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Fri Nov 2, 2012, 10:35 PM

Mitt Romney has already won. (Update)

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I'm beginning to think that Mitt knew all along he'd never win. But he knew what he could do was get millions of dollars in donations. Then Citizens United happened and suddenly the guy has a Billion dollars in his pocket.

This is Mitt Romney's business model: find a business with terrific assets and then squeeze every damned penny out of it and throw the husk away...and then probably get the taxpayers to cover the bankruptcy losses.

So, Mitt Romney saw the position of Presidential NOMINEE as a chance to bring in a Billion dollars. Does he get to keep it? No. Sort of. Yes. Because that's how Mitt Romney works. He figures out how to make the "sort of" situations pay off huge dividends.

So this is how the sort of shell game works: Mitt Romney brings in a billion dollars. He hires all his friends, he brings in all his rich country club buddies and pays them big bonuses. And then he spends the rest of the money on advertising. Several of his best friends own publishing companies. How much of that billion goes to them for printing stuff? The rest goes to TV and radio ads. Lots of that money is spent on Clear Channel. Bain Capital owns Clear Channel. Mitt Romney earns money off of every dollar Bain brings in. So Romney gets a billion, pays off all his buddies and gets a multi-million slice of the money as a dividend from Bain Capital, probably into some weird account that pays no taxes.

Mitt Romney has already won because he has managed to take millions and millions of dollars from the US people, millions more from businesses and even millions more from his buddies and turn it into the largest rip-off of the American people EVER.

He'll do anything to win but win or lose he's laughing all the way to the bank.

UPDATE: As this conversation has continued another piece of the puzzle has come together in my head. Now, don't get me wrong, I do think Mitt Romney wants to win badly. I think he feels he DESERVES to win. I remember a line from a Eurythmics song "like a Texan girl who thinks she has the right to something extreme, who has the right to everything". (or something close to that)

My point is, win or lose, want to win or don't care if you win, Romney still wins by walking away with a fortune in his pocket. Consider this: several websites have written articles wondering why Romney was buying ad time in areas where he is already sure to win or sure to lose. People were questioning why he had waited so long to make his purchases. The longer you wait, the more the airtime costs. It didn't make sense to anybody because that is not how you spend your money wisely when you are trying to win a race.

However, if your other goal is to spend all your money with your own company and your friend's companies, then you wait and spend it quickly and efficiently: at your own stations, wherever they are, but at the last minute so you take up as little airtime as possible (so you can sell what is left over at that high price to your other clients) but costing the highest amount possible.

See, Romney has made his whole life based on working out all the details of where you can squeeze more pennies out of everyone's pocket. He's just managed to do this on a national level. Bain will be writing him a very big check this year, based on Clear Channels profits, from all their ad sales to Mitt Romney and the Super Pacs.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 10:37 PM

1. Hmmm....definite food for thought!

There IS always an angle for Romeny....

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Response to Lucinda (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 11:15 PM

13. The flip side is he didn't realize he'd make a bunch of money off of clear channel

like they do every election year.

I almost imagine him and his friends sitting around realizing if they bought up radio and media they could run a candidate and use the news to build the candidate and the candidate would then get bigger donations. The candidate then spends the donation with the media. And then it ends up back in his pocket, this time as profits from his company.

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Response to DonRedwood (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 01:33 AM

31. Holy $hit! You're right!!!

He just made a complete mockery of the U.S. political system.

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Response to lexw (Reply #31)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:36 AM

56. The more details I think through the more it seems...well...duh.

He saw a way to make a fortune. He did it the first time he ran and he's been taking donations for six years now...get the donations, use it to buy ads on Clear Channels radio programs the Bain owns. Limbaugh, for instance, puts money in Romney's pockets every day. The more Clear Channel spreads his poison, the more money Mitt makes. Romney has figured out how to get the election system to make his media holdings profitable.

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Response to DonRedwood (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 01:41 AM

32. so many angles

Donations, sure. How about getting a piece of the voting machine market as well? I just can't believe so many people actually "support" this guy...

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Response to saveallthekids (Reply #32)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:39 AM

58. and then buy the media so they don't look into the voting machines.

it's just the rich, toying with the system and cheating at the game.

Beware the little foxes....

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Response to saveallthekids (Reply #32)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 05:04 PM

70. I'm having serious second thoughts about continuing any type of relationship

with anyone I know who supports this guy. If they are so ignorant they don't know or can't see what a shallow fraud the guy is then shame on them. If they know what he is & support him then shame on them. Either way, I want nothing to do with them.

