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Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:48 PM

The Image (and the story) that will Ruin Romney

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(added note) here is a link to an eye witness that rounds out the whole flag story.... it is broken down in the videos and posts below as well... this should help clear up the questions regarding the American flag being taken down at the Illinois plant:

http://tucsoncitizen.com/baja-democrats/2012/10/14/the-romney-economy/

Del Wasso • 17 hours ago −

Look... what REALLY happened is despicable enough without embellishing anything. While training their Chinese replacements at the Freeport Sensata plant, plant managers lowered the American flag and removed it from the chinese workers' view.

In response, workers and supporters raised a Chinese flag, alongside the American flag, across the street at the makeshift tent city 'Bainport' in protest.

For the entire time the Chinese remained in town, training at the plant, the Chinese flag stayed up - alongside the US flag - at the camp, while the US flag was completely absent at the same time, across the street at Sensata.

Freeport's mayor eventually received a complaint from a veterans group about the Chinese flag raised at the tent city (but NOT about the US flag being taken down at the plant across the street), and the workers took down the Chinese flag.

That's what happened, I was there.




on edit: for total clarity, the image in the still above is the China plant, however, there are notes below regarding the flag that has flown at the Illinois plant.... (pic of HQ in MA below as well) there are also reports of the American flag being taken down when Chinese replacements were trained... the image above gives a clear example of the Romney idea of the American Economy.... which is clearly laid out in the video below.

and this is all being done while today, Romney (Fuck Him) accused President Barack Obama of failing to "stand up to China" http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/13/us-usa-campaign-china-idUSBRE89C0HQ20121013

daily kos:

Romney's Bain Capital did what they do best. They bought out a company called Sensata Tech and are in the process of outsourcing it to China.

They even brought in Chinese workers for the current employees to train. Yea, they were forced to train their own replacements.

And Bain Capital forced the company to take down their American flag and put up a Chinese flag while they trained them.

A Chinese flag was flying over a Bain-owned factory in Freeport, Illinois.

This is our economy if Romney wins.


crooks and liars:

Right now in Freeport, Illinois, some 170 workers at an auto sensor plant are sleeping in tents to protest Bain-owned Sensata Technology’s decision to ship their jobs to China.

The company recently made factory officials take down the American flag when they were forced to train their Chinese replacement workers, according to Tom Gaulrapp, with the United Steelworkers Union.

That's un-American, my friends.

This is taking place as Mitt Romney tries to convince people to believe that he doesn’t know about Bain's shipping American jobs overseas. He is trying to distance himself from Bain Capital, a pioneer of outsourcing where Romney made a fortune as CEO.

Another employee losing her job, Mary Jo Kerr, is a young mom of three. She's heartbroken because she can’t afford dance lessons for her daughter. Another is Dot Turner, so close to retirement, but will not receive it. Instead Dot will get just 26 weeks’ severance for 43 years of work in the plant.

Listen to their stories in the video above, and be sure to note the Chinese flag flying in front of the plant at about 1:10 into the video...in Illinois.


Workers Link: http://bainport.com/

Ed Show, Greetings from Bainport: http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2012/10/13/video-mitt-romney-should-lose-the-election-just-on-this-issue/



http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/13/1143996/-The-Sansata-Story-Could-Destroy-Romney

http://occupyamerica.crooksandliars.com/diane-sweet/chinese-flag-flying-freeport-illinois

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-johnson/is-this-why-romney-wont-t_b_1956151.html

http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2012104110/why-romney-wont-talk-sensata-workers-whose-jobs-are-being-shipped-china

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/24/workers-beg-romney-to-stop-latest-bain-outsourcing/

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/10/us/politics/as-romney-repeats-trade-message-bain-maintains-china-ties.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/october112012/romney-us-flag-tk.php

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Sensata Workers Respond to Leaked Video On Bain/Romney Business Model:



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added: this is a photo of Sensata HQ in Attleboro, MA, Chinese Flag flies inside the building along with US flag and others

