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Mon Oct 8, 2012, 10:53 AM

 

The Eight Cruelest Foods You Eat

http://health.yahoo.net/articles/nutrition/photos/8-cruelest-foods-you-eat#0

By the time that cheeseburger arrives on your plate, it's hard to think about anything but how tasty it'll be. But when you trace the origins of each ingredient--the beef, the fried egg, the splurge-worthy bacon--some uncomfortable truths emerge.

That we're uneasy about the origins of our food is no surprise. After all, in our shrink-wrapped, pre-cooked, fast-food world, it's easy to ignore. Fortunately, though, awareness is growing where it matters: Big Food. In just this year alone, shocking cases of documented animal abuse have persuaded many of the biggest meat purchasers--McDonald's, Burger King, and Subway--to make their chains more humane.

Still, we're a long way off from feeling good about what's for dinner, whether it's beef, chicken, or even eggs. Join us as we check in with the 8 Cruelest Foods You Eat--plus, what's being done about them, and what to eat in the meantime.

The list:

1) Lobster
2) Shark Fin Soup
3) Veal
4) Foie gras
5) Eggs
6) Balut
7) Beef
8) Pork

(more detail regarding each dish at the link)

A bit of explanation regarding #6:  Balut is a soft-boiled duck egg, where the embryo is almost fully formed--feathers, bones, and all. The egg is cracked open, the soupy liquid drunk, and the fetus dug out to eat. It's popular in the Philippines, Laos, and other Southeast Asian countries.

This article hasn't persuaded me to change my eating habits, but others here may well feel differently, so...quiz time!  

Which of these have you eaten in the past, and which do you plan to continue eating?

I've had everything except #6 (balut), and will continue to do so.  The only scenario where I can imagine voluntarily chomping down on balut is if I wind up on Survivor (unlikely at best), where it's a popular item when they do one of their "gross food eating challenges".

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:02 AM

1. You forgot the link. n/t

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Response to FSogol (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:04 AM

2. Corrected, thanks! n/t

 

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:10 AM

3. Where are the vegetables on that list? Won't somebody think of the Parsley?

Kidding.

I consume some egg, but far far less than the average 'merican. Nothing else on that list.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:10 AM

4. There is a guy in France who can produce foie gras without force-feeding.



I haven't had it yet, but NPR did a wonderful piece on the story.

Essentially, the combination of climate and amazingly good food from the POV of a goose can lead to overeating and tasty foie gras.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:11 AM

5. You also forgot... SOYLENT GREEN!

IT'S PEEEEEEEEEEOPLE! SOYLENT GREEN IS PEEEEEEOPLE!

I'm good until number 5 (though I eat eggs that the package says are from free-range chickens or get them from my sister and bro-in-law who raise chickens), skip 6, and then 7 and 8 though chicken is more common. I agree with Dave Barry that lobsters are just big sea bugs.

I called a licensed scientist, Kathleen M. Sullivan, Ph.D.,
coordinator of the undergraduate marine science program at the
University of Miami.
"Are lobsters insects, or what?" I asked.
"They're in the same phylum," she said.
**Did you hear that?** The same phylum.

TlalocW

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:12 AM

6. Have eaten in the past:

Lobster, veal, eggs, beef, pork.

The only thing I regularly eat on that list anymore is eggs, and I always look for cage-free.

For me it feels like bad karma to eat food from animals that were mistreated.

The article didn't change my mind, it reflected decisions I had already made.

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Response to MadrasT (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:24 AM

8. "The article didn't change my mind, it reflected decisions I had already made."

Nicely stated!

I must say, I miss eggs on occasion. I used to love quiche. But I love chickens more. We had Bantams as a kid. Delightful creatures. Very curious & social.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:34 AM

11. I buy eggs from a local farmer co-op.

They do a good jobs of keeping the chickens happy. They have a large compound to run around, some of it outside, but fenced in to protect the chickens from predators.

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #11)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:36 AM

13. Those are exactly the kind of eggs I'm willing to eat

that's just the set of conditions I'm looking for.

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Response to MadrasT (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:34 AM

10. Same here - although it should read "the only thing I eat ever"

I eat one out of the eight things on that list and I go beyond cage-free in terms of any eggs I consume.

I *never* eat the seven other things.

I'm a little surprised that pork comes in below beef. Dislike both industries, but Smithfield and the world of pork is an abomination.

How the fuck does the basic chicken (poultry) not make that list? Those poor things live *their entire lives* in spaces smaller than HALF of an 8 1/2 x 11 sheet of paper. They get brutally de-beaked, because their conditions are so abysmal that the factories have to keep things below an "acceptable" cannibalism rate.

