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Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:13 AM

Romney Was Afraid of Something Last Night

It wasn't so much his policy shifts, which pretty much left him endorsing Obama's foreign policy agenda - though there certainly was that too. It was the personality transplant that Romney underwent before the last debate. Gone was Romney the assertive dominating bully who stalked the first two debates, replaced for the season finale by "nice guy" Mitt instead. Nice guy Mitt made sure to give the President ample credit for a plethora of correct strategic moves, but even more striking, nice guy Mitt was dutifully respectful to the debates' moderator. This Mitt Romney left his bulldozer parked at home.

At no point was that more striking than when Romney checked his bullying instincts in the face of a gentle Bob Schieffer reprimand. After momentarily reverting to aggressive form by demanding a chance to respond to what he characterized as a long list of Obama's objectionable assertions, Romney meekly folded his cards when Schieffer noted that he too had previously rattled off a similar litany of charges against the President, to which Romney conceded that the moderator had a point. This wasn't the same Romney who nearly engaged in hand to hand combat with Candy Crowley. Something was clearly amiss. Once again, the chameleon’s skin has turned.

Over the last few years, Mitt Romney has become the archetype of the political chameleon, morphing how he displays himself to blend into a changing political landscape. But rarely has he changed colors as quickly and dramatically as he did in front of America last night. Less anyone forget for a moment, Mitt Romney is after all a card carrying Republican, and Republican’s always go on the offensive against Democrats in whatever area they perceive the Democrat to be strongest. Both Romney and Ryan have tried that this year in areas of traditional Democratic strength like Medicare and Social Security. Confronted with a Democratic President who actually got Bin Ladin, Mitt Romney had consistently played true to form, attacking hard from the Right; that is until last night.

Last night Mitt Romney embraced humanity and earnestly promised to give peace a chance. That line change was clearly manifest on the policy front, but it was even more starkly evident in Mitt Romney’s new pleasantly compliant persona. So what exactly was going on during this last Presidential debate? Well, in politics there is always more than one theory. Some would argue that the electorate was simply were given another dose of “Moderate Mitt”, the proverbial and much anticipated move toward the center that Romney came perilously close to never getting around to this year. That fails to pass the smell test however.

Republicans have traditionally been viewed as suspect by much of the middle class when it comes to economic allegiances. A move toward the center on economics is understandable, and sure enough, belatedly, they made one there. National Security is a different matter. Republicans long reveled in being the “Daddy” Party in America. Their ace card repeatedly is to make Democrats seem week. Last night Mitt Romney made President Obama look strong Democrats can make a damn good campaign ad if they want to out of snippets of Romney praising the President’s foreign policy

It could also be argued that Mitt Romney was trying for a repeat of his “throw the President off stride” strategy used in the first debate, when he unexpectedly denied supporting almost everything he had vehemently supported over the last few years. In a word to that one; Nah. Barack Obama is a smart man. His debate prep team is not made up of slouches. Whether or not Romney chose the debate stance most expected, he no longer had recourse to an element of surprise. Obama was not caught off guard, nor could Romney have expected him to be. Changing one’s positions on the cusp of a national election comes with a real set of risks. Romney would not attempt it simply on the off chance to throwing Obama off.

The most plausible theory offered in any way favorable to Mitt Romney goes something along these lines. Mitt Romney was playing prevent defense, trying to avoid any mistakes that would blunt his supposed electoral momentum that has him on an alleged trajectory to win. Americans it appears are overall comfortable with the Obama foreign policy, so if Mitt Romney is comfortable with that too, well then Americans should be comfortable with Romney also. No scary new world order to worry about from Romney, just Barack Obama’s policies without Barack Obama.

If Mitt Romney had a clear and easy path to an Electoral College majority, perhaps a prevent defense strategy could be tempting, but the lay of the land doesn’t bear that scenario out. At best it can be argued that there is a path possible to 270 votes for Romney but there is nothing clear and easy about it. There is no way it can be argued that Mitt Romney is attempting to sit on a “safe” lead. Projecting mildness is not a winning strategy for unseating a personally popular President.

I think the real answer lies in the nature of real chameleons. They don’t change colors because they are frustrated art majors; they change colors to protect themselves from danger. When a political campaign senses trouble there is usually some shake up at the top. In this case the shake up was in Mitt Romney himself. The sudden emergence of “Nice guy Mitt”, and make no mistake it has been sudden, indicates a problem, some type of political threat. I don’t have access to the Romney team’s focus groups, or to their own internal polling, but I suspect there is something going on there that made them change their stripes.

Mitt Romney was down right passive during the final Presidential debate, and we all saw what that did for Barack Obama during the first one. Why play that roll now, especially on foreign policy, where so much emphasis is routinely placed on the ability to face down real or potential adversaries? My guess is that Mitt Romney’s negatives were rearing their ugly heads. My guess is a lot of voters feel leery about electing a bully to be President, especially one who represents a party that shouts loudly and carries a big gun, with a long standing inclination for starting new Middle East wars.

During the second Presidential debate Americans saw Mitt Romney try to run over Candy Crowley. This time he backed down and let Bob Schieffer scold him. The chameleon changed again. That’s because he had something to fear.

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Arugula Latte Oct 2012 #71
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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:14 AM

1. He's afraid that he's spent a shitload of his own money on an election he's going to lose

 

No big mystery.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:22 PM

29. I have read nothing about him putting his own money in for this campaign

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #29)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:30 PM

31. Why are you defending Mitt Romney?

 



Apparently you are correct.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:06 PM

52. He didn't spend any of his own money.

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Response to George II (Reply #52)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:37 PM

71. He's only a billionaire, so he doesn't have much to spare, poor man.

Rafalka's not cheap, ya know!

