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Fri Nov 2, 2012, 06:50 PM

 

Why should I vote for Obama?

Obama has carried on the assault on public education with his Race to the Top and various other education policies. He has an Education secretary whose unstated goal seems to be destroying the public education system. As a teacher, I see no reason to vote for Obama.

Obama has continued the war in Afghanistan, and insured that troops will be in that country for at least another twelve years. Furthermore, he has expanded our military operations by the increasing use of drones in various countries throughout the world, killing innocents and violating the sovereignty of countries in Asia, Africa and the Middle East. As an anti-war activist, I see no reason to vote for Obama.

Obama has codified the excesses of the Bush era spying programs. Warrantless wiretapping, the increase of the police state, hell, even a personal kill list of people, be they American citizens or otherwise. As a person who values my civil liberties and civil rights, I see no reason to vote for Obama.

Obama has given us a health care system that is now going to be driven by the insurance industry, with no public option, few cost controls, and an individual mandate that will force me to purchase insurance from a for profit insurance agency. As one who has been concerned about health care policy in this country for the past thirty odd year, I find this solution to be a risky one at best, and no reason to vote for Obama.

Obama has failed to fight for his economic policies, and this is evident in the fact that our economy is still very weak. A stimulus that contained more tax cuts for the rich and well off, and little Keynesian power, I have been dismayed that Obama spent three years being above the fray and not fighting for workers and general improvement in the economy. As a result, we have just bumped along the bottom, while real people continue to suffer real harm from long term unemployment and under-employment. This is not a reason to vote for Obama.

Obama has seriously entertained the "reform" of Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid in his on again, off again flirtation with the brutal austerity dictates of the Catfood Commission. One gets the sneaky feeling that these "reforms" are going to be enacted only after the election, when Obama has the votes he needs to remain in office. As a person who is in the autumn of my life, I don't find this to be a reason to vote for Obama.

The fact of the matter is that, as a liberal in general, I find no reasons at all to vote for Obama, just one major reason to vote against Romney, namely that Romney will be far worse in all of these areas than Obama has been.

What a sad statement that is.

The Democratic party has moved so far to the right that it only looks left in comparison to the batshit crazy Republicans. I will be voting for Obama and Democrats on Tuesday only as a means of keeping those Republicans out of power. That is not a good way to run a party or a country. For what this does, this devolution of our political system that pits the center right against the batshit crazy right, is only insure that no progressive, liberal voices are heeded, despite the fact that it is those self same liberal voices and liberal policies that have provided true progress in our country's history.

So, once again, I find myself voting for the lesser of two evils, and hating myself for doing so, trapped by the fact that there are no viable alternatives. There will be no celebration in my house Tuesday night if Obama wins, only the certainty that we will continue to descend into a corporately controlled police state perpetually at war, albeit it at a slower pace than if Romney wins.

Congratulations, no matter who wins the election, we have all lost in the long run. Peace out.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 06:51 PM

1. The Supreme Court

That's enough for me.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 06:55 PM

8. +1

Indeed. That is the biggest reason to vote for the president.

If I was unfortunate enough to live in any of the swing states, I would damn sure vote for Obama.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:04 PM

17. +4 (justices over 70 years old) nt

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 10:46 PM

124. Boom. OP owned on the first answer.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:09 PM

263. Obama appointed Elena Kagan who, as Solicitor General,

advocated for an even longer prison sentence for Don Siegelman, a man who had dared to go after Exxon.

Protect corporate interests and be rewarded.

Four justices were unwilling to hear the domestic eavesdropping case.

Supreme Court Lets Stand Telecom Immunity In Wiretap Case
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=260709

Source: Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court is leaving in place a federal law that gives telecommunications companies legal immunity for helping the government with its email and telephone eavesdropping program.

The justices said Tuesday they will not review a court ruling that upheld the 2008 law against challenges brought by privacy and civil liberties advocates on behalf of the companies' customers. The companies include AT&T, Inc., Sprint Nextel Corp. and Verizon Communications Inc.

Lawsuits filed by the American Civil Liberties Union and Electronic Frontier Foundation accused the companies of violating the law and customers' privacy through collaboration with the National Security Agency on intelligence gathering.

The Supreme Court pick is an empty threat.

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Response to OnyxCollie (Reply #263)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:52 PM

281. And Romney's appointments would be better?

LOL

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #281)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:32 PM

305. Where did I say that?

Your reading comprehension is lacking, as is your argument for Obama's SCOTUS picks.

