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Sun Oct 14, 2012, 07:55 AM

Update: A Chinese Flag Flying in Freeport, Illinois?

This was found on Crooks & Liars: Update: This is a statement directly from the now unemployed Sensata workers in Illinois:

"There seems to be some confusion about whether or not our Sensata plant took down our American flag and replaced it with the Chinese flag. Here is the truth. Sensata took down our American flag on the day they flew in our Chinese replacements that we were forced to train. They put our American flag back up after the Chinese workers left. They never flew the Chinese flag."

http://crooksandliars.com/node?page=1

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Reply Update: A Chinese Flag Flying in Freeport, Illinois? (Original post)
monmouth Oct 2012 OP
ywcachieve Oct 2012 #1
Schema Thing Oct 2012 #3
ywcachieve Oct 2012 #10
IDemo Oct 2012 #15
ywcachieve Oct 2012 #22
pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #23
ywcachieve Oct 2012 #36
pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #37
ywcachieve Oct 2012 #39
pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #40
IDemo Oct 2012 #24
ywcachieve Oct 2012 #13
hootinholler Oct 2012 #19
lonestarnot Oct 2012 #21
cilla4progress Oct 2012 #26
obxhead Oct 2012 #6
ywcachieve Oct 2012 #11
obxhead Oct 2012 #16
crunch60 Oct 2012 #43
mucifer Oct 2012 #2
OKNancy Oct 2012 #4
Berlum Oct 2012 #5
JustAnotherGen Oct 2012 #7
BumRushDaShow Oct 2012 #8
jberryhill Oct 2012 #12
BumRushDaShow Oct 2012 #27
JustAnotherGen Oct 2012 #32
BumRushDaShow Oct 2012 #35
crunch60 Oct 2012 #45
sulphurdunn Oct 2012 #9
City Lights Oct 2012 #14
Nine Oct 2012 #30
highplainsdem Oct 2012 #17
hootinholler Oct 2012 #18
IDemo Oct 2012 #25
hootinholler Oct 2012 #29
JustAnotherGen Oct 2012 #33
WinstonSmith4740 Oct 2012 #20
crunch60 Oct 2012 #46
WinstonSmith4740 Oct 2012 #50
crunch60 Oct 2012 #53
Drale Oct 2012 #28
benld74 Oct 2012 #31
FSogol Oct 2012 #38
benld74 Oct 2012 #48
pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #49
Posteritatis Oct 2012 #42
Indep2992 Oct 2012 #34
HereSince1628 Oct 2012 #44
Canuckistanian Oct 2012 #41
Berlum Oct 2012 #47
Drunken Irishman Oct 2012 #51
Nevernose Oct 2012 #52

Response to monmouth (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 08:00 AM

1. Not only did they insult Americans on American soil by putting the Chinese flag up,

Last edited Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:33 AM - Edit history (1)

BUT they compounded the insult by putting the Chinese flag in the middle, and higher than the American flag. They is disgraceful.

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Response to ywcachieve (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 08:11 AM

3. No, that didn't happen. You should stop saying it happened, because it didn't.

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Response to Schema Thing (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:15 AM

10. It did happen, and here is one video of proof.

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Response to ywcachieve (Reply #10)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:48 AM

15. Nowhere in the video does an employee mention a Chinese flag

The flag seen flying near the chain-link fence was placed there by protesters. The gentleman who speaks of "the thing that was most humiliating for me" says that the week before they (the Chinese replacement workers) came, they took the American flag down, and the week after they left they put it back up. Again, no mention of any Chinese flag. The image of the Sensata plant is of one located in Baoying, China.

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Response to IDemo (Reply #15)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:25 AM

22. Listen to the complete video, you will hear a male worker talk about the Chinese flag being raised

at that plant, then he said it was taken down when the Chinese visitors left to go back to China.
It it is there on the video.

