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Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:29 PM

Fact Checked My Teacher

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Before I begin, I would just like to formally introduce myself on DU. My name is Aaron, I'm 16 years old, and I'm from New York City, New York.

Anyway, let me begin, so in New York State in order to graduate, one must take a Health course. I know it sounds stupid, but for me its an easy 95. Regardless, my teacher is former military, pro-small government, and around fifty years old. He also has a sticker saying that he supports the separation of "Darwin and state," so it comes as now surprise that he is a Republican.

So in today's class, I walked in and saw on the board "$712 billion cut from Medicare" and an arrow pointing to AARP. This didn't come as a surprise since he done enough Obama-bashing for a lifetime. Anyway, I, who is not a fan of political discussion with teachers, thought to myself, seriously. So, we begin discusses what AARP actually does and why it endorsed the Affordable Care Act. He came to the conclusion that AARP endorsed the Affordable Care Act simply because its "Medicare cuts" forced seniors to get more supplement coverage from AARP. In other words, lobbying. It's an interesting argument that sounds reasonable, obviously it's was a bunch of stuff, malarkey if you please.

I'd had enough. I'd allowed him to walk over the Affordable Care Act for nearly two months, and allowed him to spew GOP talking points to the fellow classmates. I had heard this Medicare crap all throughout the summer, the conventions, and the debates. I, being a policy wonk, had that Joe Biden smile of death on my face as I raised my hand. When I was called, I quickly pointed out that it was not $712 billion in cuts but actually $716 billion. Next, I pointed out that the Medicare cuts wasn't from coverage to seniors, but actually from wasteful spending to hospitals and big pharma. Finally, I said that the Paul Ryan's budget also cut the same number, but the cuts under "Obamacare" extended Medicare by eight years. As I spoke, I realized that the class favored by facts over his talking points.

He tried to cut me off, but I persisted. I, then, pointed out the Washington Post had given it four pinocchios, and that PolitiFact.com (I had also pointed out that it was an arm of the Tampa Bay Times and was a winner of the Pultizer Prize) had deemed it as utterly false. He, then, said, "The Washington Post endorsed Obama. It's not true." I simply, "No, it's called facts." The class, in unison, yelled, "Oh!" My teacher looked at me with that face (the "I know I just got fact-checked face"), and had no reply.

Shut him up real good...

Edit: He also attempted to tell me and my friend that Fox News wasn't biased.

Note: I attend a Catholic High School on a scholarship; since most NYC high schools are terrible especially in the Bronx.

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AaronMayorga Oct 2012 OP
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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:32 PM

1. AARP is an insurance company. Believe it.

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Response to deaniac21 (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:34 PM

3. True dat

still worth calling the guy out.

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Response to deaniac21 (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:42 PM

14. I am by no means denying that AARP lobbies,

but so does the NRA and US Chamber of Commerce. My point was this mythical cutting of benefits by the AHA simply wasn't true

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Response to AaronMayorga (Reply #14)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:41 PM

39. And, a wonderful Important Point it was, AM! It's the gop LIE that

keeps on going. Important to stand up to it any chance we get.

Like that "less ships in the Navy than in 1916" Bulloney that mitt's been saying for months and again last night in the debate when Pres Obama was READY for him..



http://theobamadiary.com/

The gop have nothing but lies and bogus talking points.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Reply #14)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:50 PM

40. As does the DAV (Disabled American Veterans)

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Response to AaronMayorga (Reply #14)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:31 PM

81. OK, but NRA and US Chamber of Commerce aren't insurance companies. AARP is. nt

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Response to deaniac21 (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:02 PM

101. There is nothing wrong with the AARP being an insurance company.

It is no different from any other health care that a retiree might enjoy if they receive it.

Medicare only covers 80% of covered expenses. So what is a person suppose to do if they don't have insurance that covers the other 20%?

I don't totally support AARP but I don't consider this part something to take issue.

