Please stop with the anti-fat/anti-trans attacks on Republican morons

Not that it will change how a lot of folks post.

Agreed!

Coulter is anorexic and Christy is morbidly obese. When they combine such self-inflicted torture with their extreme vitriol toward others, it stands to reason that people might want to point it out.

I do agree with your comment about Coulter and mannishness. She represents every negative masculine trait and none of the men in my life are anything like Ann Coulter. Most trans people do not act like her at all.

you are while attending church or going grocery shopping minding your own business then maybe you can see why people feel the way they feel. I had surgery to lose the weight. I can't tell you how many diets I have been on to lose weight. Hell I'd be a millionaire the weight I lost. I just look at food and the weight hugs me. I tried everything. Finally I learn to say "fuck it" you don't like it then don't look. It took me years of a wonderful husband who is thin to tell me to stop beating myself because he loved me for me. It took me a long time til it clicked. Am still heavy but I stopped beating myself about my weight. The thing I noticed that now am still fat but I stay maybe 5 to 10 pounds within my weight I am now. People who are morbidly obese know they are and surely don't need to be reminded all the time. What bothers me is people who don't have a weight problem think we love being fat and we are lazy. That is a lie. All people should do is respect a person. Now I do dislike Coulter and Christy. I am just as guilty calling them names. The poster is right. I am going to try not to do it any longer.

I understand that it is very difficult because our body both requires food for survival and the ability to lose weight requires something that goes against one's body's basic need. I am not saying that all people who are obese or anorexic are hateful, but those who are hateful and have body issues are really really really pathetic.

I agree that Christy is hateful SOB.

What demographics are left for us to be prejudiced aginast?

I wonder if they got their own lobby?

I could not have said it better.

I take multiple medications that prevent weight loss, he's just a slob. He runs a state, he should have go on the Biggest Loser, but that's too obvious.


Christie is disgusting because he is a pig, fat is secondary.


Worry about getting Obama elected, stop being our nanny.

I already fucking voted and have been helping out in the OFA office every day.

And something you find often on right-wing shitholes like freeperville. No need to emulate the Neanderthals.

Crispy the donut king is a pig, don't come here thinking you can lecture our asses about what YOU find offensive.

My post got a lot of likes

Control your anger, buddy. Control it.

Long ater you're gone I'll still be here,

Cya wise guy.

It's not good for your health.

should learn to control your own behavior dickwad.

Plenty of fine people are overweight. What is repulsive about him is how he chooses to act and talk, not about something over which he has little control.

It's not just offensive, it's insulting to many of us, and it's childish.

a spade is a spade and a pig is a pig. Sometimes it just feels amazingly good to vent and not have to be politically correct, especially among kindred spirits on DU.

Why don't you logically but out because I wasn't even talking to you and your comment makes you sound like an obnoxious, judgmental repuke

I prefer the phrase "call a spade a bloody shovel." It is a British usage of the phrase that you used that some find extremely offensive, and it means to be "extremely blunt".

The English language has many ways to express an opinion, and has the potential to be extremely colorful in a good way -- colloquialisms have their place. But if you'd said what you said back during the 2008 Primary season, you would have had a lot more than just that small amount of snark. Given that you are a long-term DUer, I'm sure you remember this.

And I wonder why the targets are two Republicans that are being 'defended' here.


Makes one wonder why certain key words are being used. And makes me wonder why it seems some folks have been here before, it's the way words are used......telling us not to get angry or we'll be sorry......


(sigh) Like I said, long after I'm gone I'll be laughing my ass off at the nanny squad who will be discovered as not from this side of the political spectrum. But they won't have learned of the big red X that makes their rants invisible until that day comes wen they are irrelevant.

You can wonder all day long, because wondering is free. FYI, I've been here for five weeks, and didn't bring it up until day. It reflects poorly on the website.

But please wonder some more.

love the phrase: Nanny Squad!

Some posters are super sensitive and take umbrage way too easily. Can't tell you how many times I have served as a DU juror because someone has taken offense and alerted on posts or phrases within posts that really don't warrant such action. Then there are the snarky responses that are veiled forms of insult and ugliness, as you'll note in a poster's reply to my first reply to you. Talk about a class act... Gee whiz

Anyway, I've got your back

and like leaves in October, are quickly disposed of.

