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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo Arlen "magic bullet" Specter has passed
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Personally I think it would have been interesting to hear his account of how the theory was arrived at. I would love to have his insight as to the physics of the bullet in question were explained to him and how it could do so much damage to tissue and bone without the deformation one would expect.
I had hopes that these guys would reveal the insider's view of the story as they passed on. It would be an important artifact we will never have as anther participant in the Warren Commission has passed.
Maybe my kids will learn what remains hidden in the Church Committee report when it is finally released in 2039, I doubt I will live that long, even though I don't remember the assassination.
Logical
(22,457 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)So, there will be stories...
Logical
(22,457 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)Graceless and inappropriate on a board for progressives. You aren't logical, just a limited and intolerant presence.
Logical
(22,457 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)And, the Warren Commission Report leaves out so many facts and evidence, it's probably the last place one should look for conclusions.
H2O Man
(73,321 posts)Intolerance, as Gandhi noted, reveals a want of faith in one's cause. Thus, the snide comment was necessary to justify the rigid belief.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Personally, I find it funny that someone claims the Oswald story is fact based. He was a hell of a marksman with a cheap ass rifle getting those shots off in Guinness-record setting time.
How apropos that is the first reply.
Logical
(22,457 posts)The OP made it sound like it was 100% fact that the single gunman theory was incorrect. They said "Maybe my kids will learn the truth someday" like the truth isn't Oswald acted alone.
That was as much of a snide comment as mine is.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Coupled with knowledge of physics raises enough doubt about the magic bullet by itself. No need to denigrate me as a UFO chaser or other tin hatter.
But it's ok, I think you've demonstrated where your head is at and I'm not really offended by your assertions about my character.
Paladin
(28,202 posts)I went along with all the assassination conspiracies for the first 30 years or so after 11/22/63, then I realized there wasn't any "there" there, nothing anywhere close to a convincing refutation of Oswald acting alone with that crappy old Italian rifle. If not having a definitive notion of who killed JFK is the worst disappointment I have when I die, I'll figure I've done pretty well.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)New Report Says Second Gunman Fired at Kennedy
By George Lardner Jr.
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, March 26, 2001; Page A03
The House Assassinations Committee may have been right after all: There was a shot from the grassy knoll.
That was the key finding of the congressional investigation that concluded 22 years ago that President John F. Kennedy's murder in Dallas in 1963 was "probably . . . the result of a conspiracy." A shot from the grassy knoll meant that two gunmen must have fired at the president within a split-second sequence. Lee Harvey Oswald, accused of firing three shots at Kennedy from a perch at the Texas School Book Depository, could not have been in two places at once.
A special panel of the National Academy of Sciences subsequently disputed the evidence of a fourth shot, contained on a police dictabelt of the sounds in Dealey Plaza that day. The panel insisted it was simply random noise, perhaps static, recorded about a minute after the shooting while Kennedy's motorcade was en route to Parkland Hospital.
A new, peer-reviewed article in Science and Justice, a quarterly publication of Britain's Forensic Science Society, says the NAS panel's study was seriously flawed. It says the panel failed to take into account the words of a Dallas patrolman that show the gunshot-like noises occurred "at the exact instant that John F. Kennedy was assassinated."
--more--
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/JFK/bbcgrassy.htm
TomClash
(11,344 posts). . . to hate Sherlock Holmes, Yoga and string theory!
Bake
(21,977 posts)If you have to invent multiple dimensions and multiple universes to make the math work, there MIGHT be a problem with string theory.
Bake
Pat Speer
(38 posts)It appears as though your grasp of the facts is about as strong as your grasp of spelling. The plural of "conspiracy theory" is "conspiracy theories" not "conspiracy theory's." That's nitpicking, I know. But your spelling error is reflective of the fact you haven' done your homework, and should be more tolerant of those that have.
