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Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:38 PM

Two young Mormons rang my bell today, It instantly reminded me of my time in the jungles of Vietnam.

They were nicely shaved and recently showered, nice trim haircuts, really soft hands, yea I couldn't help but think back on Vietnam and how similar it was.
They really did stop by today, I took their little card and said goodbye and I hope they survive.

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Reply Two young Mormons rang my bell today, It instantly reminded me of my time in the jungles of Vietnam. (Original post)
pwb Oct 2012 OP
Brickbat Oct 2012 #1
Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #2
lunatica Oct 2012 #3
kardonb Oct 2012 #33
truebluegreen Oct 2012 #38
lunatica Oct 2012 #56
StevieM Oct 2012 #47
FreeState Oct 2012 #71
blueamy66 Oct 2012 #104
FreeState Oct 2012 #111
blueamy66 Oct 2012 #115
Scuba Oct 2012 #108
FreeState Oct 2012 #112
RomneyLies Oct 2012 #4
calimary Oct 2012 #9
RomneyLies Oct 2012 #15
gvstn Oct 2012 #86
No Vested Interest Oct 2012 #91
gvstn Oct 2012 #106
freshwest Oct 2012 #92
hunter Oct 2012 #23
OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #5
pwb Oct 2012 #12
aint_no_life_nowhere Oct 2012 #6
classof56 Oct 2012 #39
CreekDog Oct 2012 #7
savalez Oct 2012 #25
Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #8
MFM008 Oct 2012 #51
Kalidurga Oct 2012 #10
lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #11
onecent Oct 2012 #29
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pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #18
GoCubsGo Oct 2012 #55
Bigmack Oct 2012 #67
LisaL Oct 2012 #21
grantcart Oct 2012 #84
daleanime Oct 2012 #109
amborin Oct 2012 #17
pwb Oct 2012 #22
PD Turk Oct 2012 #19
txwhitedove Oct 2012 #24
Ghost in the Machine Oct 2012 #74
txwhitedove Oct 2012 #78
Ghost in the Machine Oct 2012 #82
txwhitedove Oct 2012 #87
Ghost in the Machine Oct 2012 #117
aletier_v Oct 2012 #54
aint_no_life_nowhere Oct 2012 #20
Vattel Oct 2012 #26
pwb Oct 2012 #27
Vattel Oct 2012 #32
WinkyDink Oct 2012 #46
stlsaxman Oct 2012 #68
Ineeda Oct 2012 #37
WinkyDink Oct 2012 #45
Vattel Oct 2012 #81
Cha Oct 2012 #85
malaise Oct 2012 #28
Uncle Joe Oct 2012 #30
glinda Oct 2012 #31
southernyankeebelle Oct 2012 #34
santamargarita Oct 2012 #35
IndyJones Oct 2012 #93
No Vested Interest Oct 2012 #114
jtuck004 Oct 2012 #36
upi402 Oct 2012 #40
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GentryDixon Oct 2012 #42
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slackmaster Oct 2012 #48
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Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #113

Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:39 PM

1. The horror...the horror.

I'm sorry you had to go through that. No, for real.

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:39 PM

2. LOL

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:42 PM

3. They left home boys and will return men

because of their sacrifice.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:03 PM

33. left home ...

what " sacrifice " ? 2 years of wandering around , all expenses paid , scrubbed clean , well fed , comfortably housed . Annoying people on a daily basis , proselytizing for an absurd cult . I don't see any sacrifice here at all . Time would be better spent helping and caring for needy people .

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Response to kardonb (Reply #33)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:24 PM

38. I think lunatica was referring to Queen Ann's

statement that there are different ways of "serving", and her sons left as boys but returned as men. After their vacation, er, sacrifice.


edited for clarity

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #38)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:10 PM

56. Thanks. That was what I was talking about

Her interview in which she was asked why her sons have never served in the military since they support the wars.

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Response to kardonb (Reply #33)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:34 PM

47. Actually, it's not all expenses paid. LDS Missionaries (or their parents) have to save up to pay for

the cost of the mission. I'm not sure how comfortably they are housed....it probably varies from mission to mission, depending on location.

