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(AWESOME!) Bill Cosby Explains The Sad And Honest Truth About Obama's First Four Years (Original Post) Playinghardball Oct 2012 OP
The last four years unfortunately demonstrates one thing, racism is alive and well in America still_one Oct 2012 #1
The last two centuries have demonstrated that. And you can throw sexism in there, too, while we're MADem Oct 2012 #2
you know one area of sexism is the treatment of Republican women like Palin, O'Donnell, Bachmann etc JI7 Oct 2012 #5
2 responses-- Jackpine Radical Nov 2012 #54
Run a blatant unrepentant liar there is no other explanation why he is still a viable candidate. gordianot Oct 2012 #6
racism is truly a mental illness SemperEadem Oct 2012 #9
I said the same thing to a family member oldbanjo Oct 2012 #20
Uh, no. It's a character issue. And a choice. n/t tessar Nov 2012 #43
Welcome to DU, tessar! And you're both correct. It's a mental illness AND a character issue AND a calimary Nov 2012 #56
Racism/tribalism, greed, and religious superstition are hifiguy Nov 2012 #46
also that there are information dissemination outlets that will give SemperEadem Oct 2012 #8
so, if cantor with his repug congress buddies newspeak Nov 2012 #49
yep... that pretty much covers it. SemperEadem Nov 2012 #55
I won't argue with you about racism robbob Nov 2012 #52
Kick for The Truth! berni_mccoy Oct 2012 #3
There were a lot of people here on DU who were also quick to blame Obama for everything. Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2012 #4
+ 10000000000000 dionysus Oct 2012 #10
+1000. All too true. -nt CakeGrrl Oct 2012 #12
He sure as hell could have. What he couldn't do was relocate Gitmo north TheKentuckian Oct 2012 #28
You're full of shit! It takes an act of Congress. Period! Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2012 #29
Careful, Kentuckian gets irate when you point stuff like that out to him Scootaloo Nov 2012 #33
Then you will be able to point out the law(s) that restricted relocating the prisoners, TheKentuckian Nov 2012 #58
Sigh. You're still here? The election is over. Now get to work, Kentuckian. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2012 #60
Thasnks for informing me that Obama is a king and can decree anything. olegramps Nov 2012 #41
Feel free to follow up with the President on "kingly" powers like the ability to kill Americans (or TheKentuckian Nov 2012 #59
huh heaven05 Nov 2012 #47
What lie is that? Surely, you can cite the legal restriction on the ability to relocate, place on TheKentuckian Nov 2012 #61
like heaven05 Nov 2012 #62
+1! uponit7771 Nov 2012 #35
this is provided he gets a dem house and senate SemperEadem Oct 2012 #7
Obama has done a lot in spite of the Congress oldbanjo Oct 2012 #23
I believe SemperEadem Oct 2012 #27
Hello SemperEadem, nice to meet you! Ivywoods55 Nov 2012 #34
Kick and fucking recommend outsideworld Oct 2012 #11
+1...K&R! BlueNoteSpecial Oct 2012 #13
"supposed", not "suppose". Cosby is very literate. I think an illiterate person at moveon.org mis- Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2012 #14
Bless you Mr. Cosby. You're the BEST!!!! n/t onecent Oct 2012 #15
Wonderful. Thank you, Bill Cosby and MoveOn.org n/t Duval Oct 2012 #16
Ditto. dchill Oct 2012 #24
I don't think I've ever seen Flatpicker Oct 2012 #17
Bush had it until 2007 n/t SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2012 #30
Ok Flatpicker Nov 2012 #57
Obama and Clinton both had a democratically controlled congress their first 2 years. n/t JimDandy Nov 2012 #32
Not true, gop changed senate rules on Obama not Clinton. GOP filibustered EVERYTHING on Obama uponit7771 Nov 2012 #36
yep heaven05 Nov 2012 #48
Right on, Bill. I think President Obama's second term will be so awesome... mountain grammy Oct 2012 #18
Kick! sarcasmo Oct 2012 #19
Not a big fan of Cosby, but at least he's telling the truth, so he deserves credit for that. =) n/t AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #21
A freakin' men! Yul A Oct 2012 #22
I've always loved Bill Cosby - He made me laugh during some dark times when I was a little one. AnotherMother4Peace Oct 2012 #25
fucking A, mr cosby spanone Oct 2012 #26
"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term... L0oniX Oct 2012 #31
Bill Cosby = Wisdom johnlucas Nov 2012 #37
Cosby is correct, but there were key Democrats who refused to work with him. Buzz Clik Nov 2012 #38
blue dogs heaven05 Nov 2012 #50
K & R n/t RoccoR5955 Nov 2012 #39
He forgot the broken Senate Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #40
I expect Obama to be relentless in his second term - he doesn't have to......... George II Nov 2012 #42
I've always had a hard time taking Bill Cosby seriously neffernin Nov 2012 #44
K&R - he really nails it. closeupready Nov 2012 #45
Cosby Has Not Always Been The Best Friend Of Democrats DallasNE Nov 2012 #51
He's more or less been apolitical most of the time AFAIK. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2012 #53

MADem

(135,425 posts)
2. The last two centuries have demonstrated that. And you can throw sexism in there, too, while we're
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 04:17 PM
Oct 2012

at it.