Bush was sooooo bad, but Romney's even worse!

Welcome to DU!

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 10:38 PM

2. not even decent schadenfraude... n/t

 

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Response to a geek named Bob (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 11:26 PM

14. he seems to be the gloating type.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 10:38 PM

3. You mean the biggest rip-off yet

You should retitle your piece. Insightful but a scary header.

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Response to KatyBR (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 11:36 PM

16. Welcome to DU!

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 10:40 PM

4. Good theory. He Grifted the entire country

 

After the election, his personal fortune will probably increase by at least 25%.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 11:43 PM

17. And we'll never know just how much because he has already hid everything

we have no idea of his finances nor will we see how much they grow.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 10:41 PM

5. Classic case of heads I win and tales you lose.

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Response to Dem2TheCore (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 12:26 AM

20. we lose

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 10:43 PM

6. Actually he has won on the far away planet Kolob.

Soon he'll call for back up and silence you pesky earthlings.

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Response to Tutonic (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 11:10 PM

11. BWAHAHA!

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Response to Tutonic (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 12:44 AM

22. Next you'll be making fun of his magic underpants that give him mystical power.

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Response to Tutonic (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:37 AM

48. Have the Mormons figured out how to take it with you

Because that will be his regret in old age. All that wealth and he goes to Kolob in nothing 'cept his magic undies.

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Response to Generic Other (Reply #48)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:59 AM

53. Do they get to take their dancing horse?

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Response to DonRedwood (Reply #53)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:39 AM

57. Does slavery exist on Kolob?

I am thinking the answer is yes.

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Response to Generic Other (Reply #57)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:43 AM

59. If their are Bain Corp businesses in Kolob, then yes, for sure.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 10:43 PM

7. there certainly was no doubt that Mitt was going to make many millions off the election

of course, as you point out, he makes more if he uses his business/crony friends.

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Response to Divine Discontent (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 12:54 AM

23. and all their businesses...just like he did during the Olympics

all those millions of taxpayer dollars going to his friends.

If he was President he could do it on a massive scale.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 10:47 PM

8. Despite what you say, he really, really, really wants the White House.

At least to get Ann off his back. She was probably hiring interior decorators back in August and now her only pleasure will be firing them.

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Response to GoneOffShore (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 01:09 AM

25. I completely agree

I think he wants it terribly. I think he feels he DESERVES it. But he wins no matter if he loses. It is the perfect scam. WIn big if you lose, win even bigger if you win..............

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 10:48 PM

9. I firmly believe Rmoney is a believer in the White Horse Prophecy

The $$'s great but deep down, he thinks he's some kind of messiah....

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 11:11 PM

12. But apparently the Salt Lake City newspaper doesn't agree. They endorsed Mr. Obama and said

the Mittwit isn't "trustworthy". Remember recently when his campaign was "low" on money? I think most of his donations were deposited in the Cayman's a long time ago. I've never seen a candidate try so hard not to win. He doesn't want the job; he just wants the money.

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Response to Booster (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 01:11 AM

26. Salt Lake Tribune actually is fairly independent

Deseret News is Mormon-owned, and is a shill.

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Response to Booster (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 01:11 PM

66. 75% is the romney support in utah (according to huffpo)

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #9)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 01:31 AM

29. that's the impression I've got from the man

 

truly egotistic

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #9)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:29 AM

43. I agree. He seems to feel he should be crowned king. I mean, made president.

He wants it very badly so he can live in history as the first Mormon President.

BUt he's worked it out so that if he loses, he wins.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 10:52 PM

10. If we are lucky he will lose. If we are really lucky he'll get prosecuted. n/t

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Response to D23MIURG23 (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:07 AM

39. And if we are extrodinarily lucky.......

.....he will end up having to pay back all of the money that was spent on him out of his own coffers.

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Response to left on green only (Reply #39)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 01:37 PM

67. wouldn't that be sweet? why isn't there a law about spending the money with your own company?

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 11:29 PM

15. woah! interesting take!

 

it does seem to explain away a few odd things, doesn't it?

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Response to Whisp (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 11:52 PM

18. like all the big ad buys in non-competitive states?

someone posted recently that he was buying up ads in places he is winning and losing.... instead of the swings.

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Response to DonRedwood (Reply #18)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 12:00 AM

19. I think you are onto something.

 

It's like a final piece of a puzzle has been set.
Things like his repeated lying, for one. His flop flipping and all that bizarre stuff he says and does.