I'm a vegetarian for many good fucking reasons.

And like I said, when I eat eggs, it's only eggs from birds allowed actual outdoor time and real space of movement. When cage-free means one cruel carpet of packed in birds who can't stretch their wings - that is far from good enough.

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:52 AM

20. I need to get smarter about how eggs are labelled.

I *want* only eggs from happy well treated chickens. I have to do some more research to make sure that I understand what I am buying, and that it is what I think it is.

You are right, this: "When cage-free means one cruel carpet of packed in birds who can't stretch their wings - that is far from good enough" is far from good enough.

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Response to MadrasT (Reply #20)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:56 AM

27. You really do - and I don't mean this to chide or criticize

it's very difficult, and it's a lesson we all learn as we try to do the right thing here.

The fight for better labeling is one of the most tenaciously fought fights for those of us in the world of animal advocacy, because misleading labeling sucks for both the animals and the consumer.

As consumers in the current market, it requires a lot of legwork on our part to make sure we're not part of the problem, despite best intentions.

Good for you for wanting to do that work and avoid unintended consequences.

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #27)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:03 PM

34. Yep. No offense taken. I agree. n/t

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Response to MadrasT (Reply #20)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:59 AM

30. I think there was a time you could trust the packaging - "Our chickens run free in fields!"

But now that big industry is hip to the "green-eco-veggie" movement, I'd visit the place to make sure. We have a couple of roadside stands that sell eggs. One is on an small organic farm & you can see the chickens in the fields & the little huts they have for them to go into at night. I have not bought any eggs, but the chickens are fun to watch as they search for bugs.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #30)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:02 PM

33. I live in farm country and I should be able to do that.

You are right I think, it's become big industry and I am getting less and less willing to trust that what the label says is what I think it means.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #30)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 02:07 PM

52. This thread is sounding like the script from Portlandia

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:52 AM

22. Totally agree about chickens! The sheer number we kill annually alone should put them on the list,

not to mention the horrendous conditions we subject them to. And the little male chicks at the layer plants? Unbelievable cruelty.

And dairy cows too. The taking of her calf alone - how cruel to both animals! I've read heart wrenching accounts how the mother cow & the calf cry out to each other for hours after they are separated*. Oh, but they are just animals & don't have emotions.

We are such a horrendous species. I'm so sorry for all the other creatures that have to 'share' this planet with us.

* "The Pig Who Sang to the Moon: The Emotional World of Farm Animals" ~by Jeffrey Moussaieff Masson

http://www.amazon.com/The-Pig-Who-Sang-Moon/dp/0345452828/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1349711109&sr=8-1&keywords=the+emotional+lives+of+farm+animals

This book has a few tough moments in it, but it mostly shines light on the emotional lives of farm animals. I think people should know about this aspect of the animals they eat. Not that I expect most would care.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #22)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:59 AM

29. Great post

and yes, the sheer number of chickens makes them a huge concern for all groups trying to reduce animal suffering in what remains a very cruel food system that I am no way in hell willing to participate in or support.

Once I realized what our food economy was about, I got off that train. I'm not down with that, and don't see myself ever going back to being a consumer of anything that comes through our mainstream food system.

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #29)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:06 PM

35. Trash is another by product.

I ended up at a Taco Bell drive through with a friend. It was the most veggie fast food around. I ordered a bean tostada with tomatoes. It came in a little paper tray & that little paper tray was placed into a bigger paper tray with a lid! All for a product that I consumed in less than 5 minutes. Our precious forests in exchange for a tostada tray - make that 2 tostada trays for 1 tostada.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #35)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:17 PM

40. Yes, but shit lagoons are where it's really at

don't get me started on the environmental consequences of factory "farms."

I've gone on and on about that many times here on DU...

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #22)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:01 PM

32. This one is really good, too

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Response to MadrasT (Reply #32)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:12 PM

38. Looks like a good read.

Now that I've taken up reading again - besides text books, that is, I'm thinking of getting a Kindle. I'm surprised. I'm not a gadget person. But it would be nice to download today & save shipping & packaging.



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Response to MadrasT (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:15 PM

39. I prefer venison and wild turkey. My shots are almost always clean kills...

Commercially-grown animals should be better treated. But there is something more insidious. Many areas in this country have given over thousands of sq. miles for big ag, much of it in bottom land habitat. That's a big reason why deer, coyotes, foxes, coons, feral hogs, etc are coming to your homes for dinner: they used to live there.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #39)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:18 PM

41. So, so true about Big Ag

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #41)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:22 PM

44. Bottom land ecosystems traded for soybeans.wow

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:14 AM

7. I wish someone would have told me.

Before I chowed down on my daily shark fin omelette.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:33 AM

9. Misleading title..these are not the foods I eat...

and I don't know anyone who eats shark fin soup or foie gras or ...balut, whatever the hell that is.

