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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:19 AM

If God makes rapists rape you...

...what the heck is Satan for?


(I know the theological answer, but most of American Heartland Christianity *as practiced* is a Manichean heresy of some sort where God and Satan compete. Few rank-and-file American "bible-believing" Christians who believe that Evolution is a lie promulgated by Satan believe that God created the lie of evolution and permited Satan to promulgate that lie, since everything is God's will and creation.)

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Reply If God makes rapists rape you... (Original post)
cthulu2016 Oct 2012 OP
mshasta Oct 2012 #1
DefenseLawyer Oct 2012 #2
Fawke Em Oct 2012 #6
DefenseLawyer Oct 2012 #10
cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #11
sofa king Oct 2012 #41
msanthrope Oct 2012 #13
Bandit Oct 2012 #14
Fawke Em Oct 2012 #35
Fawke Em Oct 2012 #33
Drale Oct 2012 #3
Hepburn Oct 2012 #4
thereismore Oct 2012 #5
cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #8
thereismore Oct 2012 #12
cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #15
thereismore Oct 2012 #17
cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #19
The Magistrate Oct 2012 #28
thereismore Oct 2012 #47
Caretha Oct 2012 #29
DawgHouse Oct 2012 #18
Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #24
DawgHouse Oct 2012 #26
Grammy23 Oct 2012 #37
moondust Oct 2012 #23
Arugula Latte Oct 2012 #44
Lithos Oct 2012 #7
PD Turk Oct 2012 #9
snooper2 Oct 2012 #16
tk2kewl Oct 2012 #20
DefenseLawyer Oct 2012 #22
rustydog Oct 2012 #21
BlueIndyBlue Oct 2012 #25
DawgHouse Oct 2012 #27
napkinz Oct 2012 #30
MattBaggins Oct 2012 #31
Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #32
Azathoth Oct 2012 #34
ProudProgressiveNow Oct 2012 #36
napkinz Oct 2012 #38
lapislzi Oct 2012 #39
Sheepshank Oct 2012 #40
napkinz Oct 2012 #43
Kablooie Oct 2012 #42
Shankapotomus Oct 2012 #45
Aerows Oct 2012 #46
KansDem Oct 2012 #48
napkinz Oct 2012 #49

Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:22 AM

1. good one!!

Satan is out of work.....apparently God is talking all evil positions...

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:23 AM

2. Where did Cain's wife come from?

As long as we are exploring religious mysteries.

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Response to DefenseLawyer (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:27 AM

6. Cain's wife came from Nod.



(Pssst... Abel was murdered before he married).

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:35 AM

10. The first people were his mom and dad, right?

Built there in the garden. If the first people were Cain's parents how was there a woman somewhere else that Cain could marry?

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Response to DefenseLawyer (Reply #10)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:38 AM

11. Serious answer

Genesis is the story of the creation of the jews, not of mankind.

Fundamentalist Christian answer... there isn't one.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 11:40 AM

41. Bingo!

Just look at what the names of tribes around the world mean, and you'll find that a great many of them name themselves things like, "The Real People," "The Chosen Ones," "The Human Beings."

The implication being that everyone not of that tribe is not "people," and sometimes not even human. The Bible is all about defining "people" differently from the way we define people today. Those who aren't "people" have no rights, can be dealt with treacherously, and are unworthy of mention in the canon except as opponents and loot.

Sometimes that definition is further refined. Look for an un-scrubbed translation of Numbers 31 and you will find something like this: "and of human beings -- of the women who have not known the lying of a male -- all the persons are two and thirty thousand."

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Response to DefenseLawyer (Reply #10)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:39 AM

13. Yes. Who was Enoch's mother? nt

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Response to DefenseLawyer (Reply #10)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:41 AM

14. What about Adam's first wife Lillith?

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Response to Bandit (Reply #14)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 01:16 AM

35. She went onto create thinkers.

The same as Jesus' wife, Mary Magdelene.

Anyone who thinks at 33-year-old Jewish man wasn't married in those days is a fool.

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Response to DefenseLawyer (Reply #10)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 01:11 AM

33. I was making a Biblical JOKE

Didn't you see the chuckle icon?

