Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:52 AM
Howler (3,750 posts)
Woo Hoo!!! Catholic academics come out against Ryan budget and Smack Down Ayn Rand Too!!!! :)
Catholic academics come out against Ryan budget and Ayn Rand.
My friend who is a tenured professor at University Of Dayton sent this to me. She is the Co-Editor, Philosophy of Peace (Special Book Series in VIBS, published by Rodopi) Associate Professor of Philosophy University of Dayton She said “I thought you all my be interested in the statement signed by over 150 U.S. Catholic academics (I'm one of the signers, as well as 9 other UD Faculty) on concerns about the Ryan budget. It's an interesting summary of Catholic Social Teaching, and as a bonus, if you want to irritate anyone who's supporting Romney-Ryan you can forward the statement to them too!” http://www.onourshoulders.org/ This second link is to a French article about the statement! http://www.lavie.fr/chroniques/matinale-chretienne/des-theologiens-americains-entrent-dans-la-bataille-electorale-11-10-2012-31883_167.php Once social change begins, it cannot be reversed. You cannot un-educate the person who has learned to read. You cannot humiliate the person who feels pride. You cannot oppress the people who are not afraid anymore.----Cesar Chavez
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| Howler | Oct 2012 | OP | |
| Patiod | Oct 2012 | #1 | |
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| Howler | Oct 2012 | #4 | |
| proverbialwisdom | Oct 2012 | #5 | |
| Howler | Oct 2012 | #6 | |
| elleng | Oct 2012 | #7 | |
| Howler | Oct 2012 | #10 | |
| Populist_Prole | Oct 2012 | #8 | |
| Howler | Oct 2012 | #11 | |
| mrmpa | Oct 2012 | #9 | |
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| Howler | Oct 2012 | #21 | |
| Myrina | Oct 2012 | #13 | |
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Response to Howler (Original post)
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:24 PM
Patiod (11,511 posts)
1. I spoke about this at my Dad's funeral last month
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Last edited Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:25 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) He was a very public-spirited Democrat, and I said "He loved to debate different issues with his fellow Democrats and with his old-time Republican friends. His politics might be described as whatever the opposite of a Libertarian would be. He believed in community. He believed in Lion’s Club and public schools and PTA – in fact he chaired the big fundraiser at our local elementary one year. He believed it was his obligation to help others, and that people who think only of themselves and their own families and their own money are deeply impoverished people, no matter what their back balance is."
I also described a lot of work he had done with several schools in an impoverished area of Philadelphia. I kept harping on that theme, starting with choosing Matthew 25:14-31 which isn't usually used at funerals because it's pretty harsh (the sheep and the goats, and the people who ignore the needy going to hell). On the way out of Church, the Bishop (my Dad's former pastor) who sat on the altar during the Mass, stopped and publicly reiterated what I said, and called people to follow my dad's example and get involved in their communities and in help the less fortunate. I'm sure I disagree with 90% of the Bishop's politics, but at least we're of one mind on the Ryan budget. |
Response to Patiod (Reply #1)
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:30 PM
Howler (3,750 posts)
2. I Love you're Dad Patiod! :)
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Trust me when I say that my friend who is a professor at U.D. is a very lefty liberal has are all my friends who teach.
The Catholics have always had a presence here in Dayton of working with the disadvantaged Saint Vincent De Paul's has had a shelter for the homeless for as long has I can remember. It also offers free health care for the homeless as well has services to help them get back up on their feet. |
Response to Howler (Reply #2)
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:38 PM
Patiod (11,511 posts)
3. The Church has tried to quash its liberal wing
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It's been doing it for years.