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Response to kardonb (Reply #33)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 05:02 PM

71. It's not paid and it's hardly comfy

Seriously - when I was a missionary I lived in a studio apartment thy would have been condemned her, no heat, not finished and very uncomfortable.

Missionaries pay their own way - as a missionary you hope people in local congrigation feed you, otherwise you have about $30 a week for food.

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Response to FreeState (Reply #71)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 11:13 AM

104. really, they have to "hope"?

they just need to go to the local food warehouse and stock up

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Response to blueamy66 (Reply #104)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 02:25 PM

111. Yes they have to hope

the local food warehouse is not for missionaries at all. You rely on members inviting you over for dinner. In fact the members are told to invite the missionaries from the pulpit all the time.

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Response to FreeState (Reply #111)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 06:43 PM

115. Hey I'm a Catholic and 2 missionaries invited me to shop a while back

I may never have been a missionary, but I was invited to shop.

don't know.....

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Response to FreeState (Reply #71)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 12:28 PM

108. Must have been tough, heathen outside the wire, lobbing mortars at your studio apartment.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #108)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 02:27 PM

112. Non if that is relevant to my post

I never said anything of comparing the two, only that the OP was way off. But if it makes you feel better to add stuff to my comments go right ahead, it says way more about you than it does me.

On the comparison grounds, there is none. Even being so, it doesn't mean we should make stuff up or pass along false information, like in the op, to make our point sound better.

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:42 PM

4. They always send the Elders out in pairs to talk to the gentiles.

 

Yes, those two young men are Elders in the LDS church, and yes, to Mormons Jews are Gentiles.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:48 PM

9. Welcome to DU, RomneyLies!

Glad you're here - your very name suggests you understand the real (and perpetual) wrongney bottom line here. We need you! And our President needs you too. We don't have this thing nailed down yet.








Now get to work.

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Response to calimary (Reply #9)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:03 PM

15. I'm voting on Monday

 

Straight Dem ballot.

One county race has three candidates, two Republicans and one Democrat. You vote for two. I'll only vote for the Dem.

In the non-partisan races for judge retention, I looked up political contributions made by the judges. I found out one donated to Democrats and the other two donated to Republicans, so I'll be voting to retain the one who donates to Democrats and vote against retaining the two who donated to Republicans.

I don't always agree with or even like what Democrats do when they get into office, they're usually way too conservative, but I've been around long enough to know that these are the choices we are given and anything is better than a Republican.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #15)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:46 PM

86. I wish everyone would talk about this.

I used to vote the man but now I vote straight democrat. Even a DINO asshat is better than giving the GOP an extra seat.
It is a numbers game and every seat counts.

I wish the news/talk shows had spent the last two years concentrating on the importance of voting down ticket. I know the Presidential race is the ratings grabber but Congress has to be given a clear majority in both houses to really get things done. When I was a low information voter I skipped the down ticket races. I think there should be more of a GOTV push for "if in doubt vote Democratic".

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Response to gvstn (Reply #86)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 02:56 AM

91. Down Ticket

I wish the Prez would emphasize (more) the importance of electing a Dem Congress - Senate and House.
He also needs to ask for the vote. He does, but in a more oblique way. I feel that was a big failing of Kerry's - he never did ask citizens for their vote - the same way a salesman has to "ask for the sale". Very important.

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Response to No Vested Interest (Reply #91)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 11:26 AM

106. Interesting

I hadn't thought of that. When I meet politicians in person, asking for my vote, it does work. I still look at party, now, but the asking does make me look at them a second time and research their platform.

I wonder if their is some research where campaigns think that makes a candidate look weak? It doesn't strike me that way.

I'm going to pay attention and see if Obama ever asks for one's vote rather than explain why it is the best decision.

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Response to gvstn (Reply #86)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 04:07 AM

92. My liberal Democratic representative, etc. need more Democrats to caucus with and do what we want.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:12 PM

23. In case Mrs. Robinson opens the door naked, holding a six-pack of beer, offering a good time.

If one or both accepts the invitation, then neither Elder can trust the other won't confess later.