But I DO enjoy eating our fresh eggs, the flavor is intense.
( down here they are called "yard eggs", if you have your own hens)

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #9)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:35 AM

12. Nothing wrong, imo, with eating eggs from birds you care for yourself

and treat humanely.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #9)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:43 AM

15. I knew what some of the stuff was, the Balut I was clueless about, but it disgusted me

when a poster explained what it was. Look, there is nothing to be gained from getting into a fight with the god's sacred creatures crowd, even if an animal is humanely raised, they would be against using it for food. I saw this being a person whose diet is nearly 65% vegetable and/or fruit. I simply don't like being around people that preach absolutes.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #15)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:51 AM

19. Uh, there's a stupidity in turning off all arguments

made by a diverse group of people with a diverse set of positions by dismissing something as the "god's sacred creatures crowd."

In fact, I'd call that pretty freaking dumb.

I'm a vegetarian who's almost vegan, and I'm an animal advocate, and while I'd like everyone to eat *better* than I do, I'm excited simply by people willing to take the first step to consider where their food is coming from, think about it, limit their meat/pork/poultry consumption, and refuse to eat animals processed through the cruelest conditions.

As an animal advocate, I know people from pretty much all of the most prominent animal rights/welfare organizations, and there's a tremendous amount of pragmatism through the ranks and among the leaders of all those organizations.

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #19)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 09:37 PM

94. I spend a lot of time thinking where the meat that I eat come from.

The market that I frequent is very into cruelty free meat sourcing, going as far as to provide information that allows consumers to follow up on the market's claim. Why should a person that spends time buying meat from animals that are not abused or allowed to suffer limit the amount of meat that he or she eats if that person like meat? Your statement on consumption betrays a larger agenda of yours, IMO, you simply would prefer that people not eat meat. As I pointed out, I am a meat eater, but mostly eat vegetables and fruit. I often eat yogurt from a company that has a well established environmental protection and animal rights program that is ingrained in the company's culture. You seem to make assumptions that people that eat meat and use other animal source products can't be aware of issues around animal rights, no conclusion is more uninformed.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #94)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 10:32 PM

99. You're not reading, and you're jumping to assumptions

It's interesting that you would read "I'm excited simply by people willing to take the first step to consider where their food is coming from" and come to the conclusion that you did.

It's a syndrome. Relax, you're in the majority. It's like some people think we're going to shut off their meat supply if they don't play close attention.

If you know where every chicken, cow, pig, or egg you eat is coming from, great. You're far in advance of most people out there. If that's really the case, and if everybody exclusively ate like you do, the factory farms could not stay in business and we would be done with those abominations.

Unfortunately, on average, even if people know where some of their food is coming from, it's only a percentage of what they eat, and that means that an unfortunate part of what people eat does come from factory farm and truly unpleasant operations. That's the dominant reason I hope that even people who make an effort also seek to limit their animal consumption.

You never specified that all the food you eat is food that you know exactly where it came from, so please ease your hand off the trigger and stop leaping to assumptions. If you look at the post I responded to, you'll see that you're the one making assumptions.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:37 AM

14. are my sharkfin and lobster chips okay...

I eat them all the time...


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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:46 AM

16. Oh, and, um congratulations on your willingness to ignore cruelty?

Don't really get the angle you're shooting for much of the time.

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #16)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:47 AM

17. What was that about?

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Response to Quantess (Reply #17)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:52 AM

21. Read the OP

"This article hasn't persuaded me to change my eating habits... I've had everything except #6 (balut), and will continue to do so."

That's his takeaway from the article.

Can't say I applaud that.

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #16)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 04:38 PM

76. I'm not ignoring anything. On the contrary, I'm acknowledging it.

 

Most people in this country who eat factory-farmed meat (95% of the population at a guess) either aren't aware of what factory farms are like, or just try not to think about. I, on the other hand, am aware.

I place a higher priority on my pleasure from eating a lobster (or pig, or chicken, etc.) than I do on any suffering on the part of the animal in question...and I'm honest enough to admit it.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Reply #76)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 05:58 PM

78. And to ignore it in your final calculus

Either that or the level of importance you place on your own pleasure is a truly frightening, monstrous thing.

To actually know what the level of suffering inflicted on these animals is - and to continue to support that particularly way of getting pleasure to your gullet - is quite something.