I remember going to Midnight Peace Vigils against the Vietnam War at my parents Catholic Church (which is probably why I'm a Quaker now). The rich Republicans in the parish protested loudly to the Archdiocese, and as punishment, they ended up sending the priest who sponsored them to a congregation in a horribly poor area of inner-city Philadelphia (little understanding that he was probably happier there then he was in the affluent 'burbs). But some in the Church still cling to traditions such as helping the poor and preaching about the rich man and the eye of the needle, something the "prosperity gospel" church people will NEVER hear. One of my dad's friends, who goes to Mass every day, marched with Cesar Chavez. THAT'S the Church that my liberal friends who are still Catholic are hoping (against all odds) that they can reclaim. |
Response to Patiod (Reply #3)
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:44 PM
Howler (3,750 posts)
4. Thats the Catholic church I'm familiar with too Patiod
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Considering I'm not Catholic but worked side by side with the catholic community out reach programs.
I'm 53 and for me The Kennedy's represented this side of Catholicism before this "me first" malaise set in. |
Response to Howler (Original post)
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:45 PM
proverbialwisdom (1,601 posts)
5. Daily Beast writer Laura Ashburn tries to bash Ryan's critics at Georgetown University.
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/20/some-catholic-leaders-speaking-out-against-paul-ryan-s-budget-cutting.html
Some Catholic Leaders Speaking Out Against Paul Ryan’s Budget-Cutting Laura Ashburn Aug 20, 2012 4:45 AM EDT ...Rep. Paul Ryan’s elevation to the Republican ticket at last has galvanized some progressive Catholic Church leaders, especially a minority band of loudmouth Jesuits at Georgetown University. They have been shoving their way into the political fray by decrying Ryan’s budget plan as insensitive to the poorest among us. Their mission: to raise the awareness of poverty to the decibel level of other hot-button media issues. “Media categorize bishops and Catholics as only concerned about sex and abortion—especially political journalists,” says Father Thomas Reese, a senior fellow with the Woodstock Theological Center at Georgetown University. He is one of 90 faculty members who wrote an open letter to Ryan criticizing his budget plan when the Wisconsin congressman came to speak three months ago. “It’s not just the journalists’ fault. The church will issue press releases to the Hill but doesn’t use a megaphone when talking about justice issues.” <...> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JRLM7Jh9PnrxptafWYENXdAmxnXd4gQJMYTu3H4TFHA/mobilebasic?pli=1
Dear Rep. Paul Ryan, Welcome to Georgetown University. We appreciate your willingness to talk about how Catholic social teaching can help inform effective policy in dealing with the urgent challenges facing our country. As members of an academic community at a Catholic university, we see your visit on April 26 for the Whittington Lecture as an opportunity to discuss Catholic social teaching and its role in public policy. However, we would be remiss in our duty to you and our students if we did not challenge your continuing misuse of Catholic teaching to defend a budget plan that decimates food programs for struggling families, radically weakens protections for the elderly and sick, and gives more tax breaks to the wealthiest few. As the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has wisely noted in several letters to Congress – “a just framework for future budgets cannot rely on disproportionate cuts in essential services to poor persons.” Catholic bishops recently wrote that “the House-passed budget resolution fails to meet these moral criteria.” In short, your budget appears to reflect the values of your favorite philosopher, Ayn Rand, rather than the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Her call to selfishness and her antagonism toward religion are antithetical to the Gospel values of compassion and love. Cuts to anti-hunger programs have devastating consequences. Last year, one in six Americans lived below the official poverty level and over 46 million Americans – almost half of them children – used food stamps for basic nutrition. We also know how cuts in Pell Grants will make it difficult for low-income students to pursue their educations at colleges across the nation, including Georgetown. At a time when charities are strained to the breaking point and local governments