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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRomney's 269 Electoral Vote Strategy Will Begin This Weekend.
The Romney group will reveal their hand this weekend as they move to the last days of the election with their best shot at winning the White House. They are going for a 269 electoral victory. And with fury. It's already happening.
It is important for Democrats to understand this:
President Obama needs 270 electoral votes to win, but Mitt Romney only needs 269.
If there's a 269/269 electoral tie on election night, the GOP dominated House of Representatives gets to choose the next President of the United States.
And the 269 scenario is the easiest road to the White House for Romney. And it is the road they are going to take. You heard it here first.
This weekend at the earliest, or Monday by the latest, we will see Romney's advertising dollars and manpower shift big-time for the 269 template.
1.) Romney's campaign will without fanfare (and certainly without tipping their hat as much as possible) quietly pull out of Ohio, New Hampshire, Wisconsin and Michigan and put it all down on the following:
a.) holding their current leads in Florida, Virginia and North Carolina
b.) pumping the rest into Iowa, Nevada and Colorado
2.) Doing the above let's them focus on the 269 they need to toss it to the House for their victory.
Of course, Romney's campaign will head-fake by keeping some advertising going in the other battleground states and leave a showing of a ground game there, but:
1.) Romney cannot win Ohio, Wisconsin, New Hampshire or Michigan. Obama will win them. Those states are beyond his control and they are not going to waste money and time the last week there except to keep Obama's campaign guessing.
2.) I ask you: Where did Romney run to after the last debates? Nevada and Colorado.
3.) I ask you: Where is Romney today? Iowa.
It's the 269 electoral strategy and Romney's easiest and best chance left to win.
Be aware. It's already begun.
aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)Joe Biden is still the VP for another 4 years.
The House chooses the President.
The Senate chooses the VP.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)So should this extreme long-shot occur, it will be a Republican administration with the VP waiting ot attend state funerals and break a tie in the Senate.
jmowreader
(50,546 posts)If a bill gets less than 60 votes it dies, and 50 is just as dead as 59.
brooklynite
(94,480 posts)Dems will hold the Senate, and I've talked to Reid and most D Senate candidates aboutnthis. the momentum is there.
jmowreader
(50,546 posts)The current rule is ruining the country, but if there's a Romney presidency the Democrats won't change it, as the Democrats will save us from Romney's austerity policies.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Even if he isn't called, he has that power.
The 60 votes are on Cloture on the Motion to Proceed. if it passes, it is then voted on in the Senate. Once a bill gets to the floor, it still needs to pass by a majority vote. Bills have passed cloture and still failed to pass for various reasons. In the event of a tie, the VP is tiebreaker.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)The Senate can pick whoever they want. If you really want to fracture the electorate, pick Obama not Biden.
nsd
(2,406 posts)The 12th amendment specifies that it has to choose between the two top vote-getters.
The relevant part of the text: "The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."
BainsBane
(53,026 posts)A Dem VP would be put in an isolated office and allowed to do nothing but break senate ties. Obama would never agree to that. This scenario is EXTREMELY unlikely because of the current polling status of the electoral map. If Obama wins Ohio and NH, he'll also get Nevada. Then it's game over for Mitt.
unc70
(6,110 posts)Doing what you suggest screws everyone down ticket with no chance of success. In my opinion.
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)It's Romney's only way to victory, unc70.
unc70
(6,110 posts)Polls are about to collapse on Romney everywhere. Gallup has aged out its bad polling days, Obama already surging on job approval which should be reflected in further closing the gap or even going Obama +1 LV on Gallup national. Ohio moving to Obama +5. Despite the polls, places like VA and even NC are very much in play for Obama. Things like enthusiasm, low turnout among blacks from gay marriage or whatever, and all the others are just myths that were supported by flawed or fraudulent polling.
Game about over for Romney.
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)Romney will walk away from Ohio this weekend leaving on the pretense of a campaign there. He can't win.
Romney's path to 270 is nearly impossible. They know that. They will focus on what they think they can win.
unc70
(6,110 posts)I don't see your scenario as anything more than an intellectual exercise, sort of like discussing whether George Romney or John McCain were really natural born citizens.
