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Newsjock

(11,733 posts)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:14 PM Nov 2012

Colorado gated community installs photo radar, begins ticketing residents and guests

Source: CBS Denver

The Homeowners Association in Roxborough Park is tired of residents speeding so they’re setting up photo radar to enforce the speed limits.

Roxborough Park is a private residential community in Douglas County. Some residents are concerned about the new plans to run radar in the neighborhood.

... In a gated community like Roxborough Park, the streets are private property and not governed by the Douglas County Sheriff’s Office. The HOA has the authority.

... The speed enforcement extends to anyone on the roads in Roxborough Park. Homeowners will be held accountable for their guests that speed through the neighborhood.

Read more: http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/11/02/hoa-takes-up-speed-enforcement/

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Colorado gated community installs photo radar, begins ticketing residents and guests (Original Post) Newsjock Nov 2012 OP
I see why they believe the HOA is the authority, but... napi21 Nov 2012 #1
That would be a police matter sharp_stick Nov 2012 #2
They could definitely enforce a fine -- against the homeowner they identified as your "sponsor". . . Journeyman Nov 2012 #4
I would look for the houses with romney yard signs OriginalGeek Nov 2012 #35
Just another damned fascist HOA... MicaelS Nov 2012 #3
How DARE those fascists enforce safe, sensible speed limits? Nye Bevan Nov 2012 #6
Spare me, this is just another revenue generating scheme MicaelS Nov 2012 #8
Trust me...If this HOA leadership is anything like the power-mad, little hitlers I've known in other Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #32
If you ever had to deal with asshats going 50 in a 15 MPH zone... joeybee12 Nov 2012 #7
Then get some cops out there and ticket MicaelS Nov 2012 #10
I'm sorry, I didn't realize you lived at this particular complex joeybee12 Nov 2012 #14
What? I can't agree with a member of said community? MicaelS Nov 2012 #15
Since when do we have fiefdoms with private cops and laws in the U.S.? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #5
ever since the concept of private property. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #11
IMHO, law enforcement is a government issue, not a private association issue. stevenleser Nov 2012 #18
in the gated community- the private association IS the 'government'. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #19
I don't agree that they are the government. stevenleser Nov 2012 #20
you don't have to agree. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #22
I dont agree they have the authority. Show me in the constitution where they have it. nt stevenleser Nov 2012 #23
try the 10th amendment, for starters. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #24
I disagree. The framers would never have allowed this to happen. stevenleser Nov 2012 #25
Everyone who resides in an HOA-administered community has agreed to let them have their power. . . Journeyman Nov 2012 #27
Ah, the old "They agreed to hand over their rights" argument? stevenleser Nov 2012 #34
the people in the minority have the right to move elsewhere... BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #37
the hoa IS/ARE the private property owners. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #30
I was just going to say the same to you. How hard is it to understand? This is not the intent stevenleser Nov 2012 #33
sure it is. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #36
maybe they could find some kind of onethatcares Nov 2012 #9
OK, so we've gone from $15 speeding fines to the death of Trayvon Martin, Nye Bevan Nov 2012 #12
All part and parcel of those terrifc gated communities MicaelS Nov 2012 #13
I despise my HOA mick063 Nov 2012 #16
my hoa is ok. They keep order. Put in speed bumps a few years ago to slow Liberal_in_LA Nov 2012 #21
the guy that owns the building I work in lives in Roxborough Park. Drives the Ferrari to work librechik Nov 2012 #17
Just lower your sun visor to block out your face from the cameras. :P Ya Basta Nov 2012 #26
Your car -- its license plate, make and color -- is registered when you enter the community. . . Journeyman Nov 2012 #29
This happens in a neighborhood near me Egnever Nov 2012 #28
One of the man reasons to never ever live in a gated community. sarcasmo Nov 2012 #31
I don't go to that area. Panasonic Nov 2012 #38

napi21

(45,806 posts)
1. I see why they believe the HOA is the authority, but...
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:20 PM
Nov 2012

let's look at a different scenario. Let's say there is a murder in RP. ould the HOA be the investigative authority? What about a fire? Do they call the FD? I sure coulod be werong, but that's the way I look at it.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
2. That would be a police matter
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:24 PM
Nov 2012

If I read it correctly using photo radar to go after speeders could only affect the actual homeowners who signed the HOA agreement.

