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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:41 PM

the terrible truth about most " pro-lifers"...

If their wives or daughters were impregnated by a rapist, they would go running to the Clinic.
Especially if the rapist was black...

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Reply the terrible truth about most " pro-lifers"... (Original post)
dtom67 Oct 2012 OP
uppityperson Oct 2012 #1
nichomachus Oct 2012 #4
uppityperson Oct 2012 #5
nichomachus Oct 2012 #6
uppityperson Oct 2012 #12
NoMoreWarNow Oct 2012 #13
Alekei_Firebird Oct 2012 #2
peace13 Oct 2012 #3
Hepburn Oct 2012 #7
Hepburn Oct 2012 #8
maxsolomon Oct 2012 #9
NoMoreWarNow Oct 2012 #11
ItsTheMediaStupid Oct 2012 #10
jeff47 Oct 2012 #14
PDJane Oct 2012 #15
Firebirds01 Oct 2012 #18
PDJane Oct 2012 #22
Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2012 #19
ieoeja Oct 2012 #16
felix_numinous Oct 2012 #17
LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #20
hvn_nbr_2 Oct 2012 #21

Response to dtom67 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:42 PM

1. Are you saying all "pro-lifers" are, what? White? Or that black rapists are

particularly awful for some reason? Please clarify. Thank you.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:07 PM

4. That's not at all what the post said

Danger: knee-jerking in progress

The OP said "most." You read "all."

The OP was talking about how racist pro-lifers would react to a mixed-race pregnancy, without the OP making any judgment.

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Response to nichomachus (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:08 PM

5. "Especially if the rapist was black..." does say for some reason being black rapist is worse. And

notice I asked for clarification from the OP, rather than attacking based on an assumption.

Reading comprehension is good.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:10 PM

6. I agree

reading comprehension always helps. Your "request for clarification" was written as an attack.

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Response to nichomachus (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:18 PM

12. Well, next time maybe I should ask "please"? Oh wait, I did. Still waiting for clarification.

Perception is in the eye of the beholder.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:19 PM

13. I think the implication was someone like Mourdock-- a white conservative male

 

and I am quite sure if Mourdock's daughter were raped by a black man, he would rethink his anti-abortion stand.

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Response to dtom67 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:43 PM

2. This whole birth control-abortion fiasco is anxiety about declining white birth rate

Conservatives think that if they roll back feminism, white women will be pumping out 4+ pure race babies to counter the oncoming demographic shift.

Some conservatives even think the whole gay marriage issue is about saving the white demographic.

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Response to Alekei_Firebird (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:48 PM

3. +100

I just had that discussion with a very 'born again' white friend last night. She finally got right down to it and said that our country's birth rate was way too low. I said excuse me ..do you mean white babies cause I think we are still growing as a population. I couldn't believe it. She hails pro-life but really blames abortion for the lack of fresh white babies. Go figure.

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Response to dtom67 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:10 PM

7. Yeah....

....their piety on human life does not apply personally.

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Response to dtom67 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:13 PM

8. I have to add:

If their precious, virgin daughter got pregnant and not from a rape...it would either be the 2nd coming of Christ's virgin birth...or a trip to Planned Parenthood for a D&C for menstrual problems.



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Response to dtom67 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:15 PM

9. "The only moral abortion is my abortion"

http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html

"In 1990, in the Boston area, Operation Rescue and other groups were regularly blockading the clinics, and many of us went every Saturday morning for months to help women and staff get in. As a result, we knew many of the 'antis' by face. One morning, a woman who had been a regular 'sidewalk counselor' went into the clinic with a young woman who looked like she was 16-17, and obviously her daughter. When the mother came out about an hour later, I had to go up and ask her if her daughter's situation had caused her to change her mind. 'I don't expect you to understand my daughter's situation!' she angrily replied. The following Saturday, she was back, pleading with women entering the clinic not to 'murder their babies.'" (Clinic escort, Massachusetts)


"In 1973, after Roe v. Wade, abortion became legal but had to be performed in a hospital. That of course was changed later. For the first 'legal abortion day' I had scheduled five procedures. While scrubbing between cases, I was accosted by the Chief of the OB/Gyn service. He asked me, 'How many children are you going to kill today?' My response, out of anger, was a familiar vulgar retort. About three months later, this born-again Christian called me to explain that he was against abortion but his daughter was only a junior in high school and was too young to have a baby and he was also afraid that if she did have a baby she would not want to put it up for adoption. I told him he did not need to explain the situation to me. 'All I need to know', I said, 'is that SHE wants an abortion.' Two years later I performed a second abortion on her during her college break. She thanked me and pleaded, 'Please don't tell my dad, he is still anti-abortion.'" (Physician, Washington State)

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #9)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:17 PM

11. of course-- and it is the rich ones who can pay for a good doctor to do it secretly

 

while they screw over poor women with these laws

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Response to dtom67 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:15 PM

10. We live in the era of religious nuts

All religions that started in the Middle East apparently have the capacity to make people crazy.