I have been looking broadly at recent polling and in depth at many of them. I already posted my conclusions on DU. The Obama campaign is so far ahead and thorough in their planning in every detail there is no way your proposed scenario is somehow still a viable option. No way.
As I personally see this playing out, the polling is about to surge for Obama at the state and national level. Worse for Romney, while we, the pollsters, and MSM are looking at samples of hundred or a few thousand, Axelrod et al are tracking nearly ever potential voter in the swing states. We assume, they know.
You seem really interested in promoting this scenario. I know this has been circulating among media types, an EV tie possibility gets dragged out every four years, but is there some additional reason you seem so committed to this unlikely scenario?
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)will bring lots of adverse publicity and be indicative that his campaign is losing momentum and there strategy is that they have momentum. For that matter early voting numbers in Iowa are pretty strongly democratic and it might be difficult for him to pull out victory there.
No Republican has won without Ohio and that is the whole ball game.
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)It's gone. David Axelrod and the President sealed that deal long ago. The early voting math is impossible for Romney now.
WI_DEM, my message here is Romney can't get to 270. That's the real message. They will punt for what they can get.
Berlum
(7,044 posts)Pirate Smile
(27,617 posts)Demographics & the Reid/OFA machine have already won Nevada. It's gone.
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)Harry Reid, who I like (while some here attack him a lot) is Mormon and he wins lots of Republican Mormon votes. And he still barely won his Senate seat.
The casino money is "in" for Romney like never before. I won't argue with you, but ask youself:
Why did Romeny run to Nevada after the debate. Watch next week, he'll be returning there.
Floyd_Gondolli
(1,277 posts)Just a thought.
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)The very best Romney can do now is 269. They know it.
His trip after the debate revealed it all.
Floyd_Gondolli
(1,277 posts)scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)My message is that Romney can't get to 270. He will not win Ohio and he knows it. The President's campaign nailed have nailed that down. Romney has to have another path to win and it requires Nevada which is why he left the debate and went to Nevada, Colorado and Iowa.
Iowa, I believe is unwinnable for Romney, but he has little other options.
SWTORFanatic
(385 posts)He could also win OH + CO + IA or NV
Or OH + VA + IA or NV
Or OH + VA + WI or CO
Or OH + WI + CO
and many other paths as well.
How are you getting Rmoney to 269?
206 (in the bag) + FL + CO + VA + NV + IA?
aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)Obama and Reid WAAAAAAY over performed their number.
The pollsters can't figure out the hispanic vote. I have never worried about Nevada from the start. If the polls have Obama up 3-5, he wins by 8-10 on election day.
Pirate Smile
(27,617 posts)consistently.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)They are a good source.
SingleSeatBiggerMeat
(220 posts)David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)That will tell everyone everything.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)and if he pulls out of some states, they will lose more house seats
plus there are 2 states where 1 electoral vote might go to Obama
and Gary Johnson looms
if mitt shows he is out of Ohio, johnson is going to be more of a factor
And Goode in Virginia
Most polls are not showing either of them
and Obama is oging to win Florida and Virginia, though he don't have to
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)Not arguing.
Where was Romney after the debate? Nevada, Colorado and Iowa.
269.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)the voters won't be there in Nev. and Iowa
let alone Florida or Virginia
and if the Dems win bigger than you think, the house could be ours.
0rganism
(23,933 posts)it's not incredibly likely, but i think it's more likely than Rmoney winning all of FL, VA, NC, IA, NV, and CO. Especially NV and IA. If Obama grows some coattails, a Democratic house majority could happen...
dsc
(52,155 posts)so I don't think this will work. I am amazed at how well we are doing there.
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)Romney can't break 270. There's no road for him to do it. The best he can do at this point is the 269 template. That's why he left the debate and headed straight to Nevada, Colorado and now Iowa. It's all he has.
President Obama and his entire team have run a masterful campaign against all odds. They started early where they needed to: the midwest. It worked.
