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Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:14 PM

Colorado gated community installs photo radar, begins ticketing residents and guests

Source: CBS Denver

The Homeowners Association in Roxborough Park is tired of residents speeding so they’re setting up photo radar to enforce the speed limits.

Roxborough Park is a private residential community in Douglas County. Some residents are concerned about the new plans to run radar in the neighborhood.

... In a gated community like Roxborough Park, the streets are private property and not governed by the Douglas County Sheriff’s Office. The HOA has the authority.

... The speed enforcement extends to anyone on the roads in Roxborough Park. Homeowners will be held accountable for their guests that speed through the neighborhood.

Read more: http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/11/02/hoa-takes-up-speed-enforcement/

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Reply Colorado gated community installs photo radar, begins ticketing residents and guests (Original post)
Newsjock Nov 2012 OP
napi21 Nov 2012 #1
sharp_stick Nov 2012 #2
Journeyman Nov 2012 #4
OriginalGeek Nov 2012 #35
MicaelS Nov 2012 #3
Nye Bevan Nov 2012 #6
MicaelS Nov 2012 #8
Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #32
joeybee12 Nov 2012 #7
MicaelS Nov 2012 #10
joeybee12 Nov 2012 #14
MicaelS Nov 2012 #15
WinkyDink Nov 2012 #5
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #11
stevenleser Nov 2012 #18
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #19
stevenleser Nov 2012 #20
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #22
stevenleser Nov 2012 #23
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #24
stevenleser Nov 2012 #25
Journeyman Nov 2012 #27
stevenleser Nov 2012 #34
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #37
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #30
stevenleser Nov 2012 #33
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #36
onethatcares Nov 2012 #9
Nye Bevan Nov 2012 #12
MicaelS Nov 2012 #13
mick063 Nov 2012 #16
Liberal_in_LA Nov 2012 #21
librechik Nov 2012 #17
Ya Basta Nov 2012 #26
Journeyman Nov 2012 #29
Egnever Nov 2012 #28
sarcasmo Nov 2012 #31
Panasonic Nov 2012 #38

Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:20 PM

1. I see why they believe the HOA is the authority, but...

let's look at a different scenario. Let's say there is a murder in RP. ould the HOA be the investigative authority? What about a fire? Do they call the FD? I sure coulod be werong, but that's the way I look at it.

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Response to napi21 (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:24 PM

2. That would be a police matter

If I read it correctly using photo radar to go after speeders could only affect the actual homeowners who signed the HOA agreement.

If you and I were to to ripping through the streets racing my kick-ass AMC Pacer against your puny little Geo Metro they could take the picture but I'd be surprised if they could actually enforce any kind of fine.

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Response to sharp_stick (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:34 PM

4. They could definitely enforce a fine -- against the homeowner they identified as your "sponsor". . .

Someone gave you permission to enter the front gate. That homeowner is responsible for your actions inside the community. And if they are assessed a fine for your transgression they must pay it or the HOA can take legal action against them, up to and including foreclosing on their property.

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Response to Journeyman (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 04:28 PM

35. I would look for the houses with romney yard signs

and then wait for a resident to go in and follow behind him.


And speed my ass off. And tell them i ws there to see that big house with the rmoney signs.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:25 PM

3. Just another damned fascist HOA...

And there are plenty of them out there.

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:43 PM

6. How DARE those fascists enforce safe, sensible speed limits?

Americans have the GOD GIVEN RIGHT to drive as fast as they DAMN WELL PLEASE when there are no cops around!

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:46 PM

8. Spare me, this is just another revenue generating scheme

Like red light cameras in cities. Wow, 1-4 mph OVER?

– 1 to 4 mph over = $15

– 5 to 9 mph over = $35

– 10 to 19 mph over = $50

– 20 mph over = $100

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 03:30 PM

32. Trust me...If this HOA leadership is anything like the power-mad, little hitlers I've known in other

HOAs, then this enforcement will be completely arbitrary and rife with abuse

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:45 PM

7. If you ever had to deal with asshats going 50 in a 15 MPH zone...

You'd understand this is far from fascism, but common sense and a saftey issue.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:49 PM

10. Then get some cops out there and ticket

The fuckers doing that speed. Have them rewrite their charter to let local PD into their community if they have to. But 1-4 mph over. That has nothing to do with common sense or safety. That's all about the Benjamins.

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:04 PM

14. I'm sorry, I didn't realize you lived at this particular complex

and know every single detail about why this was implemented.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:11 PM

15. What? I can't agree with a member of said community?

Even though Powers had a couple of close calls, she doesn’t agree that the HOA should be running radar.

“No, that’s outside the boundaries of what the HOA was established to do. That is within the boundaries of what the law is supposed to do,” Powers told CBS4.

“Where do they go from there? Are they going to start inspecting your vehicles?” Brown asked.

The speed enforcement extends to anyone on the roads in Roxborough Park. Homeowners will be held accountable for their guests that speed through the neighborhood.


So if you come to my neighborhood and speed, I should have to pay a fine for you?

