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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:50 PM

Today's Navy can kick the 1917 Navy's ass even if it has twice as many 1917 era ships

Why can't Romney figure that out?

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Reply Today's Navy can kick the 1917 Navy's ass even if it has twice as many 1917 era ships (Original post)
MrScorpio Oct 2012 OP
justiceischeap Oct 2012 #1
Permanut Oct 2012 #2
Kaleva Oct 2012 #3
Angleae Oct 2012 #6
A HERETIC I AM Oct 2012 #4
Fumesucker Oct 2012 #18
Downwinder Oct 2012 #5
JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2012 #7
MrScorpio Oct 2012 #9
Kaleva Oct 2012 #11
JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2012 #17
Octafish Oct 2012 #8
slampoet Oct 2012 #10
rppper Oct 2012 #12
WhaTHellsgoingonhere Oct 2012 #13
Dash87 Oct 2012 #14
kentauros Oct 2012 #16
kentauros Oct 2012 #15

Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:52 PM

1. Conservatives seem to be missing the nuance gene

they also seem to be missing a gene that let's them recognize things change, technology makes advances that means we need less to do the same or more. They seem to get that in business but when it comes to the military they don't seem to get the message.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:52 PM

2. That was true even in 1967 when I was in the Navy..

so here we are 45 years later and EtchaSketch still can't figure it out.

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Response to Permanut (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:27 PM

3. Today's Navy can destroy the combined fleets of WWII

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 05:06 AM

6. Today's navy can destroy the combined fleets of today.

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US vs everyone else

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:04 PM

4. Someone said in the last day or so.....

and I wish I could remember who or source the quote (maybe someone else will) ....


basically "Give me a single Trident Sub and a time machine, send me back to 1917 and I'll be Emperor of the world by lunchtime."

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 06:31 AM

18. Not so fast

A Trident sub requires a great deal of support, none of which exists in 1917.

Just convincing the people in charge at the time of your capabilities would be a job requiring consummate political skill and no small degree of luck.

These kind of ideas get kicked around quite often, if there can be said to be a consensus opinion of people who like to discuss this sort of scenario it's something like this: the world is a big place and people in the past were no more stupid or inept than humans today.


http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/digital/fact-vs-fiction/rome-sweet-rome-could-a-single-marine-unit-destroy-the-roman-empire

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nantucket_series

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:39 PM

5. Because he was never in the Navy.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 05:40 AM

7. Years ago, Kirk Douglas hosted Saturday Night Live ...

and played in a skit called "What if Spartacus had a Piper Cub?" A (not-so-great) study of technological culture clash.

Or, there was a movie "The Final Countdown" about a modern aircraft carrier (circa 1980) going back in time to 1945, just before the attack on Pearl Harbor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Final_Countdown_(film)

Always an entertaining premise.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 10:06 AM

9. Kirk Douglas starred in "The Final Countdown" too

Obviously, Mitt should have paid more attention to Kirk Douglas.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 08:52 PM

11. It would have been late for Pearl Harbor had it gone back to 1945

It could have sailed into Tokyo Bay in 1945 and taken part in the Japanese surrender ceremonies but that wouldn't have been much of a movie.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #11)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 05:35 AM

17. Doh! I'll blame it on a "Senior Moment"

Of course I know that Al Qaeda bombed Pearl Harbor in 1941!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 09:09 AM

8. Mitt never heard of 'The Final Countdown'



USS Nimitz goes through a time warp and stands ready to sink the Japanese Imperial fleet.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 10:11 AM

10. Heck i bet just two nuke subs could sink the whole 1917 navy.

Remember that 1917 didn't even have sonar.

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Response to slampoet (Reply #10)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 09:24 PM

12. Normally, the weapons load out on a...

.....Los Angeles attack sub is 24-25 weapons internally (tube launched) and 12 tomahawks in the vertical launch tubes....but each of these weapons, be it a mk48 torpedo, or a tomahawk or harpoon cruise missile, could sink any dreadnought of that period alone....there would be an accuracy rate of nearly 100%....they have no weapons to counter the subs weapons, not even speed.....the sonar of the period would only give away the WWI era ships exact position....even Vietnam era weapons...hell, I'll go as far as gulf war technology, is no match for today's....

When I got out of the navy in '97, I was abord the newest submarine commissioned, the USS Tucson....state of the art, but the new Virginia class now make the 688I class look almost obsolete. I'm the orange guy far right!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 09:34 PM

13. Would you rally around an outsider who calls you ill-prepared and in a sorry state...

...when, in fact, you, insiders, and the ROW know that you are leaps and bounds above all others?

I just never understood how Republicans win the military's votes despite treating them with contempt election after election.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 09:40 PM

14. The GOP's theories on Military Science makes no sense

Basically, according to them, more money spent = a better military. More ships, even if they have no modern usage, = a better military. More men = a better military.

If we can be more powerful with less money, wouldn't that make more sense? Why does Romney want us to keep ships and military assets that have no practical use anymore and are being phased out?

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Response to Dash87 (Reply #14)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 09:46 PM

16. I think it's less about what they say publicly

and more about what they do behind closed doors. That is, keeping the MIC flush with funding, and by proxy, their own pockets and rich friends.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 09:43 PM

15. Hell, today's Navy

could even beat the Flu Pandemic!

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