Ha ha. I laugh at your pathetic attempt at rebuttal.

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Response to OnyxCollie (Reply #263)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 01:33 PM

342. Bravo.

 

Thank you for reminding everyone of the disgrace that Obama sidled us with.

The Supreme Court is not a winning election issue for us because Obama's already made sure the Court is beyond our reach for another two decades.

Focus on the issues that we can win with: taxes, jobs, the economy, foreign policy.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 06:52 PM

2. if you dont, I will beat you with a piece of garden hose

Peace

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 06:55 PM

9. Really?

 

Somehow I doubt it. Yes, I'm in my fifties. I'm also 6'5", am well versed in handling myself in a fight. While anti-war, I'm not a pacifist. So please, don't make any threats you can't back up.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 06:58 PM

11. I'm kidding of course, but if you cant tell the difference between O and R$....

Oh, and I'm 6'6'' 220....with dark hair and a tan and charming disposition..

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:19 PM

24. LOL ...

Great response!

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:49 PM

83. I'm 11'3", and I eat punks like you for breakfast.

Monty Python. (Because this entire thread is Theatre of the Absurd.)

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 09:48 PM

117. Awesome!

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 05:21 AM

166. Where the hell did the OP say that s/he couldn't tell the difference between the two? - try reading

again, this time for comprehension.

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Response to kath (Reply #166)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 12:40 PM

225. The entire OP says that. If you cant figure out why to vote for one person over another...

that is exactly what that means.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #225)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 01:39 PM

235. The OP does no such thing. Clearly says "just one major reason to vote against Romney, namely that

Romney will be FAR WORSE in all of these areas than Obama has been.

The OP also clearly states that s/he is voting for Obama, because (again) Romney will be far worse.

Is basic reading really that difficult for so many here??

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #225)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 09:51 PM

303. stevenleser, I asked you a question down below.

Last edited Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:48 PM - Edit history (1)

I would appreciate a clear answer as to why you post that I am a person who should be given "points" for not using an ethnic slur.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #9)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:17 AM

215. That is your only reply in the flamefest you started?

Really? You could have at least flushed before leaving the room.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:55 PM

89. very classy, using a violence metaphor

 



You are a real tough guy, aren't you.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #89)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 05:09 AM

164. Well...

 





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Response to Shining Jack (Reply #164)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:42 PM

239. Oh, thanks, I love those! *steals for later use*

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 06:52 PM

3. Between this, and the tears of the Freepers, I'm feeling pretty good. nt

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 05:13 PM

284. their bitter tears are nectar to my soul...

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 06:53 PM

4. Ahem...

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 06:53 PM

5. Obama and Dems live

in the current day universe. Thuglicans live in some alternate and previously unknown universe. That and the Supreme Court is enough for me.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 06:54 PM

6. Don't vote for him. Then I can have hopes that you and your friends are of Draft age.

Sick of the lame purists who think that their deep deep thoughts are more important than our families getting out of poverty, or someone's dying child getting health care FINALLY after being born with a "pre-existing condition."

I expected this from you.. all election season long. Was surprised you didn't do your big drama-queen thing on Monday night, though. That's usually the traditional time for this stupid pleas for attention (guess you wanted to beat the rush.)


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Response to progressivebydesign (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 12:42 AM

146. 'We have not yet begun to suffer.' Some can afford to wait for Godot. Some can't.

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Response to progressivebydesign (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 06:57 AM

176. +1,000,000! Sadly predictable...

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Response to progressivebydesign (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 03:01 AM

324. +10 and then -1 because I don't wish the DRAFT on ANYONE.

 

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 06:55 PM

7. SSDD

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Response to greatauntoftriplets (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 06:59 PM

12. You Better Believe It!!!! nt

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:38 PM

74. ...

You betcha!

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Response to greatauntoftriplets (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:34 PM

70. .

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #70)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:37 PM

72. Hi buddy!!

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 06:56 PM

10. ...



