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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:36 PM

Star Member katmondoo (1,798 posts)

In answer to Lawrence O,Donnell

He votes third party because he lived in states that he says Democratic candidates never visit. I believe one was N.Y.
I lived in N.Y. and saw Eisenhower, Nixon, Kennedy and Reagan. Even shook hands with JFK. Saw Clinton in Florida and Michell Obama in Gainesville FL I am still very disappointed in Lawrence

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Reply In answer to Lawrence O,Donnell (Original post)
 katmondoo Oct 2012 OP
LineReply Me too! I sent an e-mail to msnbc.com
 hrmjustin Oct 2012 #1
LineLineReply Me too. First time I've ever sent an email to a host
 apples and oranges Oct 2012 #2
LineLineLineReply I hope a lot of people send messages to him. And it was my first one too.
 hrmjustin Oct 2012 #4
LineLineReply +1 good
 flamingdem Oct 2012 #5
LineLineReply What did you say in your email? (nt)
 Luminous Animal Oct 2012 #24
LineReply We should all give him a piece of our mind.
 LisaL Oct 2012 #3
LineLineReply You misssed Lawrence's point,
 elleng Oct 2012 #7
LineLineLineReply I got his point and he's wrong!
 RichGirl Oct 2012 #9
LineLineLineLineReply How does the popular vote matter?
 elleng Oct 2012 #13
LineLineLineLineLineReply Don't forget the double standard. The teapublicans
 apples and oranges Oct 2012 #16
LineLineLineReply WTF is an un-contested state?
 LisaL Oct 2012 #19
LineLineLineLineReply California and New York
 elleng Oct 2012 #21
LineLineLineLineLineNew Reply CA elected Arnold as a governor.
 LisaL Oct 2012 #34
LineReply Wasn't he suggesting voting 3d party in uncontested states
 elleng Oct 2012 #6
LineLineReply The problem is that there are
 ProSense Oct 2012 #8
LineLineLineReply If we're smart enough to vote 3d party to give visibility to issues they discuss,
 elleng Oct 2012 #11
LineLineLineLineReply We're talking about a large
 ProSense Oct 2012 #15
LineLineReply It's not the time, we cannot afford to indulge in that because
 flamingdem Oct 2012 #10
LineLineLineReply I really thought that after 2000....
 RichGirl Oct 2012 #14
LineLineLineReply Fear, fear, fear! Don't think just do!
 Luminous Animal Oct 2012 #26
LineLineLineLineReply I don't think it's fear that would prompt my decision to vote for a Democrat instead of 3rd party!
 flamingdem Oct 2012 #30
LineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Occupy is still carrying on all over this united states.. from supporting unions...
 Luminous Animal Oct 2012 #33
LineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Agree, not anytime soon
 flamingdem Oct 2012 #35
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply How about you tell ME about the guy who had congressmen get arrested.
 Luminous Animal Oct 2012 #42
LineLineReply If they had discussed everything everyone wanted them to discuss...
 RichGirl Oct 2012 #12
LineLineLineReply Really. Please tell me what you have learned from these debates..
 Luminous Animal Oct 2012 #28
LineLineLineLineReply Speaking of global warming,
 Blue_In_AK Oct 2012 #31
LineLineLineLineLineReply Not yet. But I intend to. I am pissed off that it wasn't addressed in the debates.
 Luminous Animal Oct 2012 #32
LineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply After you've had a chance to watch it,
 Blue_In_AK Oct 2012 #36
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Wow! Thank you for that! When I was visiting my family in Delaware and Maryland..
 Luminous Animal Oct 2012 #38
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply They really should start talking about it.
 Blue_In_AK Oct 2012 #41
LineLineReply Some so-called un-contested states are within 10% margin.
 LisaL Oct 2012 #17
LineLineReply NOW is not the fucking time for this
 rbrnmw Oct 2012 #20
LineReply Thanks for all those who are contacting Lawrence on this.. I think
 Cha Oct 2012 #18
LineReply I'm in IL
 teabaggersarestupid Oct 2012 #22
LineLineReply Third party debate
 teabaggersarestupid Oct 2012 #23
LineLineLineReply You do realize you are on Democratic Underground, do you?
 LisaL Oct 2012 #27
LineReply I'll email tomorrow
 DevonRex Oct 2012 #25
LineReply None of them ever come to Alaska.
 Blue_In_AK Oct 2012 #29
LineNew Reply If it's NY, Obama has that locked up. So it should be fine.
 limpyhobbler Oct 2012 #37
LineNew Reply Well he just blew his credibility with me bigtime.
 Waiting For Everyman Oct 2012 #39
LineNew Reply Please do not send emails complaining about Lawrence O'Donnell.
 limpyhobbler Oct 2012 #40

Response to katmondoo (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:37 PM

hrmjustin (8,896 posts)

1. Me too! I sent an e-mail to msnbc.com

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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:39 PM

apples and oranges (1,083 posts)

2. Me too. First time I've ever sent an email to a host

But his comments were way too irresponsible to let slide. What was he thinking???????????????

