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Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:30 PM

 

"we beat citizens united".

this meme was repeated over & over as i watched the post-election coverage on msnbc.

but it's not true. the problem with citizens united isn't that democrats won't get elected.

the problem with citizens united is that no one who isn't backed by big money can get elected, and anyone who hopes to get elected will have to take the big money.

the 1%-ers donate to both sides of the fence, not to mention small-party candidates. often in the same election. they're not donating to elect someone, necessarily. they're donating to control the process & control the positions discussed and taken, and how the positions are discussed, and what the 'issues' will be.

the problem is also the inflow of big money even into small local contests, such as school board elections.

"we" can not "beat" citizens united except by getting rid of it through constitutional admendment or something similar.

nobody on msnbc, cnn, fox or any other news outlet is even talking about that, or proposing it. because the people who run the country don't want them to. instead, they're trying to sell us this narrative about how "we" beat CU with good old boots on the ground democracy (therefore CU doesn't matter, don't think about it anymore, right?)

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HiPointDem Nov 2012 OP
ibegurpard Nov 2012 #1
JaneyVee Nov 2012 #2
enough Nov 2012 #3
HiPointDem Nov 2012 #7
Ohio Joe Nov 2012 #4
Zorra Nov 2012 #5
Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #6
pacalo Nov 2012 #8
moondust Nov 2012 #9
pa28 Nov 2012 #10
HiPointDem Nov 2012 #11
gollygee Nov 2012 #12
HiPointDem Nov 2012 #13

Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:31 PM

1. yeah, that's bullshit

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Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:33 PM

2. I agree. WHile we DID kinda sorta "beat" citizens united it doesn't even deserve to be alive.

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Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:33 PM

3. I completely agree with you. Been trying not to say this today,

so as not to spoil anyone's well-earned happiness.

The reality is dire. We are barely breathing here, as actual citizens.

Thanks for saying this.

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Response to enough (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:50 PM

7. there are others -- just not in an op.

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:34 PM

4. Well said - K&R - nt

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Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:34 PM

5. Truth. Great post, thanks!

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Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:34 PM

6. Agreed. nt

PB

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Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:51 PM

8. I did hear a comment on MSNBC that this election proved that Citizens United could not

overpower the will of the people -- millionaires' big-money tv ads were wasted. Democrats can now feel less threatened by the other side's outspending.

I think this was discussed on Hardball when they were talking about Sherrod Brown's win.

On the other hand, I've been feeling a bit skeptical since learning about Karl Rove's refusal to accept the Ohio results & about Dick Morris' cock-sure prediction. I began wondering if Rove had his election tampering in place but got bilked in the end. He wouldn't budge in accepting Romney would lose Ohio. If that were the case, big money would have won this election, but, somehow, something went wrong for Rove &, in any case, there are many rich men who must be very angry at Rove.

Citizens United needs to go, yes.

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Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:10 PM

9. Media are beneficiaries of campaign spending.

No surprise that they don't object too much.

I also wonder how many campaign contributions come from poor people who have much better uses for their money but fear their candidates will be plowed under by corporate megabucks.

CU must go.

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Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:35 PM

10. Excellent post.

Citizens United is a cancer and just because we survived the day does not mean we're cured. Money is going to hang over every single piece of legislation and every piece of committee business in both houses of congress.

Sorry to be so blunt but anybody who thinks CU was "beaten" or does not matter is a fucking idiot.

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Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:23 PM

11. kick

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:25 PM

12. That's because a bunch of us, also citizens, united as well

and supported Obama and then went out and voted. We have power! Yay! You can't just buy an election!

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Response to gollygee (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:36 PM

13. lol

 

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