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What does "off the cliff" mean? (Original Post) XemaSab Nov 2012 OP
The deep automatic cuts to defense and domestic spending ... GodlessBiker Nov 2012 #1
Did you hear it, too? MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #2
"we're going to pretend the Bush tax cuts aren't set to expire" is what that means Spider Jerusalem Nov 2012 #3
Wikipedia has a good page - lots of info (I was surprised to see so much)! NRaleighLiberal Nov 2012 #4
Austerity. Octafish Nov 2012 #5
Context? nt Zorra Nov 2012 #6
Congress set up rhe "cliff" now they're yelling that we're going to go over it. Repeal your silly HiPointDem Nov 2012 #7
This! longship Nov 2012 #8
It's kind of like Romney on election night aletier_v Nov 2012 #9

GodlessBiker

(6,314 posts)
1. The deep automatic cuts to defense and domestic spending ...
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:24 PM
Nov 2012

required as a result of the super committee failing to do its job.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
2. Did you hear it, too?
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:26 PM
Nov 2012

On the way home, already NPR is conducting gum flapping over the question (or pseudo-question) "But, did Obama do enough to avoid "going over the fiscal cliff?"

They are already beating off to some drum with a talking point per day. No meaning...

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
3. "we're going to pretend the Bush tax cuts aren't set to expire" is what that means
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:26 PM
Nov 2012

full stop.

Since honestly I don't quite grasp how an increase in revenues (from tax increases) combined with a decrease in expenditures (from spending cuts) combines to create a "cliff" as in "scary precipice that we're about to chuck the entire economy over".

NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
4. Wikipedia has a good page - lots of info (I was surprised to see so much)!
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:26 PM
Nov 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_fiscal_cliff

here is a key section

Current laws leading to the fiscal cliff

The following provisions of current law are most involved in the fiscal cliff

Expiration of the Obama tax cuts provided for in the Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010
Across-the-board spending cuts ("sequestration&quot to most discretionary programs as directed by the Budget Control Act of 2011

Reversion of the Alternative Minimum Tax thresholds to their 2000 tax year levels
Expiration of measures delaying the Medicare Sustainable Growth Rate from going into effect (the "doc fix&quot , most recently extended by the Middle Class Tax Relief and Job Creation Act of 2012 (MCTRJCA)

Expiration of the 2% Social Security payroll tax cut, most recently extended by MCTRJCA

Expiration of federal unemployment benefits, most recently extended by MCTRJCA and

New taxes imposed by the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010.
Without new legislation, these provisions will automatically go into effect on January 1 or 2, 2013, except for the Alternative Minimum Tax growth, which may be changed retroactively. Some provisions will increase taxes (the expiration of the Bush and FICA payroll tax cuts and the new Affordable Care tax and AMT thresholds) while others will reduce spending (sequestration, expiration of unemployment benefits and implementation of the Medicare SGR).

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
5. Austerity.
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:27 PM
Nov 2012

Well, austerity for you and me and 99.99-per cent of humanity.

It's Good Times for the Warmonger Bankster set with loads more better perma-war and never-ending bank bailouts and trickle down welfare for the wealthy.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
7. Congress set up rhe "cliff" now they're yelling that we're going to go over it. Repeal your silly
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:31 PM
Nov 2012

rule, stupids.

It's a fucking scam designed to herd the public into supporting cuts.

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