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #71)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:50 AM

128. he's a multi-millionaire, not billionaire

although he would like to change that with a very advantageous new tax policy.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #128)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:41 AM

131. There has been a lot of speculation that he is actually a billionaire.

Harry Reid said he is worth a lot more than that paltry $250 million. That dude has mountains of cash stashed all over this planet.

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #131)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 04:43 PM

133. Sometimes Harry is just being silly. It's pretty rough to hide $750 million from the prying

eyes of Forbes and Fortune...

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 04:55 AM

124. I think his handlers told him to stop acting like a petulant little child, stop acting like a ass

 

hole, and have some respect for the moderator and the President. Romney is use to getting the last word in, and is used to having a lot of yes people around him.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:15 AM

2. Bain Capital. Don't know why Obama did not bring it up. He had a perfect opportunity to do it.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #2)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:19 AM

4. I was hoping that President Obama would have brought up Sensata on the topic of China.

It would have froze Romney in his chair. Oh why didn't he mention it?

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Response to BelleCarolinaPeridot (Reply #4)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:23 AM

9. me too.

i keep telling DH- please say sensata. please say sensata. please say bainport. please please.
but it just shows that obama knew he didn't need to.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #9)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:07 AM

125. Well I guess that President Obama felt he slammed Romney enough with

 

the horses and bayonets comment. O, and planes landing on really big Boats..

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Response to BelleCarolinaPeridot (Reply #4)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:24 AM

10. I expect Rmoney was well prepared with a bullshit response for it

and when it didn't come right away, he was probably stressing out the rest of the debate waiting for that shoe to drop.... just like how the 47% shoe dropped at the last debate and he didn't get chance to spin another lie in retort.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #10)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:31 PM

70. My take too. Obama did not give him the opportunity to respond to it. I imagine Romney had a very

good and very reasonable response and he was denied the chance to sound reasonable.

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Response to BelleCarolinaPeridot (Reply #4)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 04:55 PM

108. Don't you sometimes get

 

the feeling that we're just watching Kabuki Theater? Each of them has played the part for each Debate.

I don't know. It's just odd that Obama was so unengaged in #1. Both fought each other in #2. And RobMe has to be the unengaged, sweaty one in #3.

TPTB control the MSM. And maybe the MSM wants more $$$$ in these last 2 weeks.

I don't know. Something just seems odd.

But I gotta say, I loved that horse and bayonet line.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:18 AM

3. I have come to believe that Mittens

has some mental disease or does drugs. Bipolar comes to mind.

Perhaps he was off (or on) his meds yesterday.

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #3)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:34 AM

15. He didn't look just ill-at-ease

last night, he actually looked a bit ill. He was visibly nervous, his mouth was dry, he swallowed a lot, and he was sweating quite a bit. Later he was bending over to shake the hands of people in the audience and Ann looked like she was pulling him back like he was a child. It was very odd and unsettling, like there WAS something wrong with him.

I'm beginning to come to the same conclusion you have, that the man has a mental condition.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #15)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:31 PM

32. Wonder if Mormons are allowed to take psych drugs

could be one of those, Xanax at a minimum

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #32)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:11 PM

54. Yeah maybe

something for anxiety or nerves. That certainly isn't uncommon and I wouldn't fault someone doing so under those circumstances. OR maybe the problem was he didn't take anything for his nerves.

Meanwhile, he may just have the flu or some bug.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #54)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:18 AM

126. I think it hit Romney like a brick.. as to how unprepared he is for the job of POTUS, on every level

 

He reminds me so much of a Sarah Palin type. Blow heart. Not ready for prime time.

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Response to crunch60 (Reply #126)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:11 AM

129. His relentless, driving ambition

is out of sync with his abilities and I think you're right, he is somewhat aware of that and it is really scary. His whole life has been about success, but he is ill equipped to handle any kind of failure.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #129)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 10:48 PM

135. He has been raised to believe he is the answer to the Mormon prophecy regarding the presidency.

And suddenly he is getting beat. That would shake anyone's core beliefs.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #135)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 12:33 AM

137. Meanwhile he is living in that bubble

with Ann and his sons telling him how great he is. Then he goes out into the real world and reality hits him like a blast of Arctic air.

I honestly think that he thought he could run a country the way he ran a business.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #32)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 02:21 PM

90. Here in Utah the joke is all Mormon women are on Prozac.

they even admit it. Men of all religions tend to not admit they take any medication for "mental' problems but I've heard that more people in Utah are on anti-depressants than anywhere else in the US.

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Response to Hamlette (Reply #90)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 02:37 PM

98. The men probably borrow their wives Prozac

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #32)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 04:38 PM

107. Pretty much all psych drugs cause dry mouth

and he was constantly licking his lips and making other nervous "busy mouth" movements.

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Response to TexasBushwhacker (Reply #107)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 06:08 PM

113. And I don't recall seeing

him behave like that before. I'm thinking it was some kind of medication, but it could be for any number of reasons.

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Response to TexasBushwhacker (Reply #107)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:50 AM

118. LOL! Remember Bush and his crack jaw movements during the debate?

I'll never forget that. I lived in an area that had a bunch of crack addicts wandering around the streets. Bush looked JUST like them! I will always wonder why someone from the left in mainstream media never brought that up, it was so obvious. Then, I remember, we don't have a left in the mainstream media.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #15)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:54 PM

45. A republican candidate for president who has a mental condition...

 

Nope never heard of that happening...