Sid

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:00 PM

13. There's lots to be glad about

if you compare it to good ole Bush days. Good lasting change is slow & hard. What matters most is the direction we're heading & the progress already made. It's miserable to live a life of half-empty cup.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:01 PM

14. Maybe you can vote for Nader instead?



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Response to regnaD kciN (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 02:01 AM

318. LOL!

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:01 PM

15. I love you MadHound. We work on this in days to come and thank God every day

Obama is in a position to beat the 2 most evil politicians I have ever seen in my life. So we work to pull our party back to the left. I know in my heart they only reason we are having this discussion is because of what Obama has to work with. We will win, Tuesday night and for the next four years. Peace to you MadHound.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #15)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 07:07 AM

178. You love MAD MIND after this latest diatribe? Yawn...

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Response to RBInMaine (Reply #178)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 09:56 AM

203. Mad is a long time DUer that I have had a lot of

respect for, this poster has been here longer than you. MadHound was here fighting the good fight against Bush for some of the policies Obama has embraced. I can understand the disappointment, but the disappointment passes. And in Obamas next term there is more work to be done and we need every Democrat we can get, disappointed or not to change some of those policies. Mad stated he is voting for Obama, what the fuck else do you want? Yawn yourself, I'm wide awake and ready to fucking get it done.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:03 PM

16. Congratulations.

You've turned bottomless cynicism, political myopia and existential despair into performance art. Bad performance art, maybe, but still...

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Response to DemocratsForProgress (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:57 PM

94. I would have to add self indulgent political self gratification.


"bottomless cynicism, political myopia, self indulgent political self gratification, and existential despair . . "


carry on.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #94)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 11:27 PM

129. Yes, that works.

Thanks.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #94)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:52 PM

240. Waitng:

Waiting for Godot follows a pair of men who divert themselves while waiting expectantly, vainly for someone named Godot to arrive. They claim he's an acquaintance but in fact hardly know him, admitting that they would not recognize him when they do see him. To occupy the time they eat, sleep, converse, argue, sing, play games, exercise, swap hats, and contemplate suicide – anything "to hold the terrible silence at bay".

Dammit, where's my socialist utopia? I vote for it every year!

Waiting, waiting...






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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:05 PM

18. Ain't it obvious?

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:06 PM

19. Why should I read your one sided whine fest?

Why would I care that someone who obviously hates Obama isn't voting for him?

You've been at DU for over 32K pots and you haven't been able to read up on all the previous positive posts? I Why should anyone take one moment now to assuage your outrage, when you've have 4 years to read all the positived so many hundreds here have posted and responded to.

So dearest MadHound, do what you what. I don't give rat's ass.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #19)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:22 PM

28. Amen.

Couldn't have said it better.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #19)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:36 PM

35. +1

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Response to FSogol (Reply #35)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:00 PM

45. That is brilliant.

Obama at his worst is a far better option then Romney at his "best". Romney scares the hell out of me. So I am happily voting for President Obama.

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Response to Jennicut (Reply #45)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:29 PM

366. Isn't that EXACTLY what the OP said?

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Response to FSogol (Reply #35)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:16 PM

51. This cartoon makes the same argument as the OP.

In case you didn't notice.

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #51)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:19 PM

54. Actually it makes the opposite argument

Which apparently you didn't notice.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #54)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 07:49 AM

191. One doesn't notice these things. One reads them.

The OP isn't making it as funny or as simple or as handy for all the people in denial that the same powers and policies will be in force regardless of winner. But that is also implicit in the cartoon. (Which doesn't mean there is no difference or that you shouldn't vote for Obama). Sorry if that doesn't fit the convenient black-and-white worldview desired around here.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #54)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 05:00 AM

346. Actually it does make the exact same argument that the OP makes.

He should take it and include it in the OP because apparently there are people here who are unable to read and understand anything more than a couple of sentences (I've been told it is not intelligent to write more than TWO sentences here) but it appears they understand a cartoon.

Excellent rendition of what the entire OP just said.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #35)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:20 PM

55. +2, the cartoon is right

 

madhound could have posted it into his OP to reinforce it.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #55)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:29 PM

64. Another fail.

As desperate as Romney.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #64)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:31 PM

66. If you want to make the OP's argument go right ahead

 

You remind me of freepers who can't process any opinion but their own.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #66)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:32 PM

67. LOL, whatever dude.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #64)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 05:02 AM

347. Are you serious? That cartoon says exactly what the OP said. If you thought it

was some kind of contradiction then the 'fail' are those who thought so.

Madhound SHOULD include it in the OP as it is exactly what he said.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #55)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 10:40 PM

123. +3

Actually, it's an excellent cartoon to illustrate Madhound's point.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #123)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 12:45 PM

227. Madhounds point is that even Obama at his worst is light years better than Romney at his best?

Nope, dont think so.

Nice try though... oh, well, no, it really wasnt a nice try either.

I'll give you points for not using an ethnic slur in your post. How about that?