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Response to apples and oranges (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:41 PM

hrmjustin (8,896 posts)

4. I hope a lot of people send messages to him. And it was my first one too.

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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:44 PM

flamingdem (22,658 posts)

5. +1 good

Lawrence just lost my vote!

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Thu Oct 25, 2012, 02:28 AM

Luminous Animal (17,281 posts)

24. What did you say in your email? (nt)

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Response to katmondoo (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:40 PM

LisaL (22,801 posts)

3. We should all give him a piece of our mind.

Gore could have been president if not for Nader.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #3)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:48 PM

Star Member elleng (40,519 posts)

7. You misssed Lawrence's point,

to vote 3d party in UNCONTESTED states, which did not, and does not include Florida.

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Response to elleng (Reply #7)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:53 PM

RichGirl (3,657 posts)

9. I got his point and he's wrong!

The popular vote DOES MATTER! It is stupid and irresponsible to vote as a lark. If you prefer the 3rd party, then vote for them. But for God's sake...the one vote you have should be for the person you want to win.

We need to all tweet O'Donnell and let him know he's an idiot. I did...twice!

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Response to RichGirl (Reply #9)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:59 PM

Star Member elleng (40,519 posts)

13. How does the popular vote matter?

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Thu Oct 25, 2012, 12:05 AM

apples and oranges (1,083 posts)

16. Don't forget the double standard. The teapublicans

would be relentless in pointing out that Obama didn't win the popular vote and is therefore not legitimate.

We need to make sure Obama has a mandate. It would help in governing, and it would show that a majority of Americans rejected the teaparty, republicans, and everything they stand for.

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Response to elleng (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 12:10 AM

LisaL (22,801 posts)

19. WTF is an un-contested state?

PA? The difference there is less than 10 %. Michigan? The same-less than 10 %.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #19)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 12:14 AM

Star Member elleng (40,519 posts)

21. California and New York

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Response to elleng (Reply #21)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 03:19 AM

LisaL (22,801 posts)

34. CA elected Arnold as a governor.

You can't take anything for granted.

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Response to katmondoo (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:45 PM

Star Member elleng (40,519 posts)

6. Wasn't he suggesting voting 3d party in uncontested states

like NY and CA to provide visibility to 3d party candidates who, in their debate yesterday, DID discuss issues MANY Dems (including DUers) wanted discussed in the 2-party debates most of us saw?

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Response to elleng (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:51 PM

Star Member ProSense (98,101 posts)

8. The problem is that there are

a lot of down ballot races at stake. Also, I'm not sure why anyone would advocate peeling off the popular vote to possibly ensure Romney wins the popular vote.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #8)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:56 PM

Star Member elleng (40,519 posts)

11. If we're smart enough to vote 3d party to give visibility to issues they discuss,

we're smart enough to vote Dem down-ballot, and popular vote means nothing vis a vis President.

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Response to elleng (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 12:04 AM

Star Member ProSense (98,101 posts)

15. We're talking about a large

voting population, which includes voters who are still undecided. To suggest that the popular vote doesn't matter is dangerous. It could also have the effect of depressing the vote.

The message should be GOTV and vote Democratic.

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Response to elleng (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:55 PM

flamingdem (22,658 posts)

10. It's not the time, we cannot afford to indulge in that because

the other side use fascistic methods, it's not about pushing this or that issue!

Lawrence isn't thinking, the only reason it's acceptable is if the person wouldn't otherwise vote, at least then it might help down ballot.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #10)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 12:03 AM

RichGirl (3,657 posts)

14. I really thought that after 2000....

People would have gotten over the ego trip of using their vote to make a statement. (The statement in 2000 turned out to be that "Our irresponsible voting cost us the election...woohoo!" Even Michael Moore who pushed it has owned up to that mistake.

Your vote has one purpose and that is to insure that the candidate of your choice wins the election.

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Thu Oct 25, 2012, 02:33 AM

Luminous Animal (17,281 posts)

26. Fear, fear, fear! Don't think just do!

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Thu Oct 25, 2012, 02:47 AM

flamingdem (22,658 posts)

30. I don't think it's fear that would prompt my decision to vote for a Democrat instead of 3rd party!

If you're writing to me that is.. I don't see any third party candidate with the chops in the least for one and I think Obama is an excellent candidate. Occupy had its moment, we not moving to the left anytime soon.

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Thu Oct 25, 2012, 03:15 AM

Luminous Animal (17,281 posts)

33. Occupy is still carrying on all over this united states.. from supporting unions...

to protesting student debt, to blockading foreclosures, to shutting down the surveillance state. Occupy has only begun. All movements have taken decades to move a few feet towards their goal.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #33)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 03:36 AM

flamingdem (22,658 posts)

35. Agree, not anytime soon

Obama will do something about student loans and foreclosures. If they want to do something out of the mainstream how about climate change. Support the groups that are working against the pipeline. Remember the guy who did that and had congressmen getting arrested? Now that's leadership talent.

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Thu Oct 25, 2012, 05:20 AM

Luminous Animal (17,281 posts)

42. How about you tell ME about the guy who had congressmen get arrested.

I don't recall any congressmen getting arrested over the pipeline.