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Response to Hemp_is_good (Reply #45)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:08 PM

53. Like in

"being a republican presidential candidate IS a mental condition"???

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #15)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:12 PM

55. Ann was actually

holding him around the waist when he was bending down to shake hands with the audience. Back problem?

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Response to Mme. Defarge (Reply #55)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:28 PM

68. I just commented on a post suggesting the same thing

If he'd thrown out his back before the debate, that might explain why he looked like he was in pain during the debate. Ann was probably just being protective, but it looked rather odd at the time.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #68)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 02:08 PM

84. I noticed that, too!

It was a very odd moment. As much as I want to think that he was uncomfortable getting is butt whooped, it is quite possible that he was not well.

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Response to 2Legit (Reply #84)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 02:12 PM

87. Maybe a little bit of both

I didn't really expect Romney to do well in this debate being it was on foreign affairs, but I think his discomfort was more than just being unqualified (though that was more than enough).

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #15)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 02:28 PM

93. sounds like food poisoning

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Response to SleeplessinSoCal (Reply #93)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 02:34 PM

96. Or a reaction to a medication

I've taken medication that affected me in similar ways, well except I still tell the truth.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #15)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 05:42 PM

111. The picture of Mrs. Mitt-Ann with her arms wrapped around his waist from behind was just plain

disturbing and needs an explanation -what was going on?

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Response to sad sally (Reply #111)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 04:24 AM

122. She was unzipping him

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Response to sad sally (Reply #111)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:36 AM

130. That picture is even more disturbing

than the way it was shown on TV. He really looks like an android there. Do these people really have no idea how they appear in public?

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:19 AM

5. He tried to play it "safe" like Obama did in the first debate

I'm sure Romney believes he is going to win and those surrounding him are probably strongly reinforcing that idea to keep him upbeat and vigorous over the last 2 weeks of the campaign. So he didn't want to upset the applecart by risking saying anything controversial. He got bad advice, much like Obama got bad advice before the first debate and for the same reasons.

The difference is that Obama learned by his mistake and though he was right there to see it and greatly benefitted by it, Romney apparently learned nothing from it. The fact that he was sweating like a pig and looking nervous throughout the last debate is perhaps a sign that he realized much too late that is was the wrong strategy.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:20 AM

6. He is afraid of losing the womens' vote

Obama leads among women by 15%. Without winning them, he doesn't have a snowball's chance.

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Response to ginnyinWI (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:23 AM

8. excellent point, but I also think he was playing it "safe" as stated above (nt)

nt

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:20 AM

7. He's trying to court the women again

but it's too damn late. Not when you have a fellow rethug running as a Senate candidate essentially calling the incumbent female Senator a "b****" and his running mate is pushing for full property control over a woman's body.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:14 PM

57. +1 trying to come across as not the war monger he really is...reassure women, mods, indies

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:25 AM

11. I think he was buying the bogus polls that he had the women's votes.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:25 AM

12. He was trying to negate the image he created for himself at VMI the other week.

That speech was aimed right at the NeoCons and the MIC. All very hawklike. This venue, he wanted to look more like the Man of Peace, or some such BS as that.

Chameleon, indeed.

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Response to stubtoe (Reply #12)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 02:15 PM

88. Bingo! It wasn't fear we were seeing.

It was an attempt to not only negate the image he created in that speech, but also the image he created in the two previous debates, where he came off as a rude bully.

It was also an attempt to throw off the President. A few days ago, the GOP announced that they were going to "unleash" Willard. And, given his behavior in the previous debates, it was reasonable to expect "Asshole Mitt" to show up again. What better way to confuse President Obama than show up as "Moderate Mitt"? Except that the President was ready for it.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:25 AM

13. Contrary to what many believe, I actually believe Mitt Romney is an intelligent man

 

He's been reading the intelligence briefings and he's been listening to his foreign policy advisors.

Quite frankly, I think he's seen something in those briefings that absolutely TERRIFIED him when he thought about it in the context of what people like Bolton have been advising him.

Thus, he endorsed the Obama approach to diplomacy last night.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #13)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:34 AM

14. But it wasn't just a policy change

It was, as I said above, also a personality transplant. That is the aspect that doesn't fit your answer. It was not just a last second conversion to sane policies.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #13)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:37 AM

17. He is not drool on yourself stupid but he lacks perception and empathy

He is not think on your feet smart and relied heavily on rehearsed lines last night. Was shakey and repeated himself 3 times.

He paid no tax at all for 10 years -- that takes some brains.

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Response to KurtNYC (Reply #17)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:58 PM

46. He said "tumult" at least 3 times re:the Middle East. He seemed confused.

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Response to KurtNYC (Reply #17)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:02 PM

49. He lacks Empathy and compassion... I don't think he's inperceptive however

 

what bane does is flat out evil and destructive to the economy.
however you can't help but admit, on a purely greed level, it's brilliant.
he and his very clearly perceived a opportunity to make a honking mega shitload of money.

also don't forget he's a mormon LDS bishop. he's not used to being wrong.
well... being TOLD he's wrong anyway.

I agree however that something he saw in recent briefings must have shaken him to his core... that or a bit of bad beef.

god I cant tell you how much I hope he looses, and the republicans in general, by a metric fucking landslide.

the idea of him and them in power scares the living shit out of me.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #13)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:37 AM

19. if that be the case, it should terrify him. Bolton and the other NeoCon vipers just waiting for....