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Reply The Image (and the story) that will Ruin Romney (Original post)
trailmonkee Oct 2012 OP
Politicalboi Oct 2012 #1
The Wielding Truth Oct 2012 #35
fasttense Oct 2012 #100
exboyfil Oct 2012 #102
DhhD Oct 2012 #115
treestar Oct 2012 #2
savannah43 Oct 2012 #49
Schema Thing Oct 2012 #3
mzmolly Oct 2012 #6
defacto7 Oct 2012 #24
mzmolly Oct 2012 #28
treestar Oct 2012 #52
99th_Monkey Oct 2012 #57
treestar Oct 2012 #61
99th_Monkey Oct 2012 #71
Fantastic Anarchist Oct 2012 #114
99th_Monkey Oct 2012 #123
Schema Thing Oct 2012 #76
trailmonkee Oct 2012 #80
exboyfil Oct 2012 #103
trailmonkee Oct 2012 #108
exboyfil Oct 2012 #110
trailmonkee Oct 2012 #124
mzmolly Oct 2012 #88
mzmolly Oct 2012 #89
trailmonkee Oct 2012 #90
mzmolly Oct 2012 #92
exboyfil Oct 2012 #104
fasttense Oct 2012 #101
mzmolly Oct 2012 #121
pizzadave Oct 2012 #39
hootinholler Oct 2012 #30
mzmolly Oct 2012 #31
hootinholler Oct 2012 #41
ancianita Oct 2012 #45
robinlynne Oct 2012 #64
hootinholler Oct 2012 #68
trailmonkee Oct 2012 #81
hootinholler Oct 2012 #95
trailmonkee Oct 2012 #98
hootinholler Oct 2012 #99
trailmonkee Oct 2012 #109
robinlynne Oct 2012 #85
hootinholler Oct 2012 #94
trailmonkee Oct 2012 #96
robinlynne Oct 2012 #86
Laurajr Oct 2012 #78
trailmonkee Oct 2012 #53
robinlynne Oct 2012 #65
Skittles Oct 2012 #7
savannah43 Oct 2012 #55
Schema Thing Oct 2012 #77
loli phabay Oct 2012 #8
AlbertCat Oct 2012 #43
Amonester Oct 2012 #48
robinlynne Oct 2012 #66
newspeak Oct 2012 #120
trailmonkee Oct 2012 #10
backscatter712 Oct 2012 #19
defacto7 Oct 2012 #25
trailmonkee Oct 2012 #93
FedUpWithIt All Oct 2012 #50
robinlynne Oct 2012 #63
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defacto7 Oct 2012 #29
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trailmonkee Oct 2012 #11
trailmonkee Oct 2012 #12
trailmonkee Oct 2012 #14
backscatter712 Oct 2012 #20
mzmolly Oct 2012 #34
FedUpWithIt All Oct 2012 #51
robinlynne Oct 2012 #67
Berlum Oct 2012 #13
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Live and Learn Oct 2012 #18
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aquart Oct 2012 #105
fasttense Oct 2012 #106
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Democratopia Oct 2012 #58
trailmonkee Oct 2012 #79
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abelenkpe Oct 2012 #59
Faygo Kid Oct 2012 #60
MadDash Oct 2012 #62
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AzDar Oct 2012 #70
Indep2992 Oct 2012 #72
Control-Z Oct 2012 #74
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trailmonkee Oct 2012 #83
Indep2992 Oct 2012 #84
trailmonkee Oct 2012 #87
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Tribetime Oct 2012 #97
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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:49 PM

1. The Repukes will say it's

Photo-shopped.

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Response to Politicalboi (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 05:51 AM

100. Well, of course they will but

that does NOT make that picture any less powerful an image. A picture is worth a thousand words even if stupid people think it's photo-shopped. Just look at all the photo-shopped images that do become so popular. People even know for a fact those images are made up yet they are spread far and wide.

I actually thought the top picture of the Chinese flag flying over top of the American flag was in the US. But then realized it was in China.

You have to admit that Chinese flag flying over top of the American flag, like a conquering warrior, is chilling.

Thanks Trailmonkee for doing the image capture.

That top image should be shown every time Mitt talks about jobs. And remind people the next time they call Obama a communist that they buy communist products everyday at low, low prices in Wal-Mart.

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Response to fasttense (Reply #100)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:02 AM

102. If it is in China it is appropriate to fly the Chinese

flag in a superior position to the American flag. We do it in Germany with my company, and I had no heartburn with it. The thing that blew my mind was the order of the flags (Our corporate flag, the EU Flag, the German flag, and then the U.S. flag (also some other flags including the plant flag and other countries' flags). One thing that bothered me about the display was the corporate flag being in a superior position to the EU and German flags. I think that was offensive to the Germans. I was also wondering about the EU over German flag, but that is a decision for the Germans.

I think this story is red meat to fire up the liberal base. So far I have not seen any vetted evidence of the Chinese flag put up in Illinois instead of the U.S. flag (that would be very offensive to me). In addition that, while Romney has Bain investments, his direct link to this story is weak and should be clarified as the story goes forward.

As far as Obama I hate the fact that he is finally waking up to the trade deficit as an issue two months before the campaign. He should have been emphasizing it all along (still better than Romney and the idiot that was in the White House before him).