Let's cross our fingers that we have an upset by winning either one or all of Florida, Virginia or North Carolina and we can all breathe because then it will really be over.
Romney's road to the White House is very narrow now. They will platoon their resources where I've described.
dsc
(52,155 posts)I know you live out there, like I lived in Ohio. I don't think Romney can win Ohio either in part because of early voting and in part because of the polls. But in Nevada there isn't even one poll with Romney leading or tied. I just don't see anyway Romney can win out there unless the polls are just plain off.
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)We agree about Ohio. I'm not very secure about about Colorado, but I can hope, can't I.
My OP was that I believe what I describe is the only path Romney really has left. Someone messaged me that Rachel Maddow mentioned this tonight on her show (not my post, but the 269 template). I wish I could have seen it.
When Romney left the debate and went straight to those three states, it just fits in with the whole desperate picture they now face. The faces of the Romney family after the debate are the saddest forced smiles I've seen in a debate. They know the internal numbers. They are in their end game now.
Axelrod is a genius and the Obama ground game is brilliant. The ads in the midwest months ago paid off. And Ohio started voting eons ago.
Yes, Nevada's polls are all over the place, but the Latino vote is motivated and all this "rape" crap that the GOP keeps spewing out is really turning everyone off except the haters.
I just can't see how Romney can get to 270, dsc. I don't see it. New Hampshire, one of his hopes, has melted away from him, too.
But they are very tricky and his easiest path now is 269 and that would be truly horrible if he succeeded, which I don't think he will as I think Florida and Virginia will fall for Obama. If Virginia goes to Obama, it's all over.
BainsBane
(53,026 posts)He wins the election because he'll also carry WI. No way Obama wins IA and loses WI. That should put him over 270.
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)Romney's campaign is down to very limited options without Ohio. And Romney won't win it and I think they know it.
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)The risk is the House and the fact that it is not a straight up or down vote but instead it is a vote by the state delegations.
The wild card is the 112th Congress does not vote but instead the 113th Congress votes.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Winning Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, Iowa, Nevada and Colorado is about 100 to 1 shot. Aint gonna happen.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)little less of a long shot.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)I have long said he has no viable path to 270. His path to 269 is still very, very tough and very, very narrow.
Iowa has already started early voting, and Obama is doing well. I think Nevada has too. Romney has never led in Nevada or Iowa.
I honestly can't figure out what the hell is wrong with CO that is has narrowed so much there.
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)Your first sentence is the key to everything, morningfog: "I have long said he has no viable path to 270." I agree with that.
His path to 269 is easier. The path to 269 are the states I mention and where he is polling best and where he is now spending his time in person.
ncav53
(168 posts)David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)That's why he ran to Nevada after the debate.
He's losing and they know it.
It showed in his eyes during the debate. It showed in the eyes of his wife and children.
He has a very limited path to the White House.
President Obama, David Axelrod and all the campaign ran a great campaign against all odds and a ruthless media. They started early in the mid-west and it worked.
The hardest state of the ones I mentioned for Romney to win will be Iowa.
Go Obama!
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)krawhitham
(4,641 posts)SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)Obamaha? In Case of a 269-269 Electoral Split
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Nebraska may be a reliably red state, but the Obama campaign has had staff on the ground in Omaha since October, and the campaign has an office opening there planned for March 15, campaign sources say.
Why?
Because Nebraska is one of two states (the other is Maine) that awards electoral votes according to congressional district. And in case of any 269-269 electoral college tie, the campaign is taking no chances.
Scoff if you like but the campaign did this in 2008, and won Nebraskas 2nd congressional district. The Obama campaign jokingly referred to the strategy and the city as Obamaha. No one outside the state really noticed that Nebraska split its electoral votes, given Mr. Obamas electoral landslide, but what started out as a just-in-case measure actually proved itself as achievable.
But how likely is a 269-269 electoral vote split? Not as unlikely as you might think.
Lets assume an election where the battleground states are, from west to east, NV, CO, NM, IA, MO, WI, MI, FL, OH, NC, VA, PA and NH. Lets give all of them to the GOP except for FL, MI, and NC.
