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SunsetDreams

(8,571 posts)
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 08:36 PM Oct 2012

The President Was Warned Security Was Lacking, And Did Nothing.

Tomorrow Mitt Romney is set to deliver what is being characterized as an important foreign policy speech to an audience at the Virginia Military Institute in Lexington, Virginia. He is expected to draw a "stark contrast" between a Romney foreign policy and that of his would-be predecessor. Exhibit "A" is expected to be the disastrous attack on our installation that resulted in the deaths of so many American personnel.

And he has good grounds to do so.

In fact, prior to the attack on our people, the President himself was specifically warned that placing Americans in an unstable, civil war-torn Middle Eastern country barely existing with a dysfunctional government was a situation ripe for terrorist opportunity.

He ignored the advice, and Americans died as a result.

But the year was 1983. The country was Lebanon, not Libya, and Mr. Romney's would-be predecessor was Ronald Wilson Reagan.

In the attack on the American Marines barracks, the death toll was 241 American servicemen: 220 marines, 18 sailors and three soldiers, along with sixty Americans injured, representing the deadliest single-day death toll for the United States Marine Corps since the Battle of Iwo Jima of World War II, the deadliest single-day death toll for the United States military since the first day of the Tet Offensive during the Vietnam War, and the deadliest single attack on Americans overseas since World War II.


President Reagan responded by calling it a "despicable act:"

U.S. President Ronald Reagan called the attack a "despicable act"[17] and pledged to keep a military force in Lebanon


Indeed, a despicable act it was. And it was entirely predictable.

Years later Caspar "Cap" Weinberger, Reagan's Secretary of Defense at the time of the attack bitterly recalled "imploring" Reagan to pull the Marines out of a situation he considered untenable:

A former defense secretary for Ronald Reagan says he implored the president to put Marines serving in Beirut in a safer position before terrorists attacked them in 1983, killing 241 servicemen.
"I was not persuasive enough to persuade the president that the Marines were there on an impossible mission," Caspar Weinberger says in an oral history project capturing the views of former Reagan administration officials.

* * *
[H]e said one of his greatest regrets was in failing to overcome the arguments that '"Marines don't cut and run,' and 'We can't leave because we're there'" before the devastating suicide attack on the lightly armed force.

"They had no mission but to sit at the airport, which is just like sitting in a bull's-eye," Weinberger said. "I begged the president at least to pull them back and put them back on their transports as a more defensible position."


Reagan, well into his first term and eager to establish his hawkish foreign policy credentials in the face of a persistent recession, ignored Weinberger. But it was not Reagan, but the military who took the fall.

Shortly after the barracks bombing, President Ronald Reagan appointed a military fact-finding committee headed by retired Admiral Robert L. J. Long to investigate the bombing. The commission's report found senior military officials responsible for security lapses and blamed the military chain of command for the disaster. It suggested that there might have been many fewer deaths if the barracks guards had carried loaded weapons and a barrier more substantial than the barbed wire the bomber drove over easily.


Notably lacking was any organized attempt by Democratic Congressional House members to investigate the Administration's knowledge of the military's defense strategy regarding the barracks.

But there was much more reason to expect an attack than simply the concern of Caspar Weinberger.

In April, 1983, only six months prior to this attack, our Embassy in Beirut was attacked by a suicide bomber.

The 1983 U.S. embassy bombing was a suicide bombing against the United States embassy in Beirut, Lebanon, on April 18, 1983, that killed 63 people, mostly embassy and CIA staff members, several soldiers and one Marine. 17 of the dead were Americans. It was the deadliest attack on a U.S. diplomatic mission up to that time[.]


Reagan's response was to call the bombing a "cowardly act":

U.S. President Ronald Reagan on April 18 denounced the "vicious terrorist bombing" as a "cowardly act," saying, "This criminal act on a diplomatic establishment will not deter us from our goals of peace in the region."[5]


After both of these discrete attacks, the Administration moved our Embassy to a supposedly more secure location:

Following the attack, the embassy was moved to a supposedly more secure location in East Beirut. However, on September 20, 1984, another car bomb exploded at this embassy annex, killing twenty Lebanese and two American soldiers.


It's not clear what adjective or adverb President Reagan used to describe this third attack. But I trust it was a powerful one.

The Congressional Response, again, was muted, no doubt in deference to the President, the inherently hazardous nature of keeping an American presence in a war zone, as well as the human scope of the tragedy:

The House Foreign Affairs Committee April 19 voted to approve $251 million in additional economic and military aid for Lebanon, as requested by the administration. But it attached an amendment to the bill that would force the White House to seek approval for any expanded U.S. military role.

The Senate Foreign Relations Committee followed suit April 20, approving the aid request but attaching an amendment that required the president to obtain congressional authorization for "any substantial expansion in the number or role of U.S. armed forces in Lebanon or for the creation of a new, expanded or extended multinational peacekeeping force in Lebanon." If Congress did not act jointly on such a request within 60 days, however, the increase would then take effect automatically.


But apparently that was then, and this is now. As Fox News dutifully reports, candidate Romney is chomping at the bit to leap into the fray and cast blame:

“I believe obviously what happened was a tragic failure. There had been warnings of a possible attack. There had been requests on the part of … diplomats there to have additional security forces there,” Romney said on Fox News. “We expected candor and transparency from the administration and we didn’t get it.”


Darrell Issa, who in 1983 was less concerned about foreign policy and more interested in selling car alarms, has announced his intention to proceed with a full-blown investigation:

Congressional Republicans’ top inquisitor, Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), on Tuesday jumped into the bitter fight over last month’s attack in Benghazi, calling for a hearing on allegations of lax security at the U.S. Consulate there...[.]