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:24 AM

3. For making stupid, evil Politicians. /nt

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:24 AM

4. To welcome the rapist to hell?



Good question.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:25 AM

5. In evangelical circles, God is omnipotent and in full control. Satan actually does God's will

because even Satan is God's creation, therefore God has complete control over him. This is why the rape=God's will sits squarely with evangelical beliefs.

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Response to thereismore (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:28 AM

8. That's among evangelical theologians

In my experience, rank and file "bible-believing christians" do not accept that in practice.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #8)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:39 AM

12. True, they are all hypocrites about it. nt

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Response to thereismore (Reply #12)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:41 AM

15. Case in point —here is Mourdock's walk-back of his comment

"God creates life, and that was my point. God does not want rape, and by no means was I suggesting that he does. Rape is a horrible thing, and for anyone to twist my words otherwise is absurd and sick," stated Richard Mourdock.


A theologically sound explanation would lose him the election, costing him the votes of some of the most faithful.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #15)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:44 AM

17. That's what they say also. Satan has "free will" in contradiction to God's supposed omnipotence and

omniscience. If you press them on it, the theologian will say "it's a divine mystery" and there it ends.

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Response to thereismore (Reply #17)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:50 AM

19. Though God knows everything Satan will do with that free will

but God does not change what he knows Satan will do...

So God lacks free will.

But we pray to him in hopes he will change his mind... which he won't, to a degree so monstrous in practice it suggests that he cannot..

But Satan can, because he has free will. So it only makes sense to pray to Satan.

QED.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #19)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:22 PM

28. Well Done, Sir

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #19)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 01:20 PM

47. Yup. God has no free will, assuming he exists of course. nt

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #15)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:25 PM

29. No you uneducated knuckle dragger

God does not create life! Egg meets sperm creates life. Simple as that.

Edited to add - I don't mean you cthulu2016, just thought I should clarify

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Response to thereismore (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:46 AM

18. Satan is god’s creation but he (and the other angels) have free will, same as mankind.

At least that’s what I was always taught in my fundamentalist years.

God can control Satan but chooses not too because he prefers that mankind make the “right” choice on their own.

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Response to DawgHouse (Reply #18)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:06 PM

24. God loves all of us, but allows us fuck up so that we can then be punished for all eternity.

Seems that God does NOT love all of us, for if he did, he would not allow that to happen.

Either that, or God is just another cruel deity, like all the other sky deities, since he allows us to be created with the foreknowledge that some will be condemned to horrific punishment even before they are conceived.

Some all-loving god, there.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #24)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:18 PM

26. Yep. Not only that but he knows before you're even born if you're going to hell or not.

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Response to DawgHouse (Reply #26)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 01:26 AM

37. For sure about that one. It never pays to try to engage in a "discussion" with a fundamentalist

because they have an answer for everything. The convenient thing for them is that none of their answers have to make sense and do not have to have any logic. If you present inconsistencies from the Bible, they close their ears ( the ear lobes fold up into the ear canal) and they refuse to listen to you. Or they have a canned answer that they got from the "authority" at their church. I know that is how this works because my daughter in law used that tactic once on me. Then I got wise and realized it was a lost cause. And yes, she did tell me that she got her information from "authorities". Scary.

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Response to thereismore (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:05 PM

23. What kind of God

would allow the Holocaust to happen?

I've read that some Jews who survived the death camps asked that question and concluded that either God is not good or there is no God, and they gave up on religion altogether.

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Response to thereismore (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 01:09 PM

44. In other words, their god is a giant A-hole.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:28 AM

7. It's one of those dualisms

Satan made the person rape you; God took the opportunity to "gift" you with a baby. Nevermind of course that you will now be reminded of Satan's work for the rest of your life and nevermind that the laws would allow the rapist to maintain full contact with you and your child and nevermind that this could be some figure (family member, etc.) whose presence would threaten you and your child as well.

Job should have been so lucky.