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #227)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 09:44 PM

302. stevenleser, what is this comment supposed to mean?

Last edited Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:48 PM - Edit history (1)

"I'll give you points for not using an ethnic slur in your post. How about that?"

Please explain to me why this comment was directed at me.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #302)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 12:58 AM

309. Your logic was a fail, so I had to give you points for something. nt

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #309)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 01:28 AM

310. No, stevenleser, You brought the subject of posting racist garbage into this conversation.

Tell me why you brought up that topic in reference to me, because it is a vile reference, and i do not appreciate it.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #310)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 01:08 AM

314. Yes, woo. You dont get to tell me what I meant by what I said. nt

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #314)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 01:45 AM

315. stevenleser, why did you raise the topic of making racist posts in reference to me?

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Why did you raise this disgusting topic in reference to me?

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #315)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 01:46 AM

316. I refer you to the first answer I gave in #309 when you asked that. nt

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #316)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 01:48 AM

317. No, stevenleser, You brought up this particular subject.

Why did you feel the need to raise the topic of racist posts in reference to me?

I am certain you did not have a seizure, so why bring up that disgusting topic in reference to me?

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #317)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 02:05 AM

319. I refer you to the first answer I gave in #309 when you asked that. nt

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #319)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 02:08 AM

320. Your choice to bring up RACIST POSTS in reference to me is what I am asking about.

You chose, out of the blue, that particular, disgusting topic to mention in reference to me.

Why, stevenleser? I think I deserve an explanation and an apology.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #320)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 02:18 AM

321. I refer you to the first answer I gave in #309 when you asked that. nt

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #321)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 02:48 AM

322. You are the one who wanted to talk about racism, stevenleser.

Last edited Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:50 PM - Edit history (1)

Let's talk about why you brought it up. Let's talk about why you brought it up in reference to me.



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Response to stevenleser (Reply #321)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 05:05 AM

348. I just read this exchange and Woo is correct. Why did you make that statement

in reference to Woo, completely out of the blue? You definitely owe an apology here instead of digging deeper. That would be the decent thing to do.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #348)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 08:04 AM

358. Thank you, Sabrina. stevenleser's behavior here is an embarrassment to DU.

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This sort of cheap, despicable smear in lieu of argument should have no place among adults on DU. stevenleser should be very ashamed.

steveleser advertises in his posts that he debated on Fox News, apparently trying to lay claim to some professional rhetorical proficiency. Perhaps this is what one learns there. What a low, cheap, and embarrassing display from a self-proclaimed professional this is.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #55)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:17 AM

214. Indeed. nt

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Response to FSogol (Reply #35)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:37 PM

71. I dont think your post is what you wanted to post in support of Obama

 

It kind of shows the same rightward direction that this country is going.

You might want to delete that post

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Response to argiel1234 (Reply #71)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:42 PM

78. And I don't think the Obama bashers* understand that

any criticism they have of Obama is peanuts compared to how Romney and his team of John Bolton, Paul Ryan, and Robert Bork would be on their best day. Jen Soresen's comic makes this point brilliantly without being (what the bashers like to term) an Obama cheerleader.


*using the term generically, not referring to you specifically.

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Response to argiel1234 (Reply #96)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 09:01 PM

101. Huh?

Whatever.

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Response to argiel1234 (Reply #96)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 09:03 PM

102. I know what a zombie is...

you seem very familiar with the DU hot buttons and histories for someone who's been here for a week. What was or were your previous DU name(s)?

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #102)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 09:10 PM

109. .

 

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Response to argiel1234 (Reply #109)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 09:12 PM

110. Exactly...nt

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #110)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 09:15 PM

111. ?

 

exactly what?

You laughed at me so I laughed back

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #102)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 07:50 PM

290. Sid...why would a Canadian get so worked up they do 7 posts on this thread?

Take a break...relax. Focus time on your own elections. We are cool here in the USA ...you don't need to hypervent and face a heart attack over what goes on here.

Seriously. It's just TOO MUCH hyperbole. Not good for the health.

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Response to KoKo (Reply #290)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 08:29 PM

296. "Koko", why would you take the time to count everyone's posts in this thread?...

or did you only count mine? And what does that say about you, if it was only mine??

If it's OK with you, I may even post a couple more.

Is that OK?

Sid

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Response to KoKo (Reply #290)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 05:56 AM

357. well to be fair ...

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I counted others with plenty more posts than Sid. I mean, if you're counting posts. Just to be fair. Right?

