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Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:54 PM

A sinister pattern is emerging: ANOTHER CEO orders employees to vote for Rmoney or else be fired

Arthur Allen, CEO of ASG Software Solutions, emailed employees about voting for Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney, suggesting their jobs may be at stake if they donít.

In the email, obtained by MSNBC's "Up w/ Chris Hayes," Allen asked his employees to "give us one more chance to stay independent by voting in a new President and administration," noting that "that chance goes away" if Obama stays in office.

"If we fail as a nation to make the right choice on November 6th, and we lose our independence as a company, I donít want to hear any complaints regarding the fallout that will most likely come," Allen wrote to workers at ASG, a company that has over 1,000 employees and 70 offices.

The email is similar to one Westgate Resorts CEO David Siegel sent to his employees arguing that the presidentís reelection would ďthreaten" their jobs. Seigel later said he "didn't try to intimidate anybody" with his email, insisting that the loss of their jobs would be a certainty if Obama is reelected this November.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/14/arthur-allen-romney-email_n_1963965.html

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Reply A sinister pattern is emerging: ANOTHER CEO orders employees to vote for Rmoney or else be fired (Original post)
meow2u3 Oct 2012 OP
ananda Oct 2012 #1
savannah43 Oct 2012 #51
exboyfil Oct 2012 #76
treestar Oct 2012 #2
Drale Oct 2012 #7
Confusious Oct 2012 #13
Drale Oct 2012 #15
newspeak Oct 2012 #18
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schmice Oct 2012 #36
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newspeak Oct 2012 #45
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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:57 PM

1. So, since this sinister trend has been made public..

.. where is the DOJ?

Activists? Protesters?

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Response to ananda (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:54 PM

51. Trace their background, etc., on the 'net. Then put them on your list of companies

to never do any business with, adding other business enterprises who do business with them. Hit them where it hurts--their profits and their reputations. Remember--it's our money they are trying to suck out of our pockets. Don't give it to them.
You can start here: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/ASG-Software-Solutions-1058777/about

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Response to savannah43 (Reply #51)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 06:02 AM

76. But who except uninformed sheep

would ever do business with Westgate (high pressure timeshare operation)?

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:57 PM

2. There's no way how they voted can be proven to their employer

Maybe if they are impressionable enough, they'll think they'll lose their job if Rmoney doesn't win and vote for him to keep their jobs.

Sounds like the business may be failing and they want another excuse. But only the terminally dull would not realize this company has been there through the first four years, so its sudden demise would be ridiculous.

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Response to treestar (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:09 PM

7. He's not threatening to fire them on the spot

He's claiming that if Obama is reelected the economy will go to shit and he will be forced to "downsize" his company.

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Response to Drale (Reply #7)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:25 PM

13. He's got it backwards

If Romney is elected the economy will go to shit, and he'll only have his cushy bank accounts in the caimans to fall back on, and his employees will be fucked.

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Response to Confusious (Reply #13)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:26 PM

15. We know that

but repukes only see what they are told to see.

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Response to Confusious (Reply #13)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:53 PM

18. actually, I think some of these companies already plan to move

and their employees may already be screwed. the repugs wouldn't pass a bill to give incentives to businesses using american labor and still want perks for corporations moving labor overseas. it doesn't matter if the president wins or mittens to them. If obama wins they'll just make an excuse, "see we got to move our business, we can't afford you employees." if mitten wins, "well we have no incentive to stay here, so we still get perks moving labor overseas." I think they are using an excuse.

there's an ad with the home depot owner that just sickens me. he had a benefit for little boots and now he's on the telly talking about how business people should be in the administration instead of those educated economists. because, hey, business people like little boots and his friends are what this country needs. it's these con artist, greedy, sociopathic business people that got us into this mess in the first place; especially since little boots believed allowing his friends to police themselves was okay.

anyway this guy has the audacity of going on the telly and spouting this bullshite-bullshite that got us here. I'm thinking he just wants to finish us off.