Yep. Biggest scam in the history of history. If there's money to be had, Rmoney will find a way for it to get into his personal pockets.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #19)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:53 AM

60. and he can run up huge debt that he writes off

why else did his campaign start taking loans? A billion dollars coming in this year and you need loans??

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 12:37 AM

21. Bullshit

If Romney was that shrewd of a businessman, he would have won the election.

Romney thought it was going to be an easy road to the White House because of the economy and a sitting black president. He underestimated the strength of the Obama campaign and is now going to have an early retirement.

There is no conspiracy. Romney tried his best and lost.

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Response to gravity (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 01:47 AM

35. Exactly.

He figured Obama was weakened by the economy,
and historically that would be right,
except hstory doesn't always repeat.

Romney thought he could toss some money out
and cake-walk into the White House.

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #35)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 12:01 PM

61. Clear Channel makes a fortune off every election

you think he doesn't know that? He just made "candidate" into a huge money maker.

I'm not saying he didn't want to win, he really wants this--but he knows, no matter what, that bain is writing him an extra big check this year.

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Response to gravity (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:34 AM

45. conspiracy? never said there was. I sad win or lose he makes a fortune.

Or he is totally unaware that the he gets a cut of what Bain makes off of Clear Channel? He just forgot that every penny he spends with them he gets a kick-back?

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Response to DonRedwood (Reply #45)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 12:19 PM

63. He would have got the same money if Gingrich was running

And the kickback would be rather small since it is only from billboard and radio ads. The money going in TV won't come back to him.

Being an ex-presidential candidate can make you get money from book deals, speaking appearances and Viagra commercials, but it is small in comparison to what he was bringing with his private equity business.

I am just saying that Romney thought that he would win the race or he would have not as ran. I don't see him hedging his bets being a factor because he would have made more money if he continued working at Bain instead of being Governor then running for President twice.

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Response to gravity (Reply #63)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 12:40 PM

64. I agree. He thought he would win but Gingrich would be spending that money with HIS friends.

But with him buying chunks of advertising time in states that are solid for him or solidly against him he is choosing to spend the campaign money at the media outlets he owns or his friends own. Gingrich would be buying only where it helped him to win. There is a difference in who gets what money in that scenario.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 01:08 AM

24. Well if Mitt won something other than his riches...

Wonder how it will feel when Mittens loses his home state of Michigan, the state he was Governor of Massachusetts and his running mate Paul Ryan state of Wisconsin....on Tuesday, November 6th.

Food for thought....

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 01:15 AM

27. Don't Buy It

Romney may have profited from this - his kind of slime usually does - but I don't see him willing to take on the loss of reputation that this will end up bringing. He will be the man who lost to Obama. His career in politics is over. His personal standing has taken a profound beating, and he's been beat up in public not once but twice. I don't see Romney as the kind of person who would deliberately seek out being made to look like a fool, to risk federal investigations into his taxes and personal finances and to potentially drag down the entire Republican ticket just to make a few million dollars.

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Response to kurt_cagle (Reply #27)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 01:32 AM

30. oh, I'm not saying he didn't think he would win--I think he was SURE he would win

but he knew he would make fortune regardless. I saw on the front of DU that 6 billion have been spent this year on election ads. Imagine how much of that was to Bain owned Clear Channel. Of course ROmney knows exactly how much money he will make off the ad sales.

Those are the details he likes to follow.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 01:29 AM

28. That is interesting. Thx.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 01:43 AM

33. You hit the nail on the head- Win Or Lose the Mittster wins - SICK!!

Thanks for the great analysis of a perverted system run amuck where the loser

wins and thumbs his nose at all of us. I think I'm gonna throw up now

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Response to SoCalDemGrrl (Reply #33)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:27 AM

55. I wonder how many Bain owned print shops got even more campaign money?

Doesn't Gingrich own some publishing? He probably does the same thing. Get donations, pay the money to his printing company, reap the profits that now have no campaign funding rules attached.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 01:45 AM

34. Who cares? How much money is enough?

Romney is dysfunctional in this regard.
He's sacrificed a lot to earn money which is meaningless.

He is the poster boy for the Sin of Avarice,
and I don't understand why religious people can't see it.

He has destroyed thousands of lives for nothing except a bank account number.

Democrats hate him.
Republicans hate him.

He clearly has mental problems.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 01:51 AM

36. Makes me go Hmmmm...

but I'm not reccing it at a time like this.