Or is it because he's Canadian? Isn't he allowed to opine?

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #357)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 07:04 PM

363. He kind of seems to get too involved in American Politics and sounds sometimes like.......

well...the "dark side," for my taste having been here so many years.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #78)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 03:00 PM

246. Obamabots = Obama Lovers = Obama cheerleaders. Obvious insult is obvious.


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Response to FSogol (Reply #35)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:38 PM

275. That cartoon makes Obama look really bad

Was that your intention?

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #275)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:42 PM

277. No it doesn't. It takes on every non-birther criticism of Obama & shows how it is superior

to Romney's intentions.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #277)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 05:19 PM

285. Wrong. Those are complaints of the Democratic base n/t

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #285)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 06:03 PM

286. Wrong, the Democratic base SUPPORTS Obama's reelection.



I know this because I am that base.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #286)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 06:19 PM

287. They support reelection in spite of their complaints

Which is pretty much what this OP (that has the McCarthyites shitting themselves) was all about

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Response to FSogol (Reply #277)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 05:16 AM

352. That cartoon is exactly what Madhound's OP says. n/t

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #19)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 01:04 AM

153. Can you not READ?

The OP said he was voting for Obama.

Jeebus.

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Response to kath (Reply #153)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 12:28 AM

308. did you not read what I said?

Jeebus...I couldn't give a fux who MadHound votes for.

I was responding to the portion of the post where Madhound wants everyone else to spoon feed him reasons to vote for Obama....something assuage his final misery and reluctant vote.

He's been spoon fed the good and the positive, the real life stories and the examples of what is correct and decent about Obama for years, and now he wants synopsis #8,554 three days before the election?

Jeebus, back off bub, your poutrage is pathetic.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #19)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 07:09 AM

180. .../...

I might've said, "I don't give a flying fuck", but other wise, you speak for me, Sheep!

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #19)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:07 AM

208. thank you

nuff said.

No one ever said Obama was perfect but I have no problems not only voting for the guy but campaigning for him too.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:12 PM

20. This is frankly a lot of whiny bullshit

Consider the alternative. Because you know, President McCain, had he been elected, would be far worse. So would Romney. Most of your points amount to at best naive idealism and at worst foolishness.

Afghanistan: "well I think that the US should just walk away from drawn-out conflicts and neglect our obligation to both the local government and our obligation to our allies who are also committed in the region"

Drones: "we should just ignore the Pashtun tribal warlords in Pakistan who are launching terrorist attacks against American troops across the Afghan border even though Pakistan can't or won't do anything about them"

Healthcare reform: "Obama should have pushed for single payer even though the votes were never there because I'd feel better about a noble, failed effort than the actual reform we have"

Economy: "The US economy is growing at a rate of 2% which is significantly higher than the UK or Eurozone, amid continuing global economic difficulties, and with lower unemployment, but it's just not good enough and Obama should have done more despite Republican Congressional obstructionism". (Go take a look at the rest of the world sometime. And while you're at it look at how long it took for the economy to recover after the 1929 crash.)

Waah. So don't fucking vote, then.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:14 PM

21. then you should vote for someone else.

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Response to spanone (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:23 PM

29. Who's he kidding? ...

After everything they've posted here, we all know that the OP would have to unreasonably compromise their principles in order to cast a vote for the lesser of the two evil candidates.



Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #29)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:40 PM

77. who will you be voting for ?

 



You seem to ignore the point

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Response to argiel1234 (Reply #77)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:54 PM

87. ...



Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #87)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:59 PM

100. why is it funny to you

 

Im sure you can vote for our President, so why are you laughing?

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Response to argiel1234 (Reply #100)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 09:05 PM

103. Welcome back, again...



Sid

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Response to argiel1234 (Reply #100)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 12:04 AM

135. Sid is Canadian. nt

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Response to spanone (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 12:46 PM

228. And OP should go somewhere else. nt

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:16 PM

22. A train that's never late.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #22)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:33 PM

33. The Original Poster knows exactly what time for the train to leave the tracks...

you know, so that the train doesn't derail.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #22)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 07:19 AM

184. Even in the wake of an unprecedented natural catastrophe...

Toot! Toot! Here comes the MadHound Express, barreling straight down the line, more punctual than Old Faithful!

You can set your watch by ole Mad...

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #22)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 03:17 PM

254. And always sounds the same horn, plowing through bodies it can't see.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:17 PM

23. If you can't find any of the GOOD things that Obama has done then perhaps ...


you haven't looked at ALL of what he has done.