So do you want a cookie for being "a conscious monster"?

I'm not clear what reward you're looking for here, or what statement you are trying to make.

"I know it's absolutely horrifying, but I place my individual pleasure over extraordinary suffering."

Ok, that's, uh, great?

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #78)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 06:32 PM

80. I don't ignore it, I acknowledge it and then dismiss it.  Not the same...

 

Either that or the level of importance you place on your own pleasure is a truly frightening, monstrous thing.

That's right, I picked a lobster out of the tank and had it boiled alive...and I'm glad (it was delish with drawn butter)!  What a monster I am!



To actually know what the level of suffering inflicted on these animals is - and to continue to support that particularly way of getting pleasure to your gullet - is quite something.

Something on the order of 95% of Americans do just that, even if they don't like to talk or think about it.  I'm in good company.

So do you want a cookie for being "a conscious monster"?

Depends.  Can bacon somehow be involved?



I'm not clear what reward you're looking for here,

None.

or what statement you are trying to make.

Surely I have made my meaning plain...

"I know it's absolutely horrifying, but I place my individual pleasure over extraordinary suffering."

How odd that you put that in quotes, implying that it was something that I actually said.  I don't think it's horrifying, and I don't think the suffering we're speaking of is extraordinary.

Ok, that's, uh, great?

I heartily accept your endorsement!

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Reply #80)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 07:24 PM

83. "I don't think the suffering we're speaking of is extraordinary."

Simply incredible.

http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/confinement_farm/facts/gestation_crates.html

I would like to see you last one afternoon (they spend their entire lives like this) in these conditions.

You would go mad. But do it. Let's see you spend one afternoon like this. Or one day, from dawn to dawn.

But you don't consider it extraordinary.

And pigs are incredibly smart and sentient beings. Judging from your posts on this topic, they are likely to out-do you in both categories.

So put your money where your mouth is. Or your mouth where your mouth is.

Take "THE GESTATION CRATE CHALLENGE" (tm).

Get back to me with your results.

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #83)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 07:52 PM

85. For some reason you keep equating humans with non-human animals.  How odd.

 

I would like to see you last one afternoon (they spend their entire lives like this) in these conditions.

You would go mad. But do it. Let's see you spend one afternoon like this. Or one day, from dawn to dawn.

But you don't consider it extraordinary.


Not for a non-human animal, no.  Neither, apparently, do the vast majority of other people (helpful hint:  the term "people" only applies to humans).

And pigs are incredibly smart and sentient beings. Judging from your posts on this topic, they are likely to out-do you in both categories.

By all means, let fly with the ad hominems and insults...it's the sign of a losing argument!

So put your money where your mouth is. Or your mouth where your mouth is.

Take "THE GESTATION CRATE CHALLENGE" (tm).

Get back to me with your results.


Why should I?  I'm a speciest.  Humans (you included) are far more important to me than any other form of life.  I don't want to see any human suffer unless they deserve it.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Reply #85)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 08:44 PM

89. For some reason you keep equating a non-equivalence with entitlement to dismiss

inhumane suffering.

I find that extraordinary.

And this is not about an argument. This is about unnecessary cruelty and pleasure being elevated above necessity and the attempt to eradicate cruelty. Which is far more important than some argument.

You are also endangering your health by your obeisance to the food economy. If you don't think that maintaining sensate animals in these conditions has an effect on their health, and by extension your health in terms of that natural process and the unnatural processes necessary to keep them upright until they get to your table, there's a lot you don't know.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Reply #76)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 06:11 PM

79. And to be more specific, and yes

I'm going ad hitlerium here -

you're like a Frenchman saying, "well, my neighbors thought that the Jews they directed them toward were going on a pleasant journey to America, whereas me, I knew they were going to a concentration camp!!!"

Fantastic.

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #79)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 06:36 PM

81. You're comparing cooping up chickens to The Holocaust?

 



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Response to Grave Grumbler (Reply #81)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 07:18 PM

82. Only by reducing it do you ignore the blinding logic

I'm commenting on how crazy it is that being fully aware of suffering and being comfortable with it is being presented as a morally defensible position, or that somehow there is something praiseworthy about those who are aware versus those who are unaware.

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #82)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 08:00 PM

86. So when someone sets a mousetrap with the full knowledge that it will cause the mouse to suffer

 

it's "crazy" to be comfortable with that as a morally defensible position?

News flash:  Were you able to force every American to watch the documentary of your choice on factory farming, you might, might mind you, get one or two percent of them to become vegetarians...and most of those would probably go back to eating their Big Macs after a few weeks.