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Response to deaniac21 (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:42 PM

104. So? The teacher was wrong and the student -- and AARP -- were right. n/t

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Response to deaniac21 (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:57 PM

114. AARP is no more an insurance company...

...than AAA is an insurance company. AARP is a policy / advocacy group for seniors (as AAA is for drivers).

It lends its brand insurance companies in order to generate revienew to support its non-profit programs. Seniors need insurance and by buying AARP branded products they not only get a service they need, they also help out a policy / advocacy group that supports them and their interests.

I'm a member of AARP. I appreciate their work on my behalf and on behalf of all seniors.

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #114)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 10:39 AM

120. Um, AAA and AARP are both insurance companies. Where do people come up with this stuff? nt

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Response to Romulox (Reply #120)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 08:39 PM

122. I belong to AARP. I have never bought any insurance from them. They are...

... a non-profit advocacy organization. Like many such organizations they license their brand to companies that provide products and services, including insurance. But they are not an insurance company.

http://www.aarp.org/about-aarp/info-2011/what-we-do.html

"Advocacy -AARP fights for 50 and over individuals and their families at the local, state and national levels. Last year, we won many battles on behalf of older Americans.... This year at AARP, we are continuing our work to protect and strengthen Social Security and Medicare, to save you money on your utility bills and to improve your access to quality health care. Whether in the nation's capital, in statehouses across the country or in the courts, we're in your corner, fighting on the issues that matter to you and your family. To learn more about our advocacy, please visit our Advocacy section on AARP.org."

http://www.aarp.org/content/aarp/en/home/politics-society/advocacy.html


http://www.aarphealthcare.com/important-disclosures.html

AARP and its affiliate are not insurance agencies or carriers and do not employ or endorse individual agents, brokers, producers, representatives or advisors.

AARP Health is a collection of health-related products, services and insurance programs made available by AARP. Neither AARP nor its affiliate is the insurer.

AARP contracts with insurers to make coverage available to AARP members. Insurers and providers pay a fee to AARP and its affiliate for use of the AARP intellectual property. Amounts paid are used for the general purposes of AARP and its members.

AARP does not recommend health-related products, services, insurance or programs. Insurance products carrying the AARP name are intended to be competitive products and may not be the lowest priced products. You are strongly encouraged to evaluate your needs and compare products.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:33 PM

2. Well done!

But I hope you weren't counting on a good grade in that class; you know how Republicans can be...

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #2)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:35 PM

6. At the moment, I've got a 95, I also had a teacher as a freshmen who thought

that Allen West was a good candidate.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:31 AM

72. my 12 yr old has a teabagger teacher and it is public school but I imagine Catholic schools

are filled with these types by now since they can get away with more at privates but stay strong

One thing we told the young ins is.......... that all your life you will have bosses, dates, friends try to sway you to their beliefs and that is all they are > their beliefs not facts.
Everyone has beliefs so try to form yours by weighing the facts then make up your own mind away from the noise..............

Funny the teachers are so off that even young kids already know now days when one is out of bounds
It is hard for all kids now everywhere
So take the good education part and do not get too caught up wasting energy with debates
All through life you will find some can retaliate if in a place of power if you alone protest too much
So organize and pick what your fights are carefully and where they can enact change or thought
just imo -you are young and smart and may have better ideas and sound like you can handle this - good luck
and good for you!!!!

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Response to lunasun (Reply #72)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:45 AM

79. "my 12 yr old has a teabagger teacher " But..

But...but...but our schools are filled with liberal teachers!

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Response to Grins (Reply #79)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 06:05 PM

106. Yeah....

my civics-teaching wife would be thrown out on her ear if she took a liberal slant. Conservative ideas she could probably get away with in this blood red part of California, but being progressively liberal, she has to play neutral in the classroom.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:34 PM

4. You just made my day!

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:35 PM

5. Bravo

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:36 PM

7. I think you're gonna like it here, Aaron!

And you've already gained my respect.

Keep on posting here. I'll be looking for more of your stuff.