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Response to newspeak (Reply #18)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:03 PM

20. +++++

yep--

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Response to newspeak (Reply #18)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:57 PM

36. Well said

 

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Response to newspeak (Reply #18)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:52 PM

49. yep, Covering their bases and Nothing is Their Fault. They are blameless either way.

It's just good business

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Response to Drale (Reply #7)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:33 PM

17. Exactly but then how come that's so for this company?

The economy hasn't shut down in the last 4 years so there is no reason there would be a sudden change, and in addition to that, the economy has improved by any objective measures. I hope the employees are not that stupid. Again, I bet that company is failing anyway and the guy wants to find someone to blame other than himself.

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Response to Drale (Reply #7)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 05:41 PM

62. doesn't matter how he says it, he's illegally influencing

the vote and if Eric Holder did his job, we wouldn't be sitting here three or four weeks from the election seeing this crap happening.

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Response to treestar (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:36 PM

30. NO. this is really happening. It has nothing to do with the company. My building is owned by a man

who owns 50+ large buildings, and as many parking lots. He has more money than he knows what to do with. There is more than enuogh for the enxt 20 generations of his family. the company is telling all of the workers to vote Romney. they are whispering about it. because it made them so uncomfortable.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #30)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:18 PM

44. Voter intimidation

Perhaps someone should make a case against him.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #30)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 04:32 PM

60. Yeah, though do they really think the company will go under

if Obama wins? If he's planning on selling up and retiring, then this is something he can use to make the point. Otherwise he has no interest in closing up business just because Obama got a second term.

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Response to treestar (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 10:05 PM

109. I don't think this suggests a business is failing. I sounds like coersion.

Creating an intimidating environment, in which the boss says that if you don't vote for x, and x doesn't win, the corporation will lose money and your job will be at risk.

Ironically, I live in a state with still active blue laws (prohibition era), that disallows the sale of alcohol while the polls are open. Why? Because in the way back when machine there was a concern that votes could be bought, by offering free drinks.

That is a far less coercive tactic than this: implicity saying that your economic stability is thrown up into the air, unless you vote the way I (CEO) dictates.

This is about a very wealthy person attempting to scare (per one's economic existence) employees into voting a particular way, giving that one threatening voice, a multitude of votes - beyond the one that he/she exercises at the voting booth.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:01 PM

3. It's the same thing companies do when their employees try to Unionize

They make hysterical claims about how they will be forced to fire people or move the company. Of course it's intimidation!

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Response to Teamster Jeff (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:29 PM

28. Exactly, and bullying employees can backfire.

I bet that causes more employees to switch their votes from Republican to Democratic rather than the opposite.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #28)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:58 PM

55. My resume would be on the street pronto. n/t

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:04 PM

4. Feudalism

The robber barons hate it when we peasants misbehave.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:04 PM

5. They must think their employees adore and respect them

Otherwise, this could really backfire.

Most employers I've had, if they told me to vote for clear skies, I'd run out and vote for rain.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:05 PM

6. The CEOs wanted their employees to support capitalism

they should have cut them in for some of the profits.

The old-time capitalists understood this.

The nuevo capitalists are dumber than a rock.

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:24 PM

25. "The old-time capitalists understood this." Just when was THIS halcyon time of yore??

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Response to aletier_v (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:28 PM

69. Exactly

A piece of the action motivates employees more than all the coercion in the universe.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:10 PM

8. Look what this job creator (snark) Allen did in 2007. From a msg. board.

"Is anyone out there aware of the mass layoff of Mobius employees that occurred at its Rye headquarters Friday evening, 6/15? This was the same day that ASG's takeover of Mobius became final. Mobius, a publicly traded software firm, had recently celebrated its 25th year in business. Roughly 300 employees were herded together after normal hours on Friday evening, and told they were being dismissed as "redundant". This leaves the new acquisition with only about 110-120 employees remaining nationwide. Entire divisions were eliminated or decimated. Not a sole was retained from Finance, their positions apparently all being redundant. ASG - Allen Systems Group - is a private firm headquartered in Naples Florida, wholy owned by Arthur Allen. Mr. Allen routinely acquires companies and lays off their employees, but Mobius was the largest acquisition to date. God help the non-redundant staff in Naples that presumably is going to assume the workload of all the redundant staff in Rye and other Mobius offices! How come we've heard nothing of this community calamity in the local news?"

