:40 AM

6. This thread would be more useful with links or details

A name at least?

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Response to Democat (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:45 AM

10. Here's the link. I'll edit the OP to include it as well...

 

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:46 AM

11. Thank you

Reading the sad story now.

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Response to HopeHoops (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:43 AM

9. I don't understand this argument

why do people think that someone who'd commit so heinous an act would sit in jail feeling bad about it? I find merit in most anti-DP arguments, but the one that assumes torment of the conscience confuses me.

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:47 AM

13. As I said, if there is a Hell, he'll end up there eventually.

 

If there isn't one, death is just an escape from prison - nothing more or less.

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:18 AM

16. That's a ridiculous reason to oppose the dp.

it's rooted in vengeance.

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Response to cali (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:30 AM

20. Say again? WHAT is rooted in vengeance, the prison or the death penalty?

 

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:42 AM

22. They don't feel bad about the act,

they feel bad that they got caught and they're stuck in jail.

Admittedly that's the weakest anti-DP argument in my opinion, so I rarely make it.

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Response to HopeHoops (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:15 AM

14. For many years I really never had an opinion one way or another believe or not

I saw The Life of David Gale and that made me anti-death penalty. While I believe those who commit a crime should be punished, i do worry that people have been put to death with false evidence. Oregon hasn't executed anyone in many years and our governor put a moratorium on the use of the death penalty.

Frankly I'm also surprised that these cases take 20 years to come to an end. I believe they should get due process, but also believe he courts are so overloaded that cases are backed up for years.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:30 AM

19. It takes so long due to the many appeals.

In the 1933 Giuseppe Zangara epmtied a pistol at FDR, missing him but hitting five others, including Chicago Mayor Anton J. Cermak who died. Zangara was captured at the scene. In five weeks he was tried and executed.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:09 AM

25. A shitty movie made you change your mind?

I won't give away the spoilers, but as Roger Ebert said, he's convinced the movie was made by pro death penalty people.

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #25)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:46 PM

38. It very well could have been made or influenced by an anti-death penalty group

Ebert has a right to his opinion, but the movie did make me think about the issue. Does that necessarily make it propaganda as you are insinuating? No.

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Response to HopeHoops (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:51 AM

23. Executing the man won't bring the victim back.

So what is the purpose?

It's medival futility.

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Response to HopeHoops (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:55 AM

24. Rape and murder of a 16 year old girl.

The real shame here is that this asshole got 19 more years of life than the 16 year old he raped and murdered.

I refuse to cry in my coffee that an asshole that raped and murdered a young woman finally gets what is coming to him.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:11 AM

26. I have to agree...if it were my daughter I'd save the State some money and do it myself...

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Response to Aerows (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:14 AM

27. Yep..

I worry far more for the victim and the victim's family than for the evil POS who took her life.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:24 AM

30. I have to agree.

I usually think no, the death penalty is no good. Then I think about my sons and other loved ones. I'm sorry, I could never forgive any brutal crime against them.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #24)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:54 AM

48. Spot on Aerows

 

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Response to HopeHoops (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:14 AM

28. The facts of this case turn my stomach. I can locate no sympathy...

I'm sorry, but I'm human, and I'm being honest.

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Response to HopeHoops (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:15 AM

29. could they smack him in the face while giving him the shot

just for good measure?

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Response to HopeHoops (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:29 AM

31. I am against the death penalty as a matter of principle, no matter the crime.

Nothing to do with sympathy, forgiveness, or anything else.

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Response to HopeHoops (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:29 AM

32. Curious question...

Do those who oppose the dealth penalty for killers also oppose our methods when we go to war?

For example, as a soldier I was trained to fire upon those who fire at me. Of course, we attempt to reduce all casualties, but that's not always possible.

Technically, soldier's are just doing their job. Do you view them badly for that? They're basically issuing a death penalty.

Just trying to see if they go hand in hand. I have no problem with the death penalty and I was enlisted.