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Response to ywcachieve (Reply #22)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:31 AM

23. Watch the video again--the worker never mentions a Chinese flag. nt

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #23)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 03:09 PM

36. Here is another article talking about how the US flag was lowered

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Response to ywcachieve (Reply #36)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 03:28 PM

37. Do you even watch or read the links you post?

Like your video link, the SD Free Press story makes NO mention of a Chinese flag being raised.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #37)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 03:37 PM

39. The video does mention a Chinese being raised.

LOL.. Both stories mention a Chinese flag being raised and then lowered when the Chinese workers left, after being trained by American workers who were being fired. So you are the one who do not comprehend what you are reading and watching on video.
But have a good day. BYE!

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Response to ywcachieve (Reply #39)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 03:55 PM

40. Repeating the falsehood doesn't magically make it true

Last edited Mon Oct 15, 2012, 05:37 PM - Edit history (1)

Multiple posters have pointed out to you that the video contains no such statement about a Chinese flag being raised.

And this is the one and only reference to a flag in the SD Free Press story:

To make matters worse, the U.S. flag that has always flown in front of the company’s Freeport , Ill. headquarters was removed just as the Chinese trainees arrived.


Again, there is absolutely no mention of a CHINESE flag.

Read the workers' statement in the OP again: "They never flew the Chinese flag."

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Response to ywcachieve (Reply #22)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:42 AM

24. I have listened to the entire video 4 times, carefully

Your link either doesn't point to the video with the flag statement, or you're hearing things. Please post the time (3:12, etc.) in the video where this statement is made, or just admit you goofed.

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Response to Schema Thing (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:31 AM

13. Listen closely as one of the employees of the plant say the Chinese flag was raised at the plant.

Look and listen at the whole video.

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Response to ywcachieve (Reply #13)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:58 AM

19. Give me a link to the video and the time mark where it was said!

Otherwise...

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #19)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:05 AM

21. A different brand of special coffee.

LMAO

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Response to Schema Thing (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:45 PM

26. Their website clears up the confusion.

They have a specific statement directed at this.

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Response to ywcachieve (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 08:32 AM

6. That image is of a plant located in China, not Illinois nt

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Response to obxhead (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:16 AM

11. Check out the video above.

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Response to ywcachieve (Reply #11)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:49 AM

16. The image of the plant with the Chinese flag flying higher than the US flag

is a plant in China.

I'm not saying none of the outsourcing is going on, or that lives aren't being destroyed by this entire situation.

I'm specifically referring to your post about the flags that is incorrect.

Take a look at the OP again. These are workers at the Illinois plant that are being screwed by this process, but even they say the Chinese flag was not flown at the Illinois plant, only that the US flag was removed.

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Response to ywcachieve (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 05:33 PM

43. Did you bother to read the article?

 

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Response to monmouth (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 08:04 AM

2. I kinda thought that was the case because there would have been a lot of photos of an IL factory

with a Chinese flag. Sorry to say that without that visual, the media will probably see this as no different than any other plant closing that they don't care about.
It's too bad.

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Response to monmouth (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 08:18 AM

4. thank you

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Response to monmouth (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 08:31 AM

5. Romney Republicans rubbing their profiteering sellout in America's face

How ugly is that?

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Response to monmouth (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 08:34 AM

7. thank you

For posting this. Al Sharpton had a union leader guest from an entirely different line of business on his program Friday night. That guy stated the myth portion of the story and Sharpton's FB page lit up with indignant people.

The truth is they lowered the US flag - insult enough - they did not raise a Chinese one.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #7)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:01 AM

8. "That guy stated the myth portion of the story"

um, "that guy" was Lee Saunders who heads AFSCME representing 1.6 million union members and had been contacted by people there and wanted to put the issue out there about the outsourcing and the Bain connection. And as the head of the union affiliated with AFL-CIO, he was standing up for other unions.

So your post is disingenuous.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #8)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:29 AM

12. AFSCME represented the Sensata workers?

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #12)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:47 PM

27. They announced that they are standing in solidarity.

And got the issue mentioned on TV Friday.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #8)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 04:34 PM

32. bull

Watch it. I was watching real time and reached out to Al on fb and via email. That gut clearly stated that after they room down the US flag they raised a Chinese one.