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Response to Politicalboi (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:32 AM

115. Where are the pictures from the local or regional newspapers?

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:49 PM

2. Just watched that

Rmoney will not create American jobs - his way creates Chinese and other jobs.

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Response to treestar (Reply #2)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 06:20 PM

49. And most of all, profits for himself.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:50 PM

3. Except that this is total, obvious bullshit.


That picture is taken in China.

Our side should not be lying.

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Response to Schema Thing (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:52 PM

6. No one pretends it was taken

the US, do they?

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #6)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:55 PM

24. The OP says Illinois

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #24)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 05:05 PM

28. That was not how I read the OP.

The point is the same. A Chinese flag was flown at a US steel plant, while Rmoney outsourced American jobs to China.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #28)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 06:23 PM

52. I don't see what they gained by it either

There is no need to fly a Chinese flag just because there are Chinese people coming to be trained by Americans for the jobs they are taking from the Americans. Maybe it was a marker to help them get there?

Another thing is how to you train people who don't speak the same language?

And though I know they need the last few paychecks, one strategy - refuse to do it!

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Response to treestar (Reply #52)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 06:36 PM

57. One thing in ^^this^^post of yours I DO agree with

is why workers didn't just say "fuck you, we are not training
anyone to replace us!".

Of course the obvious reason is that they have families to feed..
but still, so do striking workers. maybe if they'd done
that the AFL-CIO would have assisted

oh well, what's done is done. I certain harbor no ill feelings
towards the workers and their choices under such dire
circumstances.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #57)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 06:54 PM

61. I don't blame them either

Another weird thing is who is paying for the trip for the Chinese workers? The company? That might be more than ten years' salary for what they're paying them. And some of them might be tempted to run and stay here - there have been many Chinese immigrants to the US throughout the years.

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Response to treestar (Reply #61)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 07:38 PM

71. Like Mr. Wu, in Deadwood

He and a whole sub-community of Chinese lived in Deadwood apparently.
Must be true, cuz I saw it on TeeVee.



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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #57)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:16 AM

114. AFL-CIO is a joke.

IWW ...that's where I hang my hat.

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Response to Fantastic Anarchist (Reply #114)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 04:42 PM

123. Good luck finding a Wobbly hook to hang that hat on.

I love the Wobblies too, but not sure they have the kind of
resources that would be needed to support the Sensata
fired workers' families for very long.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #28)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 08:04 PM

76. "A Chinese flag was flying over a Bain-owned factory in Freeport, Illinois. "



That is a lie.


That is what I expect from GOP and freepers.


The story is devastating to Romney. How fucking horrible that we have shitty liars on our side who will muddy up and fuck up the story in the interest of creating negative mythology -when the truth is ALL we need to nail Rmoney.

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Response to Schema Thing (Reply #76)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 08:43 PM

80. to help out, I added a photo of the us hq as well..... its at the bottom of the op

obviously, they have a Chinese flag flying, along with others....it was probably the same situation as at the Illinois plant.... not quite as dramatic as the author of the kos article makes it sound... but it is flying nonetheless

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Response to trailmonkee (Reply #80)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:11 AM

103. My corporation also flies

a flag display with the Chinese flag (along with probably 20 other countries in which we have operations). China is essential to our corporate philosophy, and he export a fair amount of equipment to them (we also do a lot of engineering for them as well using U.S. engineers making U.S. engineering salaries).

I would consider my company one of the better corporate citizens in the U.S. I am thankful for my job, and my company realizes that for it to continue to be strong we have to manufacture and work with people worldwide. We build larger equipment to sell in some countries, and those countries build smaller equipment to sell in this country.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #103)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:16 AM

108. the prob is taking the American flag down

If your company closed your office/plant and took down the American flag while they trained your replacement, you wouldn't feel so good... Not discounting your post, there is just not a whole lot of equivalency to the story

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Response to trailmonkee (Reply #108)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:10 AM

110. Did the take the American flag down in Illinois?

If so I agree with you I have a problem with it. The photo of the US Corporate office with all the flags seen through the window seemed ok to me - many corporations including mine own have a similar display. It helps to remind visitors of the worldwide presence of the corporation.

As far as training the replacements and closing down the business, obviously I am irritated by that and hope we can change the laws to get this to stop (closing the trade deficit with high labor content jobs should be the goal).

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #110)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 08:58 AM

124. i posted a really clear eyewitness account at the beginning of the op...