Here is a chapter in which I discuss the FBI and Secret Service re-enactments of the JFK shooting. These were performed in December 1963, at a time when no one had any reason to believe the Warren Commission would double-check their work. These re-enactments prove that the FBI and Secret Service were either lying or grossly incompetent. Now, you can take your pick. But you can't pretend that there is no reason to question the "official" story Oswald acted alone, this story being told by such obvious liars or incompetents.
http://www.patspeer.com/chapter2b%3Athesecretservicesecrets
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)facts: forensic analysis of recovered bullet fragments links them conclusively to Oswald's rifle, the trajectory from the sixth-floor window matches that of a bullet that probably did in fact wound both Kennedy and Connally (nothing magic about it; Connally was seated below and inboard of Kennedy on a jump seat, not directly in front of and on the same level as, as shown in the misleading Oliver Stone film "JFK" ; eyewitnesses place Oswald at the scene, and in nearly fifty years no compelling alternative explanation supported by a single shred of forensic evidence has appeared. Conclusion: Oswald did it, and he acted alone.
There's a difference between "independent thought" and conspiracy theorism that rejects the established facts as inconvenient.
Pat Speer
(38 posts)The single-bullet trajectory does not align as well as you think it does.
The Secret Service told the Warren Commission the jump seat was 6 inches inboard from the door when the specs for the limo eventually released proved it was but 2 1/2 inches inboard of the door.
This didn't stop Dale Myers and Vincent Bugliosi from continuing to pretend it was 6 inches inboard from the door, of course.
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)A&E or one of the cable TV channels presented that a few years ago.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)It's funny that the Single Bullet theory aka The Magic Bullet was created with the word theory in it, by Specter and that the conspiracy theorists were in fact the ones that created that fantasy.
and on a personal note-
Rest in peace to my favorite poster and board friend, Mr Jim on another site, who died of cancer in his 40s, about two years ago, leaving behind a wife and kids.
Who did not believe in conspiracy theories whatsoever. But did however believe in conspiracies.
He would not even have been 50 years old yet. Rest in peace MrJim
It reminds me of the words of President George Herbert Walker Bush at the funeral of
Gerald (fellow member of the Warren commission) Ford (the only vice president and the first president who was never elected just selected)
Arlen by the way also led the impeachment in the senate hearings to oust Clinton after the house impeached him
and Arlen went against OUR TEDDY Kennedy in the hearings of Clarence Thomas before he was elevated to the Supreme Court.
a shout out of love to Anita Hill btw.
GoneOffShore
(17,309 posts)But HootnHoller wasn't being surly, surely?
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Raster
(20,996 posts)...wishing to explore the truth. Even saying or writing the word "truth" opens the door to ridicule. As if truth were something to deride, something to fear.
The only people who fear the truth, fear that their beliefs will be shown to not be the truth.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)I heard that Arlen was wanting all those secret records of the JFK era to be released. Guess someone was lying, eh?
That's what is the most telling. That there are secrets that we are not being told. Anyone condoning that bullshit can go fuck themselves.
And as for Arlen, himself? I was sad to see him leave... so late in life. He should have quit a few decades ago. He was part of the problem we have had to live with: the republican nightmare.
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)When the report is released in its entirety.
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)... and at half mast. He served PA well.
REP
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hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Thanks.
Pat Speer
(38 posts)The middle part of the discussion at the link below is a thorough dissection of whether or not Arlen Specter lied when pushing his single-bullet theory.
http://www.patspeer.com/chapter10%3Aexaminingtheexaminations
The evidence is clear that he did. We can only hope he told someone--perhaps his son Shanin--why.
cali
(114,904 posts)I find your post sickening.
BeyondGeography
(39,282 posts)Show some respect.
Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)My ex-fiancee's great-grandfather was the grand dragon of the KKK somewhere in Ohio during this time.
He supposedly took his radio to work the morning of the shooting. He never did that.
When his wife asked him about it, he replied: "The President is going to get shot today."
That's what I was told by my ex's family. Take from it what you will.