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:36 PM

5. Since when do we have fiefdoms with private cops and laws in the U.S.?

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:49 PM

11. ever since the concept of private property.

 

If they own and maintain the roads- they can make the rules.

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Response to BlueMan Votes (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:52 PM

18. IMHO, law enforcement is a government issue, not a private association issue.

This takes the concept of private property too far IMHO.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:03 PM

19. in the gated community- the private association IS the 'government'.

 

they're the ones who build and maintain the roadways. they aren't public roads, so no public government has any authority over them.

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Response to BlueMan Votes (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:10 PM

20. I don't agree that they are the government.

I dont think some association or business entity getting together confers the authority of government and I dont think if you want to buy a piece of land that any such association should have the ability to have power over you beyond what real elected officials and the laws they create have.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:13 PM

22. you don't have to agree.

 

but it IS private property, and they DO have the authority.

that's just how it works.

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Response to BlueMan Votes (Reply #22)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:17 PM

23. I dont agree they have the authority. Show me in the constitution where they have it. nt

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:53 PM

24. try the 10th amendment, for starters.

 

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


and the state says that the hoa has authority.

that's just how it works.

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Response to BlueMan Votes (Reply #24)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 03:08 PM

25. I disagree. The framers would never have allowed this to happen.

To suggest that the framers, who were obsessive about private property rights, and the right of every land owner to do what they wanted with their property, ever intended to allow a situation where a cartel like HOAs could dictate to private property owners what they could do with their land is completely inane.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 03:23 PM

27. Everyone who resides in an HOA-administered community has agreed to let them have their power. . .

Some HOAs overstep their bounds and must be reigned in, but until that happens anything they decide must be abided by the Residents. Doesn't matter what you or I or the lamppost on the corner think. Those who live there agreed to let the HOA have such power over them. And the HOA has the force of law behind them and can go so far as to foreclose on any homeowner who bucks the system. It sucks, but then, everyone who lives there agreed to such draconian, medieval rules when they signed the mortgage.

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Response to Journeyman (Reply #27)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 04:27 PM

34. Ah, the old "They agreed to hand over their rights" argument?

The problem with that is far too much of the country, in particular, many of the nice neighborhoods, are now monopolized by areas controlled by these organizations.

And, as is far too often, the wrong kinds of folks, those who crave and abuse power and are authoritarians, gain control of these organizations.

In the Constitution, there are protections for people in the minority. Where is the protection for those with minority viewpoints in HOA situations?

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #34)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 04:37 PM

37. the people in the minority have the right to move elsewhere...

 

if they decide that they don't like the rules that they agreed to when they bought the property.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 03:26 PM

30. the hoa IS/ARE the private property owners.

 

how hard is it to understand...really?

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Response to BlueMan Votes (Reply #30)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 04:23 PM

33. I was just going to say the same to you. How hard is it to understand? This is not the intent

of the framers.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #33)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 04:35 PM

36. sure it is.

 

the subdivision is PRIVATE property.

the framers were all about the rights of property owners.

and in this case- the property owners have banded together and made the rules for THEIR PROPERTY.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:47 PM

9. maybe they could find some kind of

crime watch jerkoff to be their Chief of Police?

Nothing bad could ever come of that, right?

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Response to onethatcares (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:50 PM

12. OK, so we've gone from $15 speeding fines to the death of Trayvon Martin,

in a mere 9 posts. Good to see DU connect the dots so quickly.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:53 PM

13. All part and parcel of those terrifc gated communities

That Progressive love so much.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:47 PM

16. I despise my HOA

 

Should have never let the wife talk me in to moving here.

Reitrement is 6 years away. Daughter out of the house in roughly 4.

Then I'm outta here. Will never live in this type of neighborhood again.

Those power freaks can shove it up their ass.

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Response to mick063 (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:11 PM

21. my hoa is ok. They keep order. Put in speed bumps a few years ago to slow

down the speeders. We have lil kids here.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:49 PM

17. the guy that owns the building I work in lives in Roxborough Park. Drives the Ferrari to work

almost every day.

That's the kind of neighborhood it is. Their private little millionaire fiefdom.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 03:22 PM

26. Just lower your sun visor to block out your face from the cameras. :P

 

Not that I condone speeding or driving unsafely. Just that I also frown upon living in a country where the public looks more and more like the inside of a prison (cameras everywhere watching everything).


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Response to Ya Basta (Reply #26)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 03:26 PM

29. Your car -- its license plate, make and color -- is registered when you enter the community. . .

They don't need to know who's driving. They aren't going after the driver. The HOA will assess the fine against the homeowner who gave permission for the vehicle to enter. It sucks. But then, the people who live there agreed to this when they signed the mortgage.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 03:26 PM

28. This happens in a neighborhood near me

If I go and visit someone in that neighborhood and I speed they get fined $250. They log your license at the gate and where you are going.

Pretty messed up if you ask me. I would never live there.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 03:29 PM

31. One of the man reasons to never ever live in a gated community.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 04:39 PM

38. I don't go to that area.

 

And never will.

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