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nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 03:41 PM Oct 2012

Now I understand how otherwise sane, intelligent people support Romney and hate Obama

It all happened over the last two days.

Let me start by saying that I am intelligent -- I can count to 100 and know the whole alphabet -- and I'm sane (my mother had me tested) and, as further proof, I've already voted for Obama.

Also, I'm not a TV watcher. I have a TV -- a gift from a friend -- and I pretty much confine my TV viewing to Jeopardy, European soccer, baseball (although I'm getting pretty sick of the fascist turn the games have taken), and The Big Bang Theory. After Labor Day, I DVR everything -- except European soccer (Go Barça) -- so I can FF through the political ads. I never, ever watch news or talking head shows -- none of them, not even ones I might agree with.

Once in a great while, if I learn online that there is a breaking story -- plane crash, explosion, etc. -- I may tune into a news station to watch the developing story.

I live in Southern California, but previously lived in New England and spent a lot of time in NYC. I still have friends and relatives back there. So, Monday, I turned on The Weather Channel to keep track of the storm. I'd sit and watch from time to time to catch up, but mostly it was on in the background as I went about my business in the house.

Then, yesterday morning, I got up before dawn and was having my coffee -- again watching TWC. I began thinking, "Gee, I wish I could go for my walk, but the weather is so crappy out." Then, either reality or the caffeine kicked in and I realized it was 62 degrees and, although still dark, the skies were clear.

It hit me -- just that one day of watching TV had created a little piece of alternate reality in my head. Fortunately, it was something I was able to correct by just looking out the window.

But then, while on my walk, I began to think of what happens to someone who is exposed to that drum beat of television for hours a day, every day of the week, of the year.

And The Weather Channel wasn't even trying to make me believe something that wasn't true. There was no propaganda -- just straight reporting (although some of the people did seem to be rooting for the storm). It just happened. In one little part of my brain, that exposure to the constant talk of the storm, the wind, the rain, etc. has planted a little kernel of belief that wasn't true.

Imagine what happens to people who continuously subject themselves to Fox, especially when Fox has carefully crafted and delivered propaganda and talking points -- the first of which is to convince people that Fox is the only source of truth. I could look out the window to eliminate my alternate reality. Fox viewers don't have that option. For them, there is no other source than Fox.

It's really quite scary, but I see now how people come to these idiotic, false beliefs. Fox really is a danger to democracy.

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Now I understand how otherwise sane, intelligent people support Romney and hate Obama (Original Post) nichomachus Oct 2012 OP
That's an interesting train of thought that you have there... CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2012 #1
Murdoch knows this very well. nt thereismore Oct 2012 #2
In the HBO movie Game Change SomethingFishy Oct 2012 #3
FOX is evil abelenkpe Oct 2012 #4
I agree Iwasthere Oct 2012 #5
The whole of the corporate globalist mass mind control media SubgeniusHasSlack Oct 2012 #6
+1 freshwest Oct 2012 #7
Like you, I don't watch TV news and I, also, live in So Cal...now I will tell you why I quit.. Tikki Oct 2012 #8
They are not "otherwise sane intelligent people", they support torture, perma-war... just1voice Oct 2012 #9
you are so correct KT2000 Oct 2012 #10
The power of propaganda is underestimated. SalviaBlue Oct 2012 #11
Oh yeah, nichomachus! I'd hate Pres Obama, too, if I got sucked Cha Oct 2012 #12
Its so bad you don't even have to watch fox. 53tammy Oct 2012 #13
Great Observation n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2012 #14

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,595 posts)
1. That's an interesting train of thought that you have there...
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 03:45 PM
Oct 2012

You laid it out very simply and it makes sense.

Fox has a lot of power......and they are using it to do evil.

Not. Good.

K&R

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
3. In the HBO movie Game Change
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 03:50 PM
Oct 2012

Steve Schmidt, McCain's campaign advisor says to Sarah Palin "no news story lasts more than 48 hours it's just there for entertainment".

That comment sums up everything that is wrong with the media. News has become entertainment. There is almost no investigative reporting anymore, no allegiance to the facts, just blowhard pundits who no matter how many times they are WRONG never shut up.

Campaign finance reform and a vigilant media would go a long way towards solving this nations problems.