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/rye-brook-ny/T467SCNO9DHB8LF7O

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Response to CurtEastPoint (Reply #8)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:09 PM

21. So he's already planning to fire all the employees anyway - he just wants to blame Obama.

Typical Republican trick. I've begun to really hate them. Hatred is something I try to avoid but these people are evil.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #21)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:20 PM

45. see, the employees may be already screwed

but this guy just wants to have his "cake and eat it too." he wants that big tax break, instead of being a real patriot, knowing the country and the people need help. he's just another sociopath thinking out what's good for him.

the way i'm feeling about now, they should nationalize some "too big to fail" corporations for the good of the people in this country. but, oh no, we can't do that, it's better to have predatory capitalism. hell, some in our government have had a hand in murdering democratically elected leaders who just think about the welfare of their people over those of a global corporation. I think the majority of the american people are so screwed with the insane, greedheads, attempting to run the show.

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Response to CurtEastPoint (Reply #8)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:36 PM

31. this is SOP in the software acquisition biz


The company I was working for was acquired...we were only kept around for knowledge transfer..and then let go..

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:11 PM

9. There ought to be a law

The American worker is already working for less than he/she is worth, harder and for more hours than ever before and these sons of bitches want to co-opt our precious, private right to elect our leaders? They want to control our bodies, the school curriculum of our children, privatize anything good and decent left to us by prior governments...what's next, signing labor contracts for our first born children?

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Response to LiveNudePolitics (Reply #9)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:13 PM

12. "what's next, signing labor contracts for our first born children?"

Already a done deal, it's called the National Debt.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:12 PM

10. As I told one of my employers, many years ago,

before I decided only to work for myself, "I was looking for work when I got this job, too." He had threatened to fire me over some misunderstanding where he was actually incorrect.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:12 PM

11. what an ingenious plan...

...to axe some jobs post-election...putting even more money in the pockets of the super rich. Man, these guys never cease to amaze with their money making schemes.

(?)

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:26 PM

14. Another reason the polls may be leaning right.

How many of those employees are afraid those calls aren't coming from the boss to check up on them?

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #14)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:50 PM

35. that's a really good point!

I know I'd lie about my vote to anybody who asked, if I were one of these workers.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:31 PM

16. I'd like the Justice Dept to take a look at this - it can't possibly be legal. nt

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #16)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:10 PM

22. Unfortunately, it probably is legal. Covered under the First Amendment.

If the employer actually followed people to the polls and attempted to intimidate their vote right there in the polling place, then that would be illegal.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #22)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:29 PM

26. Do you think there might be something in labor law that covers this?

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #26)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:36 PM

63. I don't have the expertise to know one way or the other. I would be interested to hear.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:58 PM

19. The diehard, capitalist hating DU members need to rethink.

Would you rather have a motherfucker like Arthur Allen holding the nation's purse-strings, or would you rather have the good capitalist that you despise holding the fucking purse-strings? Clueless bullshit has consequences.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #19)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:12 PM

23. If capitalist want public support, they can share profits in ratio to productivity

they decided to quit doing that, en mass, about thirty years ago and society has finally reacted,

and is contemplating shutting them down.

Totally predicable, and if they were really so brilliant, they should have seen it coming and prevented it.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #19)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:17 PM

24. Somebody's got an ax to grind.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:29 PM

27. If they are not in the ballot box with you, how are they going to know who voted for anyway?

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Response to HipChick (Reply #27)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:39 PM

32. It can stil be intimidating. It creates fear. not everyone uses all of that logic when thier livelih

livelihood is being threatened.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #32)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:41 PM

33. my employer told me I was going to be fired...