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Response to elleng (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:58 PM

RichGirl (3,657 posts)

12. If they had discussed everything everyone wanted them to discuss...

The debates would have lasted five hours! With access to so much information these days....we basically know everything about them and what they think anyway. A debate simply shows us how they interact, etc. Did anyone really want to see Obama and Romney argue over global warming? Romney would been pro or con, who the hell knows, and Obama would have had to call him out. Nothing new learned.

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Thu Oct 25, 2012, 02:39 AM

Luminous Animal (17,281 posts)

28. Really. Please tell me what you have learned from these debates..

And yes, I would have liked to see a substantive different approach to climate change. I would have liked substantive different approach to poverty. I would have like too see a substantive different approach to the surveillance state.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #28)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 02:49 AM

Star Member Blue_In_AK (37,719 posts)

31. Speaking of global warming,

did you watch Frontline last night?

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Thu Oct 25, 2012, 03:01 AM

Luminous Animal (17,281 posts)

32. Not yet. But I intend to. I am pissed off that it wasn't addressed in the debates.

Do the elite think that they are immune from the effects?

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #32)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 04:14 AM

Star Member Blue_In_AK (37,719 posts)

36. After you've had a chance to watch it,

Last edited Thu Oct 25, 2012, 04:17 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

I think you'll understand what has happened to the discussion about global warming, and it will PISS YOU OFF.

I think you might be interested in this report from our local news tonight (first in a continuing series) about Alaska's climate refugees. Western Alaska's Native villages are definitely the canaries in the coal mine. This is the story of just one of them. It's really worth reading Rhonda McBride's blog post and watching the video. Very eye-opening.

Newtok: Village on the Edge, Part One: Losing Ground

http://www.ktuu.com/news/reporters-notebook-a-preview-of-newtok-village-on-the-edge-102412,0,2150985.story

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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #36)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 04:38 AM

Luminous Animal (17,281 posts)

38. Wow! Thank you for that! When I was visiting my family in Delaware and Maryland..

(much of those states are slightly above, below, or at sea level) all the first page and headline news was concerned about rising water levels due to climate change. Few talk about these canaries in a coal mine.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #38)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 05:07 AM

Star Member Blue_In_AK (37,719 posts)

41. They really should start talking about it.

Real people's lives are being affected in life-changing ways.

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Response to elleng (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 12:06 AM

LisaL (22,801 posts)

17. Some so-called un-contested states are within 10% margin.

You lose 10 % of voters, you lose the states. And then you sit there with president Romney.
It's an outrageous thing to suggest.

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Thu Oct 25, 2012, 12:10 AM

rbrnmw (2,009 posts)

20. NOW is not the fucking time for this

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Response to katmondoo (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 12:08 AM

Star Member Cha (124,435 posts)

18. Thanks for all those who are contacting Lawrence on this.. I think

Pres Obama needs every Vote who wants to vote for him!

L O'D is great on so much but I don't agree with him on this.

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Response to katmondoo (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 12:16 AM

teabaggersarestupid (111 posts)

22. I'm in IL

 

and voted third party. Why the hell not? If I were in a battleground, I would vote Obama to prevent Romney from turning the U.S. into a third world country but any one of the third party candidates is better than Obama as they are not funded by corporate interests. I didn't realize this issue was that complicated and I'm surprised you guys are giving Lawrence such a hard time.

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Thu Oct 25, 2012, 12:18 AM

teabaggersarestupid (111 posts)

23. Third party debate

 

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Thu Oct 25, 2012, 02:36 AM

LisaL (22,801 posts)

27. You do realize you are on Democratic Underground, do you?

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Thu Oct 25, 2012, 02:31 AM

Star Member DevonRex (19,925 posts)

25. I'll email tomorrow

when I'm a bit more lucid. He pissed me off. Normally I like him. But no state is safe this year.

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Thu Oct 25, 2012, 02:47 AM

Star Member Blue_In_AK (37,719 posts)

29. None of them ever come to Alaska.

The VP candidates don't show up. They don't run any ads at all. The only presidential candidate that's come up here in my memory was Ron Paul.

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Thu Oct 25, 2012, 04:22 AM

limpyhobbler (6,637 posts)

37. If it's NY, Obama has that locked up. So it should be fine.

Lawrence can vote third party without fear of helping Romney.

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Thu Oct 25, 2012, 04:42 AM

Star Member Waiting For Everyman (6,371 posts)

39. Well he just blew his credibility with me bigtime.

That is an incredibly stupid thing to do, and to say.

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Response to katmondoo (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 05:02 AM

limpyhobbler (6,637 posts)

40. Please do not send emails complaining about Lawrence O'Donnell.

Do you have to complain just because an opinion show host on TV doesn't agree with you 110% ?

Actually he does agree with you 110%, he just had a slightly different thought on tactics.

This is one of the best shows on TV.

He is a real human TV host, not a robot. Do you want a robot that just sits and repeats Party-approved talking points?

Please be adult enough to allow for a slight difference of tactics by a show host without having to file a complaint with the business office.
###

Note: I did not see the show, so I'm just going by what it says in the original post up top.

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