Yours is the extreme position.  Mine's the norm.

or that somehow there is something praiseworthy about those who are aware versus those who are unaware.

All things being equal, being aware is better than being unaware, yes.  Why do you consider that odd?

Well, this has been amusing as all get out, but it's time to go out for dinner...and there's a plate of shrimp pad thai with my name on it!

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Reply #86)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 08:47 PM

90. You find this amusing

that says plenty.

And the significance statistically of my position is growing far more rapidly than you think.

And I assure you that more people than you think would change their eating habits significantly if they watched a documentary of my choosing. Or took the gestation crate challenge.

And there are humane mousetraps.

And no, I don't give you any credit for knowing you're a monster.

And I think I've illustrated my points (with your unable assistance) rather thoroughly.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Reply #86)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 01:22 AM

104. Sad human

It's hilarious that you keep defending your position by noting that you are in the "majority." There are countless examples of a populace's majority making ugly, unwise decisions. Hence, there is nothing defensible about that position. So you're a "specist? That's just another term for laziness and selfishness. Nothing we can say can change you. But your attitude is the very core of why humanity is such an awful species. This "species" that you prefer to all others is wrecking the planet, wars against itself, lays waste to the commons, and puts its own pleasures first and foremost. Is your life so devoid of pleasure that you must resort to cruelty to be pleased?

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Reply #86)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 01:44 AM

109. Yours is selfish.

Not the norm, nor exteme. Just what it is. Unaware, for the record. Unless "aware" has a new definition, you wouldn't know "aware" if it hit you like a bus. Unless it tasted good and made those specific democrats/liberals get all a-flutter. *cough* troll *cough*

Your entire second paragraph...thanks for that.

Sometimes, when I'm downtown I ride the TROLLey. I just do.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Reply #76)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 01:26 AM

105. Embracing it, really. Rejoicing in it.

Good for you.

No surprise. Your pleasure trumping "any suffering" aside.

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #16)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 01:36 AM

108. Ignore the OP's calling card. I guess.

The Troll has an expiration date. Let's get there.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:49 AM

18. I occasionally eat cage free, free range eggs.

I do not ever eat anything else on that list, and can't say I've had most on the list.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:53 AM

23. Any animal-related foods I buy come from tiny local farms I can visit

where the chickens are running around and the cattle are pastured. Almost everything else comes from a local food co-op. I don't trust much food at a traditional grocery store, for many reasons, including that one.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #23)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:00 PM

31. Visiting the farm itself is by far the best way

to verify where your food is actually coming from.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:53 AM

24. Not going to worry about the latest ZOMG!!!! list.

I've eaten everything here but Balut and Shark Fin Soup. I have no real interest in trying those, and I don't like veal or foie gras so I won't be bothering with those. I prefer to buy from local farmers who treat their animals well, or at an organic butcher. However, I'm not going to stop eating things because big ag treats every animal, plant, and particle of soil (not to mention workers, farmers, and neighbors) like crap. The answer is to avoid the worst sources where possible, and continue being an omnivore. We're just critters eating other plants and critters the way nature designed us, and no amount of upset over who we eat is going to change that.

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Response to Daemonaquila (Reply #24)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 01:32 AM

107. Unnatural critters

That whole "eating meat is natural" argument really died when we started harvesting animals. Now you're just rationalizing eating flesh because you think it's delicious, even if it was derived cruelly. It's one thing to hunt and catch an animal yourself. THAT would be natural. But to just drive to a restaurant and order a steak that was harvested in a factory. We've turned the planet into a buffet table. Nothin natural about that.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:53 AM

25. I eat eggs from our friend's pet chickens

And I get Niman Ranch pork and beef when I can't get beef from someone local's cow.

I know, and it already changed how I eat and buy years ago.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:55 AM

26. k,r

I'm ashamed some of the silly comments will be the exact same every time this is brought up on DU.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:57 AM

28. You made me look up Balut

so much for the rest of my appetite today

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Response to YankeyMCC (Reply #28)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:41 PM

47. I know right?

A friend of mine who is Asian took me to an Asian supermarket. There were a bunch of eggs in the corner packaged differently, in different sizes, labelled with a weird name (can't remember, maybe it was balut) and I asked her what kind of eggs those were. "You don't want to know what those are for." she told me. LOL. I insisted. I wish I hadn't. She explained it. ew.