I showed up everyday for the next 9 months...

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Response to HipChick (Reply #33)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:07 PM

39. yes, but if you are poor, undeducated, perhaps have a child who needs extra help, and

losing your job might mean going without food or healthcare, things can feel different.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:33 PM

29. **This is ILLEGAL UNDER FEDERAL LAW:**

Economic coercion and intimidation

When employers speak out, employees always listen carefully for even the subtlest hints as to what kind of behavior will be rewarded or punished. This is all the more true in an economy where so many Americans feel insecure about their economic future. For this reason, federal election law maintains a blanket prohibition on private companies telling their employees which candidate they should support. Even making more nuanced statements - such as suggestions that if one party or the other triumphs, business may suffer and workers may have to be laid off - is illegal under federal law.

http://www.americanrightsatwork.org/publications/general/neither-free-nor-fair.html

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #29)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:42 PM

34. should be interesting

 

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #29)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:14 PM

43. Then someone should remind the Department of Justice

about this. The lawyers on Chris Hayes Up this morning said it wasn't against the law.

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Response to EC (Reply #43)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 04:13 PM

58. the Dept of justice could care less about elections. They were supposed to investigate the Florida f

fraud. big nothing. citizens blew the whistle, 4 months after Holder was supposed to invesigate...

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #58)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 06:04 AM

77. Holder doesn't plan to stay, does he?

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #29)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 04:31 PM

59. This should go before the Supreme Court.

But after Citizens United I am not sure...

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:03 PM

37. If I were a bettin' man...

... I'd wager those dickheads just put most of their employees into the Dem column.

Freakin' idiots, keep it comin'.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:06 PM

38. This cannot or should not be legal.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:10 PM

40. Dictating how his workers should vote?

Saddam would be proud.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:11 PM

41. How is that not creating a hostile work environment?

There must be some way this isn't legal.

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Response to EC (Reply #41)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 04:00 PM

56. I'm really fed up with these little tin gods. Employees need to wake up in this

country and tell assholes like this to fuck-off. American workers have become little lambs.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:13 PM

42. This is some despicable shit. It's basically a threat, and I can't see how

it can be legal.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:29 PM

46. This crap has to be stopped. Surely there is some legal violation here?

 

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:36 PM

47. I'm tellin ya....

 

...these bastards are gonna keep this up until they finally piss off the wrong employee who'll decide that they've had enough of being bullied by rich-ass pricks, figure that they no longer have any options and off the SOB. Until there are consequences for their behavior they'll keep on keepin on pushing people around.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:37 PM

48. Mozilo did the same at Countrywide in 1996

It started with a recorded message to executives and managers that then filtered down to the employees. My specific department was pretty much split between Clinton and GHWB. When Clinton was elected, the next day I laughed and laughed.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:52 PM

50. We need to broaden the definition of extortion to include trying to extort votes.

Penal Code

518. Extortion is the obtaining of property from another, with his
consent, or the obtaining of an official act of a public officer,
induced by a wrongful use of force or fear, or under color of
official right.


519. Fear, such as will constitute extortion, may be induced by a
threat, either:
1. To do an unlawful injury to the person or property of the
individual threatened or of a third person; or,
2. To accuse the individual threatened, or any relative of his, or
member of his family, of any crime; or,
3. To expose, or to impute to him or them any deformity, disgrace
or crime; or,
4. To expose any secret affecting him or them.

www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=24368617475+1+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve

In California, an employee fired for such a reason should talk to a lawyer because he might have a claim against the employer depending on the circumstances. If the employer just throws a huge unpatriotic temper tantrum and shuts down, maybe not.

And in Ohio. . . . also maybe not.

http://www.sjlaboremploymentblog.com/ohio-limits-employee-breach-of-public-policy-claims/

While we spend a lot of time on other issues, we ignore the fact that employees in the workplace need to protect their rights with new laws that limit the employer's ability to just fire at will.