Yup

Someone just get a theater somewhere and have about 10 people re-enact it.

I can't wait until he is finally gone from this state!

Their structure has nothing to do with it. Why do people get a kick out of using bodily structure as a tool? Maybe one's own inadequacy of some kind? It's one's perspective that counts. The rest is childishness.

just put up with adolescent behavior. Maybe the fat bashers should write on their bedroom walls with their own shit. That's about the same level of fun.

Couldn't agree more. Great post.

Don't expect things to change.

Personally, I find donuts disgusting. Vanilla candles too. Welcome to DU.

yes INDEED

isn't calling someone an asshole worse than calling them a man?

COME AT ME. Walker and all.

I was JUST going to K & R and I read this. So, let me get this right, it is not OK to deride someone who is overweight or transgendered but it IS OK to deride someone because of their age? "Walker and all?"

You lost me there, kid.

It was targeted directly at the poster, and considering that most of the damage in this country has been done by the over 65 set, I refuse. If Rmoney pulls out a win, it will be due to seniors.

this joker has just set the record for being ignored by the most members on DU ever. And now, I'm adding one more ignore to his attempt to join the asshole hall of fame.

Ta...

Great observation OldDem...

If even one person listens, and considers what you have written before they post, you will have made a positive change

She will always be A. Vulture to me

Would you like to be concerned more?

You said you were rotund yourself, so what is the big deal about protecting rotund people from baseless insults?

There are plenty of names to call them without resorting to offensive attacks that include many progressive and liberals.

Please try to control your anger, I don't want it to boil over. That would be unfortunate.

that we can't extend this to Mormons, some of whom support Obama.

http://mormonsforobama.org/

Republicans tend to be more dense, so they resort to petty attacks. We should be above that.

Here's to you for bucking the majority. Really!

But if I call out your religious views, it is because I do not trust that "thinking" in the White House. I have no more respect for most other religions in that I am a non theist. I would not be so crass, or I hope not, toward you as a person and your right to believe as you will. I have a great disdain for church and state coming any closer together than the distance from here to Mars. This is where my callous comments come in. And where my interpretation of the constitution is concerned, there are no holds barred. (Except body structure comments )

If his beliefs included the promotion of a theocracy.

But the catcher for me is, we don't know what his religious bent is... necessarily. That is good. It's vague to me the average American... that's the way I want it. There have been a lot of rumors about his religious leaning and he has referred to himself as being a Christian on occasion, but I don't really know and I haven't seen him practice it in public outside of the ceremonial processes of the President. I also don't want to know what he thinks about religion because it isn't an issue.

Another example, I have met John Huntsman and his wife. He comes from a Mormon background, she is Catholic. But I would have never known that fact if someone hadn't told me. He specifically refuses to confuse his beliefs with his politics and has said so. I can respect that. I wouldn't vote for him but that is not the point.

Mitt Romney is Mormon. He supports it and has not proved to me he does not mix his Mormonism with politics. Quite the contrary. Even though the Mormon church has recently distanced themselves from Mr. Romney, Mr. Romney hasn't distanced himself from the Mormon church.

Personally, I think the Mormon church is more dangerous than some other Christian sects because of it's secrecy and it's history. I won't go any further than that on this point; it's been said to exhaustion on this site and it's not the subject of our conversation. It's my personal experience.

I'm sure that my being an atheist would be a problem for some too, but then I'm not running for president.

I haven't seen evidence of Romney pushing Mormonism upon society. It's bad enough that he wants to hit America with the religious cult of Laissez-Faire Capitalism.

NT

Anti fat = bad

Transphobic = bad

Misogynist = no problem


Interesting.

I was pretty sure I had put a sarc tag in there. I don't even like using the word "bitch" to refer to women, let alone cunt. That's my bad. It is absolutely not acceptable!

I actually agree with your OP in general, but you're not doing too well defending it.

My opinion...

I was pretty sure I had put a sarc tag in there. I don't even like using the word "bitch" to refer to women, let alone cunt. That's my bad. It is absolutely not acceptable!

