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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:23 AM

Does anyone know someone who is "undecided?"

I certainly don't. This will be my first time voting as a Democrat, last election I voted as an Independent. I think NYS is pretty safe for the President. I'll also be supporting our local Democrats too. One more thing, anyone have any pointers on dealing with election stress? All of my friends are so stressed about this election.

They realize how important this is. I know we hear it every election cycle, but this really is the most important election I'll be voting in so far. I think about the make up of the Supreme Court, the repeal of the affordable care act.. and it's pretty scary stuff.

We've seen extreme measures by republicans across the county trying to make it harder for women to exercise their legal right to choose. The republicans are passing these laws without control of the White House and the Congress. Imagine how things will be if they gain control of both. Not to mention putting one or two more conservative Justices on the court.

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Reply Does anyone know someone who is "undecided?" (Original post)
rainlillie Oct 2012 OP
Anthony McCarthy Oct 2012 #1
dems_rightnow Oct 2012 #2
Flashmann Oct 2012 #3
Liberalynn Oct 2012 #4
april Oct 2012 #5
formercia Oct 2012 #6
marlakay Oct 2012 #7
catbyte Oct 2012 #8
BlueStreak Oct 2012 #9
KansDem Oct 2012 #10
ecstatic Oct 2012 #20
karmaqueen Oct 2012 #11
Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2012 #12
Whiskeytide Oct 2012 #23
Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2012 #26
rbrnmw Oct 2012 #13
belcffub Oct 2012 #14
beveeheart Oct 2012 #16
JaneQPublic Oct 2012 #15
Grammy23 Oct 2012 #17
occupymybrain Oct 2012 #18
ProgressiveProfessor Oct 2012 #19
lapislzi Oct 2012 #21
LeftInTX Oct 2012 #25
Johonny Oct 2012 #22
lamp_shade Oct 2012 #24
Generic Other Oct 2012 #27
Hamlette Oct 2012 #28

Response to rainlillie (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:26 AM

1. Anyone who is undecided at this point is too uninformed to be voting

 

Anyone undecided this close to the election is to uninformed to cast an informed vote. I suspect a lot of the officially undie voters won't show up to the polls.

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Response to rainlillie (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:27 AM

2. I probably do

But I couldn't tell you who they were. I don't make a habit out of asking my acquaintances if they've made up their mind. But yes, I do know that most of them weren't undecided.... ever.

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Response to rainlillie (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:29 AM

3. I actually DO know one

My wifes Grandmother,who at age 94,is in a Alzheimer's caused vegetative state...

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Response to rainlillie (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:31 AM

4. Bill Press played a Letterman clip

where he said "if you are still undecided you are an idiot" or words to that effect.

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Response to rainlillie (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:32 AM

5. no ..I just can't understand after all this time how could you be undecided

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Response to rainlillie (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:33 AM

6. Undecided Voters are mostly a figment of the GOP Imagination

..but they come in real handy when it comes time to argue how the votes were flipped. Just another uncertainty factor to muddle the Election.

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Response to rainlillie (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:37 AM

7. My son n law

He used to be solid dem but he is officer in military and after 3 years at pentagon where the generals worked on him daily I noticed he slowly headed their way.

He changed from dem to independent and last I heard hasn't made up his mind.

He doesn't like mitt though.

He was trying to talk my daughter about a year ago into changing also...last I heard she is still with Obama and since he has left dc the influence might not be as bad.

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Response to rainlillie (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:37 AM

8. I talked to one in my office on Friday

He was a student and I'm staff at a public university so I didn't feel comfortable trying to sway him towards Obama--in fact, I think it would have been a violation of the Hatch Act, LOL, but I did explain my rationale for who I was voting for, mainly centered about women's health rights, but I didn't push. This guy was a laid off worker a few years younger than me going back for retraining in OSH. I did mention that he did get his Pell Grant courtesy of the Democrats...Dicey situation.

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Response to rainlillie (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:38 AM

9. Attention whores

The people who claim to be watching but are undecided are just attention whores. "Oh lawdy, ah cahn't seem to make up mah mind. Bring that camera a little closer, sweetie?"

I know a lot of people who probably won't vote. In that sense they are undecided.