There's no way that you can be against everything he has done.

Lots of links of lists of what President Obama has done here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022255



p.s. I feel sad for you that you are looking at the re-election of OUR PRESIDENT so negatively.
I will pray for you



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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #23)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 03:20 PM

258. Tx4obama, :)

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:19 PM

25. Recommended - I wasn't exactly thrilled marking Obama's name

 

on the ballot either. It was definitely a vote to keep Romney and the completely unacceptable and disgusting republicans out of the white house, not an endorsement of the many troubling policies that you aptly listed.

The police state is one that I find especially troubling. When Bush did it everyone was aghast, disturbed and horrified about it, so its strange to see it suddenly become A-OK when the surveillance society policies are continued, and even expanded under a Democratic President. (Drone sky spies coming soon to a neighborhood near you!)

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Response to quinnox (Reply #25)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:44 PM

37. Agreed.

I'm much more anti-Romney than pro-Obama. I paused briefly upon seeing Socialist and Green candidates on the ballot, but checked the box for Obama as the best way of stopping Romney.

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Response to Deep13 (Reply #37)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:48 PM

40. yep, same here

 

I can't say the Green candidates didn't tempt me. God knows they would be a hell of a lot better for this country in the progressive policies they would implement. It's a shame that pragmatism demands we really don't have a choice.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #25)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 01:06 AM

154. + a brazillion.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:19 PM

26. You agreed to the Terms of Service when you registered here.

You obviously don't respect those Terms. We, therefore, have no reason to respect the derisive flame-bait that you post day after day.

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Response to blue neen (Reply #26)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:13 PM

49. huh, madhound said he did vote for Obama

 

Isn't that the most important and relevant part of the TOS? Ok, so he didn't do it wearing a cheer-leading uniform and doing back flips in joy, but so what?

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Response to quinnox (Reply #49)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:56 PM

92. I'm sure Madhound is capable of speaking for himself.

Right?

I mean, unless there is some kind of a tag team thing going on here, but that would just be a ridiculous thought.

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Response to blue neen (Reply #92)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:59 PM

99. yea, but I couldnt help myself when I saw you guys starting to swarm the thread

 

Someone has to speak up for the liberal/progressive side.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #99)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 09:06 PM

104. "You guys?"

Who precisely is "you guys?" Please give examples.

Are you saying that I am not a liberal/progressive?

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Response to blue neen (Reply #104)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 09:09 PM

108. You can't be liberal/progressive unless you hold your nose...

while voting for Obama. If you are any more enthusiastic than that, you're obviously just some DLC, Third Way shill.

as if it were really needed.

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #108)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 12:33 AM

140. I am a liberal

and never been ashamed to say so. I will not hold my nose while voting for Obama on Tuesday morning. In fact I will be voting for him with as much enthusiasm as I have in my body.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #99)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 05:28 AM

167. Sometimes it feels like liberals are no longer welcome here

If you're not happy that the Democratic Party is now largely center-right, you're supposed to just shut up. Never mind that the party would be utterly unrecognizable to my union organizer grandfathers who fought the good fight back in the 30s and 40s.

And if you believe in the notions enshrined in the Bill of Rights, some of which go back to the Magna Carta and beyond, and are disgusted with the shredding of the Constitution that continues under this administration, you're supposed to shut up about that, too.

Great. Just great.

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Response to kath (Reply #167)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:57 AM

331. Well Stated My Friend. N/T

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Response to kath (Reply #167)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:12 AM

344. Real liberals seem to be perfectly happy here

while the pseudo liberals seem to have their problems.

Perhaps you'd be happier on a website where people share your belief that the Dem Party is now center-right, and the Constitution is being shredded. Most people here don't.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #99)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 03:02 PM

249. ROFL "you guys" = Dems. fail.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #49)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 05:10 AM

165. The reading comprehension level is pathetically low in this thread. And we say the Freepers are

barely literate and can't spell...

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Response to quinnox (Reply #49)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 07:23 AM

185. Are you MadHound's muppet master, or what?

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Response to quinnox (Reply #49)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:56 PM

243. suuuure he did...

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Response to conscious awareness (Reply #250)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 03:15 PM

252. yes.. we sacrifice children at the alter of our cult leader Obama.

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Response to dionysus (Reply #252)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 03:18 PM

255. Nah

 

you just support someone that has a great smile and nice family AND...

