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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsColorado gated community installs photo radar, begins ticketing residents and guests
Source: CBS Denver
The Homeowners Association in Roxborough Park is tired of residents speeding so theyre setting up photo radar to enforce the speed limits.
Roxborough Park is a private residential community in Douglas County. Some residents are concerned about the new plans to run radar in the neighborhood.
... In a gated community like Roxborough Park, the streets are private property and not governed by the Douglas County Sheriffs Office. The HOA has the authority.
... The speed enforcement extends to anyone on the roads in Roxborough Park. Homeowners will be held accountable for their guests that speed through the neighborhood.
Read more: http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/11/02/hoa-takes-up-speed-enforcement/
napi21
(45,806 posts)let's look at a different scenario. Let's say there is a murder in RP. ould the HOA be the investigative authority? What about a fire? Do they call the FD? I sure coulod be werong, but that's the way I look at it.
sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)If I read it correctly using photo radar to go after speeders could only affect the actual homeowners who signed the HOA agreement.
If you and I were to to ripping through the streets racing my kick-ass AMC Pacer against your puny little Geo Metro they could take the picture but I'd be surprised if they could actually enforce any kind of fine.
Journeyman
(15,001 posts)Someone gave you permission to enter the front gate. That homeowner is responsible for your actions inside the community. And if they are assessed a fine for your transgression they must pay it or the HOA can take legal action against them, up to and including foreclosing on their property.
OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)and then wait for a resident to go in and follow behind him.
And speed my ass off. And tell them i ws there to see that big house with the rmoney signs.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)And there are plenty of them out there.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Americans have the GOD GIVEN RIGHT to drive as fast as they DAMN WELL PLEASE when there are no cops around!
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)Like red light cameras in cities. Wow, 1-4 mph OVER?
5 to 9 mph over = $35
10 to 19 mph over = $50
20 mph over = $100
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)HOAs, then this enforcement will be completely arbitrary and rife with abuse
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)You'd understand this is far from fascism, but common sense and a saftey issue.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)The fuckers doing that speed. Have them rewrite their charter to let local PD into their community if they have to. But 1-4 mph over. That has nothing to do with common sense or safety. That's all about the Benjamins.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)and know every single detail about why this was implemented.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)No, thats outside the boundaries of what the HOA was established to do. That is within the boundaries of what the law is supposed to do, Powers told CBS4.
Where do they go from there? Are they going to start inspecting your vehicles? Brown asked.
The speed enforcement extends to anyone on the roads in Roxborough Park. Homeowners will be held accountable for their guests that speed through the neighborhood.
So if you come to my neighborhood and speed, I should have to pay a fine for you?
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)BlueMan Votes
(903 posts)If they own and maintain the roads- they can make the rules.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)This takes the concept of private property too far IMHO.
BlueMan Votes
(903 posts)they're the ones who build and maintain the roadways. they aren't public roads, so no public government has any authority over them.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I dont think some association or business entity getting together confers the authority of government and I dont think if you want to buy a piece of land that any such association should have the ability to have power over you beyond what real elected officials and the laws they create have.
BlueMan Votes
(903 posts)but it IS private property, and they DO have the authority.
that's just how it works.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)BlueMan Votes
(903 posts)The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
and the state says that the hoa has authority.
that's just how it works.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)To suggest that the framers, who were obsessive about private property rights, and the right of every land owner to do what they wanted with their property, ever intended to allow a situation where a cartel like HOAs could dictate to private property owners what they could do with their land is completely inane.
Journeyman
(15,001 posts)Some HOAs overstep their bounds and must be reigned in, but until that happens anything they decide must be abided by the Residents. Doesn't matter what you or I or the lamppost on the corner think. Those who live there agreed to let the HOA have such power over them. And the HOA has the force of law behind them and can go so far as to foreclose on any homeowner who bucks the system. It sucks, but then, everyone who lives there agreed to such draconian, medieval rules when they signed the mortgage.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)The problem with that is far too much of the country, in particular, many of the nice neighborhoods, are now monopolized by areas controlled by these organizations.
And, as is far too often, the wrong kinds of folks, those who crave and abuse power and are authoritarians, gain control of these organizations.
In the Constitution, there are protections for people in the minority. Where is the protection for those with minority viewpoints in HOA situations?
BlueMan Votes
(903 posts)if they decide that they don't like the rules that they agreed to when they bought the property.
BlueMan Votes
(903 posts)how hard is it to understand...really?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)of the framers.
BlueMan Votes
(903 posts)the subdivision is PRIVATE property.
the framers were all about the rights of property owners.
and in this case- the property owners have banded together and made the rules for THEIR PROPERTY.
onethatcares
(16,133 posts)crime watch jerkoff to be their Chief of Police?
Nothing bad could ever come of that, right?
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)in a mere 9 posts. Good to see DU connect the dots so quickly.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)That Progressive love so much.
mick063
(2,424 posts)Should have never let the wife talk me in to moving here.
Reitrement is 6 years away. Daughter out of the house in roughly 4.
Then I'm outta here. Will never live in this type of neighborhood again.
Those power freaks can shove it up their ass.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)down the speeders. We have lil kids here.
librechik
(30,663 posts)almost every day.
That's the kind of neighborhood it is. Their private little millionaire fiefdom.
Ya Basta
(391 posts)Not that I condone speeding or driving unsafely. Just that I also frown upon living in a country where the public looks more and more like the inside of a prison (cameras everywhere watching everything).
Journeyman
(15,001 posts)They don't need to know who's driving. They aren't going after the driver. The HOA will assess the fine against the homeowner who gave permission for the vehicle to enter. It sucks. But then, the people who live there agreed to this when they signed the mortgage.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)If I go and visit someone in that neighborhood and I speed they get fined $250. They log your license at the gate and where you are going.
Pretty messed up if you ask me. I would never live there.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)Panasonic
(2,921 posts)And never will.