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Response to laundry_queen (Reply #47)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 09:24 PM

92. I use them for Halloween. Our Asian stores here have different kinds of balut...nt

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:11 PM

36. The only thing on this list I eat is eggs

and they are from my very own pet hens that live in the back yard. And when it gets too hot or they get stressed out by hawks and stop laying I have a couple of friends that also have pet chickens and are happy to share. The funny thing about eggs is I was diagnosed with an egg allergy years ago so avoided them as much as possible for most of my life. Then one day a friend made a souffle using eggs from her pet hens and I inadvertently ate some and didn't have a reaction. Now, I don't eat a lot of eggs, but I can enjoy these in moderation and have no reaction to them -- I'm guessing it's because they're organic.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:11 PM

37. Why is it ok to boil live plants but not live animals like lobster

or because we are animals a lot of us have more empathy for animals than plants?

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Response to Johonny (Reply #37)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:21 PM

43. I assume because animals are sentient

Plants don't think or feel.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #43)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:43 PM

48. There was this documentary

about how plants, in super slow motion video (or photography taken every few minutes put together) actually behave an awful lot like animals. For instance, vines will 'sniff' and 'check out' which plant they want to adhere to - like they take all the info in and make a decision. Very interesting.

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Response to Johonny (Reply #37)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 02:41 PM

60. Uh, gee, maybe because animals have brains and plants don't?

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Response to Johonny (Reply #37)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 10:00 PM

97. Plants lack a cntral nervous system.

From an evolutionary standpoint, it'd make little sense for a completely sessile organism to have developed a pain reaction or a fight-or-flight response.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:21 PM

42. We get our eggs locally

and those chickens live in the Taj Mahal of chicken coops. They have all kinds of land to roam on and they certainly aren't mistreated.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:24 PM

45. vegetarian here

eat eggs. My neighbor has a coup so we usually get them from her. We rarely buy them although I have.

I have eaten everything on the list except for the balut and shark fin soup. I'm a newly minted vegetarian only about five years.

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Response to Texasgal (Reply #45)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 02:51 PM

66. Mostly vegetarian here. I do not eat enything with hair, fur or feathers,

But I do eat eggs and seafood.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:36 PM

46. Shark fin soup and foie gras are banned in California

the shark fin ban was authored by Asm. Paul Fong, one of a handful of Chinese-Americans in the state assembly. Shark fin soup is considered a delicacy by some Chinese.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:50 PM

49. never have had shark fin soup or

Foie gras ... or Balut ... was stationed in the Philippines
so I know what it is .... never wanted it ....
only have veal once a year or everyother year ...
not a big fan ... Lobster 1 time a year ...
eggs .. beef ... pork .. all the time ...

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:50 PM

50. Well, I'm one for eight, but we get our eggs from one of my wife's coworkers (raises chickens).

 

Hers are traditional barn chickens that eat whatever is in the outdoor pen. The eggs are HUGE with a golden flavorful yolk and very thick shells. You couldn't possibly mistake them for factory farm chickens eggs.

Other than that, I don't touch the other seven and haven't (the ones I did) since '89.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 01:00 PM

51. My pets make me breakfast -

- well, eggs, anyway. They're spoiled girls so no worries about being cruel there!

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Response to lynne (Reply #51)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 02:19 PM

53. Hehe...

that's sweet.

I think It's important for everyone to be conscious of what they eat, even if we continue to eat it. Excessive cruelty is not necessary. Adults should know the impact we make on the sea, land the system and the critters, etc.

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Response to lynne (Reply #51)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 02:26 PM

56. ours too! 6 red stars and we consistently get 35-40 eggs a week......

we also raised our own meat birds this year and have 4 hogs who are healthy, happy and getting BIG!

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Response to lynne (Reply #51)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 02:44 PM

62. I pictured dogs flippin' pancakes. :-)

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 02:21 PM

54. I have not had #2 or #6 and don't plan to

I have had all the rest. I doubt I will ever have foie gras again- that was a one-time thing because it was offered to me, and it was delicious. I still eat beef, pork and egg fairly regularly, although I have switched to buying the cage-free eggs and free-range meat when I can get it. I have lobster once in a blue moon (mostly because I prefer crab if I'm having shellfish) and veal once in an even bluer moon. I'll probably have them again at some point.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 02:23 PM

55. Glad to see this list is free of any Ethnocentric value judgements....

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Response to slampoet (Reply #55)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 02:47 PM

64. Why shouldn't we judge other cultures? China's superstitions, e.g., are endangering species.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #64)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 03:35 PM

73. A gulf shrimp says, what?

There are no endangered species on this list.

You are just dragging you own prejudices into a place where it isn't relevant.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 02:34 PM

57. I've eaten all of them except Shark-Fin Soup.

I have stopped eating lobster.

We raise our own poultry, beef and swine. They live beautiful, pastoral lives until we kill them.