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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:36 PM

8. Sounds like you got your head screwed on kid. Welcome to DU and to the greatest page.

Hope to see you in both places often.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:37 PM

9. Nice



Maybe he'll think twice before spewing RW lies in class next time.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:38 PM

10. Good for you!!!!!!

It sums up what they think know or want to hear! Keep smiling like Joe does!

Also, welcome to DU!

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:38 PM

11. Well ...

If this guy is true to the republican nature ... Kiss that "easy 95" bye, bye.

But welcome to the family!

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #11)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:43 PM

15. That's what I was thinking but...

it would still be sooooo worth it.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:40 PM

12. A belated welcome to DU, Aaron!



Good for you for standing up for the truth. Tomorrow, ask him about R&R's "coupon care" and how in the world that could possibly improve the ""Health" of seniors.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:41 PM

13. Document everything just in case.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:46 PM

16. Yep! They like to call things like ending non-competitive "bidding" for medical supplies & temporary

staffing contracts "Medicare Cuts" and that's just the tip of this particular iceberg.

Perhaps you have seen commercials about how easy it is to get Medicare to pay most of the price of motorized wheelchairs? Guess who owns a BIG piece of that action?

http://www.thenation.com/article/170470/tagg-team-romney-family-recipe-crony-capitalism

In 2007, the Scooter Store gave up $13 million in Medicare payments and paid $4 million to settle with the Justice Department over allegations that it had overbilled for its electric wheelchairs. The company, which has been bleeding money over the years as regulators moved to curb waste, still faces challenges that could make or break its business model—challenges that could be mitigated by pressure from the executive branch.

A Romney administration, for example, would have a role in the fate of a recently launched pilot program ensuring that patients see a doctor face to face to determine if a Medicare scooter is medically necessary—a program that has reportedly already reduced billings to the Scooter Store. Another challenge for the company is Section 3136 of the Obama administration’s Affordable Care Act. If Romney wins and repeals significant portions of the ACA, would he retain this provision, which compels Medicare to have a competitive bidding process for motorized wheelchairs?


Really! You did just make my day; I was just talking on FaceBook to one of the younger social justice activists that I know and she told me how a local candidate visited one of her classes at UMKC and the class just was NOT passive at all. They asked tough Civil Rights questions and really "talked back" on the issues, especially about education. You just put the icing on that particular cake for me today!

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:47 PM

17. well-done whippersnapper!! n/t

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:49 PM

18. Health class eh? Ask him if the people that wrote the Bible knew about hand washing?

I don't let anyone that doesn't wash their hands after taking a crap tell me anything.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:52 PM

19. k&r /nt

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:55 PM

20. Well done!



Welcome to DU.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:56 PM

21. Awesome. Maybe instead of "Mic check!"

students with teachers such as these should be treated to "Fact check!" scenarios.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:57 PM

22. Bravo - You Are A Wonderful Young Man!

You do deserve all the accolades that can be mustered for this great feat. More of it young man and be proud of yourself 'cause your great!

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:57 PM

23. Hey good for you and you can also tell him it was the Meidcare Supplemental Drug Act

that he must be thinking of --- rip off to taxpayers AND set in motion all sorts of supplemental ins. scams (Bush era natch.)

Here in CA we have to take this "Health 1" class in college I have to tell you as boring as I thought it was it was one of the most important classes I ever took because oddly a couple of years later I kept thinking of what the teacher said about tobacco addiction and decided that although I thought I could quit whenever when I was in school I was in fact hooked.....and I remembered how show said, the longer you put off quitting the harder, so I quit for my 25th b-day - 26 years ago!!

The teacher was an ex-smoker and had mentioned swimming regime as an anti-smoking program because you can't smoke when wet, and, you can exercise and breathe better a little more every day. It totally worked! I couldn't believe how I was remembering later all this stuff that bored me so much at the time, you never know!

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:58 PM

24. Good job

But I've seen the vindictiveness of teachers so be careful. In college, a professor of mine didn't like another student's liberal politics (this was an advanced math class where politics didn't belong), and he erased parts of my friend's work on tests to give him a lower grade. My friend was a bona-fide math genius though so he started doing everything in pen and stymied the professor.