And I know some people who say they are undecided, but they always vote Republican. They use the "undecided" label to try to convince other people that they aren't complete dumbasses, that they are actually thinking it through, and they just need a little more time.

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Response to rainlillie (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:39 AM

10. I work with someone who claims she won't vote for either candidate

I think she leans extreme right-wing. I believe she is typical of those Repubs who don't like Romney but can't vote for Obama, so she just shrugs it off as "I'm not voting for either one."

I work with her only one evening a week (that's enough!). Last week I mentioned some of the "inconsistencies" in statements of certain Repubs and she went off with "They both lie! Republicans and Democrats!"--a statement Repubs make when they discover Repubs lying.

I countered with "Tell me about a lie made recently by a prominent Democrat!" She couldn't, although I could name and describe a few recent Repub lies (thanks to DU!).

Then she countered with Obama's a Muslim and a Socialist! I restated the problem with capitalist "job creators" and their practice of moving American jobs overseas and closed with my argument with the observation that we need socialism now. She shut up.

I don't know what's going to happen this week...

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Response to KansDem (Reply #10)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:37 AM

20. I noticed repubs are doing that a lot

When problems with Mitt are brought to their attention, they say Obama is guilty too.

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Response to rainlillie (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:40 AM

11. Ran into one yesterday at our polling place!

A big, burly,good looking guy came walking up and and we asked if he needed a voting guide...He looked as if he just walked in off of a fishing boat, he was tan and windswept. He said, "Which side is for the environment?" He loved the ocean and wanted to protect it.. There are some people who pay no attention to anything but know what they like. I think the environment needed to be a bigger issue. We definitely got his vote!

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Response to rainlillie (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:40 AM

12. I do, but it is because they don't like either of them. So, I think this is a bit different angle.

than picking the one you like the most. My thought is that if you don't like either you probably won't vote at all.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #12)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:18 AM

23. Bingo - this is what's going on...

... I'm in deep red Alabama, and I know a lot of people who hate both of them and just don't know what to do.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Reply #23)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 09:25 AM

26. this is good - why Noot and Santorum said not to pick Money Boo Boo. There will be the ultra-right

wingnuts who stay home

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Response to rainlillie (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:54 AM

13. no but I have talked to many apathetic people who are not registered to vote and won't

register to vote because they hate politics. These same people are the ones that always bitch when republicans control things. The whole welfare reform is effecting these people because time limits have expired and there not many jobs here in the Southern part of Ohio. Some are forced to give their kids to relatives to raise or the courts take them for dependency an actual law here in Ohio. It's really sad that these people are being stigmatized because the welfare laws here in Ohio. Hardly anyone gets an extension in my county Perry.

this defines dependency in the Ohio Revised Code it makes me sick that they take people's kids instead of giving the parents financial support
They use this law a lot here on people who have no months left for welfare and are denied extensions


2151.04 Dependent child defined.
As used in this chapter, “dependent child” means any child:

(A) Who is homeless or destitute or without adequate parental care, through no fault of the child’s parents, guardian, or custodian;

(B) Who lacks adequate parental care by reason of the mental or physical condition of the child’s parents, guardian, or custodian;

(C) Whose condition or environment is such as to warrant the state, in the interests of the child, in assuming the child’s guardianship;

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Response to rainlillie (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:59 AM

14. several that have said so...

but I live in NY... doesn't really matter to much...

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Response to belcffub (Reply #14)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:12 AM

16. I have one very religious friend in Maryland

who is still undecided, but like yours, it won't matter because MD is blue.

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Response to rainlillie (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:06 AM

15. My nephew's wife, who actually made a good point.

She said she's leaning Obama, but wanted to first look into Mitt to be sure.

But whenever she's asks Mitt supporters why she should vote for him, all she hears is why they hate Obama but nothing about why to be FOR Mitt.

And since she doesn't hate Obama, she has yet to find a reason to vote for Mitt.

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Response to rainlillie (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:16 AM

17. I haven't talked to anyone that is "undecided" but I do believe they are out there---


Is it possible that those of us who are highly invested in this election and follow every move of the polls and our candidates can't conceive of a person who does not engage in this process? I think it's possible that there are people of voting age who simply are sick of politics, are turned off by the whole thing or who have other interests. I know it's hard for those of us who think about this night and day to imagine someone not interested. But I think they are there.