...their opportunity to slither back in to DC power circles. They are still actively operating under their oh-so-faulty PNAC "New Rome" pardigm.

One has only to look back at the NeoCon's track record: hideously WRONG on every count. There is NO DOUBT the world would be a far more deadly and dangerous place with the NeoCons back in power. If Romey is a smart man, he could not help but see this.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #13)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:37 AM

20. Or, perhaps he understands that people will connect the time line dots and see that

Willard knew we had Americans dead when he chose to politicize that moment because he is getting the briefings. He knew Stevens was dead, and he went on ahead and exploited his death for cheap and inaccurate political shots. This was a seriously disgusting action on Willard's part.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #13)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:40 AM

23. You mean you are not willing to cross into crass partisanship?

I agree with you. You do not get where Willard has by being dumb. Granted, what he has done with it I have issues with... but he is not dumb.



And there is nothing more dangerous than underestimating an intelligent man.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #23)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:38 PM

35. In geography, not so much.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #35)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:49 PM

44. Since most Americans cannot locate the US on a map

that does not shock me or surprise me...

And I must say, given one of my hubby's bosses demanded the coastal charts of Afghanistan after 911, on board a US Nuclear Sub, we think we found his missing relative.

So, after we came home from a missing kid story that ended well (and this place was not on Irish wake mode), we had a good long chuckle over that one.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #23)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 02:31 PM

94. You don't necessarily get there by being SMART, either

You get there by having an inherited fortune and the "old boy" network that comes with that.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #13)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:23 PM

59. Hmmmm

Bet you are correct. I think so, too.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:36 AM

16. Political plus intelligence briefings

As many have asserted, Romney was trying not to lose women and others by appearing too warlike. But in a couple of areas, I think the intelligence briefings have scared him. I am sure he now knows that there was no consulate in Benghazi, only CIA operations. He probably knows a lot more about Syria. And certainly, he knows a lot more about Iran and Israel. There were some places he would not go last night.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:37 AM

18. Agree

maybe something he wanted to hide from? (Sensata?)

Maybe worried about losing some female vote? The ones who don't like bullies...

Maybe fearing being painted as the next Dubya when people know we have been so badly damaged by those wars, in so many ways?

But yeah, fearful.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:38 AM

21. Maybe someone has the tax returns?

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:39 AM

22. That was thoughtful and a couple cuts above

the usual DU posting. Not that I don't like all the DU posting.

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Response to The Second Stone (Reply #22)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:40 PM

37. "the usual DU posting"---I DARE you to start a thread with this asinine and condescending title.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #37)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:38 PM

72. The usual DU posting is nowhere near as thoughtful or worked out as Tom Rinaldo's OP. nt

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:41 AM

24. He lost the second debate and then the last one was on Obama's strongest area.

Romney got to rep and defend the guy who let OBL live "4 more years." Romney had little hope of winning last night; he was just trying to survive.

I'm so glad that Obama tied Romney's ideas back to Bush and Cheney!

And Romney's number of ships thing was a perfectly lame example of how little he knows about military strategy. It was the ultimate "throw money" at the (non-)problem idea.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:41 AM

25. Well written piece!

Damn, I wish I could write like that. Thank you.

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Response to ProudProgressiveNow (Reply #25)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:29 PM

69. I was going.to say so too

It reads very nicely. Doesn't it?

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Response to libodem (Reply #69)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 02:09 PM

85. I concur.

Wonderful well-written and thoughtful post.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:43 AM

26. He couldn't compete on foreign policy

so he used this debate to secure the women's vote - the swing states (the let there be peace on earth thing and I'm not going to get into a war), to secure the Jewish vote - Florida (the many references to Israel), to secure Virginia (the we need more ships shtick) and to secure Ohio (lying about the auto bail out). He was looking to close the undecideds in those states knowing that those tuning in won't bother to fact check and will take him at his lying words in the debate.

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Response to sunnystarr (Reply #26)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:52 AM

28. Yes, I think so

But it is telling that he had to devote this debate to doing that. To do so he had to hand the night to Obama, as all the polls are showing. This was not done from a sense of assurance, he took on that roll at a real cost to him.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #28)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 09:33 PM

134. That's because it was going to cost him anyway

There was no way he could win that debate and he and his campaign knew it.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:49 AM

27. A Salesman Trying To Close The Sale...

He'll say whatever he has to...be whatever you want him to be. That's been Willard's game all along. When it was the clown car demolition derby known as the rushpublican primaries, Willard tried to out wingnut the wingnuts. Make the sale! And when you can't co-opt someone's message and make people think its your own then muddy the waters so that the opponent is so inundated with lies that no one can tell what is true and what is yet another lie. Smother them in bullshit. Make the sale!

Sadly there are enough "low information" voters who can be swayed by the shallow rhetoric that it's making this election "competitive". It's also a part of the overall rushpublican voter suppression campaign this year by alienating as many voters as possible...raise the apathy...make people rather stay at home rather than vote. It's all part of closing the sale!

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Response to KharmaTrain (Reply #27)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:34 PM

33. You've nailed it. And apparently and chattering class - including Dems - bought it.

THEY're calling it a "draw". Won't move the needle. Mitt crossed the bar.

WTF???

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Response to chimpymustgo (Reply #33)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:42 PM

40. A Lot Of Money Flying Around Right Now...

What we're not hearing about is all the CU money that is going into astroturfing and voter suppression efforts. Close races not only mean ratings but also big $$$ for cable corporates such as Comcast (MSNBC) and Time-Warner (CNN). The spigots have been turned on full blast...and this has to be altering the polls if not the "perceptions" of the corporate media. As we've seen with Grantcart's excellent investigation of Gravis the polling game this year is one that's as much for sale as it is for keeping track of what's really going on.