...that should help explain exactly what happened

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Response to Schema Thing (Reply #76)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 11:28 PM

88. Tell that to the steel workers

who said as much. You will find the video here in our video forum. I am responding via phone so I can't post it for you ... Sorry

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Response to Schema Thing (Reply #76)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 11:45 PM

89. You seemed so upset I found another source for you.

Last edited Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:23 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/october112012/romney-us-flag-tk.php

Correction as the flag story was misinterpreted. The US flag was lowered at the plant, but there was no Chinese flag put up in its place. The visual metaphor, is apt however.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #89)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:12 AM

90. Thank You.... added it to the op links

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Response to trailmonkee (Reply #90)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:51 AM

92. You are welcome.

One would think we had Rmoney supporters here given the outrage.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #89)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:24 AM

104. The story says that the women who worked 43 years

only got 26 weeks severence instead of her pension. That is a clear violation of vesting laws, and I would like more information on it.

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Response to Schema Thing (Reply #76)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 05:59 AM

101. The bottom picture is of the Chinese flag in the US.

In the US, it is against protocol to have any flag over top the American flag except the religious pennant.

That screen capture is from the video link. The narrator in the link said Bain/Mitt took DOWN the American flag and the Chinese flag was probably still up. So, no they would not be flying side by side. But still I like that image from China. It's what is really there in China.

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Response to Schema Thing (Reply #76)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:15 PM

121. I stand corrected.

Though, I think misunderstanding is more appropriate word than "lie" regarding this situation.

I'm glad 'our side' corrects itself when wrong, regardless.

Here's more: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/13/1143996/-The-Sansata-Story-Could-Destroy-Romney

I agree. The story, as is, is devastating.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #24)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 05:43 PM

39. Says it is not the Illinois plant NT

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #6)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 05:09 PM

30. All over FB, and here.

I think that notion was planted by some rat fucker to poison the well.

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #30)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 05:11 PM

31. Ah. I see.

The point (Romney's Bain Capital, flew a Chinese flag at a US Steel plant, while outsourcing American jobs) remains relevant, regardless.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #31)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 05:49 PM

41. Except the plant with the chinese flag is in China. n/t

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #41)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 05:55 PM

45. Watch the video. The employees will tell you about the flag.

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #41)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 07:09 PM

64. Watch the video. The workers tell the story. The American flag was removed while the Chinese workers

came here to be trained. the Chinese flag was put up. Then after the Chinese left, the American flag was placed back again.

the pic from China is showing the plant in China. not about the flag. about outsourcing.

take a minute to watch, read, think.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #64)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 07:18 PM

68. I have watched the video

Several times. At what time on the video is the claim made the Chinese flag was flown in the US? The US flag was taken down, yes, that claim was made. The Chinese flag being flown? I missed that part after watching several times, so please help me out here and tell me the time mark where the claim is made.

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #68)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 08:49 PM

81. here's some stuff that might help... maybe?


http://truth-out.org/news/item/12099-is-this-why-romney-wont-talk-to-sensata-workers-whose-jobs-are-being-shipped-to-china

the image that is going around twitter, FB, etc. points out that Romney puts China workers ahead of American workers for profit. It is obviously a picture of a plant in China... the signage even have Chinese writing on it. The people trying to push it as being in Illinois will trickle out once they realize it is not an American plant and others point that out as well.

I have been paying attention to the tweets and very few try to fake people out... that will diminish even more

here is a picture of the Sensata HQ building in MA, Chinese flag is up... it was probably the same sort of set up in Illinois... point is, they lost their jobs to China, and a Chinese flag was flown and the US flag taken down when the Chinese replacements trained:



the Bainport Video and the images that accompany it give the clearest voice yet to Romney's 'real' attitude toward American workers...

I remember when the 47% video started to trickle out, I was very skeptical... but then it hit a tipping point and the info was out and it only took a matter of time before it became part of the general consciousness. The Bainport story is at that same place, and it's just as important as the 47% story.

The image of that building in China with an American Flag and A Chinese flag hanging over it is important. It is not just any company... it is a shining example (that's Romneys opinion) of a business model of the future..... and that model is destructive...

watch this video of Sensata employees reacting to Romneys words from the 47% video:



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Response to trailmonkee (Reply #81)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:30 AM

95. The HQ display is typical of a number of multinational corps.

The only claim I am disputing is the one that says the US flag was struck and replaced with the Chinese flag. There is simply no evidence of that. You have corrected your OP and I thank you for that, but the claim lives on and will be used by the Rs to claim the entire issue is bullshit.

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #95)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:48 AM

98. we aren't claiming that here though, at least I am not... I tried to make that really clear...

...in the post.

The flags are an important part of this story, to me it is symbolic of the priorities of the Romney ethic.... The picture of the factory in China has an American flag flying because it is an American company employing people in China for the sole reason of the labor being cheaper. These corporations that were built in America with the help of American sweat, infrastructure, roads, etc..... are shitting on the country and the people that gave them the opportunity to succeed in the first place. They are taking plants, essentially lifting them and dropping them in China... they raise the Chinese flag, lower the American flag, pocket the profits from cheap labor and save a few bucks on the side to steal the occasional election. It's Dirty and it's ugly.... and it needs to be stopped.