Bain and Romney took advantage of their "right" to fire at will. No one wants to be enslaved to a job, but there should be some standard that can be enforced that requires responsibility on the part not only of the employee to the employer (to get to work on time, to work the hours required, to be honest, etc.) but on the employer to the employee.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #50)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 08:17 PM

66. And make it punishable by life imprisonment

Along with some very large fines. Fines that will bankrupt the company and the families of the people doing the intimidation.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:55 PM

52. FUCKTHIS GUY! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! n/t

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:57 PM

53. Nobody goes into the voting booth with you. So this postering means nothing.

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Response to ywcachieve (Reply #53)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:38 PM

65. Exactly. Most people are not so easily swayed when voting is done in secret.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:58 PM

54. so will these CEOs guarantee no one will be fired for the next for years if romney wins? I call

them bullshit

romney's policies will be the same as bush, he has the bush advisors on his team, and we all know how good the bush administration was on American job

NOT

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 04:03 PM

57. Suuuuuuuuure I voted for Romney, boss! uhhuh nt

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Response to OhZone (Reply #57)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 02:03 AM

72. Yes, Siree! I voted for Romney, I don't know how that Obama won! Not my fault!

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Response to OhZone (Reply #57)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 11:54 AM

94. Exactly!

Used to work for a company that did this, but on a smaller scale. They would always send out a list of local candidates that were "business friendly" and say the "company" was endorsing those candidates. To this day, I still get angry when I think about it, and that was over 20 years ago!

But I always just said - "oh, thank you"...and then voted how *I* wanted to vote. Screw 'em!

I agree that I think there should be some limits placed on employers' abilities to do this sort of thing. It amounts to attempted coercion at the very least.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 04:44 PM

61. Is that a threat or a promise?

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:36 PM

64. This would personally make me say, "Yes, sir" and then turn around

and quietly vote for Obama just to show him I can't be pushed around.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:06 PM

67. Same employers who work employees 39 1/2 hours and call it part-time..

 

Then they make you work at 3 a.m. and tell you to go home at 4 p.m. and work you until you are sick.

The American workforce has been reduced to WORSE than prison labor.. yet no one complains?

I don't get it...

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:53 PM

68. The Federal government should be able to employ these 1000 employess in jobs to help the nation.

A new campaign needs to be started across the country against companies that would want to destroy the US from within by firing employees for political reasons. All government subsidies and benefits to these companies should be stopped and we the people should stop doing business with them or buying their products. It would take some effort, but it could be done. And the government should help any small business that wants to take over there market products.

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #68)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:46 PM

70. Boycott list

I`m game to start e-mailing and boycotting any of the companies that are doing this. I would love to tell them off in an e-mail.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 12:52 AM

71. That's So Laughable .. Can anybody say fascism ?


"If we fail as a nation to make the right choice on November 6th, and we lose our independence as a company, I donít want to hear any complaints regarding the fallout that will most likely come,"

No, what he is really saying is: he might have to cover your health insurance and pay more taxes.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 02:17 AM

73. Typical Rethuglican trick

And yes it can cause problems. As an OFA supporter, I still have the right to vote for the candidate of my choice, but would create friction and jeopardize my job if I discussed my feelings with my coworkers.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 02:25 AM

74. When people are scared and insecure

they will not bat an eye at voting in a way that they believe will harm their security.

This is definitely a Rovian idea. They weren't winning on message, they weren't winning on likeability...but they could very well win on fear...fear of losing their jobs and their homes.

I don't think this can be undone by the Justice Department. You can't just undo this.


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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 05:59 AM

75. Isn't this illegal?

Last edited Mon Oct 15, 2012, 09:41 AM - Edit history (1)

Obama must REALLY be threatening to unleash his true Progressive side for real if these guys are acting up like this.
Obama's gonna make the rich pay more taxes, their overdue fair share.
With Warren Buffett up there making words about him paying less than his secretary, these CEOs must have started to get worried.

