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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:29 PM

"But the idea that Obama is a Muslim is factual".- Politifact

Intended typo?

Hank Williams Jr. says Barack Obama is a Muslim


Country singer Hank Williams Jr., who prides himself on being politically incorrect, took a moment during a Sept. 2, 2012, concert in Fort Worth to hammer misgivings about President Barack Obama.

As reported by critic Thor Christensen, who reviewed Williamsí performance at the Stockyards Music Festival for the Dallas Morning News, Williams said to a less-than-unanimous cheer: "Weíve got a Muslim for a president who hates cowboys, hates cowgirls, hates fishing, hates farming, loves gays, and we hate him!"

Most everything in the singerís statement shakes out as matters of opinion, which canít be fact-checked. PolitiFact also did not wade in after Williams compared Obama golfing with House Speaker John Boehner to Adolf Hitler playing with Benjamin Netanyahu, Israelís prime minister. (After Williams made that October 2011 analogy, he no longer sang the theme song for ESPNís "Monday Night Football.")

But the idea that Obama is a Muslim is factual.

Such claims also have been gauged before -- and found lacking in evidence.

As PolitiFact noted in an Aug. 26, 2010, story, the presidentís memoirs and independent biographies indicate that Obama was not raised in a particular faith, but he became a Christian when he was in his 20s while working as a community organizer in Chicago.

Still, Obama had a Muslim grandfather, Hussein Onyango of Kenya, and his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetero, was Muslim, as biographer Davis Maraniss has written. Also, as a boy Obama was instructed in Islam at a school in Jakarta. Later, Maraniss writes, many of Obamaís college friends were Muslim.

In a July 27, 2012, opinion article in The Washington Post, Maraniss said: "None of this adds up to Obama being Muslim, except in the minds of conspiratorialists."
http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2012/sep/04/hank-williams-jr/hank-williams-jr-says-barack-obama-muslim/

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Reply "But the idea that Obama is a Muslim is factual".- Politifact (Original post)
ErikJ Oct 2012 OP
BainsBane Oct 2012 #1
ErikJ Oct 2012 #2
LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #8
ErikJ Oct 2012 #13
TeamPooka Oct 2012 #15
yellowcanine Oct 2012 #3
Light63 Oct 2012 #4
madmom Oct 2012 #6
cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #5
HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #7
cali Oct 2012 #10
cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #17
frazzled Oct 2012 #11
ErikJ Oct 2012 #12
cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #18
Aristus Oct 2012 #9
Initech Oct 2012 #14
closeupready Oct 2012 #16
TeamPooka Oct 2012 #19
ErikJ Oct 2012 #20
MatthewStLouis Oct 2012 #21

Response to ErikJ (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:30 PM

1. write and let them know of the error

It is not deliberate.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:32 PM

2. I tried to but their contact link doesnt work -for me anyway.

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:46 PM

8. It worked for me and I emailed them for you n/t

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Response to LadyHawkAZ (Reply #8)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:14 PM

13. Thanks-MISLEADING statement.

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Response to LadyHawkAZ (Reply #8)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:28 PM

15. I did too.

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Response to ErikJ (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:32 PM

3. "Country singer Hank Williams Jr"

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Response to ErikJ (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:35 PM

4. Monday Night Football!

I used to watch Monday Night Football and always looking forward to see Hank Williams Jr. perform before the game, but after knowing that he is such a racist, I completely stopped watching MNF. It's so sad to know that there still are so many racists in our country, even when we are in the 21st century!

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Response to Light63 (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:40 PM

6. He lost that gig, so you can safely watch again.

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Response to ErikJ (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:37 PM

5. That is correct, but clumsy (Factual does not mean true)

The word factual does not mean true, it means pertaining to facts.

"Obama is a Muslim" is a factual claim because it is a claim of a fact, and thus can be fact-checked and found to be true or false. (Unlike an opinion. You cannot really fact check "Obama is ugly.")

I wouldn't phrase it that way some some will surely mis-read it, but I understand it.

The bigger problem is saying "idea" rather than "claim."

Best would be "The claim that Obama is a Muslim is a claim of fact."


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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:46 PM

7. You are correct.

And the sentence is poorly worded.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:51 PM

10. That is not correct.

Factual means rooted in fact, containing facts.

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Response to cali (Reply #10)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:04 PM

17. Sorry Cali, you're mistaken here.

Last edited Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:42 PM - Edit history (2)

The primary definition is pertaining to fact.

It is generally misused, like a lot of words.

Politifact certainly could have phrased it better to aoomadate how a lot of people are bound to read it, but what is appalling here is that where the meaning is very clear in context, people insist on taking it out of context so they can have a recreational outrage party.

Noah fit all the animals on his ark is a factual claim, but not a fact.

Noah was the best of the Biblical patriarchs is not a factual claim.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:53 PM

11. Yes, they're saying that the opinion statements can't be fact-checked, but ...

that the fact-based ("factual") ones, such as whether he is a Muslim, can be ... and that this one is factually incorrect.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:13 PM

12. It makes you wonder if the "clumsiness" was intended.

This is how I would word it.
"But the idea that Obama is a Muslim is a claim that can be fact checked yes or no".

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #12)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:05 PM

18. It's lousy writing, but if it was intentional then why

is it followed by the explanation that Obama is not, in fact, a Muslim?

Seems like people just enjoy getting bent out of shape.

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Response to ErikJ (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:51 PM

9. Hank Williams Jr. is a shit stain in the underwear of humanity.

He's a lot like W: Coasting along on the name of a much more gifted and talented father...

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Response to ErikJ (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:23 PM

14. Anyone who takes Hank Williams Jr. seriously is not to be taken seriously.

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Response to ErikJ (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:30 PM

16. CW stars shilling for the bigot vote, huh? Sad.

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Response to ErikJ (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:39 PM

19. response to my complaint to Polifact about it.

"It's not so much a typo as an inelegant phrasing. The contrast was between something that was an "opinion" (and thus not checkable by us) and a "factual" issue (which we can check). I have forwarded this to the editor and expect he will tweak the wording to make that clear.
Thanks for bringing this to our attention...."


On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 3:26 PM, <politifacta@gmail.com> wrote:

"But the idea that Obama is a Muslim is factual."
This sentence is in your article debunking the fact that Obama is not a Muslim.
Is this a typo or are you intentionally creating a quotable item for those who claim it is true to use?

http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2012/sep/04/hank-williams-jr/hank-williams-jr-says-barack-obama-muslim/


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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #19)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:45 PM

20. Good job! Thanks Pooka

Now I wonder if they'll follow through. I could easily imagine lots of Cons taking that sentence out of context for their debating arguments.

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Response to ErikJ (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 06:00 PM

21. Hank Williams Jr. makes me want to puke!

Ever since the pro-stupidity losers started wearing Bocephus t-shirts I've found him repugnant.

(sorry to people who may like his "music")

Interesting factoid:

"Bocephus is a nickname which was given to country singer Hank Williams Jr. He was given the nickname by his father who started calling him Bocephus because he thought that Hank looked like a ventriloquist with the same name." Source: ask.com

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