Cheers...

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Response to KharmaTrain (Reply #27)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 05:33 PM

110. Salesmanship and playing it safe

I think he knows what a gaffer he is, and he didn't want to embarrass himself any more. He also knows he doesn't have the foreign policy chops, and doesn't even care.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:29 PM

30. Nikki Haley.

 


That's their pick for 2016. My best guess given her qualifications.

The nation won't be ready for full-blown right-wing fascism during the next four years, and there's a chance a Dem could unseat Mitt when the time is just getting ripe.

We need a few years of food shortages, high energy prices, and stoking the flames of hatred and fear with the 'scary black man' in office. One more economic bubble-burst wouldn't hurt either.
Why else was the corporate media given permission to cut into Mitt?

I'd love to be wrong, but we're on a path the .01% have to keep us on so they can survive.

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Response to The Doctor. (Reply #30)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:44 PM

41. Jeb.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #41)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:01 PM

48. Jeb and Paul Ryan will be fighting it out for 2016

Hillary would handle either of them with relative ease.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #48)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:24 PM

61. She WILL give the victor there a much-deserved beat-down!

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #41)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 02:03 PM

81. Jeb doesn't want it.

Otherwise he'd be highly visible during 2012.

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Response to The Doctor. (Reply #30)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:14 PM

56. I think he was sick.

They were hinting pre-debate about someone having a tummy upset. Maybe he just had the runs & was trying to hold it in. Geesh, that thought is making me giggle. Maybe that's why he was mincing his steps on the way off the stage last night.

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Response to crazylikafox (Reply #56)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 02:12 PM

86. He always minces his steps.

A subject a friend and I giggle about frequently. Someone said it looks like he's wearing a girdle from the way he walks. It's decidedly odd and quite distinctive.

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Response to The Doctor. (Reply #30)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:46 PM

76. No opinion on Haley chances; Rest of your post is nonsense that's a mirror image of Freeper threads:

... only the polarities are reversed.

There are so many assumptions wrong there and the conclusions are driven by ideology without much reference to context or facts.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #76)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 02:47 PM

99. Hehehe.... is that right?

 


You're right, of course.

There hasn't been an ever-increasing gap between the rich and the poor and the diminishing of the middle class. The media hasn't been polarizing the American people against each-other. We certainly aren't staring down the barrel of climate change induced food shortages. Energy prices are most likely to come down what with all the green energy legislation Republicans and Democrats are putting bi-partisan support behind. We're of course doing a great job at keeping greedy corporations and elites from getting their hands on public resources and driving the costs up. We're not having any problems keeping religious fundamentalists out of policy making decisions...

All in all, everything is going great and none of those historic precursors to fascism are happening at all.



No sane, rational person can deny that Republicans are VERY Pro-Fascist. Why you might deny that only has me puzzled. The difference between the right's fantasies of liberal fascism and the observable and demonstrable fascist tendencies of the right is night to day.

If you haven't been paying attention, I'll fill you in on a little chunk of reality: Everytime the Republicans get into power, they move us closer to fascism. Everytime the Democrats get into power, they don't move us away.

Denial of that would only make a fact of your obliviousness and ignorance.... or insanity.

The Republicans want a fascist society where corporations get pretty much what they want, and they have all the corporate backing they need. The ONLY way for that to happen is to get to a point where civil rights are eradicated. There is NO avoiding this because of the shortsighted quarterly for-profit model of those very corporations.

I'm afraid it would require your obtaining an education in history, economics, and social philosophy for you to put the blatantly obvious evidence together and understand what is happening.


Do you really deny that Republicans, corporations, and their sycophant foot-soldiers want to bring a fascist theocracy to the US?

If so, then there's no getting through such thick ignorance.

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Response to The Doctor. (Reply #99)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 03:05 PM

102. Your first paragraph is spot on, and then you go off the rails.

There hasn't been an ever-increasing gap between the rich and the poor and the diminishing of the middle class. The media hasn't been polarizing the American people against each-other. We certainly aren't staring down the barrel of climate change induced food shortages. Energy prices are most likely to come down what with all the green energy legislation Republicans and Democrats are putting bi-partisan support behind. We're of course doing a great job at keeping greedy corporations and elites from getting their hands on public resources and driving the costs up. We're not having any problems keeping religious fundamentalists out of policy making decisions...


Too true (taking the sarcasm as sarcasm). There is an ever-increasing gap between rich and poor, and it is a serious societal problem. Media have been polarizing the people, for the media's own profit to sell subscriptions and advertising. Climate change is having an effect on food prices and availability. And so on ....

And yes, Republicans do want to help corporations at the expense of the poor and lower middle class.

However, yes, I do deny that the Republicans and corporations want to bring a fascist theocracy to the US. It would be very bad for business compared to the current state of affairs where they can sell sex and booze and video games and porn at high profit.

Careful who you call "ignorant". Try reading the DU Community Standards.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #102)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 03:20 PM

103. I didn't call you ignorant.

 


I said that if you deny that Republicans are moving toward fascism, then you are ignorant.