They don't come to my house. Our family has been blacklisted by the Mormons ever since one of my ancestors, a mail order bride from Europe, decided she didn't like sharing her husband with other women and took off with a "gentile" government surveyor. He probably told her the marriage wasn't valid in the USA and asked if she wanted a drink.

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:43 PM

5. Any sign of PTSD from the stress of constantly knocking on doors?

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #5)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:55 PM

12. Not yet thankfully but I had some Flashbacks.

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:45 PM

6. Samuel Barber's Adagio For Strings begins magically playing in the background wherever they go

https://

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Response to aint_no_life_nowhere (Reply #6)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:25 PM

39. This is one of the saddest, most heart-wrenching videos I have ever seen.

Barber's music as the backdrop for these horrific scenes makes the emotional impact almost unbearable. I have never been able to get myself to watch "Platoon". Just too painful. The more I learn about Viet Nam (which happened in my 20s), the more sorrow and shame I feel. As a female, I was spared the experience, but I know men who still are plagued by PTSD all these years later. Rmoney and his five strapping sons who "served their country" by doing the Mormon mission thing should be required to watch this, over and over and over until it finally sinks into their tiny little brains what is the true meaning of service. I won't hold my breath, of course.

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:45 PM

7. oh I get it now



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Response to CreekDog (Reply #7)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:16 PM

25. Took me a little while too. lol!

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:48 PM

8. Mitt has horrible flashback memories of mangled


















...souffles and undercooked quiches.

MY GOD WHEN WILL THIS MADNESS END???

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #8)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:56 PM

51. lol




to origional poster, thanks for your difficult service.

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:49 PM

10. Well played nt

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:54 PM

11. You can tell a Mormon mission veteran a mile away.

The 1000 yard stare... the tortured look... the $500 haircut.

?1350579102

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #11)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:31 PM

29. But he didn't get his money's worth on that $500 haircut...hair always goes every which way.

He should have gone to John Edwards hairdresser.....ROFL

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:59 PM

13. Is there an address we can send care packages to so that the missionaries don't have to suffer

too much deprivation??

I'm thinking some nice soap, toothpaste, shampoo, body wash........and some candy bars or homemade cookies.

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:01 PM

14. Friend is a marine spec forces vet, has big black rot

2 morms come to the door, he turns to the dog, says, whaddya think, Satan, should we let em in?

They split. Dog's real name is Gracie. No shit.

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Response to toby jo (Reply #14)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:05 PM

16. That's rich.

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Response to toby jo (Reply #14)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:07 PM

18. *snort*



Funny. But I had to do a double-take, as my first thought from the way it was put was jungle rot...

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #18)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:09 PM

55. Me, too.

I was thinking, "All these years, and the poor guy is still suffering from some exotic rot." LOL!

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #18)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:43 PM

67. Remember this one....?

Mary had a little lamb,
It's fleece was black as mud,
Mary didn't know it, but
Her lamb had the galloping crud.

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Response to toby jo (Reply #14)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:11 PM

21. That's very funny.

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Response to toby jo (Reply #14)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:21 PM

84. I invite them in and 30 minutes later one young man is in tears and the other


has the most astonished look.

They would have preferred Satan.

They write down the address and I never get another one.

Until I move.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #84)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 01:14 PM

109. Guess I have to work on my delievery.....

because they only look confused when they leave and a couple of months later heres a new set.

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Response to amborin (Reply #17)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:12 PM

22. Funny, this election we are not so much a Christian nation.

I knew that was bullshit from the start. Just another easy vote getter for the pukes, in reality just another shallow issue.

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Response to PD Turk (Reply #19)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:15 PM

24. An AK-47? You poor dear, parents divorced and mom didn't have flex hours to get home to fix dinner?

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Response to txwhitedove (Reply #24)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 05:58 PM

74. Hmmm.. *my* parents just celebrated their 50th anniversary, my mom never had to work... wanna play

with MY toy??