Edit: I also agree with the poster above. From experience. I have a family member who has been to prison multiple times. He just got used to it, life went on. He was provided with food, books, medical care, etc. It didn't weigh heavy on him.

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Response to LP2K12 (Reply #32)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 12:51 PM

34. Unless our country is under threat, I don't believe in war.

 

We need a standing army to guard our country, but technically I would qualify as an isolationist. At least we're out of Iraq now, but there's no reason to still be in Afghanistan (and Bush royally fucked up the initial invasion). We shouldn't be throwing away the lives of well-trained soldiers for questionable (if existing) justification. And don't even get me started on civilian casualties.

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Response to HopeHoops (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:55 AM

33. He abducted a 16 y/o girl, raped her, shot her twice in the chest & once in the head w/ a 44Mag?

I'd hook the needles up myself... fuck him, take his worthless ass off this planet already! 19 years on death row already?? Tell me again how it "costs more to execute than to imprison for life". Keep lying to yourselves, I ain't buying it...

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Response to Ghost in the Machine (Reply #33)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 12:52 PM

35. I'm not the one who stated your quote. Of course it's cheaper to execute.

 

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #35)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:58 PM

41. My bad.. I didn't say that you said it, it's just a quote I've read here too many times...

It wasn't directed at you... sorry for the misunderstanding....

Peace,

Ghost

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Response to Ghost in the Machine (Reply #41)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:11 AM

44. No problem. Weird, but I've never seen that posted. Strange concept, eh?

 

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Response to Ghost in the Machine (Reply #33)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:00 PM

36. I gotta agree with you.

Sometimes I do not agree with the death penalty, but in a horrific case like this, I say he gets what is coming to him.

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #36)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:03 PM

42. I don't always agree with the death penalty either, but I *do* support it...

In a 100% slam-dunk case, where we have DNA evidence, a confession, video evidence, or multile credible eyewitness testimony.. don't even waste time, or taxpayer money, on appeals... just take them straight to the execution chambers and be gone with them.

Peace,

Ghost

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Response to HopeHoops (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:02 PM

37. Crimes against children

are the exception for me when the evidence is there. Always.

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Response to HopeHoops (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:48 PM

39. where are all the pro-lifers and rape apologists?

They should be out there fighting for this guy's life

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Response to HopeHoops (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:51 PM

40. It could be you

Until it happens to a child of yours, dont be quick to make that judgement. Creeps like that should be eradicated.

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Response to HopeHoops (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:04 AM

43. UPDATE: The PASC issued a stay of execution at the last minute.

 

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Response to HopeHoops (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:15 AM

45. i oppose the death penalty

because i believe that people are not supposed to kill people.

i don't think your reason holds water. the number of death row inmates clamoring to get to the gallows is quite small. most people want to keep on living even if they are in prison.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #45)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:52 AM

47. Well, it's been 50 years since PA executed someone against their will.

 

I think the last execution was in the late 90's, but in all of that time the only ones to go were those who decided not to continue the fight and just get it over with.

The argument in this case is interesting. It has nothing to do with him claiming he's innocent but rather over the three drugs involved. Specifically, the argument is that if the first drug (barbiturate) isn't of administered correctly, that the paralysis drug that comes second will prevent the individual from being able to react to the third drug which can be excruciatingly painful. The paralysis drug is banned for use in veterinary euthanasia and one of the key points is that if it's banned for animals, why isn't it banned for humans?

How this plays out could have a major impact on the death penalty in the state, including potentially making it unconstitutional. It really has nothing to do with this particular inmate other than he's the one that happens to be in line right now.

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Response to HopeHoops (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:51 AM

46. Fry the fucker.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #46)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:58 AM

49. Um, that chair got retired a LONG time ago.

 

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Response to HopeHoops (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:10 AM

50. Nothing excites DU's sense of righteous bloodlust like capital punishment

I have never heard a single good argument in favor of capital punishment. Not one, not ever. They all--without exception--boil down either to Old Testament vengeance or else to some dubious notion of "closure" for the victims' families.

I have heard countless unassailable arguments against capital punshment.

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