So knowing that the corporate-owned media is turning the people against each-other, knowing that we're looking at food shortages, knowing that energy prices are going to go up, knowing that religious fundamentalists are trying to institute a theocracy with the help of the Republicans who sing their tune and the backing of corporations, knowing that we are approaching unsustainability and NO ONE in power is doing anything to stop it, knowing that the wingnuts are just itching to throw liberals and atheists and anyone not like them into prison camps (or to just execute them), knowing that there is an ongoing assault on both basic and higher education by Republicans, and knowing that corporations are gaining ever more control of our government which is a MAJOR precursor to a fascist takeover (and all of those are JUST the tip of the iceberg), you STILL can't see us headed down the road to fascism?

'Ignorant' probably would descibe you. Your mistake is thinking that 'ignorant' is an insult. 'Ignorant' does not mean 'stupid'. Perhaps if you find 4 out of 6 jurors who are ignorant of the meaning of the word, you can succeed in getting my post hidden. But yes, you are apparently ignorant of the history of economics and social philosophy that results in fascism.

We're seeing it happen here. It's no longer a matter of 'whether', but of 'when' and 'how'.

Do you really deny that the corporate and fundamentalist supported Republican Party isn't trying to move us in that direction?

Because if you can deny that, then you are indeed ignorant.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #102)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 03:22 PM

104. Oh, and I'd love for you to explain just how THIS is 'off the rails:

 


"No sane, rational person can deny that Republicans are VERY Pro-Fascist. Why you might deny that only has me puzzled. The difference between the right's fantasies of liberal fascism and the observable and demonstrable fascist tendencies of the right is night to day.

If you haven't been paying attention, I'll fill you in on a little chunk of reality: Everytime the Republicans get into power, they move us closer to fascism. Everytime the Democrats get into power, they don't move us away."

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Response to The Doctor. (Reply #104)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 04:19 PM

106. The problem here is the GOP as a force is dead

What you're saying about their 'ideology' is true, it's just they've become a small band of misfits trying to reinvigorate a dead party. No one is paying attention.


Everytime the Republicans get into power, they move us closer to fascism. Everytime the Democrats get into power, they don't move us away.


Is this your quote?

Nicely stated

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #106)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 05:11 PM

109. I really do hope you're right.

 


The problem with your take on it is that you're not counting the massive support that they have from corporations, the corporate media, and millions of wingnuts, fundies, and outright morons.

They may not be a force unto them selves, but they sure have force behind them. If Dems don't get super-majorities in both houses next month, then I'd call that evidence that the GOP is far from 'dead'.

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Response to The Doctor. (Reply #109)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 04:45 AM

123. Your thesis and logic is

exactly correct, IMO.

I've been saying the same for years, to no avail.

PC

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Response to The Doctor. (Reply #30)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:49 PM

78. I would not bet on that.

Too many skeletons in Haley's closet. She is even more corrupt than her predecessor, and even members of her own party know it. REPUBLICANS in the state legislature have been levying ethics charges against her from Day One. With all the shit she has been pulling since she got into office, most South Carolinians can't stand her, and consider her an embarrassment to the state, worse than Sanford.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #78)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 02:51 PM

100. Good to know.

 


I know that Republican voters don't give a damn about ethics. Those are just another 'obstacle' to their 'side' getting what they want. So I wouldn't put too much stock into her past disqualifying her.

I'm pretty sure they're looking for an intelligent, charismatic woman they can run in 2016. The more corrupt, the better. It will be easier to bring fascism in under an entirely amoral and unethical woman.

Any ideas on who else they might use?

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:37 PM

34. OK, so THAT'S what it was

I'm somewhat on the autistic spectrum and I have trouble with facial expressions. Last debate I was fine 'cause Rmoney was clearly angry the entire time and that's easy to read. This time, he was blinking a lot, but I've been under TV lighting and yeah, you're going to blink a lot. But he had some other facial expression that he used almost the entire time, then a broke out in flop-sweat but Obama wasn't sweating and any TV set I've been on, they keep it ridiculously cold so you don't start sweating and streak your makeup. Now that you mention it, Rmoney was terrified of something - likely "please God don't let me fuck up", which he promptly did.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:39 PM

36. Except for the two times he knifed through the President's attempts to respond to his running

commentary by snapping "I'm still speaking!".

His incessant blathering became almost intolerable near the end. It was such a relief every time Romney finished or was cut off. Jesus, he sounded like a barrel of steel washers being emptied out on a tin roof!

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Response to Aldo Leopold (Reply #36)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:50 AM

119. Oh he did, did he? I didn't see the debate

just bits and pieces and reading about it. Sooo, mitt still couldn't help himself from being an asshole when he was supposedly on his best behavior. What does Pres Obama do when mitt acts out like that?

Thanks, Aldo Leopold

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:42 PM

38. I disagree, unless you argue that he's now afraid of his BO$$E$. Romney, IMO, has come to see Obama

AS THE BETTER-QUALIFIED MAN.

He gazed at Obama like a star-struck fan last night.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:42 PM

39. What if Rmoney already knows that he has an Electoral College victory...

due to black-box voting and results getting turned in his favor.

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Response to madinmaryland (Reply #39)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:23 PM

58. Even if that worries you, it is too soon for him to count on that

Two final two weeks of a Presidential campaign can be like the final two minutes of an NBA game. Way too much can still happen. An election can't be plausibly stolen when the tide is running out on you. A weak debate performance on national security is a risky gambit to employ if there isn't a real problem to fix.

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Response to madinmaryland (Reply #39)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:24 PM

63. Or if he knows he's about to down in flames?

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Response to madinmaryland (Reply #39)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:47 PM

77. yep

would not surprise me. Stranger things have happened in american election THEFTS!!!!!!!!