In my opinion his lowest max amount should be 50%.
Roosevelt made 'em pay 94% when it was all said & done.
They haven't gotten over that since.
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Reply #75)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 07:01 AM

78. My head has been going in this direction lately,

make them pay for all the problems they have created, and for all the disunity they have fostered. To create evil and then be forced to pay to create balance may cause a rethink. But I thought 65% had a more pleasant sound.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 07:50 AM

79. If someone did this to me I would be thinking ...

about how much damage I could do to their business from the inside.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 08:26 AM

80. Why isn't this Illegal?

They should be held to the highest extent of the law. It's blackmail.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 08:40 AM

81. One guy. One thousand workers. He couldn't do it w/o their cooperation. n/t

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 08:55 AM

82. Where's the NLRB?

WE don't live in fucking China yet do we?

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 09:04 AM

83. My husband works for their competitor in Naples, Florida

Allen has a VERY BAD reputation around here. A few of their former employees work now work with my husband. They tell stories all the time about what a horrible place it is to work for. CHEAP, no raises, runs the place like a dictator.

There was a big scandal a while ago about them trying to get info from their rival company's employees concerning their new software. Their employees were posing as potential customers from major corporations wanting to buy the new software.

That this CEO is saying this doesn't surprise me at all. I need to send this to my husband. I am sure the owners of his company will get a good laugh from this article.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #83)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 09:19 AM

85. If there is anything we can do to support his compeititor

please let us know. If I was a buyer and knew about this, I would steer clear of that company. Any CEO or President of a company that threatens employees over their right to vote should be put in jail for life.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 09:11 AM

84. Bush was a "business man!" Elect all Democrats to give us the House and at least 60 real Dems

in the Senate to stop the obstructionism and you will see REAL IMPROVEMENT in our jobs numbers and in this country! At least until the 1% bribes enough Dems to F things up!

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 10:09 AM

86. How exactly does the company 'lose independence' if Obama wins?

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Response to Chary II (Reply #87)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 10:57 AM

92. Both sides?? ....... You must have some facts or links??

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Response to Chary II (Reply #87)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 02:07 PM

100. BullSHIT.

Where's your proof that any democratic business owner has done this? Or are you just spreading repuke lies?

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 10:25 AM

88. Two CEOs does not a pattern make. What you got there are two assholes.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 10:26 AM

89. Spam deleted by CaliforniaPeggy (MIR Team)

 

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 10:46 AM

90. This may backfire on them.


Yahoo! has a story about a Koch making the same threat. And the comments, which are usually primarily Rightist on Yahoo!, are 100% opposed to these threats. I did not see a single post from a Rightist defending this shit (though I did not look at all the replies to the posts). People appear to be seeing this for the threat it is, and most people don't like those who threaten them.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 10:51 AM

91. Arthur Allen, CEO/Dear Leader

What a POS.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 11:44 AM

93. Repubs aren't all that smart, even the "smart" ones - I'd tell him I voted Romney, but

vote for Obama instead, thus preserving my job so I can take care of me and my family until I could find another job without a wingnut as CEO.

He won't be there with me when I vote, so he can't force his demands to be met so this would be a non-issue for me.

Given all the jobs that are leaving the U.S. for other countries, I'd be surprised if people would come to the conclusion that Mr. "Outsourcing, No Tax Paying, Go use ER insurance if you are dying, otherwise take your slower deaths elsewhere and get your concerns off my lawn" Romney will be the man who will see that their jobs are secure after this fall election.