I was pretty sure I had put a sarc tag in there. I don't even like using the word "bitch" to refer to women, let alone cunt. That's my bad. It is absolutely not acceptable!

a hypocrite, actually. i just didnt say all of it.

appreciate.

you can edit and add the sarcasm, so others dont get confused.

she also spews shit every time she opens her mouth. Plus, she's an equal opportunity hater so maybe we should amend misogynist to misanthrope

or talking to YOU!

to me specifically or not. it is called a message board. and when someone continually puts out they want trash on a site, it says a lot about them.

impressive.....not.


Your post is every bit as repulsive as was her tweet and her previous ugly comments.

In fact, those words are to misogyny as fucking idiot is to personal insult.

Not only that, it totally gives away a person's limited vocabulary.

Why do you ask?

The word cunt has no place here, imo

1. We are not all in agreement as to what constitutes vulgarity or what is offensive. We aren't even in agreement over what words are misogynist.

2. Because of this, unless you would like to start a rumble, it is not a good idea to post a thread chastising others for doing something you personally find offensive unless DU rules have been broken. You don't control others, you control you. You also control which posts and posters here you can ignore entirely. This feature will save you a lot of stress if you use it.

come one, lets see you throw out a homophobic slur. and watch your ass kicked off the sight. you go after the group you KNOW has no protection. bullies, creeps. lets hear a racial slur from you and watch you ejected from du, fast.

women? whatever the fuck....

Words like bitch and cunt are just as offensive as words like faggot, spic, nigger, etc. These words have no place on a supposedly progressive website (except to explain why they should not be used) because they are slurs that are used to suggest that subsets of people are something less than human. It disgusts me and people that use any of the words above are scum IMO.

Talking to oneself really doesn't work if one is trying to convince others of one's perspective, on the other hand, it is a creative way to "start a rumble" I suppose.

"Response to porphyrian (Reply #39)Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:14 PM
porphyrian (18,500 posts)
74. This post was to make two points."

...thereby kicking the entire thread six or seven times. I'm sorry for the confusion; I didn't think to explain that.

I'm speaking from experience and I think it was an effective demonstration. The rumble on this thread was in progress when I got here and will probably continue long after I've ignored it.

I, too, am speaking from experience and your 'demonstration' was nothing of the sort. It was a post made to be deliberately offensive in order to create the "rumble" you now decry.

The hypocrisy of your claim of a "demonstration" is clear from this comment:

"You also control which posts and posters here you can ignore entirely. This feature will save you a lot of stress if you use it."

The last thing you wanted, imo, was your post to be ignored.

I don't need you to agree with me, nor do I need to hear from you again.

I don't intend to ignore yours if they are representative of the despicable post that is under discussion.

Make sure that you put sunscreen on before you go outside.

99% white, very homogenous in general. Some countenance Nader saying things like Obama is an Uncle Tom or Obama is talking white. Not surprising that many find this to be acceptable.

is.

for being the most ignored poster on DU. I wonder where they got that information.

Some of these folks need to realize that white men are not the base of the Republican Party. The base is white women, Jews, blacks, GLBT and Latinos. Time for their blatantly bigoted garbage to stop. While this juvenile crap may appeal to the right-wing male crowd, they're never voting for Obama anyway.

i doubt very strongly that you have more ignores than i. and i know i do not have the highest count.

not an issue.

like the middle class white man will vote for repug for masculinity identification, against his interest, the progressive male will continue the misogyny for masculinity identification also.

it is when the man buys into the commercialized conditioning of masculinity that they no longer have ownership with their authentic self... masculinity. it hurts them individually more than a group as a whole. they do nto get it. they think there is a reward, but that reward does not win over the repercussions. i have seen it repeatedly in the personal stories told on du.

You might have been taken seriously if you had omitted the word, cunt. So meh on reading further.

Shit-gargling is a good one though.

There's no such thing as justified misogyny. Even the most hate-filled deserve to be treated based on the content of their character rather than the inherent qualities (in this case sex or gender) that make them up.

We all need our assholes. Take that back, you, you, disgusting fellow.

As for Christy, I bet his asshole is not that large either, and while he might be smarmy and pathetic, his asshole is surely a champion athlete in the world of assholes in general, as his bulk can attest. Although his policies and actions may be disgusting, I can assure you that everything he ate was delicious and exquisitely gastronomic, the polar opposite of the "disgusting" label which you paint onto this truly exceptional asshole. Merely shifting the "ugly' from his fat to his asshole is not commendable, IMHO, ergo I propose we denigrate his brain such as to lay the blame at least closer to the ground zero of stupid.