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:46 PM

42. I'm telling you, he's got daddy issues.... and he backed down to Schieffer, not out of respect...


... but because 'daddy said knock it off' and he obliged. The same way he reacts to all his military daddy figures in his campaign behind the scenes, who tell him what to do and how to think... and who would join him at the White House to carve out the budget, and the wars, and the globe the way that benefits them the most.

It is no accident he picked a boy as his running mate. Anyone older would be a threat.

Yep, he's got daddy issues. But lucky for us, we aren't going to find out what Daddy Rove and Daddy Military Hawk and Daddy Deregulation would do with him in the White House, because his damaged goods psyche is finally catching up with his tongue.

Sucks to be you Mitt.

Sucks to be you.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:47 PM

43. I think he was hurt and humbled by The Salt Lake City Trib's endorsement of Obama.

His demeanor wasn't just decided by committee. Although the feedback he got after the second debate had given him and his team pause, I think that to not have the endorsement of one of LDS's major papers hurt because it indicated that a sizable number of adherents to his religion's don't trust him. Their view of him really does matter deeply to him.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:58 PM

47. I thought he looked like he'd been given a mild tranquilizer.

Maybe Ann, worried about his mental well being, slipped something into his Dr. Pepper.

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Response to proReality (Reply #47)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:26 PM

65. Dr Pepper is caffeinated. n/t

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:03 PM

50. He received his first-ever total beat-down last week

He wanted to avoid that pain again.

See: It would be incorrect to say Obama won tonight

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #50)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:24 PM

62. Not first ever

Teddy got him good.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #62)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:45 PM

75. Teddy was a fellow 1%er and daddy figure. This time the beat down was by

a younger, stronger.....aaaaack!!!!!!! HOUSE SERVANT! A DARKIE house servant, to boot.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:05 PM

51. When Romney Went On An Extended Talk

About economic issues here at home Schieffer called out Romney and pleaded he stick to foreign policy issues Romney simply went on an extended talk about education. At that point I thought Schieffer lost control of the debate. To me, ignoring is a form of bullying.

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #51)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:54 AM

120. Yeah, it is. Thanks for pointing that out, DallasNE nm

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:23 PM

60. Perhaps he was drunk or suffering dementia. ;-)

(what the folks at Fox said about Biden after he shredded Ryan)

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:25 PM

64. . n/t

 

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:26 PM

66. Just like I'd be afraid to get in the ring with Ali ...

He knew another beat-down was coming!





Bake

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:27 PM

67. I think a lot of it was because he was seated at a table with the others

..and couldn't move around and posture when being an asshole to them.

In other words.. he doesn't have the balls to back up his crap with someone right in his face.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:41 PM

73. Seems to me that there were several things going on with Romney at the debate----


First, I think he was seriously out of his league and it was showing. Haven't you ever been in a situation where you knew you were over your head? Mitt had memorized a set of facts, figures, names and places enough that he could fake it and still "appear" informed, at least to those who are not very informed themselves. He was walking a very thin line that would expose him if he deviated even a little bit. So he played it very safe last night.

Second, Mitt has made more changes to his persona and I think he was having more issues than Eve ...as in the Three Faces of Eve character. How can he possibly keep it straight who he is? He must be confused and at times disheartened to have to take the positions he has clearly been instructed to do. I have often wondered what on earth his supporters believe they know about him. Since he has taken so many positions on every issue imaginable, I think is testimony to the common assumption that the Republican base simply hates Obama more than they love Romney and will vote for Romney just to get rid of the current guy in the White House.

In any case, it was a tall order for Romney to manage all his issues and still come across as Presidential. And that explains the sweating, the licking of his lips, the panicky, worried look on his face and all the other behaviors noted here and other places. He has been spinning these plates for a long time and we're down to the last two weeks. Can he maintain it until Nov. 6th? Guess we'll have to wait it out and see.

Obama showed himself to be up to the job of taking on Romney and was the candidate we all hoped he would be. So Romney has a big job ahead of him to close the deal. I think he is going to fade and Obama will take it to Victory on Nov. 6th! Fingers crossed....but feeling more confident than I did two weeks ago.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:42 PM

74. This was decaffeinated Mitt.

Mitt was not "up" for debating last night. He forgot his Red Bull.

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Response to Jennicut (Reply #74)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:59 AM

121. lol They hid his stash of Red Bull! Of course! nm

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:55 PM

79. It may have been a combination of shifting tactics and illness

If he had the flu, he might have been periodically fighting to keep from tossing his cookies on stage and fighting to keep any sort of focus. That would explain the sweating and "warmer, gentlemanly" Mitt. It also would explain the scene at the end when HRH Queen Annie grabbed him. I didn't see the debate (working) but saw Frenchiecat's still shot sequence. He looked like he started to topple forward when he leaned down to shake hands with his fan. Given that he has back/hip issues from his big car accident, combined with his illness, a loss of balance would not be surprising. HRH Queen Ann grabbed him to keep him from falling flat-faced into the audience and her look of fear would be understandable from that perspective.

On the other hand, the weird gallop poll showing him doing well with women ( ) and feedback from him trying to steamroller Candy may have led him to back down. Possibly the long-strategy over the debates was for him to beat down Prez for 2 debates and finish looking like a "nice guy," which strategy fell apart when the Prez fought back in debate 2. In any event, their campaign has been aggressively attempting to sucker in women for the last couple weeks, so it would fit with that idea.

On the other hand, this is a money quote:

"I think the real answer lies in the nature of real chameleons. They don’t change colors because they are frustrated art majors; they change colors to protect themselves from danger."