Any more pithy responses to gun owners?? It's "democrats" like YOU who are the reason we can't win in the Southern states and/or rural areas. Keep doing the great job of putting the "gun grabbers" image in their heads. We work our asses off trying to register Democratic voters, reassuring them that no one wants to take their guns away... and they just point to posts like yours for examples.

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Response to Ghost in the Machine (Reply #74)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:36 PM

78. WTF? I have voted to keep 'alerted' posts far less abusive than yours. Guess I forgot the

sarcasm thingy, but most responses here were in fun. Instead you call my response pithy, insult me as Democrat and insult me as a Southerner. I don't usually EVER get into the gun discussion. This was a freekin joke, get it? You must not have seen the images, responses, jokes after Debate 2 and Romney's response to the question about gun control/AK-47's. Take away joke from his response was: Guns don't kill people, single mothers do.


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Response to txwhitedove (Reply #78)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:11 PM

82. If your post was, as you say, sarcastic then yes, I fully missed it, and truly apologize...

Maybe it's time to get my sarcasm meter recalibrated. I've seen so many anti gun posts here that *aren't* sarcasm that it's hard to tell. many of those posts seem to be from people obsessed with the penises of gun owners, and here yours looked like an attack on another member, but instead of mentioning his penis, you brought his mother into it. I'm sitting here thinking "how low would this poster (you) feel if you found out the person you replied to had just buried his mother today, yesterday, last week, or was going to be doing it tomorrow. My intent was to make you think about what you say to others.

That being said, I am a Southerner too, and we suffer much abuse on this board.... enough that I don't find *ANY* of it funny. I'll take you at your word that it was sarcasm, and offer my most humble apology.

I work every day, fighting bigotry, racism and ignorance in my very deep red, deep South area. I can only hope that you are doing the same in your area, and that we can have some sort of positive effect on even just a small percentage of the ignorant and uninformed that we try to reach out to.

Peace,

Ghost

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Response to Ghost in the Machine (Reply #82)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 11:15 PM

87. GITM, your apology is appreciated. I also appreciate veterans, guns, penises, mothers, and the

feelings of others. The OP was tongue-in-cheek while making a point. PDTurk’s mention of an AK-47 seemed in the same vein since it was the gun Romney was asked about, so I was shocked to see PDT’s post hidden. As for the Southern heritage, it is fierce, but I don’t have a middle name, have always softly rebuked those who tell racial jokes, have been laughed at for asking people not to talk ugly about gays, and have always been a Democrat. Now I am mocked by my own children for being so outspoken in the last few years about Bush and now Romney. There has to be one place, one group I can freely communicate with and I choose DU.

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Response to txwhitedove (Reply #87)

Mon Oct 22, 2012, 03:22 AM

117. I have never been one to mince my words here, nor bite my tongue to spare the feelings of others....

I will argue to my death if I think/know that I am in the right, but on that same token, I will freely admit when I am wrong, make no excuses for it, or try to back-peddle my way out. If I'm wrong, and proven wrong, I take my lumps and keep moving forward. I also try to learn a lesson from that experience, so I don't repeat the same mistake.

Thank you for accepting my apology, and being very gracious/classy in doing so. We should all strive to get along, and support each other here, as we never know what another member may be going through in their personal lives at any given moment. it's the whole "walk a mile in *my* moccasins" thing. We already have a common enemy to focus on anyways, that being the Repugnant Party.

One funny tidbit: My oldest daughter doesn't have a middle name, either!

I hope all is well with you and yours...

Peace within, Peace between, Peace among

Ghost

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Response to PD Turk (Reply #19)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:05 PM

54. See? It IS dangerous being a missionary!

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:10 PM

20. Obviously a "LURPS" patrol

(Long Range Reconnaissance Patrol).

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:18 PM

26. Well, better to promote a dumb religion than to participate in an immoral war I guess.

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Response to Vattel (Reply #26)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:28 PM

27. I went there thinking it was right, but came home knowing it was wrong.

Point being I did what my country asked of me, my country never asked me to go overseas and preach a cult religion. I think what i did was better, we just have to disagree on this. I am proud I served regardless, Romney probably feels proud he didn't.