269-269.
Or try again but this time give Obama WI, MI, OH, PA, NH and NM.
269-269.
So Obamaha might come in handy.
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)But we really need Iowa. That's our best shot to shut this thing down.
I do not believe Romney can get more than 269. It's just not there. And I'm sure they know it, too.
It's too late for Ohio for Romney.
Here's what I firmly believe: Romney cannot get to 270.
We need Iowa or Nevada or Colorado...or Nebraska
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)at least I hope so.. but with Ohio's voting shenanigans, who knows.. As long as Karl Rove is on the planet, we can never be sure of much..except for skullduggery & cheating
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)I liked your map, by the way.
Unfortunately, some here missed (not you) my overarching point: Mitt Romney's window has narrowed down to what I believe is only 269 and that's if he can hold on to Florida, Virginia and North Carolina. I believe Florida will be a blue state again and probably Virginia, too.
Romney's in a vice. It showed on the faces of his family after the debate.
Come on Nebraska!
ItsTheMediaStupid
(2,800 posts)nT
nsd
(2,406 posts)He won the Omaha district, which gave him 1 EV. McCain took the other 4 EV.
But in any case, if Obama is doing well enough to win Omaha, he'll certainly win Iowa (and probably several other swing states) too.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)SingleSeatBiggerMeat
(220 posts)While this is one of the better discussions I have gotten into in my short time here, I had one other thought about Nevada.
Could you imagine the mobilization of hispanic and union voters in Clark Couny if they knew Nevada was the only thing between Obama and "Self Deportation?"
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)Iowa, Colorado and Nevada are essential for our GOTV. You said it.
krawhitham
(4,641 posts)Since the incoming house picks
MineralMan
(146,282 posts)That's what that is. It won't succeed.
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)President Obama and David Axelrod and his amazing campaign did an amazing job early on in the mid-west.
Romney can not win Ohio. I don't think he will carry Iowa or Nevada either, but it's about all he has left. I also may be naive, but I feel very good about Florida.
MFM008
(19,803 posts)OHIO,NEVADA,IOWA.
Plus holding the Kerry states of 2004.
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)We win.
porphyrian
(18,530 posts)MuhkRahker
(104 posts)Dalai_1
(1,301 posts)The show Rachel had this week sure highlighted the registration
problems and refusal to make it right..I think she said they
only had 11 days to correct all these problems..
yellowcanine
(35,698 posts)Go for it Mitt. You miss on one of those states, and you will, and you lose.
oswaldactedalone
(3,490 posts)by winning Maine's 2nd district. Thug PACs are getting ready to sink a half mil of ads to try to win that district. These ads might impact New Hampshire as well.
RedSpartan
(1,693 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)bigtree
(85,984 posts)probably will lose in Iowa because he's snubbed them at every turn and the Obama camp has an established ground operation there.
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)Romney will not win Ohio. And I think they know it because of the early voting and Obama's masterful campaign there. It leaves them a scrambling and they have to focus on the few options they have left and try to fake out the Prez. We have to really be vigilant with Iowa and Nevada. I'm still very optimistic about Florida and Virginia. This "rape" crap for these GOP men will really turn off people.
Takket
(21,550 posts)If you believe this site:
http://www.electionprojection.com/2012elections/president12.php
and you assume romeny wins all the states that he is "weakly" ahead in right now, that leaves him at 257, 12 shy of 269
the states obama is "weakly" ahead in are
Iowa (6)
Nevada (6)
New Hampshire (4)
Ohio (18)
Wisconsin (10)
so to get to 269, or more, romney has to flip:
Ohio by itself
OR
Wisconsin + any other 1 state
OR
Iowa + Nevada
Tribetime
(4,684 posts)H2O Man
(73,524 posts)I note that some DUers I respect as intelligent people are responding with "not likely" to the OP. I remember that in 2000, the presidential election was decided by the US Supreme Court. That not only was "not likely," but was not legal -- in fact, it required the USSC to make a determination was was A-Okay with widespread voter suppression.