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Response to trailmonkee (Reply #98)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:25 AM

99. KOS is, C&L is, robin is in the post above. Lots of people are convinced it is true without evidence

Yes, all that shitting on America is called outsourcing. It's what Bain and others have been doing for the last 20 years at least, and that includes training replacements. Typically, if you stay to train your replacement, you get a nice severance, otherwise you only get unemployment insurance.

The thing that makes this instance so outrageous is the claim that they actually took down the US flag and flew the Chinese flag. There is no evidence of that that I have seen yet and the guy at 1:38 in the video does not claim they flew the Chinese flag, only that they took down the US flag.

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #99)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:22 AM

109. i want saying they replaced it?

Just they took it down... Doesn't seen to compute between us, anyhow, i appreciate the attitude about making certain we are all pushing the truth... I have posted a storey or two before and found out more facts and the deleted it....Not happening in this case, i think there is enough clarity and appropriate linkage in the op for people to do there own research, thanks

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #68)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 10:18 PM

85. The mna says it on the video. in a close-up. dont know why you dont see it.

It's right there.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #85)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:25 AM

94. Right where exactly

Does it show the Chinese flag being flown at the Il. plant? What is the time mark?

I agree that shipping the jobs overseas is bad. I agree that the common practice of having the current work force train the replacements is despicable, but it is common practice these days.

The only claim I am disputing is the one being passed around the intertubes that is the Chinese flag replaced the US flag at the plant. I haven't been able to find any supporting evidence of this. I suspect the whole notion was put out in the world as a planted claim to poison the well and lessen the impact of the story. It's an old maneuver that Rove and other rat fuckers use quite effectively.

I'm sorry but claiming people are too lazy to watch the video, or that it's right there isn't helpful. I really would prefer it to be there and am asking for your help, since you have been so adamant about the accuracy of the claim that the US flag was struck and the Chinese flag was flown in its place. I can't climb on that wagon until I've seen the evidence.

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #94)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:35 AM

96. at 1:38 in the video he describes the American Flag being taken down for a week

look at this photo of the HQ in Main (sorry I dont have an Illinois pic, just the man in the videos word) and imagine the American flag not being there... The chinese flag would still be up... I think that is probably the situation that is closest to what the man is describing

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #68)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 10:19 PM

86. the very first video. there are 4 or 5 video links.

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #41)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 08:14 PM

78. Watch the second video

It tells the story

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #31)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 06:26 PM

53. exactly... I tried to make the op as clear as I could....

I think the photo gives a dramatic image of what is happening... imagine a small us town having this plant built in it, and the impact it would have? That's the point....

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Response to trailmonkee (Reply #53)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 07:10 PM

65. your OP rocks! people are too lazy to read or to watch a video. they want instant. one liners where

the first picture matches the one line.
sheesh!

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Response to Schema Thing (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:52 PM

7. even if it is in China

that's an American plant, HANDED to China

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Response to Skittles (Reply #7)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 06:33 PM

55. And the rat, Willard, will send American jobs to China and then

blame Obama for the unemployment rate. "Bizarro World" has become a reality. What kind of a person thinks this behavior is admirable?

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Response to Skittles (Reply #7)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 08:06 PM

77. And THAT is all we need to nail Rmoney.



not bullshit James O'keefe style crap done with pictures.

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Response to Schema Thing (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:52 PM

8. if the pic is in china then this will come back and bite in the ass

 

People may be dumb but they dont like it when people treat them as though their dumb.

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Response to loli phabay (Reply #8)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 05:51 PM

43. they dont like it when people treat them as though their dumb.

Their dumb what?


THEY'RE DUMB!

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #43)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 06:08 PM

48. The batshit cRazies who will (or did already) vote for RobMe/Lyan

are dumb.

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Response to loli phabay (Reply #8)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 07:11 PM

66. There are hundreds of other pictures. and videos. This is not one picture and one story.

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Response to loli phabay (Reply #8)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:12 PM

120. as I understand it

the employees are saying that they took down the US flag for a week while they had to train their chinese replacements?

we can go around about the flag; however, this tale is a repeat, over and over again. americans training their cheaper replacements-what an insult to our country. tell me how some of these corporations and their greedy CEOs CARE about this country and the people. I guess when we all become wage slaves they'll be happy to move back here and exploit us and our land. this is romney's company-so, those ads about obama and china are so hypocritical that it isn't even funny.

and, I believe the repugs either denied or stalled a bill that gave incentives for corporations who hire AMERICANS. eisenhower, a republican, did a similar policy. so, these repugs today are just looking out for any and all of their favored corporations over the country over the people.

