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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:39 PM

Rachel about to cover 269 strategy

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Reply Rachel about to cover 269 strategy (Original post)
flamingdem Oct 2012 OP
DonCoquixote Oct 2012 #1
flamingdem Oct 2012 #2
kerouac2 Oct 2012 #3
Blue Idaho Oct 2012 #4
flamingdem Oct 2012 #5
Blue Idaho Oct 2012 #7
AlinPA Oct 2012 #11
flamingdem Oct 2012 #14
Blue Idaho Oct 2012 #21
ProudProgressiveNow Oct 2012 #29
Samantha Oct 2012 #39
Blue Idaho Oct 2012 #41
Samantha Oct 2012 #42
H2O Man Oct 2012 #6
burrowowl Oct 2012 #25
flamingdem Oct 2012 #8
marions ghost Oct 2012 #9
flamingdem Oct 2012 #12
marions ghost Oct 2012 #28
MrsBrady Oct 2012 #10
flamingdem Oct 2012 #13
BarKim Oct 2012 #15
flamingdem Oct 2012 #20
abumbyanyothername Oct 2012 #16
abumbyanyothername Oct 2012 #19
morningfog Oct 2012 #17
Motown_Johnny Oct 2012 #18
flamingdem Oct 2012 #23
Motown_Johnny Oct 2012 #40
TardisBlue Oct 2012 #22
flamingdem Oct 2012 #24
naturallyselected Oct 2012 #26
flamingdem Oct 2012 #30
smackd Oct 2012 #27
flamingdem Oct 2012 #31
ProudProgressiveNow Oct 2012 #32
flamingdem Oct 2012 #34
jberryhill Oct 2012 #33
flamingdem Oct 2012 #35
jberryhill Oct 2012 #38
GeorgeGist Oct 2012 #36
mick063 Oct 2012 #37

Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:40 PM

1. I love RM, but

I do hope this is not another MSNBC "you know, we are still going to lose" piece. Tweety did enough damage.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:42 PM

2. This was my first reaction and I turned it off

Then I noticed that David Zepher had written on Romney's strategy to get to 269 and I thought we had better listen up, we'll see.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:45 PM

3. Interesting point about Maine and Nebraska 1EV

Romney's dumping ads in the one Maine area in hopes of getting 1 ev. Pretty slick. Hopefully Obama's dumping some bucks there and in the 1 Nebraska area that he won last time for 1 EV...

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:50 PM

4. Sorry - I'm not buying what Rachel is selling.

The 269 story is the handwringing meme of the moment.

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Response to Blue Idaho (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:53 PM

5. We have to keep in mind that news

has to be entertainment in this country. That said this is probably what the Rmoney team hopes for, but from what I'm seeing that's all they've got - a Hail Mary fluffed up with unrealistic hope

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:57 PM

7. There is no news - there is only entertainment.

The M$M closed their news divisions decades ago and rolled all the employees into the entertainment division of their networks.

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Response to Blue Idaho (Reply #7)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:03 PM

11. The employees are all actors - entertainers. There are no journalists on CNN, Fox and MSNBC.

Producers run it all.

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Response to AlinPA (Reply #11)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:07 PM

14. Too bad the BBC doesn't set up shop in NYC

I'd switch to them but they probably would get chased out with msm pitchforks

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Response to AlinPA (Reply #11)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:09 PM

21. Amen!

Murrow, Cronkite, Huntley and Brinkley are spinning in their graves.

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Response to Blue Idaho (Reply #7)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:29 PM

29. +1

Sadly true. I miss the NEWS.

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Response to Blue Idaho (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:32 PM

39. I just posted this on the other thread; Nate Silver gives this scenario a .7% chance of happening

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/author/nate-silver/

I do think there will be a lot of unorthodox maneuvers to throw the election Romney's way so I am in agreement with those on guard in that arena.

Sam

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Response to Samantha (Reply #39)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 10:19 AM

41. Thank You! nt.

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Response to Blue Idaho (Reply #41)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 11:33 AM

42. Looks like it has dropped from .7% to .5% today

Scenario Analysis

Electoral College tie (269 electoral votes for each candidate) 0.5%

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/author/nate-silver/

Sam

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:54 PM

6. Recommended.

Thank you for posting this.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:15 PM

25. She does make a point of

the reading of the Constitution.

May we not come to this!

Love ya H2O Man!

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:57 PM

8. This would require losing NV

and that seems unlikely

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #8)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:01 PM

9. whew



GOTV battleground states!

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #9)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:04 PM

12. That was pretty terrifying

The worst being Rmoney as President with Biden nipping his heels followed closely by President ... hic Boehner ... the free world would go nuts, who's watching the button, he's always wasted at 3am!

Darn those Founding Fathers they didn't think enough about crazy Republicans!

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #12)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:27 PM

28. Yeah scary

that solution seems kinda archaic.

Just count the blinking popular votes.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:02 PM

10. this seems really unlikely to me

and I don't know why she's wasting her time on this...

unless she's just geeking out....which she tends to do.
Usually I like that about her...but

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Response to MrsBrady (Reply #10)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:05 PM

13. That was irresistable for her and she set us up

She stood up, made it dramatic, and horrified us with a scenario that's not going to happen.. but could!