We have a ways to go. Every year it gets better, but it is a long road. I am surprised at the GOP's racist/sexist dogwhistling this time around...it's like a last desperate gasp.

JI7

(89,150 posts)
5. you know one area of sexism is the treatment of Republican women like Palin, O'Donnell, Bachmann etc
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 04:22 PM
Oct 2012

compared to Republicans like Todd Akin, Mourdok , Romney, Ryan etc.

looking at all the crap these people have said and the lies they don't get the ridicule in the media that Palin and other republican women got.

Paul Ryan saying he has foreign policy experience because he voted to send others to war and his lies about the marathon ? it's no better than palin saying she can see russia and being made fun of for her spending on designer clothes.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
54. 2 responses--
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 03:00 PM
Nov 2012

a) I wasn't aware that people were failing to pile on those male Republican horseturds you named, and
b) Maybe people expect much better of women and sort of subject the male Republicans to "the soft bigotry of lowered expectations" that they have so richly earned.

gordianot

(15,223 posts)
6. Run a blatant unrepentant liar there is no other explanation why he is still a viable candidate.
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 04:26 PM
Oct 2012

Romney is a symptom of an illness brought on by racism.

SemperEadem

(8,053 posts)
9. racism is truly a mental illness
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 05:17 PM
Oct 2012

akin to being a sociopath.

Anyone who will follow in behind a proven, craven, bald faced liar is too mentally disturbed to have the right to vote, but alas! they do.

calimary

(80,521 posts)
56. Welcome to DU, tessar! And you're both correct. It's a mental illness AND a character issue AND a
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 03:18 PM
Nov 2012

choice. And a lot of other things.

Glad you're here - we need you! Let's cement this victory into place for President Obama next Tuesday!







Now get to work.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
46. Racism/tribalism, greed, and religious superstition are
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:05 PM
Nov 2012

the three great curses of the human race. We must learn to transcend them or perish.

SemperEadem

(8,053 posts)
8. also that there are information dissemination outlets that will give
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 05:14 PM
Oct 2012

a microphone to and shine a spotlight on them. wrap them in a flag and call it "patriotism".

That used to not be the case.

newspeak

(4,847 posts)
49. so, if cantor with his repug congress buddies
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:09 PM
Nov 2012

got together before obama even stepped into the WH and schemed to make him a one term president. it shows that they are traitors to the people of this country, when many were so hurt by their own greedy policies for the last eight fekkin nightmare years.

so, they created the damn nightmare-increased the deficit, decent jobs went bye-bye, unprecedented wealth disparity, brink of economic collapse; and they were willing to see us suffer more, just to gain power again. how unpatriotic, how heartlessly sick, can one be?

and we have people in this country who'd vote against their own economic interests, or they have little or no memory-but they'd vote to get the "black guy" out of the WH.

SemperEadem

(8,053 posts)
55. yep... that pretty much covers it.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 03:13 PM
Nov 2012

the msm colludes with them by saying that they are "scared" and "...they fear (whatever)".

I'm sick and tired of scared people full of fear being able to have a say so in how this country is governed. I seriously am. Pull up your big boy/big girl pants and get on with it or get the hell out of the way. The train is moving forward. Get on, take a seat and get out your tickets or get off the train and go sit down somewhere.

robbob

(3,512 posts)
52. I won't argue with you about racism
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 02:44 PM
Nov 2012

...it's alive and well for sure. But face it; the Rethugs aren't going to let any Democratic president succeed. They are the obstructionist party, all they want is power for themselves and their wealthy backers, and they are not going to co-operate with anyone, regardless of skin colour.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
4. There were a lot of people here on DU who were also quick to blame Obama for everything.
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 04:20 PM
Oct 2012

Many of us understood that we must critique the president when he is wrong, but people were blaming him for shit not under his control. The closing of Gitmo was one example among many.

TheKentuckian

(24,904 posts)
28. He sure as hell could have. What he couldn't do was relocate Gitmo north
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 10:00 PM
Oct 2012

and build a new supermax without funding.

He can't now because he signed the constitutional dubious restrictions in late May, 2009.

Before that moment he enjoyed the same authority to relocate, put on trial, or release that Bush had.

Obama attempted to thread the political needle and folded when the plan was rejected while signing away any plausible path to correction.