Foie gras, done right, is not really cruel. It has just gotten a bad rap from people who don't know shit about the process.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #57)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 02:46 PM

63. I've observed the geese in the Perigord. IDK what you mean by "done right" if you mean France.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 02:38 PM

58. Lobster and Beef

are two that I eat, but crabs are also something that I eat and that is probably very cruel too (I've actually captured and boiled them myself along with friends on Grand Isle).

Eggs are only cruel if the chicken is kept in horrible conditions. Nearly every grocery store in the country has cage free eggs, and most certainly in my area, you can buy them directly from farmers and SEE the chickens themselves. I have to pass such a farm on the way to the grocery store, so I'm unconcerned about the source of my eggs being cruel.

I'm not a fan of pork, so that's not a problem. The others, I don't eat.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 02:41 PM

59. Saw something on Current TV about this.

Somebody asked if there was one thing people could do make a dent in this institutionalized cruelty, it was stop consuming eggs.

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #59)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 02:43 PM

61. See my post above yours

It's only cruel if the chickens are kept caged constantly. Chickens are going to lay eggs regardless, and if they are happy, humans might as well benefit from them.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #61)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 02:47 PM

65. Of course buying locally is always the best choice.

I believe they were referring to the mass production facilities in which animals are kept in horrendous conditions.

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #65)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 08:02 PM

87. You are correct.

I eat my eggs guilt free because I know the chickens they come from.

Egg salad with onion never tasted so good.

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #59)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 07:35 PM

84. K&R

n/t

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 03:00 PM

67. Should we all have to slaughter our own food?

It's only very recently that we have become so isolated from where our food comes from. The choices on the list appear a bit odd to me. Being in coastal New England where Lobster is a way of life for some. Why is it more cruel than Bluefin Tuna spending months in floating Pens dragged across the Pacific, or hatchery raised, fresh stocked Trout? Cage Free organic eggs are common in the markets around here. Beef and Pork issues appear tied to fairly recent factory farm issues.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 03:01 PM

68. I guess it's not as bad as eating live animals



Like



Casu marzu (also called casu modde, casu cundídu, casu fràzigu in Sardinian language, or in Italian formaggio marcio, "rotten cheese") is a traditional Sardinian sheep milk cheese, notable for containing live insect larvae. It is found mainly in Sardinia, Italy.

Derived from Pecorino, casu marzu goes beyond typical fermentation to a stage most would consider decomposition, brought about by the digestive action of the larvae of the cheese fly Piophila casei. These larvae are deliberately introduced to the cheese, promoting an advanced level of fermentation and breaking down of the cheese's fats. The texture of the cheese becomes very soft, with some liquid (called lagrima, from Latin for "tear") seeping out. The larvae themselves appear as translucent white worms, about 8 millimetres (0.3 in) long. When disturbed, the larvae can launch themselves for distances up to 15 centimetres (6 in). Some people clear the larvae from the cheese before consuming while others do not.



or Drunken Shrimp--



Drunken shrimp is a popular dish in portions of China based on fresh-water shrimp that are often eaten alive, but stunned in a strong liquor—baijiu (白酒—to make consumption easier. Different parts of China have different recipes for it. For example, the shrimp are sometimes made drunk and then cooked in boiling water rather than served live, and in other recipes cooked shrimp are marinated in alcohol after they are boiled.


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Response to snooper2 (Reply #68)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 03:06 PM

71. I've heard there's a specialty item in japan

 

that involves eating live octopus.

You have to do it just right or they choke you going down.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #71)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:52 PM

100. I think that's an old wive's tale

or what they call "urban legend" these days. There was a rumor that a Japanese restaurant chain offered live octopus, but apparently patrons don't swallow it whole, if it is offered, according to Japanese web sites. However, there was a story from Korea about a man who allegedly forced one of his girlfriends to swallow a live octopus, which caused her to choke to death.

http://www.wara2ch.com/archives/6584457.html

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 03:05 PM

69. Let's see:

 

Yes, no, yes, no, yes (all the time), no (emphatically so!), yes, yes (emphatically so!).

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 03:05 PM

70. I love eggs. I love cheeseburgers.

But not together. Yeah, I had one like that in Paris a decade ago. Not how I like 'em here though.

Bake

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 03:13 PM

72. Lobsters are like giant insects

with a primitive nervous system. I'm not sure they belong in the same category as more sentient creatures like cows and pigs.

Also, lobsters are cannibals and they'll attack and eat each other. So ....


Speaking as a Mainer, of course.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 03:38 PM

74. Why do I eat animals? They would eat us if they could.

I've eaten everything except for balut and shark fin soup.