KILLS. AND. MAIMS. INNOCENT. TERRORIZED. PEOPLE. ACROSS. THE. GLOBE.

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Response to conscious awareness (Reply #250)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:46 PM

279. Hey, you've gotta get your mind right - that kinda stuff is only bad when someone who has an "R"

behind their name does it.

If they've run as a "D", it's all good! Drone attacks good. Indefinite detention good. Assassinations without any due process good. Warrantless wiretaps good. Torture good. Not prosecuting war crimes good (even if failing to prosecute violates int'l law). PATRIOT Act good.
And it goes on & on & on &...

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:21 PM

27. If you don't want to vote for him, don't. Romney may be more your cup o'tea. Tea party on, dude.nt

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:25 PM

30. Don't Vote for him , but you seem to pop up with these everytime Obama seems to be moving ahead

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:28 PM

31. Bless your little heart. In the way a Southern lady

means it. As in, it doesn't mean fuck you.

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Response to DevonRex (Reply #31)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:54 PM

242. bless him, he tries so very, very hard...

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Response to dionysus (Reply #242)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 03:51 PM

260. He does, dutnt he.

He just caint hep it if he dutnt get it right.

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Response to DevonRex (Reply #260)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:39 PM

276. i can picture the tiny fists flailing in impotent rage...

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Response to dionysus (Reply #276)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 07:53 PM

291. I can picture "tiny little other things" raging in this thread also.

So take that for what you will..but "tiny fists raging" is better than the other alternative....

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:33 PM

32. I will also

 

be voting for Obama but he is neither lessor or evil.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:36 PM

34. There, there, poor Madhound

I understand how upsetting it is to you when Democrats on this site pull together, and stand behind their president - you know, the prez you can't stand and feel a need to whine about incessantly.

I fully appreciate your insatiable need for attention, and how upset you must feel when people are talking about supporting Obama, instead of talking about you and your utterly ridiculous theories.

But buck up, dude. The election will be over soon - at which point someone somewhere might give a flyin' fuck about what you have to say.

This train is never late. Unfortunately, that's because it's always parked in the station, with literally no place to go.

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Response to Summer Hathaway (Reply #34)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 03:00 PM

247. !!!!



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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:40 PM

36. Found a post of yours from Jan where you discouraged voting for Obama:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002226531#post6

The OP first:
MadHound
Would you vote for this candidate?

One who handed an entire industry a mandated monopoly of the entire US population. One who extended tax cuts for the rich. One codified the indefinite detention of American citizens into law. One who has ordered the summary execution of American citizens abroad. One whose idea of a stimulus bill was one made up of forty percent tax cuts and tax credits. One who has kept the military industrial complex well fed and cared for. One whose term saw the lowest tax rates since the 1950's.

These are but a few of the reasons why liberals and progressives are upset with Obama, for this is the candidate that they are being presented with. Yes, the alternative is worse, perhaps much worse. But it becomes awfully damn hard to really give a damn when the political choices presented to you are center right authoritarian and hard right authoritarian.
9

Then post #6 where you impy it might be better to let the republicans win in 2012:

Jan 2012
MadHound
6. And that is the entire problem encapsulated,
We've been presented with the choices between greater and lesser evils for decades now, yet never in all that time have we ever been presented with a good(in all senses of that term) choice.

Instead we are simply presented with the choice of dying slowly or dying quickly as a country. Frankly I think that dying quickly might not be such a bad thing. Get it done, get it over with quickly so we can start on rebuilding.
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Response to DevonRex (Reply #36)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:21 PM

57. ...



"Frankly I think that dying quickly might not be such a bad thing. Get it done, get it over with quickly so we can start on rebuilding."

Needless to say, Madhound's contribution to 'rebuilding' would be to whine about it on a message board.

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Response to Summer Hathaway (Reply #57)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:24 PM

59. It's a constant drumbeat. I don't know why

he's here considering the SOP.

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Response to DevonRex (Reply #36)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:25 PM

60. searching for old posts and reposting them in threads used to be against DU rules

 

and for good reason, IMHO. Just sayin'. It's pretty slimy if you ask me. Anyway, yes, I'm sure there are some more posts by madhound where he doesn't speak in reverent and worshipful terms of President Obama. You are going to be busy if you want to dig them all up.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #60)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:40 PM

76. LOL. Not sufficiently worshipful of MadHound for you?

Bless your heart.

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Response to DevonRex (Reply #76)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 03:13 PM

251. lol, a cheerleader... a madhoundabot if you will... a worshipper....

