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Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:35 PM

Does anybody else agree with me that it is time . . .

. . . to take the running of elections out of the hands of the states, and instead impose uniform national standards regarding voter eligibility, access to early voting, poll hours, etc.? What's going on with Rick Scott, not to mention the Secretary of State for Ohio, and other GOP officials around the country is simply ridiculous. What's more, the fact that these various suppression tactics must be challenged individually, in state courts, creates a needless difficulty for challenging electoral corruption. What do you all think?

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Reply Does anybody else agree with me that it is time . . . (Original post)
markpkessinger Nov 2012 OP
pnwest Nov 2012 #1
NYC_SKP Nov 2012 #2
flying_wahini Nov 2012 #3
Thekaspervote Nov 2012 #4
oldhippydude Nov 2012 #5
ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #35
Tigress DEM Nov 2012 #6
Tigress DEM Nov 2012 #7
Strelnikov_ Nov 2012 #8
Terra Alta Nov 2012 #53
easychoice Nov 2012 #9
SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #10
easychoice Nov 2012 #36
LukeFL Nov 2012 #25
easychoice Nov 2012 #38
ChiciB1 Nov 2012 #11
Timbuk3 Nov 2012 #13
randome Nov 2012 #52
cprise Nov 2012 #37
Scootaloo Nov 2012 #42
ChiciB1 Nov 2012 #51
Timbuk3 Nov 2012 #12
Chan790 Nov 2012 #28
synapticwave Nov 2012 #14
Amonester Nov 2012 #39
GoneOffShore Nov 2012 #15
Art_from_Ark Nov 2012 #47
GoneOffShore Nov 2012 #59
Art_from_Ark Nov 2012 #69
ConnorMarc Nov 2012 #16
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #17
markpkessinger Nov 2012 #20
nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #22
markpkessinger Nov 2012 #27
dchill Nov 2012 #45
ProfessionalLeftist Nov 2012 #18
Michigan Alum Nov 2012 #19
LukeFL Nov 2012 #21
lonestarnot Nov 2012 #23
aletier_v Nov 2012 #24
liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #26
Voice for Peace Nov 2012 #29
Liberal In Red State Nov 2012 #30
Dudette Nov 2012 #31
Amonester Nov 2012 #32
movingviolation Nov 2012 #33
jeff47 Nov 2012 #34
Amonester Nov 2012 #40
cherokeeprogressive Nov 2012 #54
LanternWaste Nov 2012 #57
cherokeeprogressive Nov 2012 #67
markpkessinger Nov 2012 #44
jeff47 Nov 2012 #55
Window Nov 2012 #41
allan01 Nov 2012 #43
JDPriestly Nov 2012 #46
markpkessinger Nov 2012 #48
TheAmbivalante Nov 2012 #49
avebury Nov 2012 #50
99Forever Nov 2012 #56
LeftinOH Nov 2012 #58
truebluegreen Nov 2012 #60
Jack Sprat Nov 2012 #61
librechik Nov 2012 #62
Blue Belle Nov 2012 #63
avebury Nov 2012 #64
Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #65
loyalsister Nov 2012 #66
Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #68

Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:39 PM

1. totally, utterly and 100% yes.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:40 PM

2. Agreed.

Better late than never.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:40 PM

3. I thinks it's a great idea. Just think of all the headaches we could have saved ourselves.

n/t

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:41 PM

4. Yes let's take it out of the hands of crooks like Ricky crap Scott!

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:43 PM

5. DOJ--->ALEC-->RICO... conspiracy to deny voting rights

follow the money....

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Response to oldhippydude (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:50 AM

35. +1 nt

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:44 PM

6. TIME TO END THESE DISCRIMNATORY PRACTICES!! YES

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:44 PM

7. America needs REAL Democracy.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:45 PM

8. Just thinkin the same last night.


Voted by mail over a month ago. Easy peasy.

Everyone, regardless of the state they live in, should have the same opportunity.

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Response to Strelnikov_ (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:31 AM

53. I agree.

Although voting by mail should not be mandatory. I prefer voting in person, that way my ballot won't "accidentally" get lost in the mail.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:46 PM

9. Obama could make it an executive order

Man, would that start some shit or what?

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Response to easychoice (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:49 PM

10. Yeah, and it would last

for the length of time it took for it to get to the SCOTUS and be ruled unconstitutional on a 9-0 vote.

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:51 AM

36. Obama is smarter than that

it was a joke,see the popcorn?

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Response to easychoice (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:48 PM

25. Yes it would but I'll support it

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Response to LukeFL (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:54 AM

38. It will take an act of congress but I would support it too.

executive order just isn't a legal path.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:57 PM

11. For Me, I Wish We Would Adopt Australia's Model!

They have to vote. Now, I'm a Liberal and it's sounds like a demand, but it could cut down on VOTER SUPPRESSION!

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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:04 PM

13. I'd add that

...election day should be a national PAID holiday.