And I cook lobsters.

I'm right with Michael Pollan though: "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants."

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 03:38 PM

75. Gummi Bears are almost extinct

Seldom seen in the wild anymore

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #75)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 09:50 PM

95. I've seen them on camping trips.

Their plastic nests and little corpses drowned in melted ice next to the last beer.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 05:09 PM

77. I eat eggs, beef, and pork, but only free range, locally sourced.

Nothing from factory farms. I shun veal and foie gras because eating them is cruel.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 08:07 PM

88. The cruelest thing I ever ate involved a little chili pepper.

 

I still have nightmares.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 09:10 PM

91. I don't eat any of those things. I'm a vegetarin, I don't

even eat eggs, I don't like them.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 09:30 PM

93. I've eaten Buddha Jumps the Wall, which is a shark-fin soup. Eaten everything else, except the

balut. Used it for Halloween, though....

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 09:53 PM

96. The hunter/gatherer debate has already been hashed for the month...

Please consider reposting next month.

Thank you,

-The Meatatarians & uninterested (so much so that they respond to OP's pertaining to such matters) others...

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 10:10 PM

98. I'm ashamed to say

But I do like veal. Piccata, Parmigiana, Osso Bucco...

But I only have it at restaurants and only during a Blue Moon.

Pork, beef and eggs I eat, but only from sources I trust. I've given up processed and fast food long ago.

And even our eggs I buy from a local farmer.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 12:20 AM

101. I couldn't eat anything on that list but for those who eat foie gras

The liver is an organ that filters toxins from the body. If that isn't enough to kill an appetite, foie gras livers are also diseased.

Mmm mmm, fatty, pre-cancerous organ meat with a side of mercury and pesticides please.




It's a wonder how various foods become ingrained in different cultures, how others become so-called delicacies, etc. Obviously learned from an early age as it seems few people give deep thought to certain aspects of it, lol.





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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 01:10 AM

102. Balut stinks like hell, too.

I've tried to eat balut--I got some down, but it is nasty. I don't remember if I have ever had shark fin soup--if I did, it didn't stick with me. I won't eat foie gras, it's really mean to the poor geese; you can eat chicken liver paste and it's more affordable and tastes better.

Not a big meat eater; but I've had the beef, the pork, the odd lobster when one of my pals catches some in his traps and brings them over. I've had venison too on the odd occasion. I've eaten veal but I avoid it because I don't like the circumstances under which it is produced and I really don't find it "sufficiently delicious" to justify the treatment of the calves. You can do chicken in the style of veal by pounding the shit out of it and making it nice and thin. Can't tell the diff with a good sauce!

I spend a lot of money on eggs. I get them locally from a place where they run around the yard. I don't eat that many of 'em, but when I do indulge, they taste like the eggs did from my childhood.

I've eaten some weird shit in the PI and Korea--I really don't want to know. I've eaten oysters from Hiroshima and impossibly expensive Kobe beef. I've also eaten lamb that was looking at me one minute and we had to step over the blood after the poor thing's throat was cut into the house welcoming us--hey, local customs and all, this meat is FRESH, see?

In my dotage I try to eat a lot of fruit and veg and stuff that is "good" for me. I don't always succeed, but I make an effort.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 03:55 AM

103. Free Range Chicken, Grass-Fed Beef…

Lobster: Best when in New England. Best of all when purchased directly from the lobsterman. Yum. Never seems to be as good when it has been flown thousands of miles at great expense.

Shark Fin Soup: Never felt any desire for this

Veal: Surely someone has come up with a more humane way to raise veal. Currently not eating veal, but I do like it a lot. While I like portobello mushrooms that were suggested in the article as an alternative, they are in no way a substitute.

Foie gras: Not something I ever cared enough about to put on the shopping list. Still glad to hear that someone has found a humane way to do it.

Eggs: We look for the freest-to-roam ones we can find. Likewise for chicken.

Balut: Never heard of it before this thread showed up. Doesn't sound very appetizing. Yuck actually.

Beef: Grass-fed from the farmers market. Also substituting bison where possible, which is not factory-farmed at all afaik.

Pork: We don't eat much pork. Haven't found good source.

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 01:27 AM

106. Limp Bizkit had that awesome song about Rollin' or Trollin' or something?

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 02:08 AM

110. 1,5,7,8

and I plan to continue eating 1 and 5

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Response to Grave Grumbler (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 02:16 AM

111. Basically, avoid factory farmed food.

Even fois gras and veal production can be done humanely.

Balut is gross but the article didn't explain why it's cruel.

Shark fin soup is right out.

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