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Response to Schema Thing (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:06 PM

10. Thank You, I added a note for clarity..obvious that is from China..still relevant to the narrative..

The image has Chinese writing on the signage as well.... hope that helps... read my note and let me know if you think I should add more

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Response to Schema Thing (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:27 PM

19. I don't give a fuck if it's true or not. I just want to see rMoney deny it.

Think of it as revenge for Swiftboat.

Fuck being "better" than them. I want dominance over them.

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Response to Schema Thing (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:56 PM

25. The Building construction is a dead give away

that it's NOT in the US, that's for sure.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #25)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:02 AM

93. plus, the sign is in Chinese? One of their US Buildings is pictured below in the OP...

the picture at the begining of the op is the China plant

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Response to Schema Thing (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 06:21 PM

50. The OP image is from the China plant but the video clearly shows a chinese flag

flying nearer ground level in Ill. And the workers in the video were clear that the American flag had been removed while they were training the Chinese workers.

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Response to Schema Thing (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 07:06 PM

63. no lying. no bullshit. This is not a new story. google. read up. You should already know everything

about this story. don't play likeyou are the GOP.
There are photos in the US and in China.
Romney has done this over and over and over. He is doing it right this very minute.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:50 PM

4. That image needs to go viral!

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:50 PM

5. says it all



and it does not matter if that is in China or Illinois - that was an American plant handed to China

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Response to Skittles (Reply #5)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 05:07 PM

29. as an argument, no it doesn't matter...

but if you want to give them ammunition against the real issue, it does matter if you give the impression that it's in the US. They will turn it into a false argument for that alone.

So what if it's in the US or China. Just don't make it into what it's not.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:55 PM

9. STOP! Be careful, that is FALSE. CHINA not US picture

 

That is a picture of the plant in China, not in the US. See the other thread on this discussion.

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Response to Indep2992 (Reply #9)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:07 PM

11. see Note #10... added note for clarity....

thank you

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Response to Indep2992 (Reply #9)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:08 PM

12. where is the other thread, I would like to see

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Response to Indep2992 (Reply #9)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:14 PM

14. found it, thanks

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Response to Indep2992 (Reply #9)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:31 PM

20. Concern noted.

Like I said, I don't give a fuck if it's true or not. I just want to hear rMoney deny it!

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Response to Indep2992 (Reply #9)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 05:17 PM

34. But the story about a Chinese flag being flown at a US, Bain owned plant, is true.

eom

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Response to Indep2992 (Reply #9)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 06:22 PM

51. There is a Chinese flag in Ill. in the video.

It is shown near the beginning and the American flag was removed according to the workers in the video.

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Response to Indep2992 (Reply #9)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 07:11 PM

67. forget the picture. WATCH THE VIDEO!!!!!

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:13 PM

13. Republican scuzzballery

against America

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:16 PM

15. It doesn't matter where it is. The American Flag never flys below another nation's flag

says this American.

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Response to itsrobert (Reply #15)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:19 PM

16. The whole point is Romney, by his actions, has placed the Chinese economy above our own

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Response to trailmonkee (Reply #16)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:21 PM

17. ...and Willard (R) has placed HIS OWN ECONOMY above everything

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:23 PM

18. I think that picture depicts exactly what will happen to America

if Romney is elected.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:32 PM

21. I live in the state that he led, I know Mitt Romney.

Mitt Romney is not one that should lead this nation of ours. Romney nearly destroyed my state then ran around bad mouthing us.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:40 PM

22. NEW VIDEO: Romney Campaign calls police on workers being outsourced by Bain-owned Sensata

 



Disgusting campaign. Nice police officer though!

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:49 PM

23. It might be an issue if Obama fucking MAKES it an issue.

Bain outsourced. It's been in the news for month.

Romney has millions in offshore accounts. It's been in the news for months.

Romney's switched positions, publicly, more times than anyone can count.


All of this shit and Rmoney is right there. This guy makes Nixon look like a savant.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:58 PM

26. DON'T LET THE PUNDITS SWEEP THIS UNDER THE RUG-

We need to keep talking about this- this is a good "talking point" and do not let them take our eyes off of this ball - keep passing it, guys, keep passing it, and passing it.... on and on.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 05:01 PM

27. The point is taken,

the intent is a well founded one. But for this to go viral as non-factual or half fact on our part is more than anti productive; it would play into the Repugs hand. Don't give them ammunition.

