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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:27 PM

I just read this and want you all to read it too: "What 'Health of the Mother' Means"

Back when Ryan first babbled about ultrasounds in the VP debate, I was moved to compose a screed about what an ultrasound does and doesn't mean and how that should affect the way we understand reproductive rights. I was surprised, and very humbled, by the stories that appeared in the comments from people who had lost pregnancies, who had broken their hearts making the decision to terminate a pregnancy after discovering that the fetus would not survive birth, people who understood in a much more visceral and tragic way than I did why conception does not guarantee birth.

Here is a piece by a woman who contracted ovarian cancer during her pregnancy about some of the heartbreaking decisions she had to make:

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/24/what_health_of_the_mother_means/

Be warned that it will gut you. But here is the most direct and powerful statement I have yet found anywhere of why it is crucial to preserve choice for women in this situation:

"Although I do not know whether it was right to forgo the biopsy or what I would have done if I’d learned of my cancer earlier, I do know that both decisions were mine to make. I came to the present tormented and joyful moment in my life with informed consent about the risks I was taking. The full knowledge that both of our lives were in my hands, and that we might not both get out alive, made that consent meaningful. To disregard the impact of my possible sickness and death on my family was, to me, just as problematic as terminating my pregnancy. Had I been a single mother or had my job been a financial necessity for my family, I might well have weighed my choices differently. I might not have been able to take the chances that came along with skipping the biopsy. It is painful to imagine how I would feel, now, if the choice had been out of my hands—or if it had been so sharply circumscribed that it was clear that it was mine only in form, not substance."

I would like to round up every uterus-free jerk who has ever pontificated about how this "health of the mother" exception is bullshit and force them to talk to this woman for ten minutes. But that would put a lot of stress on her, and probably have no effect on them.

The Plaid Adder

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Response to Plaid Adder (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:32 PM

1. Can you imagine that conversation between doctor and patient?

"We could do a biopsy but since that would cause risk to fetus, we'll just have to see what happens."

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Response to Iris (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 04:17 PM

4. I know. I can't imagine any doctor who would be happy with that situation. n/t

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Response to Plaid Adder (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:34 PM

2. Some Quotes from religious figures re: women

The Republican Party is intertwined with the religious extremists of this country, people who would find very little wrong with the essence of the quotes below, in that light I am never shocked at their denial of women's rights in any form, even if that denial of rights leads to death, they simply do not care.


St. Augustine of Hippo: What difference is it in a wife or mother? It is still Eve the temptress that we must beware of in any woman, I fail to see what use a woman can be to a man if one excludes the function of bearing children.

Martin Luther: If they (women) become tired or even die, that does not matter. Let them die in childbirth. That is what they are there for.

St. Tertullian: Do you not know that you are each an Eve? The sentence of god on this sex of your lives in this age, the guilt must of necessity live too. You are the devil's gateway. You are the unsealer of the forbidden tree: You are the first desserter of the divine law. You are she who persueded him whom the devil was not valiant to attack. You destroyed so easily god's image, man. On account of your desert even the son of man had to die.


Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/religion-spirituality/717600-outrageous-quotes-christians-about-women-grace.html#ixzz2AFLtCwQY


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Response to get the red out (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 04:23 PM

5. and it seems that many on the right continue

to believe these things. I used to think that we as a culture were sophisticated and civilized, but now it seems we only have the thinnest veneer of civilization and are ready to revert to superstition and fear at the slightest provocation.

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Response to get the red out (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 04:40 PM

6. Thank you for these quotes; they are truly eye-opening. And appalling.

How dare these men burden us with the myth of Eve?

Eve the temptress?

We hold up half the sky. We bear the children (if and when we choose). We do the world's work as well as bring up its children, usually without complaint.

Anyone who would deny us our rights in all things is horrifyingly wrong-headed about us.



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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:36 PM

11. Oh, Peggy, "We hold up half the sky", sigh

The way you expressed our undeniable value and strength is beautiful and profound, thank you.

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Response to siligut (Reply #11)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:52 PM

12. Thank YOU, my dear siligut...

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Response to get the red out (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 04:49 PM

7. Re the 3rd one, seems we killed son of man AND gave men the freedom to sin with impunity

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Response to get the red out (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:10 PM

8. Well, for one thing, the woman I moved to KCMO for, after retiring, is

 

my best friend. And she is childless by choice. Best friend is a very good choice in a woman, for a man. The opposite can be true too.

I fail to see what use a woman can be to a man if one excludes the function of bearing children.


Religion is so interwoven into our society, our very cultures, we can't even see the damage it has done and is doing. It has effected our very evolution as human beings.

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Response to RC (Reply #8)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:22 PM

10. What you say about religion is true. What is so appalling is the way people try to act like it

somehow involves love. Nothing any of those men said indicates that these religions started out as proponents of love at all.

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Response to Plaid Adder (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:36 PM

3. So profound.

Many powerful layers. Sharing. Thank you. You've been missed.

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Response to Plaid Adder (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:12 PM

9. I like how the assholes who went on about "death panels" seem to have no problem with the idea

Of making a woman stand in front of tables full of strangers trying to "justify" why she should be "allowed" to end her pregnancy.

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Response to Plaid Adder (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:27 PM

13. Thank you for posting this

The salon article was very emotional to read for me. I'm 63, I feel fortunate that I never have had to face that decision myself, but one of my daughters has.

I also have a workmate whose brother's family is in a similar situation to hers: http://hellojomo.com/uncategorized/438/ In her case it was her delivery experience and the necessary C-Section that exposed her cancer. She's been writing a blog ever since about her journey with this and it is really inspiring to read. She's doing good, we hope she will be able to see her daughter grow up.

Why is abortion always an issue in elections? Seriously, it's mostly men, it's mostly batshit crazy religious whackos and it's every 4 fucking years. I am so tired of women being used this way.

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