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HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 09:16 PM Oct 2012

Why does no one consider the "All Democrats are Communists" people as lunatic fringe?

Seriously . . . this frame of mind is practically mainstreamed.

What if I were to say "ALL Republicans are hateful, extremely bigoted Fascist reactionaries who worship corporations"?? I'd be rightfully admonished by people even on my side and called much worse by those targeted for such a broadbrush.

So why is it perfectly all right, no one batting an eyelash or raising one fuss, when "All Democrats are Communists!" or some variation of it comes spewing out of a TeaHadist's mouth?

Don't believe me? Ask any garden variety Republican, RIGHT NOW, if they think this is true. Think you'll get an answer like "well, no, I don't belive that they're all (insert red bait insult)s, that's crazy."???

We pretty much give them their own segments on news shows (Victoria Jackson, Bernie Marcus on CNBC, etc), Faux or otherwise.

A Communist likely wouldn't BE a member of any mainstreamed American political party.

When the red-baiters should be in the same league as birthers, their bullshit is seen as normal instead. And that is something I have a huge fucking problem with.

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still_one

(92,138 posts)
1. I suggest that those people are people who lack critical thinking skills, or they themselves are
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 09:18 PM
Oct 2012

part of the lunatic fringe



Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
3. The Overton Window has been pushed far to the right in an orchestrated 30 plus year effort.
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 09:19 PM
Oct 2012

There has been billions of dollars spent on moving America to the right.

PDJane

(10,103 posts)
5. The problem with considering America to be a centre right country is that it isn't.
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 09:37 PM
Oct 2012

The Presidents and Congress are centre right, but the people tend to be, in most instances, more left of the administrations, no matter what party they are. They've just been brainwashed to think they are centre right!

Por ejemplo, I know at least two Texans who decided, after many long discussions, traveling around the country in a rig, and being exposed to the news all over the nation, that they were, as I had told them, progressives. They had been voting Republican because that's what ya do in Texas, eh? Their inner democrat finally came out, as did their inner atheist and various other things.

People answer those damn surveys and polls as republicans, and they need saving from themselves.

I often think that religion is a big part of that, too; among other things, religion teaches you to believe four impossible things before breakfast, and the ability to believe in the unlikely, the impossible, and the fantastic is improved. Believe in the mythical becomes something to strive for and embrace; after all, it's a small price to pay for eternal life.

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HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
7. It's fucking silly and fringe no matter what degree you're red-baiting at.
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 09:57 PM
Oct 2012

Socialism and Marxism aren't "extremist", damn it.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
9. I would disagree. I think die-hard Marxism, on the US Political Spectrum, is an outlier position.
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 10:01 PM
Oct 2012

And it should not be conflated with "socialism", which can be taken to mean everything from a European-style social safety net to a single payer health care system, which I would agree, the support of which is not extremist.

But the people who bring copies of Das Kapital with them into the voting booths? Honestly, there aren't a lot of them.

Whereas the crazies in the GOP, not only are there a lot of them, but they make up the wholly implacable nutjob base which ANY candidate must appease to survive a primary.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
8. Yes, there are probably about 7 or 8 die hard Marxists in the Democratic Party, whereas half the GOP
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 09:58 PM
Oct 2012

Thinks the Earth is 6,000 years old, Jesus rode a Dinosaur, and believes women should be put in prison for taking birth control pills.

Yes, clearly. There are "some extremists". But what you've done, here, is establish the classic "false equivalency". There is no false equivalency when one party, i.e. the GOP, has spent the past couple decades taking the express train to crazytown.

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
10. I don't like the fact that some of these fuckers also own guns.
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 10:34 PM
Oct 2012

They consider the 2nd amendment the only right.

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