From his inauguration until on or about the 20th of May, he could have put those that there was a case against on trial, released those without a case, and relocated both and any in the middle.

If you want to argue the politics then feel free but the assertion he did not have the authority is bullshit.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
29. You're full of shit! It takes an act of Congress. Period!
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 10:34 PM
Oct 2012

Don't amount of haranguing will change that fact no matter what you say.

TheKentuckian

(24,904 posts)
58. Then you will be able to point out the law(s) that restricted relocating the prisoners,
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:59 PM
Nov 2012

putting them on trial, or even releasing them prior to on or about May 20, 2009 and should have no problem explaining how Bush did just such things hundreds of times.

TheKentuckian

(24,904 posts)
59. Feel free to follow up with the President on "kingly" powers like the ability to kill Americans (or
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:04 PM
Nov 2012

anybody) on his own authority.

What I'm talking about is powers lawfully belonging to the Executive branch. Congress has never directly been involved with prisoner assignments, deciding to pursue charges, or releasing those that have no charges.

Indefinite detention without conviction is unconstitutional and damned "kingly" though.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
47. huh
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:06 PM
Nov 2012

Ohh, I understand. Are you what is called a blue dog democrat? What you said about POTUS sounds like one of Mittsnakes lies.

TheKentuckian

(24,904 posts)
61. What lie is that? Surely, you can cite the legal restriction on the ability to relocate, place on
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:25 PM
Nov 2012

trial, or release prior to on or about May 20, 2009 if I'm telling Mitt lies?

Blue dog? Do you even follow politics? Are you like 10 years old and just reaching into a bin of labels you don't understand?

Obama signed his own handcuffs into law on this matter, Bush had no such restrictions and did release hundreds, placed other on trial in civilian courts, and relocate prisoners that is a fact. It is also a fact that he did not act outside of his lawful authority to do so. It is further fact that President Obama had the exact same authority.

What he needed from Congress was resources to build a new supermax and this has become conflated with the inability to do anything, it just has and if there is a counter argument then it should have US code to support it but it doesn't because it is flat out not true.

The restrictions that exist were signed into law by Barack Obama, I had this same argument a thousand times, the other side a thousand times has jack shit, the last "serious" effort was a laundry list of links that were quickly dismantled being just fluff the poster thought nobody would check that was whining Senators, several references to a non-binding vote in the Indiana legislature, and the restrictions Obama signed himself around the third week in May, 2009. Restriction which piss in the face of the constitution, by the way establishing indefinite detention without conviction.

If you have something else, I'd love to see it but to be honest I don't think you really know much of what you are talking about based on nonsensical accusations that illustrate a lack of understanding of the positions of groups thrown around in a reverse name dropping situation.

There is an argument for saying corrective action was completely political untenable, that is a real debate to say the Executive did not have to legal authority to put those folks on trial, release those they could not, or relocate prisoners is unsubstantiated nor has anyone yet identified what laws Bush broke when he took such actions hundreds of times.
The reason for this is the debate is dishonest and based on framing rather than facts. Politics rather than law.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
62. like
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:40 PM
Nov 2012

I said, you cannot face the reality of our political system. Go ahead, damn our POTUS, it is your right. But guess what, he got reelected, deal with it!!!!! Why would you defend bush? Only someone with limited reasoning ability would defend someone like shrub. Yes, democrats, alleged libruls like you disgust me and poison our party. You act like you know it all when it comes to presidential decisions and actions. You sir know as much as a 6 year old. I am enjoying how your ability to look inside the corridors of power enables you to be an absolute seer on what is going on. Go back to fox news and munch on your popcorn.

oldbanjo

(690 posts)
23. Obama has done a lot in spite of the Congress
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 07:01 PM
Oct 2012

I think he will continue to make progress and maybe things will change.

SemperEadem

(8,053 posts)
27. I believe
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 09:54 PM
Oct 2012

that if this country sends him a thug majority in the house, and less than 60 dems in the Senate, then there's going to be another meeting on inauguration day about driving his second term under the ground and a concerted effort to double-down on the path they've been on.

He could have gotten a whole lot more accomplished had he had cooperation. There would a whole lot of appointments confirmed and this country could get about the business of working.

Not only with this election, but also the mid terms in 2014--it's too important for this country to defeat as many thugs as possible over the course of the next 2 years.

Ivywoods55

(131 posts)
34. Hello SemperEadem, nice to meet you!
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 05:46 AM
Nov 2012

I totally agree with you! After this election we just can't sit down and wait on the President to accomplish "magic" we have to continue to work for and with him to give him the Congress he needs, even if he only has two years left in 2014. That is what did not happen in 2010, we left him out there hanging, and we got the Congress we deserved and one he did not need or deserve. In 2014, if we want him to make a difference in this Nation in his last two years, we have to give him a complete Congress he will be able to work with. Thanks!

