Update on the Gravis Marketing Fraud investigation; Statistician offers proof of fraud in the polls.

fantastic service to the group my friend

Still waiting for the first break of this scandal in "Google news", I now have Gravis and Paul Kaplan marked for alerts.

And as is the normal MO, the RW'ers hurry and claim the Left is doing exactly what they have been doing for some time. The right has been manipulating the polls in the hopes of gaining electoral advantage by disheartening the opposition while trying to enthuse their base.

The Right has been doing this with their patently false outrage over Leftie voter fraud.
The Right has done this with voter registration fraud.
The Right has done this with calls that Obama has not worked across the ailse
The Right has done this with the "concern" over LW filibusters.
The Right has done this with debate lies.
The Right has done this with proclaiming the Left has increased spending
The Right has done this with claiming the Leftie have not created jobs
The Right has done this with claiming the Left is not an advocate of small business.

Limbaugh has been on air, complaning that the Left is manipulating the Polls to discourage the RW'ers from getting out the vote.

http://bb.intrade.com/intradeForum/posts/preList/494211/564967.page

You may have to scroll around a bit from there.

I guess I really don't need to read it ... The verdict is already in.

And thanks for your exhaustive work!

Glad you all are keeping on top of this. One day we'll see it splashed across HuffPost and MSNBC and CNN and.....oh....wait....

You are amazing, truly!

It is pathetic that so many in the media, including Silver, have been duped in this way. I have little doubt that the response, if there even is a response, from Silver, et al, is that the "results" from Gravis had no material effect on his/their analyses. This is bad enough.

A larger problem is the question of how many of these bogus operations are feeding lies into "the system." I would find it hard to believe that Gravis is the sole "bad apple," so, in the end, there's really no telling whether the meta poll analyses we are seeing have any basis in reality.

And then there's the question of whether the poll results from established operations are valid, given that some polls traditionally, and consistently, lean right or left.

And I still have the problem that despite the neck and neck race the media is portraying, Silver and others put the "probability" of an Obama win at 80+%.

Back in the day when "journalism" was actually taught and respected....(I quit because I did not want to compete with my fiancee in the same field. Little did I know the field would disappear to be replaced with 'media reporters')

What you have done is the sort investigation real journalists DO. Assemble the facts, dig into the truth, expose the lies. I wish my words could express the warmth in my heart that your work has engendered. This is what the free press was supposed to do. I wish it still did.

And funny too! "By the age of 14, I had read several books"...

He's the one weighting Gravis's polls so fondly, so isn't he the one who should see this expose?

But I'm not stopping at Nate. This story is either going to be HUGE and absolutely blow up or be totally ignored. I'm contacting my friend who works with The Young Turks next, they'll run with this one. I will be sending this to a bunch of bloggers I like too, one of them has questioned GravMark''s results a few times in the recent past...

Nice to have you aboard.

Hope Nate Silver is being copied on all this.

And thanks again grantcart and your group.

Which leads me to an obvious question: Are they the only one? Doesn't stand to reason Rove & co would put all their eggs in one basket. Perhaps Gravis is merely a smokescreen. Their operation is so amateurish, perhaps Rove & co KNEW they'd be outed, thus diverting attention from bigger and more professional fish?

Shore do hope someone in the MSM runs with all of this.....

one? And if Nate Silver wants to stay relevant, he needs to comment on this and stop using these polls from now on.

I would not be surprised if the same people who funded Breitbart aned O'Keefe et al, funded this phony operation. They always seem to pick people like this, O'Keefe eg, who are willing to lie and have shady histories.

Keep it coming!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/15/1144688/-Gravis-Marketing-Exposed-AND-Eviscerated

How is Doug Kaplan paying for all of this? I remember reading a quote where he stated that he was basically paying for this out of his own pocket (Office space, telecom equipment & service, employees....that is unless he really is just getting the numbers given to him, and he creates a polling release, along with the subsequent data off of that)? I can think of absolutely NO way that he can be paying for all of this, unless he is discretely being given some PAC money, or is an individual's/groups puppet.

I've done a little (OK, a more than a little) digging into this, and it seems that Doug not only has no other job, but actually owes (liens/garnishments) the IRS, as well as a few banks/mortgage lenders (foreclosure) to the tune of $350,000 (or more. $350k is all I've discovered so far, can post proof/links if need be).

Grantcart, let me know if you would like me to forward you (not enough posts/reply's to use DU mail ) the financial information/documents I have (a few criminal dockets as well). I prefer to have you post them up, as you've done such a great job with Gravis already, and I'd prefer to a) not bury the financial part of this in a comment, and b) better to keep this in as few posts as possible, so probably better off in your next follow-up, as opposed to me starting a new thread.

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