It's amazing how teachers can really make a school. In high school, even though I was in a small farming community in Kansas, the teachers kept their opinions to themselves for the most part, even when asked, because they were there to teach us their particular subject. After I graduated, the science department really went downhill according to a friend who was two years behind me - while the chemistry/physics teacher and the biology teacher were still top-notch, the general science guy they brought in tried to teach that men had one less rib than women because of the account in Genesis, and that thunder causes lightning, not the other way around. Fortunately, my friend was like you and argued strongly against him.

TlalocW

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:59 PM

25. Well done and welcome

I wish you were a student in one of my government classes.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:00 PM

26. Your teacher needs to be spoken to by his Superintendent, if it's a public school. Because he is in

serious trouble for his politicking, unless he can show how it is an essential part of the course of studies.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #26)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:11 PM

29. Catholic School, actually.

But, I respect him. He seems like a decent person; I simply couldn't allow him to regurgitate GOP talking points to my friends who may not follow politics as closely as I do.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Reply #29)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:41 AM

54. Well, that explains a lot. I guess that's why Republicans promote the voucher system: Propagandizing

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #54)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:20 AM

69. Um...Winky...

I taught at a private Catholic school while writing books against the Bush administration and the wars. The admin was, to a person, very very liberal, and they made it God-wrathingly clear that NO POLITICS shall enter the classroom by way of a teacher.

Take care with that broad brush.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #69)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:56 PM

113. But....I'm a broad! ;-) Point taken. Can never forget the Berrigans, e.g.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:07 PM

27. Mr. Aaron, Welcome to DU and I bow to your intelligence

and guts. Standing up to a teacher like that is not easy.
May you have a long and happy stay at DU.
I will look forward to contributing to your first campaign.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:11 PM

28. Nice job! But interesting development

I grew up and currently live in NYC as well. I thought by law, a teacher wasn't suppose to talk about personal politics? Oh we'll at least you got your point across

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Response to Keafirehouse88 (Reply #28)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:15 PM

30. It's a catholic High School

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Response to AaronMayorga (Reply #30)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:12 AM

50. Watch your back

I hope the class represents a challenge and interesting discussions for you. I do, as other DU'ers mention here, remain highly suspicious of right-wing brainwashing efforts... especially in schools.
Keep a log, Aaron. Start with a couple notes on how this exchange went and any changes in how this teacher behaves towards you. Post it on DU as you have here, for instance, just so you have a memo months from now when this is a distant memory. Mention to your classmates when something seems to support a wingnut viewpoint and note who agrees that it seems a little skewed. Keep it to yourself till the end of the year, should it seem you are being discriminated against.
Hopefully this teacher won't let biases affect things like grading for you, but just in case it does, you don't want to be in a "your word against his" situation fighting for your passing grade. Just keep a log till the year is up, and I hope you don't have to utilize it.

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Response to nightscanner59 (Reply #50)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:26 AM

71. I agree with that advice!

I wish I had stood up to a former teacher who lowered my grade due to a non-related incident.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:15 PM

31. Why is he talking politics ...

... or economics for that matter, in health class?

Shouldn't this be about sex, drugs, diet, exercise, disease or something else along those lines?

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Response to surrealAmerican (Reply #31)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:18 PM

33. He wa trying to connect Obamacare to the government's involvement to one's health.

But, I think that he's just trying to push an agenda

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Response to AaronMayorga (Reply #33)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:23 PM

35. I think you're right.

There's plenty of "government involvement" that would be far more applicable to you and your classmates: things like food safety, water quality, vaccines, etc. This is not relevant to teens.

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Response to surrealAmerican (Reply #31)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:24 AM

76. That was my first thought. n/t

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:17 PM

32. Truth to Power!

Well done! Never lose that fire!

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:20 PM

34. This made my day

At 16 you're smarter than middle aged tea baggers.
I salute you my young friend...