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,605 posts)
14. "supposed", not "suppose". Cosby is very literate. I think an illiterate person at moveon.org mis-
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 05:49 PM
Oct 2012

"supposed", not "suppose". Cosby is very literate. I think an illiterate person at moveon.org mistranscribed Cosby's remarks.

Flatpicker

(894 posts)
17. I don't think I've ever seen
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 06:18 PM
Oct 2012

A pres, house and senate owned by the same party in my lifetime.

I think under Obama, I'm willing to try it to see if there were any appreciable changes for the better in our country.

uponit7771

(90,193 posts)
36. Not true, gop changed senate rules on Obama not Clinton. GOP filibustered EVERYTHING on Obama
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 06:28 AM
Nov 2012

...not Clinton.

HUGE difference

mountain grammy

(26,553 posts)
18. Right on, Bill. I think President Obama's second term will be so awesome...
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 06:19 PM
Oct 2012

I'll forgive him for being a moderate Republican.. but he must dump Holder..Mike Papantonio for Attorney General.. or RFK Jr.

AnotherMother4Peace

(4,224 posts)
25. I've always loved Bill Cosby - He made me laugh during some dark times when I was a little one.
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 09:19 PM
Oct 2012

He helped shape the sense of humor I have now.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
31. "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term...
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 10:44 PM
Oct 2012

"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president," - Mitch McConnell

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
37. Bill Cosby = Wisdom
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 07:53 AM
Nov 2012

He has always been one of my heroes.
I'm so glad to grow up with him spreading his message.
I learned from Fat Albert & The Cosby Kids, I learned from The Cosby Show, & I learned from Bill beyond that.

One of the wisest men in America.

Of my biggest regrets I didn't get to see one of my heroes Michael Jackson in person before he died.
I hope not to have that fate when it comes to one of my other heroes Bill Cosby.
Just to shake his hand, tell him what he's has meant to me & so many others, & just say thank you.

I love Bill Cosby!
John Lucas

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
38. Cosby is correct, but there were key Democrats who refused to work with him.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 07:55 AM
Nov 2012

Health care was the first example.

 

Anthony McCarthy

(507 posts)
40. He forgot the broken Senate
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 09:21 AM
Nov 2012

I hope Obama has learned something in the last four years and hope that that will remain to be seen a week from yesterday. But it was Lieberman (who will be gone, thank God) Nelson of Nebraska (the same) and the feckless leadership. If Reed and the rest win a majority and they don't work to seriously limit filibusters, secret holds, etc. then nothing much will change.

Democrats must also, immediately, mount a get out the vote in the off year. We lost a lot by discouraged Democrats not turning out in 2010. AND THE ELECTION PROCESS MUST BE CLEANED UP. Obama, wised up or not, is not the whole story of why Democrats lost the best chance we have had in more than a generation to make real change.

George II

(67,782 posts)
42. I expect Obama to be relentless in his second term - he doesn't have to.........
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:43 AM
Nov 2012

...tiptoe around Boehner, McConnell and all the other assholes in Congress. And I REALLY hope he goes after Issa big time!

One has to be a "nice guy" in one's first time, the second term is completely different.

GO-BAMA!

DallasNE

(7,390 posts)
51. Cosby Has Not Always Been The Best Friend Of Democrats
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 01:14 PM
Nov 2012

So this just shows how far Republicans have moved to the extreme right that Cosby goes after them in this manner. Perhaps there is an element of Cosby just coming back home. Regardless, it is a powerful message precisely because it is so true.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,053 posts)
53. He's more or less been apolitical most of the time AFAIK.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 02:59 PM
Nov 2012

As an African American man, he's made some statements of opinions concerning the black community to which some other members of the African American community have disagreed and taken issues. As someone who is not black, I really can't comment on which side I agree with, but I do think Cosby has the right to voice his opinion about his own community. But his statements have never--as far as I remember--been distinctively partisan in terms of Democrat vs. Republican.

The problem is that some white conservatives--who are either subtly or overtly racist against blacks--have in the past seized on Cosby's comments about what he sees as shortcomings in his own black community, and chosen to parrot those views to their fellow white conservatives as a cheap shot against the black community. In doing so, it no longer is a black man speaking his views in a moment of self-reflection about the black community, but instead is an excuse for white conservatives to pile on blacks while claiming they are only repeating what a black man said.

But that's not Cosby's fault.

As it relates to his opinion on President Obama, like Bill Cosby or not, Cosby has always long trumpted the idea of the successful African American in society (as you saw in his show). And what could be more successful than being elected President of the United States? So it's a no brainer that I see Cosby coming to the President's defense.

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