L-

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:31 AM

9. Heavy Metal

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:44 AM

16. Make sure everybody experiences a little kinky sex during their lifetime



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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:52 AM

20. Satan obviously exists to tempt raped women to get abortions, silly.

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Response to tk2kewl (Reply #20)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:00 PM

22. And to hide fake dinosaur bones to trick people into believing in evolution. n/t

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:57 AM

21. Don't you love it when the GOP (God's Only Prophets)

hijack God, claim to be the official spokespersons for God and then do and say such UnGodly things:

Women who are legitimately raped can't get pregnant.
Some women rape so easily?
If you have been raped, and become pregnant, IT IS A GIFT FROM GOD?????

What do these socially, mentally, ethically, physically, psychologically retarded Republicans actually think rape is: a scene out of a porn flick with the "cool" music, the woman saying;" no, no" then yelling "YES, YES?"
Do they think a woman can't be raped?

Wow, the hatred, the misogyny is stunning. And there are still women Republicans, I just don't get it.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:14 PM

25. Well to illustrate the mentality here in Indiana...

check out this quote from a Facebook post on a local TV station's report of Rmoney pulling his endorsement of Mourdock.

"we do not make the baby, God does. Once again, we as humans feel that we are the creator of man, we are not. Even during an act such as rape, God makes a decision whether the sperm enters the egg, we do not. If a baby is conceived during a rape the pregnancy is the will of God, not the rape."



Oh my goodness....I hope the stupid isn't contagious. But if it is, I can use Obamacare for my pre-existing condition.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:19 PM

27. Satan was created to poke you in your little tookus with a pitchfork if you misbehave. Duh!

Credit to David Cross.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:17 PM

30. I think Mourdock is Rosemary's Baby

I think she had a second child ... ah yes, Todd Akin!





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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:23 PM

31. Doesn't that make god a co-conspirator and liable under law?

Shouldn't god be hauled before a grand jury, indicted, prosecuted, and convicted?

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:24 PM

32. Well it is the same God who arranged for Lot to screw his daughters.

"The Bible is a book with some beautiful poetry, a blood stained history, a wealth of obscenity, and upwards of 10,000 lies." Mark Twin

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 01:13 AM

34. Satan is the monster who wants you to have access to affordable healthcare while you're pregnant

You liberals just don't understand the sublime logic behind it all...

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 01:18 AM

36. Excellent!

Food for thought for the right wingers.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 11:04 AM

38. Romney/Ryan ... spread the word (their words)




















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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 11:14 AM

39. Interesting aside, off topic, but...

I really enjoy your theological conundrums.

Regarding Manichean heresy, I lived in South Africa during the apartheid years. One of the interesting by-products of the ruling Afrikaner whites' vitriolic interpretation of Calvinist doctrine was a set of strict laws against blasphemy and heresy. Manichean heresy was one of their favorite targets.

One of the more notorious examples of their extreme promulgation of these laws was the banning of the work of Irish recording artist Chris de Burgh, for his song "Spanish Train." (Not saying that banning Chris de Burgh is de facto a bad thing, mind you..). It was considered fashionably subversive to own a copy of the album on which this song appeared.

For those who don't know, "Spanish Train" is a song depicting Jesus and Satan passing the time on a train playing cards for souls.

I offer this as a quick study in what Manichean heresy and how it is or is not applied.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 11:19 AM

40. it would appear God is 'into' Bondage or S&M

This would make Satan very relevant and possibly complicit

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #40)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 01:04 PM

43. Bondage ... Binders ... Big Bird ...

Hey Republicans, "let's call the whole thing off"













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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 11:52 AM

42. Satan is there to entice women to enjoy sex. God wants them to hate it.

That's what Adam and Eve was all about.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 01:13 PM

45. If rape is a gift from God

so is abortion. Two can play at that game.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 01:15 PM

46. The vast majority of religions

are misogynistic. Christianity is just as bad as Islam in this regard.

Any religion that advocates that women are to be subservient to men, etc. etc., is a crock of shit. Not that I think there are any religions that aren't crocks of shit, but some are worse than others.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 01:21 PM

48. Quality control

"Inspected by No. 666"

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 02:44 PM

49. latest on Facebook ...







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