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Response to Timbuk3 (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:29 AM

52. Election 'day' should be 30 days long.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:53 AM

37. I think its a good idea. But the best measure would be

to outlaw the disenfranchisement of any ex-convict who has served their time.

That would take away the incentive to push people through an expanding prison-industrial complex.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:16 AM

42. What's being a liberal got to do with it?

Every person in a democracy must pitch in, or hte democraxy doesn't work. Freedom does not mean "fuck you all I do whatever i want," it does come with responsibilities to your fellows.

We accept that Jury Duty is an essential and mandatory citizen function.
Most of us accept that taxation is an essential and mandatory citizen function.
Why should voting, the cornerstone of our system, be any different?

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #42)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:19 AM

51. Well, By RW Standards I'm Almost Sure

they would call that "too much government" control! Just sayin'

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Response to Timbuk3 (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:00 AM

28. Of all the possible reforms...

the only one I'll never support is national popular vote. It's an awful idea.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:12 PM

14. I'm not so sure.

Imagine how fucked we'd all be if Romney won and appointed Huested to run national elections? Having each state run their own election at least ensures that you have to corrupt multiple states (and usually multiple levels of gov't within the state) to secure an illegal election result. If it were all run by the federal government at the national level then you only have to rig it once at the top and you win.

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Response to synapticwave (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:57 AM

39. It depends on HOW much prevention and security is built in such electoral system.

For example, look elsewhere, like Canada:

Now commonly referred to as Elections Canada, the Office of the Chief Electoral Officer has imparted a legitimacy and a credibility to Canada’s electoral process that is unmatchable. This is explained largely by the fact that the position got off to a very good start in 1920 and that the statute initially establishing the Office was both well-designed and well-executed. All provinces and territories have fashioned a reasonably close institutional facsimile to
that of Elections Canada, and established and emerging democracies alike have repeatedly demonstrated that they value the advice and assistance of our election
Officials in establishing their own election machinery or in monitoring their elections.

This article focuses on five aspects of the Office of the Chief Electoral Officer: the Office’s origins, independence, responsibilities, responsiveness, and the impact on the Office and the Canada Elections.

PDF document: http://www.revparl.ca/30/1/30n1_07e_Courtney.pdf




Paper ballots, secured ballot boxes, all parties assign delegates to validate vote counts, et al.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:19 PM

15. It would have to be a Civil Service position and non - partisan.

Like the Office of Management and Budget.

I'd also like to see Congressional term limits that match Presidential terms but extend the President's term to two six year terms. Have Senators serve a maximum of two six year terms and have Congress Critters have two 4 year terms.

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Response to GoneOffShore (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:28 AM

47. I don't think you would really want to go into two 6-year-terms territory

for President. That could have meant 12 years of Reagan, and/or 12 years of GWB.

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #47)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 10:09 AM

59. The Brits do it and so do the French

This four year election cycle is useless.

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Response to GoneOffShore (Reply #59)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 07:05 AM

69. I disagree

Eight years of Reagan and eight years of junior bu$h were BAD ENOUGH.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:21 PM

16. Yes, I 100% Agree

However, it will 100% not pass, not a lick.

Repugs are too big on that "state power" crapolla...it won't fly for a second.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:21 PM

17. Yup, but it will require an amendment.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #17)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:42 PM

20. You're right -- big hurdle there

But maybe still worth pursuing, if only to draw attention to attempts to suppress voting, no?

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #20)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:46 PM

22. Short term, I want the DOJ to get involved

A few of these are felonies.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #22)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:57 PM

27. Absolutely! n/t

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #22)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:21 AM

45. +1

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:25 PM

18. YES. n/t

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:27 PM

19. Not sure. What if we end up with another Bush in office. It should be some non-politicians.

We probably need some International/U.N. group running it for a while. That's how bad it is. We are like a Banana Republic.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:45 PM

21. The only way to do this is by amending the

Constitution... We need congress. We dont have it.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:47 PM

23. Right fucking on brother!

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:48 PM

24. Be careful how much conformity you ask for

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:49 PM

26. I totally agree

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:39 AM

29. ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY and VERIFIABLY

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:43 AM

31. Without a doubt...

If all the shenanigans we've seen with GOP-controlled states suppressing the vote isn't enough to prove we need uniform standards, I don't know what would. America is supposed to be the shining example of Democracy. Rethugs have turned our electoral process into a mockery.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:43 AM

32. Agreed. It's long overdue. Look at the 'modern' world countries...

and none of them have to submit to such a chaotic system which is too prone to all kinds of criminal activities.

It makes no sense in the 21st Century!


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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:46 AM

33. I wholeheartedly concur!

I have thought this to be the way to go since 2000. We also have to do something about unverifiable voting machines and the companies that sell them being owned by candidates family members. I mean really, how can this even be allowed? It boggles the mind.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:48 AM

34. I have concerns with such a plan.

Let's say someone like Rick Scott manages to get elected President.

So now he gets to suppress the entire country, instead of requiring compliant governors/secretaries of state

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #34)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:02 AM

40. It should not be directed by any pol. It should be 'independent' ...

and that is the key which too many Americans have a big difficulty to understand.