I'd just delete the email and move on...to another work place whenever it becomes possible. What a simply lousy thing to do to your employees.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 12:16 PM

95. I have a business owner acquaintance who claims if Obama is reelected it will "destroy" his business

One of the dad's on my son's baseball team HATES Obama and when I ask why he says "My business won't survive if Obama is re-elected". But he can't explain why, other than saying vague things like "his taxes will kill my business" or "his socialist agenda". This guy has a sanitation business (porta-potties). I honestly don't understand how re-electing Obama can cause this guys business harm. Maybe he's thinking that having to pay for employee's insurance will cut into his bottom line?? (Obamacare?). I wish we could have an honest discussion about this because I truly like to understand other people's points of view--but the guy can never give me an answer that make sense. FYI, I've voted for 5 Presidents in my life: 3 Republican's and 2 Democrats. I'm pretty firmly in the Democrat camp now after the George W. Bush era. I was a moderate Republican before they went off the deep end with the religious right and neocons. I mention that only because I honestly DO vote for the person and not the party. Coming from the point of view I simply cannot understand the visceral hatred of Obama and apparently blindness to facts. And from people who are nice, intelligent, "normal" people--except in this one area.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 01:31 PM

96. Perhaps

Perhaps the Justice Department should get involved....

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 01:34 PM

97. and

Seriously, do you really think if the current President is elected, ANYONE risk losing any business because he was reelected. This is just a scare tactic to TRY and steal the election. I bet you $10,000, this idiots claiming they will fire everyone if Obama gets reelected will never be heard from after the election.....

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 02:05 PM

98. Why aren't these assholes being prosecuted?

For christ's sake.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 02:06 PM

99. First ...

If it is unlawful, during Union Certification campaigns, for an employer to attempt to influence the vote by saying, or even overtly imply, that if the Certification campaign is syccessful, he/she will close up shop, why isn't it unlawful to do the same thing with regards to a national election?

Secondly, this guy talks about a romney victory would improve the global economy, and therefore allow his company continue its "consolidations" (read: job/wage destruction) future; when everything romney has planned, i.e., austerity for the working class; while leaving the investor class untouched, is at the root of what is keeping the global economy de/re-cessed.

Finally,

Remember, in the world of business, companies are consolidators or they get consolidated; so far ASG has been a consolidator, completing over 60 acquisitions in our 26 year history. When we buy a company, we eliminate about 60 percent of the salaries of the employees of that company. If we lose our independence and get consolidated, the same thing would happen to ASGís employees.


Wow ... This guy proudly proclaims his business model is to burn down businesses. So much for the "job-creator" myth!

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #99)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 02:51 PM

104. That is completely absurd

I actually duped your 60 percent quote, but I think it's worth duping.

Romney types are mentally deranged. How can anyone seriously write a letter asking for their support when it's the same letter where they claim to eliminate jobs. THEY are the enemies of economic recovery. If they had any skills they'd create new products, and hire more people, not consolidate and downsize.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 02:14 PM

101. What are the odds of getting a management job thse days unless they sound like a Freeper?

Wanna bet there isn't a woman or minority anywhere in management under this guy?

I'd also bet there is at least one guy who wears suspenders and sucks cigars.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 02:46 PM

102. ASG Solutions dowsizes companies themselves!

The world would be better off without those SOBs in charge:

Their emails says straight up:

"Remember, in the world of business, companies are consolidators or they get consolidated; so far ASG has been a consolidator, completing over 60 acquisitions in our 26 year history. When we buy a company, we eliminate about 60 percent of the salaries of the employees of that company."

These are really bad people, running some vague "solutions" company offering nothing innovative, just feeding off the success of others.

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 02:47 PM

103. Got voter intimidation?

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 04:43 PM

105. Since when is extortion legal in the USofA?

This needs to be called out and if not a crime yet, to be made a crime.

This has ALEC's fingerprints all over it, we know who they are, and this
needs to get called out during debates, and the subject of hearings in
Congress, etc..

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 07:26 PM

107. DOJ I am waiting

this is ilegal under Federal Law

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 07:27 PM

108. Speaking of sinister patterns?

Have you noticed how many fast food places (i.e. McDonalds, several pizza estabilshments, et al) that have televisions all have Fox News tuned in as its station of choice?

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Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

Tue Oct 16, 2012, 10:06 AM

110. Democracy doesn't extend to the workplace

These guys think they can order people to vote their way by threatening their economic lives. Shows how little regard they have for democracy.

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