Theocratic Totalitarian State Has Been A Long Term Project. Bill Moyers ----

[TheMastersNemesis]

interviewed a preacher in the late 1980's who told him directly that it was the aim of the churches to take over the government and establish a theocratic state. Bill Moyers sat there in disbelief and was angry at the prospect. I am not sure who that preacher was and he probably is no longer around. He was based in Texas.

It seems to be more than coincidence that much of the RW religious influence and money comes out of Texas. Tha they are trying to change the text books nationwide to reflect their point of view and history.

Romney and Ryan represent the tip of the spear ini realizing that reality. And they are using a stealth and lie campaign to fool the voters. And this RW coalition represents a bigger threat to the country than the terrorists. There will be a time that we have to counter the religious zeal to change this democracy.

Religious freedom is just a straw man argument to deny legal rights. Forcing nonbelievers to operate by your beliefs is un American no matter what those beliefs are.

[siligut]

1. Dominionism was a topic on DU when W was pResident

And I think most of us have read the white horse prophecy, explaining how the Mormons want to establish a Theocracy in the US. Utah is like a Theocracy and it sucks.

[sakabatou]

25. I remember that

[haikugal]

2. It's still happening...

and I agree that Texas is a large part of it. I posted the Mormon video on another site and was attacked by another lefty for using RW tactics. This isn't going to be easy. Those like us who have a live and let live philosophy are at a disadvantage trying to point out this most obvious danger to our democracy.

[WinkyDink]

3. This makes no sense, for there is no monolithic "the churches." I assure you, a Mormon theocracy

would not be welcomed by Episcopalians, nor would an Episcopalian one be welcomed by Lutherans, and so on.

[defacto7]

8. This has happened for centuries..

Religions band with other religions, sect with other sects, cults and so on.. to reach an end that empowers all groups. Then they fight between each other after that.

We have already in the present political context seen this very thing. e.g. Billy Graham getting rid of his anti-Mormon web page after getting with Romney for a "talk" or agreement. There is no ambiguity that the Billy Graham evangelicals have a huge doctrinal distaste for Mormonism. To them it's a cult and they are not about to just brush it aside without a short term motive.

[GreenPartyVoter]

10. This is an evangelical operation.

[WCGreen]

13. The Catholics and the Jews wouldn't stand for it...

Except for a few idiots like Donahue, Catholics are socially liberal, outside of Abortion. Can you see the Jews going along with this...

No way. The LDS are just plain weird.

Damn it, now I sound like the school secretary on Ferris Buellers Day Off...

[backscatter712]

27. I don't trust Romney any further than I can throw him...

Well, with your bad knee, you shouldn't be throwing anyone.

[upi402]

4. Moyers is a gem

and a jewel

k&r

[mick063]

5. If by slim chance, they rose to power.

Their self fulfilled prophecy would come true and the crusades would begin again.

The world will know war and hatred that will last generations.

I could easily see "burning the Koran" a national holiday under their rule.

They would "out Tali ban" the Tali ban.


This is the unexpected long term effects of what Bin Laden has wrought.

Even his death cannot quench their thirst for blood.

Under such circumstances, Hitler rose to power. Substitute Islam for Judaism and the precursors are in place.

"Glass parking lot" is no different than the "final solution".

Extremists declared "Holy War" and many Americans embraced the challenge.

We are Americans. We can "out holy war" them.

[patrice]

6. AND they were the political cause of the War on Iraq by "threatening" the Bush administration

when George made moderate criticism of Israel, a bit of pre-ordained political drama that all sides were probably clued in on, so that Bush had an excuse to comply or else his plans to privatize Social Security would have been doomed, which they turned out to be anyway.

In addition to Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington FOIA research on White House Visitor Logs in the year preceding March 19, 2003, showing dozens of visits from a steady string of national Evangelical leaders whom I'd bet are well known to Ralph Reed: http://www.citizensforethics.org/ . . .

many of us also already knew how the official Bush family biographer, Mickey Herskowitz, documented Shrub's intent to be a "war president" in a 1997 interview, but here's the rest of the story about how the "Christian" Right played their part in making this war president, who expected to cash in his political capital in exchange for privatizing Social Security, thus insuring the safety of "our" financial sector from the coming derivative crash, which many from across the full political spectrum HAD to have known for some years was coming sooner or later anyway.

Info about Christian calls to the WH when Bush criticized Israel here:

[porphyrian]

7. . n/t

[GoneOffShore]

9. K&R !

[burrowowl]

11. Bill Moyers is a National Treasure!

[ProudProgressiveNow]

20. +1

[defacto7]

12. I only saw George Bush in person one time.

It was when his motorcade drove directly past my house to get to the Mormon administration building when he came to have a meeting with the Mormon prophet and the presidents of the LDS church.

Yeah, Bush got around to many of the religious powers for consultations. Billy Graham was also a frequent visitor the the White House.

[RagAss]

14. It ignores the fact that there are more atheists in the US today than ever before....

and growing.

[riderinthestorm]

16. So Muslims won't be the target - atheists will. Islam hates them as much as the others

And they better hurry since the atheist population is growing daily in the US.

More reason to find ways to install Rmoney and Ryan asap....

[aletier_v]

17. Or perhaps that is an incentive to move quicker

while they can.

[BarackTheVote]

18. I'd say this is causality at work

The more you tighten your grip, the more systems will slip through your fingers.

[HiPointDem]

22. Still not that many, though. The percent of religiously unaffiliated is growing; the percent of

outright atheists, less so.


A 2004 survey by the Pew Research Center showed that in the United States, 12% of people under 30 and 6% of people over 30 could be characterized as non-religious.[15]

A 2005 poll by AP/Ipsos surveyed ten countries. Of the developed nations, people in the United States were most sure of the existence of God or a higher power (2% atheist, 4% agnostic), while France had the most skeptics (19% atheist, 16% agnostic).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

[CrispyQ]

24. Atheists will be the common enemy to unite all religions.

After they purge us, they will start to turn on each other. Then you'll find out who are the nastiest, vile fuckers & which is the one true religion.

[riderinthestorm]

15. Unlike Biden, JFK, Harry Reid and others, neither Ryan nor Rmoney have drawn that clear line between

church and state. A verbal and written statement drawing that bright line in the sand for separation.

Rather their tangible actions indicate they fully embrace a theocracy.

[AndyTiedye]

19. Some 1%ers Want a Theocracy Because the People Cannot Overthrow a Theocracy

We all know that the 1%ers wouldn't want to live under a theocracy, and for that reason many assume that it can't happen here.

The 1%ers wouldn't live under a theocracy, they'd live above it, like the sheiks of Saudi Arabia.

Has any theocracy ever fallen to a popular uprising? I don't know of any.

[CrispyQ]

26. +1 - "The 1%ers wouldn't live under a theocracy, they'd live above it"

[liberal_at_heart]

21. Yes but this plan was hatched when way more people were religious

Atheists, agnostics, and people who believe in God but don't believe in organized religion are growing fast. 1 in 5 are no longer church going religious people. I believe this grab for power we are seeing is a desperate last ditch attempt at maintaining dominance. They are fighting a losing battle. Racial demographics are also changing. As far as racial and religious equality the future has potential although we can't take anything for granted. The real battle will be for economic equality. The 1% against the 99%. Right now the 1% are winning but at least people see it, recognize it, and are talking about it.

[malaise]

23. Duh!!!

You'd better believe it