Let's argue for what it is and what it stands for, not for what it is not.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #27)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 05:46 PM

40. I think if people are responsible and they mention where is the photo is actually from, we are ok

It's obvious that it is a Chinese plant because it has Chinese Writing... The image won't go anywhere if people people proclaim it to be a photo of the Illinois plant. It's important to keep this factual, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't ignore the picture. It is a powerful image that is easy for people to understand.

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Response to trailmonkee (Reply #40)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:31 AM

105. For Romney and cronies, America comes second to cheap labor profit.

If they had kept the businesses here, they would still be wealthy, but they wouldn't be as wealthy. They are superrich because of Chinese cheap labor.

Their money was stolen from the working people of many nations and they believe they are entitled to all of it.

Take it back.

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Response to trailmonkee (Reply #40)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:35 AM

106. Exactly my thought too!

Show the picture far and wide. If you spend a few seconds looking at it, you realize it is from China. I thought it was from a US plant too, at first. Then I looked more carefully. The Chinese characters, the bikes, the Chinese flag flying over top the US flag indicate it is in China.

But it is still a powerful image of what is going on between the US and Communist China.

People sometimes forget that China is a self proclaimed Communist country. And they happily buy Wal-Mart made in Communist China crap, while calling President Obama a Communist. Are they implying the President of the United States works long hours in a factory for .99 cents so Bain can harvest America?

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 05:12 PM

32. K & R!

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 05:13 PM

33. Excellent Video

I'm glad it's getting out there...

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 05:23 PM

36. is this the bain-owned corp. that was doing business with Iran, in violation of US sanctions?

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 05:28 PM

37. Pardon me for being blunt

but who really gives a flying fuck about a flag?

I mean who with a single shred of intelligence thinks that it is anything other than a dyed piece of cloth?

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Response to abumbyanyothername (Reply #37)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 06:03 PM

47. Maybe that's the knee-jerk justification limpballs will come up with! ;)

Or you forgot the /sarcasm smiley

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Response to Amonester (Reply #47)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 07:50 PM

73. I did not forget the sarcasm tag.

I am patriotic and teary eyed over the American ideals. Equal opportunity for all. One nation. Individual rights. Taking care of each other as a community.

I could care less about a piece of cloth.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 05:35 PM

38. I didn't see the worker's link

So I'm just adding it:

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Response to AnnaLee (Reply #38)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 05:51 PM

42. Thank You, I added it to the op...

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 05:51 PM

44. We should make Freeport Ill. the next Occupy. American workers should strike and travel to Freeport

I'm sure town leaders would be much more accommodating than Wall St., Oakland and any other locale.

Nothing will change until we change it ourselves!

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 06:00 PM

46. Is the first part of the company name/logo written in braille?

 

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 06:29 PM

54. the plant is on google street view

it`s a fairly small plant just south of freeport off of rt26. one can just barely make out the honeywell sign. across the street is bain port.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 06:35 PM

56. It should but will Mainstream media give it play.

 

That is the real question.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 06:38 PM

58. To be fair, do we complain if a Japanese owned car plant opens in USA?

 

This is a global economy. Steve Jobs was hailed a hero, but Apple products are assembled in China, in working conditions that would be totally unacceptable over here.

But the point is that Romney is presenting himself as a man to lead this nation and yet he has no loyalty to America. He dehumanizes people into expendable commodities and sees at least 47% as a burden. He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and lacks empathy for ordinary people and their struggles. His actions and his policies demonstrate that. Compare him to a man who worked for $8,000 a year, trying to make the lives of poor folk in Chicago better. It isn't a judgement based on wealth, but on character. Romney is completely unsuitable to be President.

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Response to Democratopia (Reply #58)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 08:33 PM

79. No, bring em on!!! I would love it if 100 more Japanese car plants opened in the US...

.... that's a lot of jobs... and a lot of tax dollars collected....

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Response to trailmonkee (Reply #79)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:52 AM

107. And a lot of wealth funneled over to Japan.

Globalization is like trickle down, voodoo economics. It sounds good on the surface but scratch it a little and you see how it devastates people. It's good for corporations bad for people.

You are from Japan and you build a factory here in the US. The only reason you build here in the US is so you can sell your product here in the US. So now you are using US markets for practically free (most corporations even foreign corporations pay almost NOTHING in taxes despite what politicians and the corporate media would like you to believe). Those cars being put together by American workers are made up of parts made in Japan. So basically all you have in the US is a put together assembly line so that you can get cheaper access to American markets. Yes a handful of American people get jobs but more people lose jobs because Americans are NOT buying real American made products.