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Response to pwb (Reply #27)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:51 PM

32. My reply to the original post was kinda assholish.

The point we all agree on is that even though Romney aggressively supported the war, he was too cowardly to fight in it. That deserves criticism. I was too young to even have a choice about whether to fight in Vietnam, and that sort of decision is not one I would want any 18-yr-old to have to make. I do think that the better decision was not to fight, and I am proud of some of my relatives that refused to do so.

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Response to Vattel (Reply #32)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:31 PM

46. So are you saying your relatives went to Canada or to jail? Or had Cheney deferments? Hmmmm??

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #46)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:43 PM

68. and what if they DID go to Canada or jail...? Hmmmmm?

most likely a CO would go to Canada or jail. I know I almost did but was spared by the end of the war.

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Response to Vattel (Reply #26)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:23 PM

37. Except the creep was also promoting the immoral war. The pig.

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Response to Vattel (Reply #26)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:29 PM

45. You know what? Most of our men DIDN'T HAVE A CHOICE BUT to "PARTICIPATE."

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #45)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:07 PM

81. They had a choice. Not an easy one, but whoever said that doing the right thing is always easy?

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Response to Vattel (Reply #26)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:31 PM

85. Yes, but Romney was For the Vietnam war but

got a deferment so he could go to France.

Others could go get killed but not him.

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:29 PM

28. Very well played - Getting up off the floor

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:45 PM

30. I believe William Tecumseh Sherman said it best when he said

"Missionarying in France with binders full of women is hell!"

Thanks for the thread, pwb.

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:51 PM

31. Good one.

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:13 PM

34. I remember visiting my Italian relatives in Parma, Italy. I was looking out the balcony and

 

it was a beautiful warm sunny day and it was so funny to see these 2 young men riding bikes and stopping by our apartment. Here they were hot as hell and they were dress up. I looked at them and they smiled at me and I said hello and were surprised to see me there in that neighborhood. I was just as surprised. Of course they were pushing their religion and I said to them you better forget it here. You will not be welcomed. They left and I said goodby. That was it. They are everywhere. I've seen them in Germany also.

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:20 PM

35. I have only crossed paths with one Mormon and he was...

the most racists, woman hating person I ever met.

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Response to santamargarita (Reply #35)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 04:22 AM

93. You do know that Harry Reid is Mormon, right?

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Response to IndyJones (Reply #93)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 04:20 PM

114. Harry converted

I don't know the details, but Reid did not grow up as a Mormon.
Maybe he has benefited from not having had the Mormon culture all his life.

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:21 PM

36. They will survive. They have a better support network than most. n/t

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:25 PM

40. I greet the Elders and ask if they'd like a bottle of water

They're friendly and generally good fellows. Then I tell them where I'm at when they try to probe. I've eaten dinner with other Elders a couple times. As long as you talk about motocross or something, they are wonderful folks.

They don't come back after I peel my Scooby Do mask off, usually.
LOL

Not once have they dared to express racism to me. Maybe because they knew better...

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:25 PM

41. For those who missed it, check out Doonesbury's "American Mormon in Paris Not Vietnam" week

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:27 PM

42. They know not to darken my door.

I actually had the Bishop of a town I was living in 40 years ago come to my door. He introduced himself and told me he liked to keep track what people were doing in his ward. I told him it was none of his business what I was doing and never come to my door again.

The first time they came to my house where I now live I asked them in for a beer. They were aghast. I then told them to go away and not come back. I am now on the "hopeless list" I suppose.

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:28 PM

43. It's tough, living on warm beer and c-rats

And of course they throw away the c-rat smokes.

Wait, they can't even have warm beer, right? Now THAT is a sacrifice!

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:28 PM

44. I find it is my duty to talk to all evangelicals that come to my door

and waste as much time of theirs as I possibly can before I inform them that was my intention, oh and please feel free to bother my neighbor down the street as he usually answers the door with a shotgun ( he doesn't but he's a nice old vet that doesn't need to be bothered. I also try to get as much literature as I can, because it usually burns so pretty in the fire pit.

I may be going to hell for this but it's worth it.