My niece and I were talking about this last night and she mentioned another possibility and I do think it applies to a segment of the undecided voters. That would be the ones who want to "be on the winning side". They don't particularly care one way or the other who wins as long as they vote for the one who gets the prize in the end.

The low information voter who is just now tuning in to what's going on are probably struggling with an overload of information and may be overwhelmed sorting it all out.

And another possibility is that some people just have a hard time choosing anything....whether it's their entree from a long menu or where to go on vacation. They just have difficulty deciding because they want to "be right" in their choice. They are the ones who are fast forwarding to whether they will regret their selection later on.

Finally, there are some people who probably aren't too happy with Obama but Romney is no sure answer for them. So they may be looking for a reason to vote one way or the other.

Take all those reasons and you may find some of each in that thin slice of folks who have not decided how they will vote. Or even IF they will vote.

Long story short.....not everyone sees a clear choice, even though most of here knew a long time ago how we'd vote.

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Response to rainlillie (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:33 AM

18. I know of three undecided

They are in their 70's and are Republican and they will not vote this year. Oh I live in Co so that is good news. I have asked them what they think of social security and medicaid and they all think Romney is going to do away with it. These are three very religious as well and I think they have a problem with a Mormon in the white house. All and all good news for Obama

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Response to rainlillie (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:37 AM

19. This is one of the reasons that the debates were useless

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Response to rainlillie (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:08 AM

21. Yes.

We have a newbie at work, recent college grad, quite smart and mixed on many issues. Socially, she is progressive, which leans her towards Obama. But, she had a strong grounding in business education, finance, and sales. Her "business sense" tells her to vote for Romney. She believes a lot of the bullshit coming out of the MSM because she doesn't know better.

I try to keep a low profile at work, even though as an older person I have been considered mentor to some of the younger ones here. All I said to her was that my concerns for her as a young woman would override any so-called economic advantages that Romney claims he can deliver (and we know he can't).

I think she will go for Obama because her conscience tells her it's the morally correct choice, fuck the (fake) numbers.

I also know a dyed-in-the-wool Green who hates both candidates equally and is loudly trumpeting Jill Stein. While I have the utmost respect for Ms. Stein (and it probably won't make a damn bit of difference how many disgruntled NYers vote for her), I don't believe in throwing my vote away.

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Response to lapislzi (Reply #21)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:15 PM

25. Is Romney really a job creator?

Ronald Reagan’s budget director, David Stockman, takes a scalpel to the claims.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/10/14/david-stockman-mitt-romney-and-the-bain-drain.html

Lots of unflattering articles about Romney in Forbes, Businessweek and WSJ.

He will be running a country not buying, selling, flipping and stripping businesses.



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Response to rainlillie (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:11 AM

22. Sadly yes

I know people that still haven't started to think about the 2012 elections. I mean they're still weeks away. Will they actually vote? I'm not saying they aren't ideological undecided. They just are people that are stupid, but are vastly unaware of the great affect political policies have on their lives. They think people that talk politics all the time are blow hards. They're the people that will say "So and so never said he was going to do such and such"... and you will reply huh he said it over and over. How do you get people to CARE? I don't know. There are a lot of comfortable people that live very politically isolated lives. Many don't vote, but some are voting. Who will they vote for? I imagine their ideological team, meaning they are undecided in name only. Almost everyone has an ideology by the time they reach adulthood.

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Response to rainlillie (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:22 AM

24. Yup... 2 people... both relatives. I checked and by golly neither is even registered. Ha! n/t

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Response to rainlillie (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 09:45 AM

27. I know one person

He doesn't like Obama and he doesn't trust Romney. Thankfully, he is Canadian so can't vote in Florida.

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Response to rainlillie (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 10:02 AM

28. yes, the woman in the office next to mine

she just graduated from BYU (Mormon) law school. she's very nice but I have never seen her passionate about anything. She worked here part time while in law school so I've known her for 2 years. Not sure what makes he tick.

I live in Utah. I used to think I should try to convince people but when Kerry only got 25% of the vote here, I decided it was a waste of time. It only makes me crazy how uninformed they are and I work with these people. I'm an out atheist and it seems to me if they can accept me for that, I've made progress in my own little way.

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