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:26 PM

36. Best post I have read here in a long time

Good for you! You are learning to think critically and make your decisions!

Welcome to DU!

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:33 PM

37. Welcome to DU, AaronMayorga! You did good!

Very excellent at writing your story, too..I was enthalled. YAY!

Student schools teacher..how often does that happen? Your teacher has been asking for this for quite awhile it seems but not many kids would be able to follow through so brilliantly!

Thank you!

There should be a law against teachers pushing propaganda.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:34 PM

38. I'm glad you are on our side!!!

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:51 PM

41. Now wait a second... I went to NYC schools through junior high

Yeah, they did suck.

Well done!

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:55 PM

42. Well done!

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:36 AM

43. "Nuns on the Bus" love Obamacare.

From their website:

Healthcare

Since our founding more than 40 years ago, NETWORK has advocated for accessible, affordable, quality, universal healthcare. We believe, on the basis of Catholic Social Teaching, that access for all to affordable, quality healthcare is a fundamental social good – i.e., something that benefits all of us – as well as a human right.
The passage and signing in March 2010 of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (healthcare reform) marked the first time in U.S. history that our government has committed to steps to ensure that people of all ages, including those with preexisting health concerns, have healthcare coverage. The new law does not have everything we wanted, but it is a historic step.

The new law promotes quality healthcare that is more accessible, affordable, universal and pro-life.

Specific changes in our healthcare system are occurring year-by-year as aspects of the new law come into effect.

Our support of the current law does not mean that we are completely satisfied, however. There are a number of steps we still need to take to improve our U.S. healthcare system. http://www.networklobby.org/issues/healthcare

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:37 AM

44. I used to do that to teachers over policy, history, government and economics

IT got to the point that when my hand went up, the teacher would shut up and move on quickly, knowing I would decimate anything the fool said.

Then I became a teacher of history/government/economics. Students try to challenge me, but facts are on my side and ideology and hubris is on theirs.

Good job, kid! You make this ACLU member history teacher proud! I would love you to be a student in my class.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:42 AM

45. Great job.

More need to do this.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:43 AM

46. "...the Joe Biden smile of death..."

Love it!

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Response to rationalcalgarian (Reply #46)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:49 AM

47. Yeah I like it too...

...I've actually been using it on DU like this:

Joe Biden

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #47)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:11 AM

67. Nah. I think this is more appropriate.

 

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Response to rationalcalgarian (Reply #46)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:59 AM

48. Yes, most

descriptive. I knew the exact picture the instant I read it.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:06 AM

49. You should be getting

high numbers in whatever passes for composition these days (if there is any writing classes). You know how to turn a phrase.

Sorry you can't vote this time around. Welcome to the crowd.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:28 AM

51. Why is taking a Health class stupid?

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:38 AM

52. Wouldn't it be nice if schools still taught civics?

It would be nice to see more high schooler's informed and curious about politics and the government. It would be really nice to never see Jay Leno go out and ask who the President or Vice President is and have people give him really dumb answers or stare at him open-mouthed, blinking.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:38 AM

53. Let me know when you run for office...

You'll have my vote.

Good Job.

You restore my faith in the future

Cheers!

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:20 AM

55. Way to speak truth to power! It's not easy to risk

a good grade by pointing out that your teacher is a willfully ignorant dufus.

Keep telling the truth as you know it, Aaron, and spread the word to your classmates and your elders.

It's your future and your planet that you're defending.

And welcome to DU. We need young people's enthusiasm and energy!

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:25 AM

56. Good Job Aaron

And very brave. I see a promising future for you.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:28 AM

57. great job this why they want to cut education an informed public rejects falsehoods. n\t

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:40 AM

58. Great job young man!!!!

Very proud of your ability to think on your feet and have the facts straight! That is not an easy task.

I agree with a poster above about researching the Nuns on the Bus positions for future use.

