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still_one
(91,807 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)at it.
We have a ways to go. Every year it gets better, but it is a long road. I am surprised at the GOP's racist/sexist dogwhistling this time around...it's like a last desperate gasp.
JI7
(89,150 posts)compared to Republicans like Todd Akin, Mourdok , Romney, Ryan etc.
looking at all the crap these people have said and the lies they don't get the ridicule in the media that Palin and other republican women got.
Paul Ryan saying he has foreign policy experience because he voted to send others to war and his lies about the marathon ? it's no better than palin saying she can see russia and being made fun of for her spending on designer clothes.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)a) I wasn't aware that people were failing to pile on those male Republican horseturds you named, and
b) Maybe people expect much better of women and sort of subject the male Republicans to "the soft bigotry of lowered expectations" that they have so richly earned.
gordianot
(15,223 posts)Romney is a symptom of an illness brought on by racism.
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)akin to being a sociopath.
Anyone who will follow in behind a proven, craven, bald faced liar is too mentally disturbed to have the right to vote, but alas! they do.
oldbanjo
(690 posts)when he told me that he was Voting Republican.
tessar
(58 posts)calimary
(80,521 posts)choice. And a lot of other things.
Glad you're here - we need you! Let's cement this victory into place for President Obama next Tuesday!
Now get to work.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)the three great curses of the human race. We must learn to transcend them or perish.
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)a microphone to and shine a spotlight on them. wrap them in a flag and call it "patriotism".
That used to not be the case.
newspeak
(4,847 posts)got together before obama even stepped into the WH and schemed to make him a one term president. it shows that they are traitors to the people of this country, when many were so hurt by their own greedy policies for the last eight fekkin nightmare years.
so, they created the damn nightmare-increased the deficit, decent jobs went bye-bye, unprecedented wealth disparity, brink of economic collapse; and they were willing to see us suffer more, just to gain power again. how unpatriotic, how heartlessly sick, can one be?
and we have people in this country who'd vote against their own economic interests, or they have little or no memory-but they'd vote to get the "black guy" out of the WH.
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)the msm colludes with them by saying that they are "scared" and "...they fear (whatever)".
I'm sick and tired of scared people full of fear being able to have a say so in how this country is governed. I seriously am. Pull up your big boy/big girl pants and get on with it or get the hell out of the way. The train is moving forward. Get on, take a seat and get out your tickets or get off the train and go sit down somewhere.
robbob
(3,512 posts)...it's alive and well for sure. But face it; the Rethugs aren't going to let any Democratic president succeed. They are the obstructionist party, all they want is power for themselves and their wealthy backers, and they are not going to co-operate with anyone, regardless of skin colour.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Many of us understood that we must critique the president when he is wrong, but people were blaming him for shit not under his control. The closing of Gitmo was one example among many.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)TheKentuckian
(24,904 posts)and build a new supermax without funding.
He can't now because he signed the constitutional dubious restrictions in late May, 2009.
Before that moment he enjoyed the same authority to relocate, put on trial, or release that Bush had.
Obama attempted to thread the political needle and folded when the plan was rejected while signing away any plausible path to correction.
From his inauguration until on or about the 20th of May, he could have put those that there was a case against on trial, released those without a case, and relocated both and any in the middle.
If you want to argue the politics then feel free but the assertion he did not have the authority is bullshit.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Don't amount of haranguing will change that fact no matter what you say.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)TheKentuckian
(24,904 posts)putting them on trial, or even releasing them prior to on or about May 20, 2009 and should have no problem explaining how Bush did just such things hundreds of times.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)olegramps
(8,200 posts)TheKentuckian
(24,904 posts)anybody) on his own authority.
What I'm talking about is powers lawfully belonging to the Executive branch. Congress has never directly been involved with prisoner assignments, deciding to pursue charges, or releasing those that have no charges.
Indefinite detention without conviction is unconstitutional and damned "kingly" though.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)Ohh, I understand. Are you what is called a blue dog democrat? What you said about POTUS sounds like one of Mittsnakes lies.
TheKentuckian
(24,904 posts)trial, or release prior to on or about May 20, 2009 if I'm telling Mitt lies?
Blue dog? Do you even follow politics? Are you like 10 years old and just reaching into a bin of labels you don't understand?
Obama signed his own handcuffs into law on this matter, Bush had no such restrictions and did release hundreds, placed other on trial in civilian courts, and relocate prisoners that is a fact. It is also a fact that he did not act outside of his lawful authority to do so. It is further fact that President Obama had the exact same authority.
What he needed from Congress was resources to build a new supermax and this has become conflated with the inability to do anything, it just has and if there is a counter argument then it should have US code to support it but it doesn't because it is flat out not true.
The restrictions that exist were signed into law by Barack Obama, I had this same argument a thousand times, the other side a thousand times has jack shit, the last "serious" effort was a laundry list of links that were quickly dismantled being just fluff the poster thought nobody would check that was whining Senators, several references to a non-binding vote in the Indiana legislature, and the restrictions Obama signed himself around the third week in May, 2009. Restriction which piss in the face of the constitution, by the way establishing indefinite detention without conviction.
If you have something else, I'd love to see it but to be honest I don't think you really know much of what you are talking about based on nonsensical accusations that illustrate a lack of understanding of the positions of groups thrown around in a reverse name dropping situation.
There is an argument for saying corrective action was completely political untenable, that is a real debate to say the Executive did not have to legal authority to put those folks on trial, release those they could not, or relocate prisoners is unsubstantiated nor has anyone yet identified what laws Bush broke when he took such actions hundreds of times.