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Response to dtom67 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:23 PM

14. The other terrible truth

Is that they want to force the women to give birth, and then refuse to support the unwanted child.

If you're "pro-life" and have adopted several children, especially those that aren't white infants, then you have a point.

If you're "pro-life" and haven't, then you're just out to force women to follow your orders.

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Response to dtom67 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:50 PM

15. The 'pro-life' stance only works if you're willing to provide for the unwanted children

in ways that provide a loving home that will allow them education and the other things necessary to reach their full potential.

However, since the same people believe in the death penalty and other retributions, what the 'pro-choice' stance really comes down to is anti-woman...and probably anti-child, too. It's an affection for the mythical 'innocent babies' and nothing that applies in real life.

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Response to PDJane (Reply #15)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:27 PM

18. broad brushes are awesome!

 

My wife is prolife. She also believes that the state should ensure that every child has prenatal and postnatal care. She believes in full funded daycares and preschools. She believes in funding colleges and other educational programs so that poor women are able to have kids. She is most assuredly against the death penalty.

We she also wants to adopt a child from the third world.


Ill be happy to let her know she is "really anti-woman and anti-child."

Thanks.

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Response to Firebirds01 (Reply #18)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 06:35 PM

22. Jump to conclusions, much? If she believes in the help of the state and is against the death

penalty, then she is pro-life, and the other stuff doesn't apply to her. Good for her. Fine.

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Response to PDJane (Reply #15)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:29 PM

19. Consistent Life Ethic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consistent_life_ethic

Not necessarily a majority view in the anti-abortion movement, but more substantial than you might think.

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Response to dtom67 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:00 PM

16. Most pro-lifers believe that abortion should remain legal.


Every relative I know believes that abortion should remain legal, oppose almost every anti-abortion legislation that comes up, and will never, ever, under any circumstances vote for a candidate who is not pro-life.

They have this idea in their head that the "other" side in this debate is trying to convince people to get abortions. Pro-lifers routinely call pro-choicers hypocrites when pro-choicers have children. And we always have the same reaction : WTF?!? This is one of those issues where the two sides don't even seem to speak the same language.

Years ago the President of the Indiana Right to Life stated that Liberals believe people are generally good and the gov't should be there to help them when necessary while Conservatives know that people are inherently evil and need gov't to enforce God's law.

You and I read that statement and think it paints Conservatives as hateful pieces of shit. Yet, he wrote that as a Conservative. Apparently, when he reads that statement he sees it as claiming that Liberals are naive.


Joke told in a Conservative crowd:

"A man who speaks two languages is bilingual. A man who speaks more than two is multi-lingual. So what do you call a man who speaks only one language? ... American."

{laughter ... then he and I speaking at the same time}

Me: "Not often you hear a good American joke."
He: "And can you believe it was a Mexican who told me that joke."

Me: "Huh?"
He: "Huh?"

He and the other Conservatives in that crowd believe that joke makes fun of Mexicans. You and I see that joke as making fun of Americans. We really have a hard time understanding each other.

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Response to dtom67 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:20 PM

17. The pro life issue

is the conservative ace in the hole. When they are backed up in a corner, they scream 'baby killer' at the left and get their base all fired up. It is a wedge issue that has worked for them for years.

Not to say that this issue is not also important-- but there are certain issues that get people fired up--abortion, race baiting, and religious attacks--all of which conservatives specialize in--they are so predictable, and pathetic around election time.

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Response to felix_numinous (Reply #17)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:32 PM

20. This is the reason I think there will never be a real push

to make it fully illegal. It's too useful as a political talking point.

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Response to dtom67 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:40 PM

21. You raise an interesting point

A question for the "rape-babies-are-God's-will" Congresscretins: If your wife were raped by Willie Horton, would you put her in jail for aborting Willie Horton's baby?

DUers of a certain age will remember the historical context of the question.

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