Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:47 PM
louis c (4,595 posts)
Gallup's Own Polling Numbers Indicate an Obama Landslide, Not a Romney LeadLast edited Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:03 PM USA/ET - Edit history (6)
I remember every political pundit I listened to just 2 or 3 months ago, telling me that all we had to do was watch the President's approval numbers. If he was 50% or above, he couldn't be beaten.
Occasionally, as in 2004, the incumbent could be just slightly under 50% and still win (Bush at 49.7%). Gallup's explanation in Jan. 2012 http://www.gallup.com/poll/152051/Obama-Faces-Challenging-Election-Climate.aspx Today (10/24), Gallup has Romney with a 3 point lead nationwide with Likely Voters. Even accounting for the fact that Obama's approval numbers are with Registered Voters, his 53% to 42% approval-disapproval spread this late in the game is more suggestive of an Obama electoral vote landslide than a 3 point Romney lead. I follow these numbers very closely. I remember what all the pundits say. These numbers, from the same pollster on the same day interviewing the same people, make no sense at all, even using the pollster's own reasoning. Link; http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx
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| Author | Time | Post | |
| louis c | Oct 2012 | OP | |
| HubertHeaver | Oct 2012 | #1 | |
| SleeplessinSoCal | Oct 2012 | #2 | |
| KaryninMiami | Oct 2012 | #3 | |
| louis c | Oct 2012 | #7 | |
| Third Doctor | Oct 2012 | #4 | |
| Tutonic | Oct 2012 | #5 | |
| louis c | Oct 2012 | #14 | |
| DCBob | Oct 2012 | #6 | |
| louis c | Oct 2012 | #8 | |
| DCBob | Oct 2012 | #9 | |
| louis c | Oct 2012 | #10 | |
| AverageJoe90 | Oct 2012 | #12 | |
| unc70 | Oct 2012 | #11 | |
| Hamlette | Oct 2012 | #13 | |
| louis c | Oct 2012 | #15 | |
| outsideworld | Oct 2012 | #16 | |
| Jennicut | Oct 2012 | #17 | |
| justiceischeap | Oct 2012 | #18 |
Response to louis c (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:50 PM
HubertHeaver (1,028 posts)
1. Gallup's polling is very confusing to Gallup.
Response to HubertHeaver (Reply #1)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:53 PM
SleeplessinSoCal (1,624 posts)
2. This is why God gave us Nate Silver
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Response to SleeplessinSoCal (Reply #2)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:56 PM
KaryninMiami (2,833 posts)
3. Yes- I refer to Nate Silver as my Xanax
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When I'm heading towards the ledge, Nate talks me down. Almost every time although there have been moments when even Nate has had me a bit jittery. Hopefully those days are over for this campaign...
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Response to HubertHeaver (Reply #1)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:58 PM
louis c (4,595 posts)
7. It certainly is confusing to me
Response to louis c (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:57 PM
Third Doctor (1,025 posts)
4. I stopped trying to figure Gallup out years ago.
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Last edited Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:57 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) I just know now not to trust everything they release.
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Response to louis c (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:57 PM
Tutonic (2,470 posts)
5. Watch Gallup and Rasmussen over the next ten days.
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They'll start to correct their numbers so that on November 7th, they can boast to their FOX and Friends that they called it right all along. Also look for them to start selling snake oil around November 8th.
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Response to Tutonic (Reply #5)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 01:39 AM
louis c (4,595 posts)
14. Rasmussen has topped Gallup
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Rasmussen is now Romney +4 and Gallup is Romney +3.
Yet Rasmussen still has Obama up in its own EV count. Go Figure |
Response to louis c (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:58 PM
DCBob (14,746 posts)
6. There is serious disconnect in those numbers.
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With Obama having that high an approval I dont see how on earth Romney still leads. It hard to believe such a large chunk of respondents would say they approve the Presidents performance but wont vote for him. I think Gallup's methodoligy is flawed.
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Response to DCBob (Reply #6)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:11 PM
louis c (4,595 posts)
8. That's why I posted this
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Last edited Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:43 PM USA/ET - Edit history (2) Why isn't this being talked about on any cable shows?
It is an interesting contradiction and it would be interesting to hear an explanation from Gallup. |
Response to louis c (Reply #8)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:14 PM
DCBob (14,746 posts)
9. Agreed. Gallup should attempt to explain it..
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because to most normal thinking people that makes zero sense.
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Response to DCBob (Reply #9)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:44 PM
louis c (4,595 posts)
10. Thanks for the response
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Response to DCBob (Reply #6)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 12:26 AM
AverageJoe90 (5,215 posts)
12. Me neither.
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IMHO, I've long suspected it's just to keep ad revenue going. Without a horse race....well, it's pretty obvious.
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Response to louis c (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:07 PM
unc70 (2,317 posts)
11. Gallup had extreme outlier polling couple days last week
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Last edited Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:49 PM USA/ET - Edit history (2) That was when they went suddenly from Obama +2 RV to Romney +2 RV, that on a 7 day rolling average. This means they had some incredibly unlikely polling outlier sample happening twice and on succesvide days, or as I suspect they somehow really screwed things up somehow.
Those strange polling samples are now aging out of the 7-day average and Obama surged to +1 RV. The gap for LV has now closed from -7 to -3, but should close another 2-3 assuming the 3-day job approval increase holds or advances. We have been discussing this on DU ever since Gallup went weirder than usual, about 5 days ago. If this plays out as we believe likely over the next few days, I expect the MSM will be all over the place trying to explain Obama's "unexplained" surge. |
Response to unc70 (Reply #11)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 12:42 AM
Hamlette (11,844 posts)
13. agreed, if Gallup is down to a three point spread, the last 2-3 days of polling must be good for us.
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I wonder if they just had a terribly off couple of days.
Nate (he's my xanax too although the last couple of weeks I've been taking the real stuff too...whole 'nother story) said recently that Gallup is always off 2-3 weeks out from an election then come to the "real" numbers later. |
Response to Hamlette (Reply #13)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 06:22 AM
louis c (4,595 posts)
15. Today (10/25), will be an interesting watch of Gallup
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The trend line is important here.
If Obama shows an even 1 point move and cuts to 2, that will be significant. I've seen polling data that shows that the national numbers are being run up by huge Romney pluralities in the deep South, none of which are swing states. As these national numbers move toward Obama, those voters are generally in the swing states that control the Electoral College. |
Response to louis c (Original post)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 06:55 AM
outsideworld (599 posts)
16. How
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On earth was bush at 49?
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Response to louis c (Original post)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 07:19 AM
Jennicut (25,335 posts)
17. Approval is all adults.
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I don't know why they don't do approval for LV's or RV's.
Gallup is confusing in general. |
Response to louis c (Original post)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 07:25 AM
justiceischeap (9,766 posts)
18. I'm convinced for the most part that all these polls are BS
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I'm also convinced that people lie to on-phone pollsters. If I recall, exit polls and polls in general had Kerry trending toward a win... it was close but he was trending that way and he lost.
I'm not saying President Obama is going to lose, far from it, I think he's going to win. I've stated repeatedly, he has the hispanic vote, women's vote, millennial vote, african-american vote... I'm pretty sure minorities, women and the youngins combined with Democratic/Independent/Moderate males puts President Obama over the top no matter what the numbers show. And as the OP said, if his approval rating stays above 50% over the next 11 days, all these +Romney's will be for naught and show how bogus the polls really are. |