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Response to cprise (Reply #36)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:35 AM

46. That's OK... I will take your Hmmmmm...as a thoughtful pause.

Sometimes in here just getting people to stop and think of a new angle is a win. :0)

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:12 AM

37. Well said, but I disagree

I absolutely believe Romney thought he would win. However, I don't think he's a complete dumbass, so he probably had a contingency plan that went something like this: losing = getting more money.

Mitt's going to be ok. He's not going to die in a cardboard box in a alley. He and his family are never going to be hungry. They're always going to enjoy the finer things in life. That's how it is.

But Mitt's been running for President for eight years..he's had the financing,he was running against a relatively unpopular incumbent, he's had help from the media. Everything was going his way...all he had to do to win was show up, and not suck.

He got the showing up part right, but totally missed the mark on not sucking. He let everybody see that he is a plastic man in an expensive suit. He's a joke.

He may have already "won" when it comes down to dollars and cents..congrats to him. But the thing that he wanted most, that he worked hardest at, that he had the most help with, isn't his...because he just flat out blew it. His name will be a punchline for the brief period of time that people actually remember it. Mitt Romney is a loser.

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Response to Captain Stern (Reply #37)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:20 AM

38. Welcome to DU, Captain Stern!

Congratulations on your beautifully written post! If you keep up this level of discourse, you will make a good name for yourself in very short order!

I look forward to seeing more of your posts.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #38)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:13 AM

40. Thank you..

..for the kind words, CaliforniaPeggy.

I'm more of a reader than a writer (after all, you learn more by listening than by speaking), I've been reading here for a couple of years, so I figured I should write a little too. Thanks for the warm welcome.

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Response to Captain Stern (Reply #40)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 12:49 PM

65. I only read for a loooooong time...now poor DU can't shut me up

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Response to Captain Stern (Reply #37)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:37 AM

49. Welcome to DU!

Well, how about this:

As a politician he is a big loser.

As a man who profits by skimming money away from everything he gets his hands on, he just won another big one.

He will mope and lick his wounds and be forgotten but, he'll be moping in an all-new, even larger than ever pile of money.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:17 AM

41. I couldn't disagree more. I think your theory is absurd and overwrought.

It's nuts to think that running for the presidency is about money for Mitt. He has plenty of that. He could get more if that was his chief desire. It's clear that it's not. He's after power. He believes that he is a great man. His father failed at his goal of achieving the presidency. Mitt ios desperate to be President. I think he believes it's his fate- and I think that because of what he and Ann have said.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:43 AM

42. DON'T FORGET THOSE FOREIGN FUNDRAISERS ESPECIALLY THE ONE IN ISRAEL. No reporters allowed

in so we don't know who was there NOR do we know who donated or HOW the checks got written.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:30 AM

44. As always, the banster vulture capitalist, all the way to the bank!

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:35 AM

47. Except that he can't...

...keep any of the money himself. his campaign can give it to other campaign funds, but unless he's going to do something as blunt as hire a relative for $1 million a hour (which he's not), it doesn't do him any good.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #47)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:47 AM

51. Well, the trick is

He's spending it on his buddies in the media (Clear Channel), and getting that money back as profits or dividends through Bain Capital (which owns Clear Channel).

It's like a giant money laundering scheme. Someone with Mitt's level of wealth and income certainly knows how to launder that money and make a massive profit on it. What we should be looking at is his tax return for the NEXT two years.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:39 AM

50. Let Romney Have His $1 Billion.


It's worth every penny to prevent him from being president.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #50)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:04 AM

54. EXACTLY...

Fuck you and scam cash...........

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:47 AM

52. Changing the election system is essential

 

and that will require getting rid of one or more of the Citizens United five. The Republicans want to do to all of us what the dixiecrats did to minority groups, this is an important thing that requires correction. The house of correction, as well.

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Response to Anthony McCarthy (Reply #52)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 12:06 PM

62. Republicans are desperate to make money important

because they are losing bodies.

They have nothing else to make up for that loss.

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Response to Anthony McCarthy (Reply #52)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:41 PM

68. Think of all the good that could have come from a billion dollars

but instead it ends up in Rupert Murdoch and Mitt Romney's pockets.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:33 PM

69. Updating with a little more input

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 08:33 AM

71. Don, I'm now more sure you were right on this:

 

Why else would Rmoney look so happy and eye glinting in his concession speech?

I swear!



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Response to Whisp (Reply #71)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:59 PM

73. I'll let you know when I see campaign finances and we see how much he spent on clear channel

billion? billion dollars to bain owned companies? I wouldn't be surprised!

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:37 PM

72. kick

 

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