The reason for this is the debate is dishonest and based on framing rather than facts. Politics rather than law.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)I said, you cannot face the reality of our political system. Go ahead, damn our POTUS, it is your right. But guess what, he got reelected, deal with it!!!!! Why would you defend bush? Only someone with limited reasoning ability would defend someone like shrub. Yes, democrats, alleged libruls like you disgust me and poison our party. You act like you know it all when it comes to presidential decisions and actions. You sir know as much as a 6 year old. I am enjoying how your ability to look inside the corridors of power enables you to be an absolute seer on what is going on. Go back to fox news and munch on your popcorn.
uponit7771
(90,193 posts)SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)if he gets more of the same, then it'll be more of the same.
oldbanjo
(690 posts)I think he will continue to make progress and maybe things will change.
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)that if this country sends him a thug majority in the house, and less than 60 dems in the Senate, then there's going to be another meeting on inauguration day about driving his second term under the ground and a concerted effort to double-down on the path they've been on.
He could have gotten a whole lot more accomplished had he had cooperation. There would a whole lot of appointments confirmed and this country could get about the business of working.
Not only with this election, but also the mid terms in 2014--it's too important for this country to defeat as many thugs as possible over the course of the next 2 years.
Ivywoods55
(131 posts)I totally agree with you! After this election we just can't sit down and wait on the President to accomplish "magic" we have to continue to work for and with him to give him the Congress he needs, even if he only has two years left in 2014. That is what did not happen in 2010, we left him out there hanging, and we got the Congress we deserved and one he did not need or deserve. In 2014, if we want him to make a difference in this Nation in his last two years, we have to give him a complete Congress he will be able to work with. Thanks!
outsideworld
(601 posts)BlueNoteSpecial
(141 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,605 posts)"supposed", not "suppose". Cosby is very literate. I think an illiterate person at moveon.org mistranscribed Cosby's remarks.
onecent
(6,096 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)Flatpicker
(894 posts)A pres, house and senate owned by the same party in my lifetime.
I think under Obama, I'm willing to try it to see if there were any appreciable changes for the better in our country.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)Flatpicker
(894 posts)I'll rephrase,
I haven't seen a sane party with a majority in my lifetime.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)uponit7771
(90,193 posts)...not Clinton.
HUGE difference
that two year lie has been around a while. Time to bury it.
mountain grammy
(26,553 posts)I'll forgive him for being a moderate Republican.. but he must dump Holder..Mike Papantonio for Attorney General.. or RFK Jr.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Yul A
(94 posts)I hope the President lives up to every fucking wingnut's nightmare starting Jan. 20!
AnotherMother4Peace
(4,224 posts)He helped shape the sense of humor I have now.
spanone
(135,586 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president," - Mitch McConnell
johnlucas
(1,250 posts)He has always been one of my heroes.
I'm so glad to grow up with him spreading his message.
I learned from Fat Albert & The Cosby Kids, I learned from The Cosby Show, & I learned from Bill beyond that.
One of the wisest men in America.
Of my biggest regrets I didn't get to see one of my heroes Michael Jackson in person before he died.
I hope not to have that fate when it comes to one of my other heroes Bill Cosby.
Just to shake his hand, tell him what he's has meant to me & so many others, & just say thank you.
I love Bill Cosby!
John Lucas
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Health care was the first example.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)ain't worth their democrat title.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Anthony McCarthy
(507 posts)I hope Obama has learned something in the last four years and hope that that will remain to be seen a week from yesterday. But it was Lieberman (who will be gone, thank God) Nelson of Nebraska (the same) and the feckless leadership. If Reed and the rest win a majority and they don't work to seriously limit filibusters, secret holds, etc. then nothing much will change.
Democrats must also, immediately, mount a get out the vote in the off year. We lost a lot by discouraged Democrats not turning out in 2010. AND THE ELECTION PROCESS MUST BE CLEANED UP. Obama, wised up or not, is not the whole story of why Democrats lost the best chance we have had in more than a generation to make real change.
George II
(67,782 posts)...tiptoe around Boehner, McConnell and all the other assholes in Congress. And I REALLY hope he goes after Issa big time!
One has to be a "nice guy" in one's first time, the second term is completely different.
GO-BAMA!
neffernin
(275 posts)since I saw Eddie Murphy's raw:
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/6ed4154f2a/eddie-murphy-raw-bill-cosby-from-classicstandupfan
I can only hope he is right.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Thanks for posting this.
DallasNE
(7,390 posts)So this just shows how far Republicans have moved to the extreme right that Cosby goes after them in this manner. Perhaps there is an element of Cosby just coming back home. Regardless, it is a powerful message precisely because it is so true.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,053 posts)As an African American man, he's made some statements of opinions concerning the black community to which some other members of the African American community have disagreed and taken issues. As someone who is not black, I really can't comment on which side I agree with, but I do think Cosby has the right to voice his opinion about his own community. But his statements have never--as far as I remember--been distinctively partisan in terms of Democrat vs. Republican.
The problem is that some white conservatives--who are either subtly or overtly racist against blacks--have in the past seized on Cosby's comments about what he sees as shortcomings in his own black community, and chosen to parrot those views to their fellow white conservatives as a cheap shot against the black community. In doing so, it no longer is a black man speaking his views in a moment of self-reflection about the black community, but instead is an excuse for white conservatives to pile on blacks while claiming they are only repeating what a black man said.
But that's not Cosby's fault.
As it relates to his opinion on President Obama, like Bill Cosby or not, Cosby has always long trumpted the idea of the successful African American in society (as you saw in his show). And what could be more successful than being elected President of the United States? So it's a no brainer that I see Cosby coming to the President's defense.