The two republican brainiacs in question clearly have ugly, disgusting BRAINS.

"I'm Cronus Protagonist's asshole and I approved this message."

Really simple. There are beautiful people that are disgusting on the inside too. I am of the opinion that Michele Bachmann is actually attractive. But on the inside...ew.
Then there are beautiful people like Scarlett Johansson and Eva Longoria that are completely awesome and supportive of President Obama.

How you look has little to do with your political beliefs, in other words.

You are exactly right! Well said! Thank you!

Anti trans fats?

That was clever.

Thread winner, my friend. Thread winner.

Christie is also a fathead, so some confusion is possibly unavoidable.

How about a parched cadaver?


A withered mannequin?


A garrulous ragdoll?


Come on, I have to call her something!

Just one of the stronger, more offensive examples of that kind of thought.

don't call Mitt a fucking lair, call him seriously misinformed.

I don't like this PC shit anyway. I call liars and crooks like I see them, Christy is a fat fucking douche and Coulter does look like a man, fucking bitch.

Now, I have no problem with overweight people or women that look like men, but when they start to denigrate other people, like Coulter using the word "retard" and saying about widows of 9/11 victims "I've never seen people enjoying their husbands' deaths so much.", or when Christie told a veteran "Your rear end is going to be thrown in jail, idiot", or the press "Are you stupid...I'm sorry for the idiot over there." Then they asked for it and opened themselves up for ridicule about their appearance.

All's fair in love and war.

I'm not going to sit around and say,"Oh goodness, those people are mean but I'm going to play nice." Bullshit!

I've tried and tried to reason with repukes but all they seem to know is denigrate and personally attack with lies, damn if going to sit still and let them run over me. Enough is enough!

Calling Romney a liar (which he is) is not the same as making fun of Coulter for supposedly being trans. I think you know that.

I think Coulter was offensive as hell when she referred to the President as a retard. No need to offend the special-needs community.

This isn't about PC. This is about basic human decency.

The point is that the problem with Coulter is the crap and hatred she spews. So target that, or use insults that apply universally, and which don't single out one community as having something that is 'wrong'. So call her an asshole, shithead or whatever. Don't call her a 'bitch' (an insult reserved for women, which implies there's something wrong with being a loud woman), don't say she looks like a man, which is irrelevant to anything wrong with her, and which implies there is something wrong in a woman looking like a man (and don't say that she is a transexual, which implies there's something wrong with that).

See?

I think that part of my personal responsibility as a liberal is to model the values our Party possesses -- one of which is that we stand against bigotry in all forms.

So I cannot make myself get down to their level. It is below me, and below our Party.

Just my opinion, though.

Gee, we could be doing something constructive and instead we're hip-deep in a snarkfest without rw trolls!

There are liberals who have the same type of looks - it's not that, it's their inner ugliness.

My favorite author, Jane Austen, had characters who said "there is no personal defect which an agreeable manner will not reconcile one too"

In other words, beautiful on the outside people who are ugly on the inside will show up ugly in the long run, and vice versa.

Not even Jabba the Hutt?

Pity...

When I was in junior high and early high school, I was in the overweight category for my height (but not obese), and was dating a gentleman who went to a different school. One of his friends teased him about dating me, referring to me as a "beached whale". Apparently the guy I was dating went not-so-gentlemanly and hit his "friend" for it. Hearing him tell me this made me feel not only bad about myself, but for him for getting slack about dating a fat chick.

One of the first ways that the human mind embraces bigotry is to attempt to make the person or group they are bigoted against less than human.

And their hateful attitudes only accentuate their physical ugliness.

Anne Coulter is an asshole, plain & simple. A stupid gaping asshole. She manages to be an asshole in her OWN right, and her looks, mannerisms & the way she dresses are of no concern or importance.

Likewise, Christy is an MF, period. He just happens to be overweight, but he manages to be disgusting all on his own, completely divorced from anything to do with his weight or appearance.

can't understand normal thinking.

this thread that choose to use the same misogynist language in order to insult her.

what is the difference calling out her disgusting language to people in the form of using disgusting language toward her.