It's simply not true.

And saying I'm being disengenuos is tantamount to questioning my commitment to progressive values.

We tell the truth - we don't speak out of our assese. Speaking of asses - it was an assery move to take the US Flag down in that circumstance. Those people have been humiliated enough. And that's the story.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #32)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 04:52 PM

35. I watched it real time as well

and since Lee is based in D.C., he was passing on info that had been told to him.

Whether this info was exactly as has been discovered or not, there is that video in this and other threads that distinguishes the plant in China from the IL plant where there WAS a Chinese flag - shown by a fence at street level (NOT the same one from that Chinese plant) - that was supposedly up while the Chinese workers who were visiting to be trained, were there.

Your whole post and response is ass-hattery to the max considering the point is to get info out there about yet another plant closing thanks to Bain chicanery and how Rmoney will ultimately profit from it. This thing obsessing over a fucking flag is bullshit. It's the workers and the Bain connection that is important.

So just fucking chill.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #35)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 05:47 PM

45. well put, it's the fired workers that count, to many distracted by the flag issue. People first!

 

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #7)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:02 AM

9. Considering who owns and runs

this country anymore, maybe we should lower the flag and perhaps furl it too.

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Response to monmouth (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:35 AM

14. Thanks for clearing this up.

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Response to City Lights (Reply #14)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:03 PM

30. +1

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Response to monmouth (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:05 AM

17. Thanks. Even before the update, I was pointing out in a few different threads here that

there was no Chinese flag flying over the Sensata plant in Freeport. And I saw people doing the same on Daily Kos.

The mistaken belief that a Chinese flag was raised over the plant in Freeport apparently came from people watching the Steelworkers video and not realizing that the plants shown with a Chinese flag flying were the Chinese plants they were talking about in the video at that point.

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #17)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:55 AM

18. I am wondering if it came from a ratfuck operation

Remember the TANG story? Dan Rather does.

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #18)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:43 PM

25. The operation appears to be still running within this thread n/t

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Response to IDemo (Reply #25)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:03 PM

29. Hopefully they are enjoying their beverage. n/t

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #17)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 04:35 PM

33. +1

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Response to monmouth (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:04 AM

20. First of all...

this whole story is disgusting. The whole thing...the flag, American jobs going to China, everything. But can someone please explain to me how a person can be forced to train their replacement? What's the worse case scenario if you don't? You'll get fired? They had to have held severance pay over their heads, which only gives more credence to the belief that that these are heartless bastards we're dealing with. And we're supposed to trust them to regulate themselves.

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Response to WinstonSmith4740 (Reply #20)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 05:50 PM

46. My friend's job just eliminated at NV Energy, trained her replacement., just given

 

another title, doing the same work. Happening everywhere.

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Response to crunch60 (Reply #46)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 08:45 PM

50. Not sure I understand...

does your friend still have a job with NV Energy? Was she just put somewhere else in the company, or let go? My sister went through something "similar, but different"...had to let her assistant go, take on the work herself, with no bump in pay. My beef is with the corporations that are forcing American workers to train their (foreign) replacements. Like I said, they must be holding severance pay over their heads to make them do this, otherwise why would anyone go through it? It's like that guy in the commercial saying how they had to build the stage from which Bain execs told them their jobs were gone. Had they known that was going to be the case, would they have done it, or told the new masters to go fuck themselves?

BTW, where do you guys live? I'm outside of LV in the Moapa Valley...the Reid-Gardner power plant is about 8 miles down the road.