Kind of a script for a horror film

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:07 PM

15. I want my mommy now!

She just scared the living shit out me!!!!!

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Response to BarKim (Reply #15)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:09 PM

20. What do you mean it would be fun to have President Boehner

as the most powerful person in the world.. that would NOT help his drinking problem

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:07 PM

16. Tune into C-Span (350 on DirecTV)

They are now going through the Florida election in painstaking detail with both Republican and Democratic spokespersons carefully answering phone calls and tweets, with a moderator taking control of the discussion and all in all being very informative.

Even lunatic callers get treated with respect and their questions are answered in detail and with clarity.

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Response to abumbyanyothername (Reply #16)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:08 PM

19. Tomorrow

they will be covering NV, I think.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:07 PM

17. I mentioned this at the beginning of the month, but still am not worried about it.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:08 PM

18. I think she missed a trick

As I understand it, and I could easily be wrong, if a state has an even split between (R) and (D) Representatives in it's state's caucus then that state does not vote to elect a President (assuming a 269-269 finish).

It is also my understanding that a majority must be reached in The House. She touched on a 25-25 tie but didn't go into it any more than that. The House must get to 26 state caucuses all voting for the same guy or they don't have an outcome in the vote.



^Disclaimer^

I am getting a lot of this from a thread that was up here on Saturday. If the other posters are wrong than so am I.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1589540

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #18)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:11 PM

23. Someone else just posted that thread

it seems more like a curiosity for political geekland .. here's hoping anyway

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #23)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 07:17 AM

40. Yes, I think the entire discussion is a curiosity for political geekland

but when in geekland do as the geeks do.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:09 PM

22. IF. IF. IF. If a bullfrog had wings, then he wouldn't bump his butt!

President Obama is kicking butt on the campaign trail and we need to GOTV. I do enjoy RM, but encouraging this 'close race' narrative is getting old simply because it isn't true.

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Response to TardisBlue (Reply #22)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:12 PM

24. Yes, they need to give it up

the excitement is going to be diminished but how much more do they want to squeeze out of the campaigns? The law of diminishing returns has kicked in.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:23 PM

26. I don't buy it

Between now and Election Day, the President will solidify his lead (more likely), or the tide will turn, and Romney will take a lead (less likely). I know the national popular vote isn't what determines who wins the White House, but these battleground states aren't all that different than anywhere else. They're just the places where things are close. If President Obama gains in national popularity, his lead in the "safe"states will be bigger, and he'll take the majority of the swing states. If Romney gains in popularity nationally, his lead in his safe states will be bigger, and he'll take more of the swing states.

It's probably intuition more than anything else, but I just don't see an even split of the battleground states. I worry a lot more about Romney taking more of these states than expected, than things working out so that there is a tie. I hope the President solidifies his lead, and almost all of the swing states go his way, and maybe it's just wishful thinking, but I believe the rational part of my brain thinks that will be the outcome too.

I just hope President Obama finds a way to do it without needing Ohio, as I don't trust the vote count in that state at all. The chances Maine's electoral votes will be split? Not likely - I live here, and that second district elected a Democrat to be their House representative, Michaud has a big lead in the polls, and I don't see that district going to Romney, no matter how much they saturate the airwaves. The only reason we have the teabag nutcase we have for governor is a fluke 3-way election. All of Maine is safe for the President.

I don't think this election will be as close as many think. I'm hoping and thinking Obama will win big, but if Romney does, it won't be that close either.

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Response to naturallyselected (Reply #26)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:35 PM

30. Good to hear about Maine

I wasn't sure with your governor if the state had gone rightward. So happy to hear that's not the case. I used to go to Monhegan Island sometimes as a kid and lived in Vermont, even hitchhiked through Maine a couple of times and really love the state. I think Ohio is in the bag and while I am worried about tricks at least they are on it, 2000 incidents already addressed by the Obama team, and so many exit polls will make it difficult to grab. Also Nevada seems sure now, it's nerve wracking but much less this week than last! Ed had a a guest yesterday, the Rep. from Ohio who said she's not that worried about the voting machines because they've been certified. fingers crossed!

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:25 PM

27. don't see it happening...IA, CO, NV, OH = all going to O (nm)

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Response to smackd (Reply #27)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:35 PM

31. I agree

We've got a good scenario and Obama and team don't fool around!

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:41 PM

32. President Boehner?

The Apocalypse is this year according to some.

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Response to ProudProgressiveNow (Reply #32)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:42 PM

34. We might as well start drinking

Leadership flows from the top they say, plus the Mayas have the apocolypse lined up for 12.12.12

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:41 PM

33. Props for "Rachel" and "69" in a subject line!

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #33)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:45 PM

35. Isn't it funny how a mention of "69" just jumps off the page like that?

Something to try another time in a title to see if the theory holds.

or

Poll Blah leads Bleh 69% to 31% - people would click..

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #35)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:09 PM

38. "click"?

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:58 PM

36. Cocktail Time.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:01 PM

37. The President will get 330 plus

 


Why all the hand wringing?

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