have a hard time paying for essential services, the federal government must not walk away from the most vulnerable. While you often appeal to Catholic teaching on “subsidiarity” as a rationale for gutting government programs, you are profoundly misreading Church teaching. Subsidiarity is not a free pass to dismantle government programs and abandon the poor to their own devices. This often misused Catholic principle cuts both ways. It calls for solutions to be enacted as close to the level of local communities as possible. But it also demands that higher levels of government provide help -- “subsidium”-- when communities and local governments face problems beyond their means to address such as economic crises, high unemployment, endemic poverty and hunger. According to Pope Benedict XVI: "Subsidiarity must remain closely linked to the principle of solidarity and vice versa.” Along with this letter, we have included a copy of the Vatican's Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church, commissioned by John Paul II, to help deepen your understanding of Catholic social teaching. Respectfully, Thomas J. Reese, S.J. Senior Fellow Woodstock Theological Center Maurice Jackson Associate Professor of History and African American Studies Department of History Angelyn Mitchell, PhD Associate Professor of English and African American Studies Department of English Dolores R. Leckey Senior Research Fellow Woodstock Theological Center Raymond B. Kemp Senior Fellow Woodstock Theological Center Thomas Michel, S.J., Ph.D. Senior Fellow Woodstock Theological Center Rita M. Rodriguez, MBA, PhD Senior Fellow Woodstock Theological Center Hope LeGro Director, Georgetown Languages Georgetown University Press Jackie Beilhart Publicist Georgetown University Press John Langan, S.J. Professor of Philosophy and Catholic Social Thought Georgetown University John F Haught, PhD Senior Fellow Woodstock Theological Center Karen Stohr, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Philosophy, Senior Research Scholar, Kennedy Institute of Ethics Department of Philosophy Ilia Delio, OSF Senior Fellow Woodstock Theological Center Joseph Schad, Mdiv Chaplain, Mission and Pastoral Care Georgetown University Hospital J. Leon Hooper, S.J. Director, Woodstock Library Woodstock Theological Center Library Joseph A. McCartin Associate Professor of History; Director, Kalmanovitz Initiative for Labor and the Working Poor Department of History E. Hazel Denton, PhD Adjunct Professor School of Nursing and Health Studies James Walsh, SJ, Phd Associate Professor Department of Theology Scott Taylor Associate Professor School of Foreign Service Sarah C Stiles, PhD, JD Professor Department of Sociology Katherine Marshall, MPA Visiting Assistant Professor Berkley Center for Religion, Peace, and World Affairs William C. McFadden, S.J. Associate Professor of Theology Georgetown University Alan C. Mitchell, Ph.D. Associate Professor of New Testament and Christian Origins Georgetown University Rev. Dr. Joseph Palacios Adjunct Professor of Latin American Studies Center for Latin American Studies Julia A Lamm Associate Professor of Theology Theology Department Peter C. Phan, Ph.D., D.D. Professor of Catholic Social Thought Georgetown University William Rehg, SJ, PhD, MDiv, PhL, MA Professor of Philosophy Saint Louis University (visiting, Georgetown University) Diana L. Hayes, JD, PhD, STD Professor Emerita of Systematic Theology Georgetown University Edward Vacek, S.J. Visiting Scholar Woodstock Theological Center Anthony Tambasco, PhD Professor of Biblical Studies and Christian Ethics Theology Department Mark Lance, PhD Professor of Philosophy, Professor of Justice and Peace Georgetown University Robert J. Bies, PhD, MBA Professor of Management McDonough School of Management Benjamin Bogin, PhD Assistant Professor Theology Department John W. O'Malley, S.J., PhD University Professor Theology Department Lauve H. Steenhuisen, PhD Visiting Assistant Professor Theology Department Linda Ferneyhough Theology Dept. Administrator Theology Department Marilyn McMorrow Visiting Assistant Professor International Relations and Political Theory School of Foreign Service Matthew Carnes, S.J., PhD Assistant Professor of Government Georgetown University Diana Owen, PhD Associate Professor CCT/American Studies Friederike Eigler (Ph.D.) Professor of German Georgetown University College Ricardo L. Ortiz, PhD Associate Professor of English Department of English David J. Collins, S.J., S.T.L., Ph.D. Associate Professor of History Georgetown University Peter C. Pfeiffer, PhD Professor German Department Julie Finnegan Stoner