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Response to WinstonSmith4740 (Reply #50)

Tue Oct 16, 2012, 12:49 AM

53. They eliminated her job title as it stood, she did train others in her position,

 

well, "similar but different". She was let go, not put somewhere else within NV Energy.
She will be collecting unemployment and one or two weeks severance pay. Do not know about her health benefits.
CEO Michael Yackira has decimated the work force within NV Energy, and also Nevada energy consumers. He is a head hunter, and is rewarded handsomely for his "downsizing" They are also a corporation that is a member of ALEC.

http://www.corporitics.com/corporations/288-nv-energy.html

NV Energy is a public electric and natural gas utility serving 1.5 million customers and over 40 million tourists annually in Nevada. It was founded in 1928 and is based in Las Vegas, Nevada. The CEO is Michael Yackira.

According to SourceWatch, they are a member of ALEC.

She lives in LV

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Response to monmouth (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:57 PM

28. By flying in Chinese citizens

and forced Americans to train them, they may as well have raised a Chinese flag over the entire company. It really doesn't matter if they physically did it or not, they are traitors non-the-less.

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Response to monmouth (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:38 PM

31. The ONLY pplace a flag of another country should be flying on US Soil

is at THAT country's Embassy.

Period

NO PLACE ELSE

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Response to benld74 (Reply #31)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 03:29 PM

38. Actually foreign flags fly along side of the US flag quite often.

By custom, the US is the highest and other flags, state, local, foreign, or special purpose (MIA, corporate, etc) fly lower than the US flag.

Whenever the Toronto Blue jays play a US team, major league baseball flies the US and Canadian flags. Same is true at soccer matches, etc. I used to go to a summer camp that had an international group visiting the US each summer. The camp would flag the visitors flag along side the US flag. Italian, German, and Irish restaurants flag their respective flags. There are probably dozens or more instances.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #38)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 08:05 PM

48. U may be correct, yet in the case mentioned in the article, I do not believe it is right.

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Response to benld74 (Reply #48)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 08:20 PM

49. Reports that the company raised the Chinese flag were false

But people do display foreign flags here all the time, not as a sign of allegiance but as a salute to their heritage. What would a St. Patrick's Day parade be without Irish flags? What about ethnic or national-themed restaurants and bars?

And don't forget that place in NYC that has LOTS of foreign flags...


http://www.un.org/en/aboutun/index.shtml

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Response to benld74 (Reply #31)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 04:38 PM

42. Fortunately reality disagrees with ridiculous xenophobic kneejerks. (nt)

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Response to monmouth (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 04:38 PM

34. No bainport.com just released a statement on this. No chinese flag.

 


http://bainport.com/post/33539176657/setting-the-record-straight-on-the-chinese-flag

There seems to be some confusion about whether or not our Sensata plant took down our American flag and replaced it with the Chinese flag. Here is the truth. Sensata took down our American flag on the day they flew in our Chinese replacements that we were forced to train. They put our American flag back up after the Chinese workers left. They never flew the Chinese flag.

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Response to Indep2992 (Reply #34)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 05:36 PM

44. Interesting because today~noon central I heard Bid Ed repeat it

on a Madison station at 92.1 FM.

It's no wonder there is tremendous confusion about this.

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Response to monmouth (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 04:33 PM

41. The flag story doesn't even make sense

Why would they put up a Chinese flag in the first place?

The replacement workers are no dignitaries or even important people. They're probably just low-level engineers, techs or supervisors.

And for a company like Bain that doesn't even respect American workers, why would they respect the Chinese workers?

Unless there are pics, let this drop.

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Response to monmouth (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 05:53 PM

47. Romney Republicans OWN this stinking traitorous crap pile of 'business'

Republicans are trying to dodge responsibility for Sensata. But it is the "ethics" of Romeny and his Republican cronies, and their depraved 'corporate culture' that caused this.

The Romney Republicans OWN this Crapfest of their Own Godforsaken Creation.

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Response to monmouth (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 08:53 PM

51. To me ... this is even worse...

Or am I alone in that thought?

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Response to monmouth (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 09:02 PM

52. It'a stupid scrap of cloth

I'm way more concerned for the hundreds of workers that lost their jobs. THEY are America, not some dumb flag.

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