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:59 PM

80. I think it was simply that he knew going in that he was not well-versed in Foreign Policy.

Also, there was some blow back about him being so disrespectful to the President during the second debate, so he toned it down.

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Response to DawgHouse (Reply #80)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 02:23 PM

91. Yep, blow back, but also shifting tactics.

Not only did he get blow back over his disrespect to the President, but he was also likely betting that President was expecting "Rude, Disrespectful Mitt" to show up one more time. So, they sent in "Moderate Mitt" in an attempt to confuse him. It failed miserably.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 02:06 PM

82. Maybe he was taking a clue from "The Opposite" Seinfeld show

when George realizes success at last due to his doing the OPPOSITE of his natural instincts.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 02:07 PM

83. For what it's worth

I think Mitt was playing it safe because he's been gaining ever so marginally,
because cloning himself as just like Obama means some of Obama's popularity
will rub off on Mitt, and because Mitt knows two solid weeks of ads attacking
Obama are immediately ahead.

So Mitt appears normal, avuncular, middle-of-the-road, while the ads trash Obama.

Presto! Mitt's path to victory is clear.

Now don't get me wrong, there's a lot wrong with that strategy, and I sure hope
it doesn't play out, but that's what i think they're doing.

I think ANYTHING they do in these debates is deliberate. You don't play at this
high level and surprise anyone, let alone your campaign team or yourself. Ok
there's an occasional gaffe, but a whole debate attitude?

Obama was just relaxed and coy the first debate. I do subscribe to the Denver
Air Theory.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 02:16 PM

89. The tone was VERY different. Personally, I think taxes and

his returns have something to do with it. He's definitely hiding them because releasing them would CERTAINLY torpedo his campaign - hiding them is not certain to have that effect.

But, who knows, maybe this is Allred's October surprise? Somehow, she has them? I mean, anything's possible.

But yeah, he came off as a loser last night, like he was conceding.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 02:26 PM

92. The sun

I decided he looks just like a vampire. I mean, he could play Barnabas Colins

( good post though)

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 02:33 PM

95. I think so too...

Maybe he was anticipating a story to break but the President didn't bring it up?? But it is still out there....

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 02:34 PM

97. What willard did last night was take this election down to it's most

base, shameful distinction for that voter that views the difference between the
candidates in black and white literally. He offered them the same successful
policies that has distinguished Obama from Romney. There is nothing romney
could promise that would compare to what Obama has achieved.

Obama needs to focus the next couple weeks on the economy. We are in a
recovery. Recovery, Recovery, Recovery. It cannot be stressed enough. If
Obama does not take ownership now you can believe willard will within
3 months if elected.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 03:02 PM

101. Romney Was Afraid of Something Last Night: Being exposed as the lightweight he really is.

Nothing scares the Romneys and Trumps of the world like being exposed - not as frauds, but as the intellectual lightweights and pseudo-educated simpletons they really are. And last night, Romney showed his puddle-like depth, while Ryan chimed in to prove that the GOP's "golden super intellect math whiz" is dumber than a bag of hammers in a box of rocks.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 03:47 PM

105. I think

the CIA sat him down for a talking to about Libya. This was the only time I have seen rMoney discuss Libya withOUT a big ole smile on his face.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 05:51 PM

112. I think his fear is that something......

is going to be revealed in the next 5-7 days. What it is I can't imagine. But something is worrying him.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 06:41 PM

114. Spam deleted by gkhouston (MIR Team)

 

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:26 AM

115. He knew he'd get his clock cleaned going head to head on foreign policy.

Remember, this guy admitted to not knowing much about or even being interested in foreign policy. He preparation was no doubt like a college kid trying to cram for a cumulative final the night before the test. In addition to that, he undoubtedly knew that being too aggressive and too much of a saber-rattler in a foreign policy debate would kill him with moderate undecideds, especially women.

So his solution? Limit the contrasts. Try to stay calm and level-headed to win people over on appearances, knowing that many viewers won't know enough about foreign policy to see his lack of knowledge, and knowing that many viewers don't know enough about his past positions to see the rampant flip flopping.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:37 AM

116. Brilliant read, Tom Rinaldo..Thank you!

I was thinking yesterday that they had some bad internal polling from his bulldozer debate strategy that was out of control. Turns out he can control himself..even be docile..unbelieveable!

Someone tweeted.."another 30 minutes and he Would have endorsed Obama".

Perhaps we'll never know what changed mitt from a charging red bull to Pres Obama's side kick but your 3rd to last paragraph is now making a lot of sense.

One thing Constant throughout is Mitt Romney's neverending Lies.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:41 AM

117. I read somewhere that he had dropped in women's support because of his dickishness.

I had theorized that that would happen - being a woman who was disgusted by his behavior.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:57 AM

127. OR MAYBE HE'S JUST BI-POLAR

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:20 PM

132. If there was a position called president of planet earth

Mitt would run for it because he is so ambitious and he only cares about having the title and power, not about actually doing something good for people in general. And if China had the most votes in this type of election, he would turn on the United States so fast, it would break speed records everywhere. He would drop this country like a bad habit. What loyalty and patriotism does he exhibit? He stores his money in the caymans and god knows where else and only looks to make a profit, not caring about his fellow Americans. I think he feels kinship with other wealthy people like him, who may or may not be American, more than he feels an American. Yet Obama is the one attacked for not being American by the rightwing nutjobs. Mitt would do anything, sell out anything, simply to have the title he wants.

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