If you and I were to to ripping through the streets racing my kick-ass AMC Pacer against your puny little Geo Metro they could take the picture but I'd be surprised if they could actually enforce any kind of fine.

Journeyman

(15,001 posts)
4. They could definitely enforce a fine -- against the homeowner they identified as your "sponsor". . .
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:34 PM
Nov 2012

Someone gave you permission to enter the front gate. That homeowner is responsible for your actions inside the community. And if they are assessed a fine for your transgression they must pay it or the HOA can take legal action against them, up to and including foreclosing on their property.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
35. I would look for the houses with romney yard signs
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 05:28 PM
Nov 2012

and then wait for a resident to go in and follow behind him.


And speed my ass off. And tell them i ws there to see that big house with the rmoney signs.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
6. How DARE those fascists enforce safe, sensible speed limits?
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:43 PM
Nov 2012

Americans have the GOD GIVEN RIGHT to drive as fast as they DAMN WELL PLEASE when there are no cops around!

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
8. Spare me, this is just another revenue generating scheme
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:46 PM
Nov 2012

Like red light cameras in cities. Wow, 1-4 mph OVER?

– 1 to 4 mph over = $15

– 5 to 9 mph over = $35

– 10 to 19 mph over = $50

– 20 mph over = $100

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
32. Trust me...If this HOA leadership is anything like the power-mad, little hitlers I've known in other
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 04:30 PM
Nov 2012

HOAs, then this enforcement will be completely arbitrary and rife with abuse

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
7. If you ever had to deal with asshats going 50 in a 15 MPH zone...
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:45 PM
Nov 2012

You'd understand this is far from fascism, but common sense and a saftey issue.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
10. Then get some cops out there and ticket
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:49 PM
Nov 2012

The fuckers doing that speed. Have them rewrite their charter to let local PD into their community if they have to. But 1-4 mph over. That has nothing to do with common sense or safety. That's all about the Benjamins.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
14. I'm sorry, I didn't realize you lived at this particular complex
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:04 PM
Nov 2012

and know every single detail about why this was implemented.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
15. What? I can't agree with a member of said community?
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:11 PM
Nov 2012
Even though Powers had a couple of close calls, she doesn’t agree that the HOA should be running radar.

“No, that’s outside the boundaries of what the HOA was established to do. That is within the boundaries of what the law is supposed to do,” Powers told CBS4.

“Where do they go from there? Are they going to start inspecting your vehicles?” Brown asked.

The speed enforcement extends to anyone on the roads in Roxborough Park. Homeowners will be held accountable for their guests that speed through the neighborhood.


So if you come to my neighborhood and speed, I should have to pay a fine for you?
 

BlueMan Votes

(903 posts)
11. ever since the concept of private property.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:49 PM
Nov 2012

If they own and maintain the roads- they can make the rules.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
18. IMHO, law enforcement is a government issue, not a private association issue.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:52 PM
Nov 2012

This takes the concept of private property too far IMHO.

 

BlueMan Votes

(903 posts)
19. in the gated community- the private association IS the 'government'.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 03:03 PM
Nov 2012

they're the ones who build and maintain the roadways. they aren't public roads, so no public government has any authority over them.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
20. I don't agree that they are the government.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 03:10 PM
Nov 2012

I dont think some association or business entity getting together confers the authority of government and I dont think if you want to buy a piece of land that any such association should have the ability to have power over you beyond what real elected officials and the laws they create have.

 

BlueMan Votes

(903 posts)
22. you don't have to agree.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 03:13 PM
Nov 2012

but it IS private property, and they DO have the authority.

that's just how it works.