Iwasthere

(3,158 posts)
5. I agree
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 03:54 PM
Oct 2012

Much truth in your observation. One day soon Faux, so called, news will be history, along with Rush ... that idiot has caused sooooo much damage.

 

SubgeniusHasSlack

(276 posts)
6. The whole of the corporate globalist mass mind control media
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 03:55 PM
Oct 2012

is a wholly owned propaganda subsidiary of oligarchs, inc.

You are correct. As Marshall McCluhan presciently theorized, "The medium is the message". And the insidious nature of television's interaction with the mind makes it the perfect vehicle for implanting propaganda in the weak minds of low information citizens.

Tikki

(14,557 posts)
8. Like you, I don't watch TV news and I, also, live in So Cal...now I will tell you why I quit..
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 03:59 PM
Oct 2012

watching TV news completely.

Some years back, before 2008, I was watching a local LA news program, the night time local news
and in the teaser that is usually a few minutes before the news program starts, one of the
anchors could be heard laughing about a new haircut style that Hillary Clinton had gotten and this
woman newscaster spoke disparagingly about how she perceived Mrs. Clinton looked.

That in itself was inappropriate to speak of even if she wasn't aware she was still on the air..
BUT, this newscaster I am referring to has no room to talk. Her hair looks like Bozo the Clown.

So, I realized that these newscasters can't and won't keep their politics out of their job and will
either stealthily or overtly try to influence their audience. That's just who they are.

Thankfully DU is a news source along with commentary.

Tikki

 

just1voice

(1,362 posts)
9. They are not "otherwise sane intelligent people", they support torture, perma-war...
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 04:16 PM
Oct 2012

and the very same massive propaganda network you identified. They want to be lied to and remain deluded in order to justify their pathetic existences as military/contractors, racists, morons and venal sell-outs. The propaganda networks (all of the MSMedia) are just a scary as you say and, they should all be put out of business as hate crime promoters but, that doesn't address the real problem.

The real problem is the people whom are so easily and willfully deluded by any lying corporate ad or (R)epuke misinformation. The United States has a huge chunk of it's population that are basically morons and add to that a corrupt health care system that doesn't even get close to addressing mental illnesses other than to throw masses of pills at "consumers" and what we've ended up with is a dysfunctional society overall. The entire financial system collapsed in 2008 and now the entire social fabric is collapsing.

How we rebuild ourselves is anyone's guess but part of that rebuilding is going to involve holding the corrupt segments of our society accountable for their actions, such as torture camp creators, propaganda networks, criminal banks and the perma-war segments of the entire defense/intelligence industry. It's a long, long road ahead.

KT2000

(20,577 posts)
10. you are so correct
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 04:22 PM
Oct 2012

after watching a couple hours of storm coverage, from Washington State, I was driving through rain to an appointment actually expecting the streets to be flooded like the East coast. It was a weird sensation. Happened during Katrina too.

Murdoch has figured out the power of the media and has become influential beyond belief. Now competitors such as CNN has to conform to his reality.

SalviaBlue

(2,916 posts)
11. The power of propaganda is underestimated.
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 04:30 PM
Oct 2012

I believe that there are very sophisticated techniques being used to influence us.

Cha

(297,167 posts)
12. Oh yeah, nichomachus! I'd hate Pres Obama, too, if I got sucked
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 04:36 PM
Oct 2012

into thinking fox was the truth and everyone else was crazy. They need to step away from their programmed brainwashing ritual and take a walk outside.

53tammy

(93 posts)
13. Its so bad you don't even have to watch fox.
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 04:52 PM
Oct 2012

to have your reality changed. My sweet mother has somehow fallen victim to the trash. For the last 2 years I have heard the dog whistles come from her mouth and I can't believe this is the same woman that raised me. She claims to get her news from the paper but I know the crap coming out of her mouth must be coming from her girl clubs like swim aerobics and garden club. It breaks our hearts to see her this way, she is an educated woman who has traveled the world. She was the more liberal parent but now we have seen her and my dad switch sides. At least his vote will cancel hers out but the real sadness is the pessimism in the way she sees the world. The joy we feel for the world and each other is something that should never robbed from a person.

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