All that money made off each of those cars goes right back to Japan. The only tax dollars collected are from the workers and many states allow corporations to keep their employees withholdings. So sales tax is about all you get and that's paid by the worker.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 06:41 PM

59. Responses from right wingers I know about this story:

Daily Kos? It's the FOX news of the left! Lunatic fringe nuttiness!

So what? Romney hasn't been at Bain for 11 years! He isn't the part of Sensata.

There is no image of the US flag replaced at the American plant or being flown at half mast.

Look! US jobs being off-shored under Obama.

They were inefficient! So 900 lost their jobs but 100 were saved!

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That's the type of stuff I'm seeing conservatives say in response to this story.

The flag is melodramatic and draws away from the real story:

Jobs are being off-shored to China and candidate Romney is profiting from it.

I'm sure many in other industries can relate to the story of training their overseas replacement.

We should use this story as a reminder that good paying jobs are being lost because there are financial incentives that encourage US companies to relocate overseas. If we are serious about creating jobs here in the US we need to address this reality and reverse this trend right now. I personally am very interested in what the candidates are prepared to do to solve this problem and wish that someone at the town hall debate would ask them this.




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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 06:47 PM

60. It won't be covered. The Romney "mo" is locked in, barring another huge gaffe.

The media has its story, and the first presidential debate is all that matters. They have shown time and again that they will not challenge Romney on the issues, or hold him or Ryan accountable for their lies. Candy Crowley will clearly favor Romney in the debate, and do all she can to advance him. That's who she is.

The Koch brothers and Rove now come into play, with unlimited $$$$. Plus, with GOP governors like Walker, Kasich and Scott, Wisconsin, Ohio and Florida are probably fixed already. I'm going to retire early if Romney gets in, on the slim hope that I can salvage something out of Social Security before he obliterates it completely.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 07:20 PM

69. DEMS' OCTOBER SUPRISE

PUSH THIS STORY!

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 07:30 PM

70. Mitt Romney is traitorous SCUM.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 07:41 PM

72. This affects all ppl who are not rich wealthy bazillionaires with corporate interests! UNITY

 

This is the October surprise. Media needs to get on this ASAP. America will go nuts.

99%!!!!

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 07:50 PM

74. Is this a different building?

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Response to Control-Z (Reply #74)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 08:04 PM

75. cant really tell, here they are side by side...



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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 08:55 PM

82. this is far worse than flag-burning. and of course a clear violation of the flag code.

foreign flags are not to be displayed unless the american flag is display at least as high.

the rare flag-burner, at least in america, is usually doing it out of a somewhat twisted frustration of wanting america to be BETTER (people who burn american flags outside of the u.s. are more likely to want america destroyed). although few americans get the concept these days (and so it has lost its usefulness), there at least once was a historical rationalization for patriotic flag-burning.

but there's absolutely no patriotic excuse for flying only a foreign flag, or flying it higher than the american flag.

that's just totally disloyal and unpatriotic.

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Response to unblock (Reply #82)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 09:33 PM

83. read the whole op... just want to make sure you are not...

.... under the impression that the opening pic is the Illinois location... that is the Chinese location...

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 09:47 PM

84. EVERYBODY NEEDS TO CALL THE MEDIA.

 

I already tried. CNN said it was "on their radar"...

We need a gazillion calls.

Here is the info.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=111

READY SET GO!!!!

PS - A secret I learned from getting airline miles... hit 0 for the operator And be nice and they'll direct you

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Response to Indep2992 (Reply #84)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 10:20 PM

87. I'm curious, what part of the story did you call them about?

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:26 AM

91. Need to add a grinning Rmoney saluting and saying "Corporations are people my friend"! nt

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:39 AM

97. This is totally disgusting...anything to make a buck right willard

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:11 AM

111. so far the media has chosen not to recognize this story....

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Response to spanone (Reply #111)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:59 PM

119. I guess their corporate masters have told them not to

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:43 AM

112. What am I missing here?

What is the issue with the flags? I don't get it.

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Response to adubadee (Reply #112)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:57 PM

117. It's a long story

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:46 AM

113. If only this image could be strewn on billboards

across the nation!

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Response to randr (Reply #113)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:57 PM

118. Yes! Romney, owned by the Chinese

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:30 PM

116. Not just Romney. This is our economy if Wall St wins.

And they are winning. Nothing is being done to make things better for tomorrow. Use it all up, pollute the planet, drive what is left of our wildlife toward mass extinction and live high on the hog now.
Hey, don't worry retirees. We'll make sure you have all the best money can buy while it lasts.
Your children & grandchildren? Ah, don't worry about them, they'll figure it out. We humans are resilient critters and they'll understand you were only doing what you thought was best.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:28 PM

122. I see six foreign flags in the last pic

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