I just cannot at all understand why people who call themselves progressives, or, for that matte who simply call themselves Democrats, insist on the usage of this type of denigrating language. I expect it from the other side.....not from DUers....

same thing, it is not wrong.

my brain can not wrap around that.

as far as progressives using misogynist language? i have always said it is not a party issue, it is a male issue, party excluded.

Ann Coulter

it is not about coulter.

I can't believe YOU don't get it. She is the one of the most despicable human beings alive today. There is NO defense of that woman. None. Especially on DU. DU ain't what it used to be.

Second, Here you have this woman who did go to some fancy college who KNOWS that Obama graduated Suma Cum Laude calling him a ret**d and she's getting told off for it left and right and down the middle. Does she care? NO. All the attention makes her more money and THAT is what she cares about.

The kid from the Special Olympics tells her he doesn't understand how she means what she said and I support him in his efforts, but he'll never reach her. SHE chooses to be the way she is because this stupid little harpy game is all she's got. She COULD use her brain and come up with something but she just "bitches" about what other people do who are trying to make the world a better place.

When Barbara Streisand stood up in Hollywood and demanded to be treated with respect for her talents, she was called a B****. THAT was misogyny.

When Michelle Obama goes out and does good things and all anyone can talk about is her dress, that is borderline misogyny.

But if you got a pig out in the mud rolling around and you call it a "dirty swine," you are simply telling the truth.

Coulter is a BITCH. It's how she makes her living. Snarling and snapping and tearing up other people whenever she can. She does it intentionally. She's selling herself short. I didn't tell her to live that way, but I see the truth of it and I call it as I see it.

not because it is not a sexist slur. but because you do not like the woman you throw it at.

coulter using a slur against mentally slow was being a bigot.

using a sexist slur against coulter is being a sexist.

whether she deserves it or not.

it really isnt rocket science. and as i say, i have a tough time in my mind how people can separate using a sexist slur against one person and another, and be comfortable with the contradiction and hypocrisy.

She is a woman who has earned that title because of her egregious behavior. Is Obama in ANY way intellectually challenged? NO. She is calling him an offensive word that in no way describes him and insults an entire group of people.

SHE behaves in the manner that the word was coined to define. I call her "bitch" to cull her from our ranks and to denounce her right to being defended against sexist terms because HER behavior is more offensive than a sexist term that is descriptive of her actions.

She is an educated women who KNOWS the facts, but lies to everyone. Traitor is probably the more descriptive word, but she dishonors women everywhere and that is why so many of us reject her completely.

I believe that people can learn from their mistakes, but show me a career criminal or a psychopath and I tell you that person needs to be locked up and denied their freedom to protect the community. Without an actual law broken, we can't do this to Ann Coulter, but she is just as dangerous to our freedom and our community. So we marginalize her to diminish her sway on the public. Sorry if it's also a tactic used by sexist groups against women who are doing good in the community because it steps on male power.

I'm a 98% peaceful person, but there are times when peace is not possible and fighting for your right to survive is the only choice. So call me a Liberal Hawk because I don't lay down and take any and all abuse with a passive Christian heart. But do not call me a War Monger and disregard that 98% of my entire life and values.

It isn't as much a "contradiction or hypocrisy" as it is a drawing of a line putting her outside the circle of protection. Women who want to be protected by the "sisterhood" don't lie on behalf of and promote those into power who would take our rights away.

OK, I work in a more white collar job, but I grew up working for a living at any rate.

Someone like Ann Coulter who says the most hateful things about any DEM is just a snarling, snapping, attack bitch. Sorry. She is acting like a dog whose only desire is to maul and maim. A mal-adjusted beast who is a danger to those around her.

You can dress her up in pretty words all you want, but she'll still bite you like a viper would.

Think of it this way. Words are our weapons of choice. We are PISSED because we've been dealing with this Reich Wing Queen for years and she has no soul and she's heartless too. We aren't out shooting up innocent people at a movie theater.

AND I don't CALL myself a DEMocrat. I AM A DEM. You don't like my language, move along you're not being asked to pass judgement on me and DU has been BLUE language wise for a long time.

Thin people, old people and bald people have feelings too you know.

In fact, stop all attacks on nasty Republicans.

Thanks.