More, the combined dark forces of the rabid religious right, the neoconservative war machine, and the ultra-rich 1% are going all out to "win" this election. People like the Koch brothers do not invest 500 million in elections and willingly let fairness rule.
I do not think that enough people are fully aware of the beast we are confronting.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)Nate Silver only gives it a .7% chance of happening. So that might be why not too many people are too concerned this will happen. Check here:
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/author/nate-silver/
Under Scenario Analysis:
"Electoral College tie (269 electoral votes for each candidate) 0.7%"
I do wholeheartedly agree with anyone though who says the Romney campaign will in "unorthodox" ways conspire to rig a victory through whatever maneuvers they find necessary.
Sam
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)And I don't think he's going to get those either (some think I'm saying he will, but I'm saying he has to try for that).
Ohio is gone. The early voting is so far in President Obama's favor that the Romney group knows it. Look at the video of Romney's family's faces after the debate. Those were not joyous smiles. They were sad smiles.
Romney will not carry Nevada or Iowa (he might get Colorado), but he has no other choice now but to try to hold on to his fractional lead in Virginia, North Carolina and Florida (I think Obama will carry Florida and Virginia) and shoot for 269.
I feel better now about the election than I have in a long time.
Still, as you say, they are beasts and they will do anything for power. Including taking it to the House of Representatives.
a kennedy
(29,642 posts)ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Book it. He's more likely to get Iowa than Nevada.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)I'm so sick of their ridiculous and false commercials. We'll beat their 269 strategy by winning both Virginia and Ohio...
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)I actually President Obama will win Florida, too along with Virginia.
Romney's path is very limited now. Even New Hampshire melted away from him.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)don't require additional resources. Also, Romney has no chance in NV. None.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)I gotta say it's a bogus posit.
I have about as much chance of nailing Halley Berry as that scenario working out.
Elegant stuff, though.
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)Obama's campaign has Romney pinned down to a pathetic last shot at 269. There's no other path and they'll have to put their resources there. The OP is about how Axelrod/Obama and their campaign have limited Romney to just 269. And they won't get that either. But show me any other credible path for Romney now. There isn't one. That's how bad his campaign is at this point. They have to concentrate somewhere and this is the best I can see them. The good news is they won't win Iowa or Nevada. I really think President Obama will win Florida and Virginia. If so, it's all over.
obnoxiousdrunk
(2,909 posts)NPR was talking about today. It sounded so ridiculous.
unc70
(6,110 posts)This type things always pops up a couple weeks before every presidential election. Nothing to see. Move along.
Texas Lawyer
(350 posts)than his odds in Nevada.
Romney is in Iowa because it not quite out of his reach, and he's in Nevada because (1) he is kissing Sheldon Adelson's ring or ass or both and (2) the GOP wants that Nevada Senate seat almost as it wants to beat the President.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)demgrrrll
(3,590 posts)He was shot down by other guests IIRC but he had a great interest in the possibility of 269. He also seemed sad and subdued.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)God, I hope so.
If Mitt loses Ohio, stick a fork in him. I say he's done.
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)I am so impressed at how Axelrod and President Obama and the entire campaign went after Ohio so early on. They had great vision. Brilliant.
mshasta
(2,108 posts)I DON'T TRUST YOUR INTENTIONS HERE AT DU....
whats with 269 scenario for rmoney?....is that what they tell you to start spreading your 269 bullshit here at DU why??? and who are you?
what's in it for you?...
reflection
(6,286 posts)that you don't trust his intentions at DU and asking what his ulterior motive is? I guess that's your right.
jmowreader
(50,546 posts)Obama will take 300-325 votes. The GOP's worry now is keeping the House.
There is a Queen song that goes "I want it all and I want it now." The tea party sang it in this Congress, and it hurt the R's because most Americans, unlike the baggers, believe there's a role for government.
Thanks to the tea party, I see a distinct chance of retaking the House.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I think Iowa stays blue.
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)They are just out of options and have to focus on what they think they can still win. They are toast.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Give me a break.
This election is making everyone nuts.