Publishing Assistant Georgetown University Press Mary Helen Dupree Assistant Professor of German Georgetown University Lan Ngo, S.J., M.A., MDiv. Graduate Student Department of History Francis J. Ambrosio PhD Associate Professor of Philosohy Philosophy Department Joseph H. Neale, Ph.D. Paduano Distinguished Professor of Biology Georgetown University College Elizabeth Velez Academic Director, Community Scholars Professorial Lecturer, English Women's and Gender Studies Georgetown University College Astrid Weigert Assistant Professor of German Department of German John Rakestraw, PhD Instructor of Theology Center for New Designs in Learning & Scholarship Susan F. Martin, PhD Donald G. Herzberg Associate Professor of International Migration School of Foreign Service Eli S. McCarthy PhD Adjunct Professor of Justice and Peace Studies Center for Social Justice Veronica Salles Reese Associate Professor Spanish Department Francisca Cho, PhD Professor of Buddhist Studies Theology Department Marcia Chatelain Assistant Professor of History Georgetown University Heidi Byrnes, PhD George M. Roth Distinguished Professor of German German Department Steven R. Sabat, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology College of Arts and Sciences Marianne Lyons Assistant Dean School of Nursing & Health Studies Ladan Eshkevari, PhD, CRNA Assistant Professor Georgetown University John Kraemer, JD, MPH Assistant Professor of Health Systems Administration School of Nursing & Health Studies Jose R Teruel, MD, MPH Professor of International Health School of Nursing and Health Studies Elizabeth H. Andretta, Phd Visiting Associate Professsor Georgetown University in Qatar Jo Anne P Davis, PhD Assistant Professor, Nursing School of Nursing & Health Studies Irene Anne Jillson, PhD Assistant Professor School of Nursing and Health Studies Jeanne A. Matthews, PhD, RN Chair and Assistant Professor, Department of Nursing School of Nursing and Health Studies Justin M. Owen, BSc(Eng) Director of Medical Technologies School of Nursing & Health Studies Laura Anderko PhD RN Scanlon Endowed Chair in Values Based Health Care School of Nursing & Health Studies Michael A. Stoto, PhD Professor of Health Systems Administration and Population Health School of Nursing & Health Studies and Pubic Policy Institute Ronald Leow, Ph.D. Professor of Applied Linguistics Georgetown University Rosemary Sokas, MD, MOH Professor of Human Science School of Nursing and Health Studies Carol Taylor, PhD, RN Professor of Nursing School of Nursing and Health Studies Robert J. Barnet MD, MA Adjunct Professor of Medicine School of Medicine Leona M Fisher, Ph.D. Associate Professor of English Department of English Jane Fitz-Simons MS,RN Adjunct Faculty Nursing Georgetown University Mary Jane Mastorovich, MS Asst. Professor, Health Systems Administration Georgetown University Edilma Yearwood, PhD, RN Associate Professor of Nursing School of Nursing & Health Studies Wilfried Ver Eecke Professor in Philosophy Department of Philosophy Sylvia E. Mullins, M.A.R in Theology Graduate Student Department of History Terry Pinkard, PhD University Professor Department of Philosophy Bryce Huebner, PhD Assistant Professor of Philosophy Georgetown University Judith Baigis, PhD, RN, FAAN Professor Emerita School of Nursing & Health Studies Patricia Mullahy Fugere Adjunct Professor, JD Program AB '81; JD '84; E.D., Washington Legal Clinic for the Homeless Henry Schwarz, PhD Professor of English Georgetown University Judith Lichtenberg, PhD Professor of Philosophy Georgetown University Joseph A. Chalmers, PhD Retired Dean Georgetown University E. J. Dionne, Jr., D.Phil. University Professor Georgetown Public Policy Institute Marlene Canlas, MA, MPH Assistant Dean Georgetown University Link from http://twitter.com/WilGafney/statuses/234276889693405184 |
Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #5)
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:53 PM
Howler (3,750 posts)
6. Woot!!!!!!
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I'm so sending this post Links Out!!!! Thank you proverbialwisdom!!!
If they had a rec for posts I would rec the hell out of this one!!! Instead all I can do is give you a big ole Cyber (((HUG))) |
Response to Howler (Original post)
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:03 PM
elleng (40,554 posts)
7. Would like to send this to my Dayton family-in-law,
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they've been pretty heavy into U. Dayton, and I see on FB they 'like' rmoney. Don't think I'll add this to our relationship, but they could sure learn a thing or 2.