It differentiates between those who have true intellectual disabilities and those who have a brain but just don't care to use it. My little brother and sister are intellectually disabled. They use the word "retard" sometimes, not referring to themselves or to people with actual intellectual disabilities, but to people who are acting below their actual capacity. I think that's a great context for the word "moran" when I use it.

In general everyday speech, the term does not roll off the tongue, as it's an internet meme. But online, if someone is acting like a moran, that's the way I'll say it.

You did it in a more short-and-sweet version.

Us embracing those types of attacks against our opposition does nothing but promote bigotry and discrimination, something our party SHOULD be standing against, no matter how we might feel about the particular individuals you named. I ended up with someone putting me on ignore because I believe all bigotry comes from the same place in the human mind/heart, and therefore it doesn't matter which group we are bigoted against -- the Oppression Olympics got won back in the '40s I believe, so let's not try to compare other people's struggles except to say they all come from the same evil seed -- if we are demonstrating bigotry, we are embracing the roots of oppression.

I'll call myself a bitch, but I generally don't call other women that, even ones I disagree with as strongly as I do Ann. And calling her "mAnn", as I've seen here many times, is an insult to the trans community, as you said. I am a woman and I stand with my trans allies, but I admit that my own struggles with bigotry and discrimination, with teasing and bullying, were from my previous obesity. I currently have less than a 20 BMI, but I used to be morbidly obese. And it is amazing the difference in how people treat me. I am happy to have been female-spirited and born female-bodied, so I will never see the difference between the way a woman is treated versus a man... nor do I have the struggle the trans community is continually enduring. I lost weight for my health, not because of people's opinions about me. But having been fat all my life, the difference in how I am treated highlights the bigotry we have against the overweight in this country.

Ann and Chris are disgusting because of their personalities, not their outward appearance. To judge someone on their outward appearance rather than the content of their character, or to assume that the content of their character is correlated to their outward appearance, is the definition of bigotry (and I've seen people's opinions change in a heartbeat when a person could "pass" -- be it for straight, white, skinny, genetically male, genetically female, whatever -- and they learned a person's true identity, so I stand by that definition as part of the extreme change common among all the bigots I've seen do this is to suddenly "see" outward reflections they didn't notice before, and see them more prominently because they were so upset they didn't "catch" it).

All bigotry is wrong. All oppression is wrong. We cannot compare the struggles of ourselves and others except to recognize that the struggles exist and to attempt to fight against bigotry whenever we have the opportunity.

Thank YOU for taking that opportunity.

Someone just get a theater somewhere and have about 10 people re-enact it.

Our own little "Wars of the Roses". although some were tragically deleted.

enough to make any kind of proper observation about it all. transexuals are treated very poorly, even by feminists.

But all in good time, I suppose.

People who abuse the power they have will ALWAYS get it from every end and quarter. And that's hardly even 1% of the world. Humor is the only power some will ever have against them.

Speaking as one fat fuck who is dragging around 40 extra pounds, i found "The King of Donuts" to be very funny indeed for Christie.

If it's funny to me, I'll laugh. If someone thinks I'm a piece of shit for it, so be it. Go write letters to every other episode of the Simpsons. And ten thousand other things in the culture.

Holy fuck, i'm so happy that I can laugh at all anymore, it is just an absolutely fucking thrilling thing to me.

I'll take looking juvenile over a crank any day...and now I'm looking like BOTH...GOD DAMMIT! Swell.

the reason they are wrong, intellectually or morally.

Coulter threads that emphasize the fact that she's a hateful little fiend who opposes women's suffrage and openly advocates for genocide? Go for it. The ones where her name's mentioned somewhere in the OP and most of the responses are the "Mann Coulter" bullshit? I'm better than those, and I'd like to see the site as a whole be as well more often.

There is plenty to criticize without stooping to childish attacks based on physical qualiies.

We are truly in a battle for the Presidency. And sometimes we forget that we sometimes use language that is borderline or may be hurtful. Most of it comes with frustration. But as reasonable people when you offend someone you should look at the merits of their point and have compassion in thought and response. I must say I am guilty of strong rhetoric at times. But it does not mean that I am so bogged down in my position where i cannot say I apologize when I offend or hurt someones feelings. And If I feel I am right I will not apologize. But will be silent.