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:34 PM

48. PTSD is a cruel companion that is always with you, and will never go away for good

 

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #48)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:39 PM

49. You got that right.

Was diagnosed by the V.A. in 1997. Stayed away as long as I could. I was ok until we started fighting all these wars. Brought it all back.

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Response to pwb (Reply #49)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 09:43 AM

97. You have my sympathy, and you are not alone

 

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:53 PM

50. Mormons are out in droves these days. Big push by the head of the church.

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Response to SleeplessinSoCal (Reply #50)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:10 PM

57. Yes, they are.

I was walking to the bus stop last week and recognized the bicycled pair, a block away, coming my way. I picked up my pace and waved them off with 'Don't want to miss my bus.'

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Response to SleeplessinSoCal (Reply #50)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:11 PM

58. I see them all the time pedaling around town on their Humvee bikes.

Now that it's cooling off, they're wearing their winter camo...errrrr...suit jackets.

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:58 PM

52. Maybe when they charge up the next hill

er, ride their bicycles up the next street...

they will frag the lieutenant.

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #52)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:12 PM

59. That's if a roadside bomb doesn't get 'em first.

Granted, in my town, it's more likely to get hit by some putz driving while talking on a cell phone.

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:02 PM

53. Best thread headline EVER!

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:13 PM

60. Yeh, but were they speaking French?

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Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:21 PM

61. Did they turn from being boys to men right before your eyes?

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:24 PM

62. They stopped coming to one of my neighbors

They're devout Catholics.

They converted about 70% of the Mormons who came in to talk with them.

After such horrific losses, the missionaries don't come to their house anymore.

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:25 PM

63. They come around my door,

I just ask them to come in and see my Amway stuff. Same with the Jehovah's Witlesses.

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:26 PM

64. Lol...

I was going to say - they don't even walk anymore, they ride bicycles. Next, we'll see them on electric scooters... or something.

It definitely shows the disconnect of the Romneys that any of them think that this type of "serving" is anything like putting your life on the line for your country. As far as I can tell, the Mormons around here look like they live a pretty cush life. They don't come to my door anymore, or try to stop me when I'm out working in my yard. They always offered to help me with my yard - honestly, like mowing it and weeding and even building a fence once. Although I could use the free labor as a single gal who owns her own home, I will not be subjected to listening to their spiel about gawd. I simply told them that I'm an Atheist, and they looked adequately horrified - and then I literally turned my back on them. They tried to talk to my back for about 10 minutes - and I did what I call "active ignoring"... literally pretended that they weren't there and that I couldn't hear them at all. They eventually gave up and walked away. Was it rude? Yep. But seriously, if I want gawd, I know how to find a freakin' church - they are on every damn corner. It's insulting that they think that I can't find my own way to faith if I seek it.

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Response to PsychGrad (Reply #64)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:46 PM

70. "I did what I call "active ignoring"...

Otherwise called "shunning" in the Mormon world.

Don't worry about being rude, they're quite familiar with that concept.

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:33 PM

65. Romney World is Different than the World We live In.


Her boys are privileged ours get shot at while in the jungle or desert. When I heard her say that I was disgusted. Romney should lose just by that statement alone.

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:43 PM

66. I got to know several of these young men after I got back

from Nam...they used to come by a couple times a month and sit and chat. They were very curious about my experiences in the war, and I was very curious about their anti black religious beliefs.
War, so they felt, was wrong, but both knew friends back in Utah that were serving or about to go. With so many conscientious objectors around in those days, I actually appreciated their sincere reasons for choosing a religious mission as opposed the military.
Of, course, they were also very apologetic about the exclusion of Blacks from their priesthood and felt Muhammad Ali had gotten a bad deal for the very same reason they were not required to serve.
Interesting times.....

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:44 PM

69. Did you ask if they were going to ship your job to China?

If you failed to listen to them?

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 05:09 PM

72. Vietnam

I was an Army Medic in the 'Nam, '69, and I don't recall seeing any clean-shaven Mormon Missionaries running around. Maybe I got drafted into the wrong unit.