 

BlueMan Votes

(903 posts)
24. try the 10th amendment, for starters.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 03:53 PM
Nov 2012

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


and the state says that the hoa has authority.

that's just how it works.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
25. I disagree. The framers would never have allowed this to happen.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 04:08 PM
Nov 2012

To suggest that the framers, who were obsessive about private property rights, and the right of every land owner to do what they wanted with their property, ever intended to allow a situation where a cartel like HOAs could dictate to private property owners what they could do with their land is completely inane.

Journeyman

(15,001 posts)
27. Everyone who resides in an HOA-administered community has agreed to let them have their power. . .
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 04:23 PM
Nov 2012

Some HOAs overstep their bounds and must be reigned in, but until that happens anything they decide must be abided by the Residents. Doesn't matter what you or I or the lamppost on the corner think. Those who live there agreed to let the HOA have such power over them. And the HOA has the force of law behind them and can go so far as to foreclose on any homeowner who bucks the system. It sucks, but then, everyone who lives there agreed to such draconian, medieval rules when they signed the mortgage.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
34. Ah, the old "They agreed to hand over their rights" argument?
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 05:27 PM
Nov 2012

The problem with that is far too much of the country, in particular, many of the nice neighborhoods, are now monopolized by areas controlled by these organizations.

And, as is far too often, the wrong kinds of folks, those who crave and abuse power and are authoritarians, gain control of these organizations.

In the Constitution, there are protections for people in the minority. Where is the protection for those with minority viewpoints in HOA situations?

 

BlueMan Votes

(903 posts)
37. the people in the minority have the right to move elsewhere...
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 05:37 PM
Nov 2012

if they decide that they don't like the rules that they agreed to when they bought the property.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
33. I was just going to say the same to you. How hard is it to understand? This is not the intent
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 05:23 PM
Nov 2012

of the framers.

 

BlueMan Votes

(903 posts)
36. sure it is.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 05:35 PM
Nov 2012

the subdivision is PRIVATE property.

the framers were all about the rights of property owners.

and in this case- the property owners have banded together and made the rules for THEIR PROPERTY.

onethatcares

(16,133 posts)
9. maybe they could find some kind of
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:47 PM
Nov 2012

crime watch jerkoff to be their Chief of Police?

Nothing bad could ever come of that, right?

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
12. OK, so we've gone from $15 speeding fines to the death of Trayvon Martin,
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:50 PM
Nov 2012

in a mere 9 posts. Good to see DU connect the dots so quickly.

 

mick063

(2,424 posts)
16. I despise my HOA
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:47 PM
Nov 2012

Should have never let the wife talk me in to moving here.

Reitrement is 6 years away. Daughter out of the house in roughly 4.

Then I'm outta here. Will never live in this type of neighborhood again.

Those power freaks can shove it up their ass.

 

Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
21. my hoa is ok. They keep order. Put in speed bumps a few years ago to slow
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 03:11 PM
Nov 2012

down the speeders. We have lil kids here.

librechik

(30,663 posts)
17. the guy that owns the building I work in lives in Roxborough Park. Drives the Ferrari to work
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:49 PM
Nov 2012

almost every day.

That's the kind of neighborhood it is. Their private little millionaire fiefdom.

 

Ya Basta

(391 posts)
26. Just lower your sun visor to block out your face from the cameras. :P
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 04:22 PM
Nov 2012

Not that I condone speeding or driving unsafely. Just that I also frown upon living in a country where the public looks more and more like the inside of a prison (cameras everywhere watching everything).


Journeyman

(15,001 posts)
29. Your car -- its license plate, make and color -- is registered when you enter the community. . .
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 04:26 PM
Nov 2012

They don't need to know who's driving. They aren't going after the driver. The HOA will assess the fine against the homeowner who gave permission for the vehicle to enter. It sucks. But then, the people who live there agreed to this when they signed the mortgage.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
28. This happens in a neighborhood near me
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 04:26 PM
Nov 2012

If I go and visit someone in that neighborhood and I speed they get fined $250. They log your license at the gate and where you are going.

Pretty messed up if you ask me. I would never live there.

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