(My reply #39) http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1724946

Otherwise, why even bother?

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Response to Amonester (Reply #40)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:37 AM

54. No one is neutral. n/t

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #54)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 09:21 AM

57. I imagine some are much less biased than others in regards to advancing any one political agenda...

I imagine some are much less biased than others in regards to advancing any one political agenda... the IRS for example is not really in the pockets or easily influenced by either party.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #57)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 06:00 PM

67. I'll concede the IRS point but we're not talking about the IRS.

We're talking about elections. Since elections and political agendas go hand-in-hand, my belief is that you'll find people who say they're impartial, but they won't be.

This system, the system of states running their own elections has worked for the entire time this country has been in existence. I see no reason to tamper with it other than tweaks here and there. Remember, the election of the President and Vice-President are the ONLY nationwide elections. The election of Senators and Congresscritters and every other office should be left in the hands of the states.

I'd say set another date for the Presidential election but that would impact county budgets way to negatively to be doable.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #34)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:19 AM

44. I envision a system. . .

...where -- and it may require a constitutional amendment to bring it abour -- the rules could not bw changed by executive fiat.

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #44)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:49 AM

55. There's a million details that won't and shouldn't be spelled out in an amendment

But those details would provide a means for disenfranchisement.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:14 AM

41. Absolutely!!! This crap is beyond ridiculous. I hope President Obama puts this on his agenda.

n/t

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:18 AM

43. re:Does anybody else agree with me that it is time . . .

yes yes yes yes.
1: standardize all the voting process. no mor loose knit odball voting processes , ie mail in ballots.2 : reverse citezens united and once and for all via constitionunal procces delcare that a corperation is not a citizen.
3: make all showey groups illegel .
4: inforce the non profit inilligeability of influencing politics. anyone crosses the line , swift action.
i5: if found any obstruction, imtimidation, outrite voteing fraud ,tampering with ballots , etc by any entity , swift prosocution by leagel athourities

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:26 AM

46. And while we are at it, let's end the electoral college system.

The electoral college deprives Americans in populous states, especially California, of an equal voice. I personally think that it deprives us of equality. The individual voters vote is not counted as equal to the individual votes of citizens in other states.

Should be unconstitutional. We do not enjoy equal protection before the law when it comes to electing the president.

And while we are establishing one uniform set of voting rules for the entire country and doing away with the electoral college, let's also do away with Citizens' United. One PERSON, one vote. Corporations should not be allowed to meddle in elections.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:44 AM

48. Okay, so I've created an online petition...

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 06:25 AM

49. OH HELL YES


Constitutional Amendment time!

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 06:31 AM

50. Totally agree! nt

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:52 AM

56. Yes, it's a no brainer.

And anyone caught doing voter suppression should be publicly executed.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 09:26 AM

58. YES! My polling place is usually an exercise in confusion and

miscommunication. Today was no different. The octogenarians who volunteer there are nice enough, but they are completely unable to handle long lines and how to communicate proper ballot procedures.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 04:49 PM

60. YES!

This country EMBARRASSES me with it's EXCEPTIONAL election processes. And another thing: let's limit election season to 90 days!

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 05:07 PM

61. Yeah, I know you're right.

 

Something passed into law that couldn't ever be revoked or altered. This is currently a broken and corrupt election system for many of our citizens. It's outrageous they are being discouraged and intimidated to suppress their votes. It's outrageous the election voting isn't carried on efficiently to streamline the process and avoid waiting in long lines, or that the ballots are electronic in some states and paper in others, that many ballots contain countless amendments requiring so much time per voter, and above all and everything that states require more precertified identity than other states.

I have said before and will say it again. When a nation actually allows voter suppression to occur and encourages it, then it relegates itself to the old Soviet style elections of the former Soviet Union.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 05:11 PM

63. I agree, except...

I don't want to give up the Oregon Vote by Mail system! Sorry. I really like it and it works really well.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 05:12 PM

64. Agreed! nt

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 05:14 PM

65. State's rights vs. Federalism, it's a very sticky problem. Perhaps imposing federal requirements

 

would be possible, but I don't see any way to take elections out of the hands of localities without a Constitutional Amendment.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 05:53 PM

66. Not I

Electioneering and most elections are local. City councils and county seat election do not run on schedule with national elections. In my state there are always local propositions and ordinances to vote on. Taxes can only be raised with popular vote approval. What kind of nightmare would that be if it were implemented nationwide! Would that standard be replaced against the will of the people who unfortunately voted it in, or would it need to be adopted federally?
I think it would be a disaster if people moved into states and took over the jurisdiction of SOS and county clerks. I think those professionals who know the territory and terrain should be maintained as the administrators of election laws and practices.

Some states amend their constitutions by popular vote, and not all of them are the same. It would be a giant mess, and the maladaptive "states rights" mentality would gain validity.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 07:10 PM

68. National elections should be nationally run to national standards. It's only rational. nt

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