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Response to queentonic (Reply #72)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 05:48 PM

73. Honored you used your first post on my o p.

I don't know any Mormons who served in Nam. Took a long walk in my local veterans cemetery and did not see one mormon symbol on any graves. Ann Romney thinks her sons are are equals when it came to serving. What a sick woman. Welcome.

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Response to pwb (Reply #73)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 10:04 AM

99. You may not have met them...

 

...but nearly six hundred lost their life in Viet Nam.

http://www.militaryfactory.com/vietnam/casualties.asp#10

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Response to MyTwoSense (Reply #99)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 01:23 PM

110. There are 131 national cemeteries in the U.S.

No wonder I did not see any Mormon graves. National cemetery's are huge and according to your link that would average 4 per cemetery. .008% of total causalities in Nam. One thing for sure is 100% of the Romney family never served. Maybe you could provide a link to how many avoided service during the war as missionaries?. All religions believe tho shalt not kill. Most do not provide a way to avoid service like Mormons.
God bless the Mormons who died in Nam, God Dam the ones who avoided service and hid behind their religion. You know who I mean?.
I never said that no Mormons died in war, I said I did not see any in my walk through the cemetery.

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:14 PM

75. I hear the 16th Arrondissement Paris Offensive was a real hellhole for wealthy Mormon Missionary

Battalions back in '68.

Rumor has it that there was a severe caviar shortage, and the best vintage year wines from Domaine de la Romanée-Conti had all been bought up for use as corporate bonuses to be given to defense, oil, and finance industry executives for their part in maintaining the Vietnam war effort.

Such incredible hardship. What an absolute bohemian horror!

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:23 PM

76. You can always spot a mormon missionary because of the name tags.

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:24 PM

77. Soldiers in Vietnam only had to face imminent death or mutilation.

LDS missionaries have to face something far more treacherous--pornography.

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 07:23 PM

79. Salt Lake City......

...shit, I'm still only in Salt Lake City.....

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 08:56 PM

80. thanks for doing a difficult job....my father was special forces.....

a no shit green beret....he did two tours, '64 and '65......he didn't talk a lot about his time there, but the stories i did hear from him were horrific in their own right. at some point he was assigned a german shepard to sniff out the VC soldiers. while on a patrol his dog was shot right in front of him. my father picked up this 150lbs dog and fireman carried it some 3 miles back to base. the dog was dead the moment it was hit, so i asked my dad why he risked his life for this dog...i was about 10 or 11 when he told me this story....his response? "i didn't want my dog to be dinner for a platoon of those zipper heads...."

although he was twice a bronze star recipient, along with a chestful of other medals, dad came out of vietnam with no physical injury, but sometimes he had "the look"....he was at the house, but he was far far away...i learned very quickly to tap dad on his toes to wake him up in the morning. dad is a huge fan of john wayne, but to this day can not bring himself to watch "the green berets"...."propaganda" and "garbage" are his two terms for that movie....

my niece did 3 tours in iraq....during the the last one she watched a friend in the humvee in front of her get vaporized by an IED...she hasn't been the same in the past 6 years...my experiences on submarines pales to their service, at least IMHO...we had beds, 3 hot prepared meals, movies....they had none of thee above...thanks again for the job you did.

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Response to rppper (Reply #80)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 08:07 AM

95. You also had ice cream every day too......

 

and if the ice cream machine went down, there would be hell to pay.

depending on what you did on the boats, you should be thankful, that you did not have to launch. I was SWS on boomers and you did not want us launching. I have a number of SF/SEAL friends and not a single one wanted to be responsible for annihilating millions of people.

You service was/is far more risky then getting it by an IED. They always have the chance to get to safety, where were you going if there was a fire on board, flooding in engineering and loss of depth control all at the same time?


Our experience is very different from everyone else in the military …

Hunt for Red October summed it up nicely…..

....A war with no battles....No monuments.....Only casualties.