Keep your head up and continue to know the truth.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:55 AM

59. Well done.

Young people like yourself are the hope of the nation. You write very well and stick to your guns. Judging from the teachers mindset he will probably attempt to unjustly punish you for making him look as pathetic as he really is but keep your head up. People like him are weak and sad and their fear and ignorance is hurting the country. Especially as he attempts to spread it to teenagers.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:55 AM

60. Great going! Is this at Cardinal Spellman?

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #60)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:07 AM

66. He's not talking.

Maybe he shouldn't.

Sotomayor went there but she's probably not the alum of which the CHS system is most proud.

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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Reply #66)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 07:26 PM

123. Sotomayor also went to my grade school! Im very proud of her.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:57 AM

61. FACT: AARP is a massive insurance company. Here's their product page:

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:59 AM

62. "Nearly half of AARP's income is from kickbacks from insurance companies"

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:01 AM

63. Great job! I also attended a Catholic high school in NYC and had a few Republican teachers.

Only one was obnoxious about it. The two others (who I knew were Republicans) were actually two of my favorite teachers there.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:01 AM

64. Kids like you give me hope

for the future. Not afraid to speak up and refuse to be bullied by repukes.

Good for you!!

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:02 AM

65. Don't tell me......

Fordham Prep!

No?

Spellman!!

No?

Hayes !!!

No....


Mount!!!!!


I give up. I went to Stepinac. Back when Martha Washington was a babe and dinosaurs roamed the earth.


Then I taught in the public school system for... let's just say... a long time.

Nice job educating your RW teeech. CHSs have always had a RW bias.

There are actually some pretty good public HSs in the Bronx. But none in which you or the teacher would be able to have that kind of lively intellectual/political exchange. So I give the CHS system credit for that.

I'm in Riverdale now. Welcome to DU.


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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:17 AM

68. You know, AaronMayorga...

...I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship.



(watch 'Casablanca' if you haven't yet to get the reference)



As a former teacher who was writing anti-Bush and anti-Iraq-war books while still teaching, I felt it was my highest duty (beyond educating my students) to keep my own politics out of the classroom. Kids need to figure that stuff out on their own, and I did not want my students a) parroting my beliefs back at me to curry favor for a good grade, or b) afraid to express themselves for fear of getting a bad grade.

Cheers, and welcome to DU.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:23 AM

70. Good for you youngster!

Maybe you should teach the class.

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Response to Catherine Vincent (Reply #70)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:52 AM

74. He sounds much more mature than many 50 year olds i know

I don't understand why our world is so twisted in so many ways but it is. Things like Fox (non)news are kind of like more drugs for addicts. The brains of these fox addicts are too lazy to think so they just turn on the boob tube get the points on what they think they should think. It's a vicious little circle but thank goodness, looking at the numbers its looking like a critical mass has finally fallen off it.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:32 AM

73. Rock-on little bro!

Great job!

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:22 AM

75. Welcome to DU

And good job!

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:34 AM

77. Great job! Are you sure you can't make it to 18 before November 6th? Welcome aboard! n/t

 

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:34 AM

78. Welcome to DU Aaron.....

it's nice to see young people here, especially young people who are engaged with their future.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:54 AM

80. *stands and applauds you* nt

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:36 PM

82. Great job!

Armed with the facts you put him in his place.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:53 PM

83. Welcome to DU Aaron

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:00 PM

84. Honored to Meet You

and glad to know young people such as yourself, have the future in your hands. It makes me breathe a lot eaiser! Thank you!

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:02 PM

85. Choosing to speak truths is a far more difficult path



"The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it." ~George Orwell

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:09 PM

86. Thanks from a retired person that depends on Medicare.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:13 PM

87. You are quite the wonk for a 16 year old. Bravo. I suspect that was self directed learning

Welcome to our mad house.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:14 PM

88. My 5th grader has a teacher like this

Good for you, Aaron!!!!

At the Open House in September, the teacher said she posts a political cartoon every day and they discuss current events.

"I'll be making little Republicans out of all of your children!"