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Response to dionysus (Reply #251)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 03:46 PM

259. MadHoundBot LOL!! Heehee!!! Well done my friend.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #60)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:52 PM

85. You're posting about what is against DU rules?

In THIS thread? Oh, that is priceless.

Seriously, you just unintentionally made the whole thread worthwhile!

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Response to quinnox (Reply #60)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 11:34 PM

130. It's slimy to cite the OP's own words?

Why? Don't you believe he stands by them?

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Response to DemocratsForProgress (Reply #130)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 05:53 AM

171. Well, isn't it? It's like when PBO quotes Romney's 47% remark, or when we repeat what Todd Akin

had to say....it's UNFAIR to hold people accountable for what they've said!!!

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Response to quinnox (Reply #60)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 05:51 AM

170. And maybe that rule changed for a reason. nt

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Response to quinnox (Reply #60)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:58 PM

245. constantly fucking campaigning against democrats also used to be against the rules.

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Response to DevonRex (Reply #36)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 12:50 PM

229. MH is really begging to be tombstoned. Admins should oblige him

I dont curse often, but doing this 4 days before election day is completely fucked up. Completely.

He should go to the worm eaten tree or wherever else his ilk go.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #229)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 03:19 PM

257. There were so many alerts on this OP it's beyond

ridiculous. All for nothing. IMO this post was meant to discourage people from voting for Obama. Who could make it to the end of his depressing list to the non-endorsement endorsement if they were unsure about whom to support?

Then of course it was also a clarion call to all his buddies to bash and trash the President as well.

This is a pattern we've seen before, most recently when Admin was at the Convention and couldn't do anything. This time they're here and I'm aghast that they're unresponsive to DUers who only expect that TOS be enforces 4 days prior to the election.

I had been planning to donate again before election night so I wouldn't get blocked out at Defcon. I still might but it will be with less enthusiasm.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:45 PM

38. I'm sorry you feel that way

 

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:45 PM

39. How many ponies are you looking for?

As a female, I find it creepy that the Rethugs are focused on my female parts..

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Response to HipChick (Reply #39)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:16 PM

53. And never let us forget they are equally prurient about certain male parts, as well.

Perhaps more so.

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Response to HipChick (Reply #39)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:53 PM

86. +1

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:51 PM

41. Supremes

The defeat of the rapey right wing who are not exactly being subtle about telegraphing their intentions for the oppressed and labor. I don't want the entire country to turn into Walkerville. And if nothing else, Romney defeating Obama would unleash and empower the very worst racist sectors of the US. You think they're bad now, beating the first Black President would be like Red Bull to the ultra-reactionaries. Ugh. I couldn't live with it.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #41)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:10 PM

47. +everything. Nt

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:52 PM

42. Unrec

"hating myself"--"we have all lost"
"viable alternative"? go away

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:54 PM

43. For the women of this country. Period.

Because we can't afford to have the Repug, gray-faced, old white guys with $2 haircuts making decisions about women's issues.

... off of soap box ...

... and back to lurky-hole ...

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:59 PM

44. So vote Green.

I will vote for President Obama with enthusiasm. Your post makes me a little sad but frankly more annoyed.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:08 PM

46. Yeah....it's the right

leaning Democrat who signed the Lilly Ledbetter act and got rid of DADT. It's that right leaning Democrat who supports gay marriage and a woman's right to choose.

Sorry you didn't get your pony.



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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:11 PM

48. Four days before the fucking election...

and this is what you post.

You know what, don't vote, or vote for whoever soothes your ego. But don't think sit and wait for anyone to beg for your vote. You're the only one impressed with your whining and your ego.

Peace out!

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Response to one_voice (Reply #48)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 12:52 PM

230. Exactly. Four fucking days before the election. OP should not be able to get away with this here. nt

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:13 PM

50. Voting is not enough anymore.


It is time for America to wake up and realize that we have been purchased, and to demand our country back.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:16 PM

52. Let me put it in language you might understand....

Because he isn't a big fat poopie head!

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:20 PM

56. Vote for him or else...

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:21 PM

58. Oh bother! Go sulk on your own, OK.

I cannot, for the life of me, remember a single instance when you have had anything positive to say about President Obama. You don't want to vote for him? Then don't. We'll manage to elect him without your grudging vote. Enough, already, with the constant complaining.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #58)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:27 PM

62. you should be thanking him

 

for his vote, not admonishing him. Jesus. Think a little bit on this one.

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