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Response to coldwaterintheface (Reply #95)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 10:27 AM

100. Thank goodness that....

All of the launches I ever did on a boomer were end of the world drills, or torpex's and sinkex's on the fast boats......and yes there would definatly be high pitched squeals if the ice cream machine got tagged out! Lol

Two of my boats were set up for spec ops though....we did some real time lock in/lock outs and enough covert missions to make 3/4 of the posters here very upset, but we always saw it in terms of when we would get relieved and head down for chow and bunks! It was an everyday event on any given underway....I'm sure as an sws you know I'm preaching to the choir though...

My boats were SSBN 645, SSN 676, SSN 624, AS-31 and SSN 770....

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Response to rppper (Reply #100)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 11:37 AM

107. Back in the day it was a thankless job

 

but that is OK that is the way it was designed mainly to keep the public in the dark as to what really was going on.

But the so-called cold war did make things interesting that is for sure.

My boat was SSBN 617 out of Holy Loch.

Nothing like hearing an Alpha to get your attention knowing that this shit is real!

or having the head valve fail open and turing the fan into a pump. Yes it will still work and bring in a whole bunch of water out the fan room, down the ladder by FC right into the crews lounge above the battery...yup fun times. You lose depth control really fast, like scarry fast.

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Response to coldwaterintheface (Reply #107)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 10:58 PM

116. when fan #1 becomes pump #1!!!

had that same thing happen on 624! (almost over the same spot where the scorpion is lying no less)...filled the MCLL bildge all the way to the deck plates...all due to the CO wanting to run the DG at least once every week....this time it was in a sea state 5! the navet handling the head valve actually went to mast because he shut down the air actuator to the head valve without permission....saved the ship and lost 200x2...go figure...the co scrubbed the QM's log as well...made him rewrite the whole incedent before we pulled into LaMadalena and had a meeting with all of the involved parties to tell them EXACTLY what to say to the NIS people...he was a real piece of work! had the water hit the LP blower we would have had to ride back to charleston surfaced...it was a one of a kind blower that would have required a hull cut to take out....

after they shut holy loch down all of the EM club stuff went to the EM club in LaMadalena...the USFL posters included! lol

during 2 out of 3 patrols i did out of the loch we were met by soviet destroyers and agi's....sovremeny and kashin destroyers and vishna trawlers...nasty looking ships but they were pitiful sonar wise....not good when a 35 y/o boomer can dive and immediatly evade you....we would have definatly whooped their asses if war would have ever happened....

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:17 PM

83. ...

 

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 02:44 AM

88. LOL.....pwb



“Romney likes to talk tough on the campaign trail,” says George Ryan of Windsor Terrace. “But I sure didn’t run into him on the Ho Chi Minh trail. While I was fighting with the G-Battalion of the 65th Infantry in places like Khe San and Con Thien and Hue during the Tet Offensive, Romney was in Paris eating croissants.”

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 02:48 AM

89. Imagine the PTSD of them having flashbacks of the black person that opened the door...

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #89)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 09:37 AM

96. Especially the black person that said....

Hello there boys, I'm the ghost of '77!

1977 was the last year in which Mormons continued to officially ascribe to the belief that being black meant being a sinful decendant of Adam who was cursed by God for past iniquities. A black person could still become a church member (under those circumstances vritually none chose to do so) but given "cursed" status could never advance in the LDS hierarchy. Like polygamy before it, the church disavowed this policy in 1978 not so much to it's own devices but to external pressure.

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Response to pwb (Original post)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 02:49 AM

90. Fuck 'em, I tell them to get a job....

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Sun Oct 21, 2012, 04:26 AM

94. They are salesmen, nothing more.

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Sun Oct 21, 2012, 09:54 AM

98. You should have told them how you felt...nt

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Sun Oct 21, 2012, 10:28 AM

101. LOL

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Sun Oct 21, 2012, 10:42 AM

102. Oh great. Mormons.

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Sun Oct 21, 2012, 11:01 AM

103. "I love the smell of freshly starched magic underwear in the morning..."nt

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Sun Oct 21, 2012, 11:18 AM

105. Proselytizing is wrong, shameful, destructive..

and should be a crime.

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Sun Oct 21, 2012, 02:30 PM

113. Did they dig little holes in your lawn to crap in and try to swap c-rations for real food?

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