My daughter comes home with "Miss Wilson said...." every day and it usually involves Obama increased the debt, Obama lied, etc. etc.

She's really stuck who to believe because she's always been taught to respect teachers yet she hears us discussing politics all the time, so she usually just gets confused and doesn't want to hear the details.

I don't want her in the position of being ridiculed by the teacher, and most likely she's the only child from a Democratic family.

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Response to BlueGirlRedState (Reply #88)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:29 PM

94. we feel at home you need to alert children to the limits of adult authority

esp. considering all the molestation
but even for these political reasons/ sex /environment views oh whatever... not to disrespect them or disobey but have limits
see my post above re 6th grade 12yr old and what we have done from the get go!!

my own son said " I am too young to be hearing this stuff"!!!!

I agree and glad we all caught this early in the year
and no will not be fighting it through a kid like the teacher is!!!

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Response to BlueGirlRedState (Reply #88)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:26 PM

111. I would have been telling the teacher that is

she was incapable of presenting a balanced presentation of politics and what is going on in this country then she has no business even bringing up the subject. It is not the job of a teacher to try to brainwash a child into buying into the teacher's political nonsense. And then I would have been having a talk with the Superintendent of the School and the School Board.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:34 PM

89. Bravo, Aaron! So impressive!

Welcome to DU.

Your future looks bright!

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:47 PM

90. Now you know why the GOP wants to PRIVATIZE all schools!

So they can indoctrinate our youth 24/7 with their BS.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:48 PM

91. Your health teacher sounds about as brilliant as my health teacher back in 1979.

We were warned about premarital sex because it causes Gentile diseases. The class was doomed since there weren't any Jewish people at my high school.

Thanks for presenting the facts and I hope that the teacher doesn't retaliate against you. Welcome to DU!

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:14 PM

92. Welcome, Aaron.

You'll find that DU, the major discussion boards, will be great to you.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:17 PM

93. Very glad to have you here, Aaron.

Great job.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:42 PM

95. He also attempted to tell me and my friend that Fox News wasn't biased.

Did you ask him why it was that Fox News viewers were consistently uniformed and misinformed?

If I taught a class in Logic, I would have my students watch Fox News for an hour and count the Fallacies of Reference and all Logical Fallacies. You could fill a notebook! Even when reporting real events, they can present it in an illogical way.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:42 PM

96. WAy to Go Aaron!!

 

My daughter experiences the same thing from her Economics teacher here in UT (GO figure!) Every week she has to write a summary on something from current events,..... Last week she gave a presentation on Sensata,..........sort of busted the lie that Rob-mey was a job creator, which BTW the teacher was spouting to some of the students just a couple days before............I'm a proud Mom, ......... as I'm sure your parents are too. Keep up the excellent work!

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:43 PM

97. Hey Red Chief!

Welcome to DU! Red Chief is the smart as a whip boy kidnapped in an O. Henry story (The Ransom of Red Chief). Not only did you fact check him - sounds like he tried to hold your beautiful mind for ransom and decided to give it back due to these little things called 'Facts' and 'Reason'.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #97)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:45 PM

98. I remember reading that in 6th or 7th grade

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:50 PM

99. Some "teacher". /nt

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:56 PM

100. Good luck on maintaining that easy 95%. Methinks you just made it very hard on yourself. However,

congratuatulations on having the fortitude and integrity to stand up to your teacher's lack either of facts or integrity (whichever shoe fits).

My personal feelings are that partisan politics have no place in the class room. One can have discussions on poltical situations, but one must stick to the facts, and any personal opinions/feelings must be labeled as such.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:10 PM

102. Thank you Aaron! Well done!

And Welcome to DU!

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 04:37 PM

103. Hey Aaron I'm another young DUer, who graduated high school 3 years ago.

Wow, good on you for standing up to that Fox News host disguised as a teacher! I also took a health science class in HS. Except at least my teachers (I went to HS in the San Francisco area) were not as doo doo dumb as this teacher, and the one who WAS a Republican (this was for AP US Gov/Politics) was still a cool, knowledgeable guy respected by us students in a rather left leaning neighborhood.