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Response to elleng (Reply #7)
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:29 PM
Howler (3,750 posts)
10. LOL!
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Always nice to spice up family relationships!!!!
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Response to Howler (Original post)
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:03 PM
Populist_Prole (2,506 posts)
8. My very catholic friends have become VERY conservative since 2008
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Husband & wife. I wonder how this will affect them?
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Response to Populist_Prole (Reply #8)
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:32 PM
Howler (3,750 posts)
11. HAHAHAHA!!!
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LOL! Might want to have an excorcist on hand Populist_Prole. No telling how the spirit will move em.
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Response to Howler (Original post)
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:17 PM
mrmpa (1,827 posts)
9. This may have changed my mind about...........
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donating to the University of Dayton. I attended UD in the '70's, and have seen, in my opinion, the University veer toward the right with its teachings. I will take a close look at what happens to the Professors who signed. If I don't see them taking any backlash, then I might just contribute to the University.
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Response to mrmpa (Reply #9)
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:37 PM
Howler (3,750 posts)
12. I think the archbishop daniel e. pilarczyk
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might have had something to do with that mrmpa.
My friend and a couple of the other U.D. professors are pretty out spoken on a regular basis so I'm not looking for any backlash.....but I never really thought about it till you mentioned it. |
Response to Howler (Reply #12)
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:46 PM
mrmpa (1,827 posts)
15. I hope not, too..............
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Back in the '80's or '90's, John Paul II i.e. the Vatican ordered all Catholic Universities in the United States to be answerable to the Bishops of their diocese. I hated that, most Catholic Universities were founded as independent schools by certain Catholic Orders. Fore example, UD, the Marianists, Georgetown, the Jesuits, etc.
I attended a Catholic grade school which was overseen by the Parish (the Diocese) but the teachers were the Sisters of Charity, who had to follow the orders of the Diocese and the Parish. I went to a Catholic all womens high school run by the Sisters of Charity (independent of Diocesan or Parish control), the difference in the Sisters (some who had transferred from my Grade School) was tremendous. Why, because of their independence. |
Response to mrmpa (Reply #15)
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:54 PM
Howler (3,750 posts)
18. You Know,
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I worked with the sisters at the Saint Vinnie's Homeless shelter for 4 years and I gotta tell you mrmpa They ROCKED!!!! And can they COOK!!!! If you're going to be homeless (Gawd Forbid) Dayton is the place to be you will eat the best food and there is always PLENTY!!!!
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Response to Howler (Reply #18)
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:06 PM
mrmpa (1,827 posts)
20. I'll be in Dayton this weekend...........
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however, it's for a wedding and I suspect the food there will be good. God forbid if I do help, here in Pittsburgh it's good too.
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Response to mrmpa (Reply #20)
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:09 PM
Howler (3,750 posts)
21. OOOOO! I absolutely love Pittsburgh!!!
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Last edited Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:13 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Beautiful City!!! And the people there are fantastic.
I hope you have a great time at the wedding mrmpa!! But if things go hinky you could stay here in Howlerville. The Catholics do alot of good work in most cities and the institutions can usually be found right smack dab in the inner city.. |
Response to Howler (Original post)
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:41 PM
Myrina (8,967 posts)
13. "... But there are still other reasons to vote for ...
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Robme & Lyin' ... WTF??
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Response to Myrina (Reply #13)
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:51 PM
Howler (3,750 posts)
17. Myrina,
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They have alot of Catholics that are very VOCAL right to lifers. The piece itself pretty much dismantles Ryan,Ayn Rand, libertarianism and the current state of Conservatism. They however can not advocate for a specific party or candidate.They are bringing the Catholic teachings into a clear focus. It will give alot of conservative Catholics food for thought.
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Response to Howler (Original post)
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:44 PM
kitt6 (346 posts)
14. A extreme Manic-
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depressive introduced me to Ayn Rand. That's about the size of it!: evilfrown:
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