I hope you continue to check out the rest of DU and learn more about politics!

in the meantime please subscribe to my youtube channel for various clips of progressive talk radio (including my favorite evening talk show Mike Malloy). Also some more resources:

- Democracy Now!: A daily hour-long independent news show covering the big political news and other stories, from an angle you won't see on ABC/CBS/NBC/CNN/the commercial media. You can hear it in NYC M-F at 8am on 99.5 WBAI or on youtube.com/democracynow for archives. It's such a great show I wake up at 5am in my part of the US just to hear the show live from the WBAI live stream.
- The Thom Hartmann Program: My favorite political talk radio show. Thom discusses the day's political news and even debates conservative advocates. M-F 3-6pm, in NYC on 1600 WWRL, also has a youtube channel, also streams online at livestream.com/thomhartmann or freespeech.org.
- The Young Turks: Daily online talk show hosted by Cenk Uygur, who provides a hard-hitting, funny, and in-depth take on politics (and some lighter subjects as well).
- The Norman Goldman Show: M-F 6pm-9pm (ET). Norman Goldman is a lawyer based in Los Angeles, and he provides a unique law-and-politics approach to his show. He also does "senior legal analyst" segments explaining the legalese behind what's going on. Listen live here, or if on a mobile phone select station 960 KNEW on the iHeartRadio app or Seattle's Progressive Talk on the TuneIn app.
- The Mike Malloy Show: M-F 9pm-midnight ET, live online streams (http://server2.whiterosesociety.org:8000/truthseeker) or here. Mike Malloy has a darker, angrier tone in his show, with 1960s/70s rock/psychedelic oldies as bumper music and Church Night Wednesdays with anti-religious rants. DU has a daily "truthseekers check in" thread at the General Discussion board at the top of the 9pm ET hour!
- Media Matters for America: The place to go to debunk the latest BS from Fox Boobs, Tush Limpballs, or Sean Insannity as well as how the "so called liberal media" like ABC and CBS aid/abet the right wing agenda.
- Addicting Info: Political news blog from a left wing perspective especially devoted to debunking right wing nonsense.
- Think Progress: A more serious version of Addicting Info, the blog of think tank Center for American Progress, also publishes many useful infographics even studies too.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 06:03 PM

105. At 16, you are smarter than 47% of american adults.

The polls prove it.

I'm a teacher, and I wish I could give you an A+! Bravo, Aaron!

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 06:06 PM

107. nothing like seeing a liar exposed

well done!

I wonder if your teacher was even smart enough to know he was lying in the first place.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 06:17 PM

108. Hee hee, life imitates art.

Your life is like a Chick tract

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 06:23 PM

109. I'm a high school English teacher: Bravo!!

I also used to teach in Catholic schools, so you get an extra hug from me.

You did just the right thing, and I find that really awesome. Great job!

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 06:54 PM

110. Welcome to DU Aaron.

Have fun here!

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:53 PM

112. Great job!

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:59 PM

115. "...Fox News wasn't biased."

This teacher is a tool. Unfortunately he has power over you. You will need to USE HIM like a tool.

It is what it is. Keep fighting the good fight!

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:48 PM

116. With young men like you our country will be in good standing. Keep up the good work.

 

Just because they keep repeating the lie doesn't make it true.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:08 PM

117. Well done, you. Take courage. Thank you.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:16 PM

118. You did great! I suspect you'll be quite

Good at any career you undertake. Thanks for the great post, and on behalf of my family that has already needed the new provisions of the ACA, thank you for defending it to this knucklehead.

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:18 PM

119. Welcome to DU Aaron!

I went to Catholic schools back in the 60's and that is where I learned about social justice, sounds like the schools have changed a bit since I was young. Stay strong and keep up the good fight!

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Response to AaronMayorga (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 10:39 AM

121. So...the OP didn't really "Fact Check" anybody; AARP is a huge insurance company. nt

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