Issa's own lack of interest in embassy security doesn't seem to bother him:

Since retaking control in 2010, House Republicans have aggressively cut spending at the State Department in general and embassy security in particular. Chaffetz and Issa and their colleagues voted to pay for far less security than the State Department requested in 2011 and again this year.


It's always instructive to look back and see how times have changed.
Or perhaps it's only instructive to reflect on who occupies the Oval Office and the Congress.

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Excellent Diary. Does anyone know what Romney Foreign policy is? Other than bomb Iran, Russia is our greatest foe, insulting our Embassies during an attack, and insulting our Allies?
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The President Was Warned Security Was Lacking, And Did Nothing. (Original Post) SunsetDreams Oct 2012 OP
I think we can extrapolate. LiberalAndProud Oct 2012 #1
He does not have good grounds. He is an incompetent, dangerous baffoon as evidenced by his trip to still_one Oct 2012 #2
Feeble Excuses Coming: Iggy Oct 2012 #3
You might want to take this up with Congress. LiberalAndProud Oct 2012 #5
Reagan was a Giant Failure in General Iggy Oct 2012 #29
You mean like this feeble excuse? Zoeisright Oct 2012 #19
EXACTLY Iggy Oct 2012 #30
Only a problem for hacks,...what's NOT know is how long after warning attacks happened uponit7771 Oct 2012 #28
Understood Iggy Oct 2012 #38
Yeah. Right. Thank you for pushing Romney's talking point. but it's false. progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #32
Incidentally, if Romney's going to be President, LiberalAndProud Oct 2012 #4
Thank you SunsetDreams Oct 2012 #17
if Romney's going to be President, he should really really try to quit pissing off ... left-of-center2012 Oct 2012 #21
Well, that too. LiberalAndProud Oct 2012 #24
and Romney should quit giving advice to terrorists KurtNYC Oct 2012 #36
I dare him criticize the President in the time doc03 Oct 2012 #6
As well as .... left-of-center2012 Oct 2012 #22
k and r--I think you pretty much have it covered niyad Oct 2012 #7
Reagan again, eh? GeorgeGist Oct 2012 #8
I wonder what country Romney will piss off tomorrow.... Tx4obama Oct 2012 #9
Thanks for that link SunsetDreams Oct 2012 #15
K&R defacto7 Oct 2012 #10
"OK you've covered your ass" chuckstevens Oct 2012 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author MadDash Oct 2012 #12
Spot on! nt SunsetDreams Oct 2012 #20
In that 47% Video.... timlot Oct 2012 #13
Excellent point SunsetDreams Oct 2012 #14
Very good point! They need to make a hardcore attack ad using that. Turborama Oct 2012 #31
What don't you add a paragraph about George W. Bush and 9/11?... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #16
Democrats major mistake over the past few decades is their unwillingness to go after sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #18
I thought Romney's foreign policy was ... left-of-center2012 Oct 2012 #23
After the terrorists killed the Marines, Reagan and Bush sold them arms. Octafish Oct 2012 #25
Gun boat diplomacy is not effective cutroot Oct 2012 #26
Issa has his nerve brush Oct 2012 #27
+ Nixon's treason that extended the Vietnam War by 8 years & Reagan's shipping US arms to Iran via patrice Oct 2012 #33
Great post. Scurrilous Oct 2012 #34
Mitt will start a WAR. BrainMann1 Oct 2012 #35
Great thread. Major Hogwash Oct 2012 #37

still_one

(92,136 posts)
2. He does not have good grounds. He is an incompetent, dangerous baffoon as evidenced by his trip to
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 08:46 PM
Oct 2012

Europe and Israel

Perhaps 9/11 is the biggest tale of dropping the ball by an administration who ignored the report commissioned by Clinton near the end of his term, and other numerous warnings, especially the presidential daily briefing of August

 

Iggy

(1,418 posts)
3. Feeble Excuses Coming:
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 08:48 PM
Oct 2012

"But, we didn't have "actionable intelligence" indicating an attack was planned on our Consulate by the terrorists"... and "the
terrorists used the protest against the stupid film as an excuse to attack our Consulate.. things happened quickly".

Duhhh..


Sorry, HRC and others: the terrorists don't send a warning note or give you a call prior to attacking our facilities in
UNstable nations like Libya.

the cat's out of the bag-- a former consulate head was just on NPR stating the problem in Benghazi was "we don't have
enough Marines to protect our consulates".

Huh? we're paying literally hundreds of billions of dollars per year for our military, and we can't have a couple dozen Marines
protecting our consulates in the middle east.. Libya, where it's totally obvious it's a very unstable place.. with 1,000's of
guys armed with automatic and heavy duty military weapons walking around??

unacceptable.

yeah, this is going to be a problem for our State Department and likely Obama as well.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
5. You might want to take this up with Congress.
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 08:52 PM
Oct 2012
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57527150/congress-to-probe-security-flaws-for-libya-diplomats/


GOP cuts to embassy security draw scrutiny, jabs from Democrats
By Alexander Bolton - 09/18/12 06:41 PM ET

Republicans have sought to cut hundreds of millions of dollars slated for security at U.S. embassies and consulates since gaining control of the House in 2011.



Did you notice the President who failed in the OP was Reagan?
 

Iggy

(1,418 posts)
29. Reagan was a Giant Failure in General
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 05:29 AM
Oct 2012

Of course he failed in the example cited in the OP.

My point is today Willard will likely bring up Benghazi and the huge failure there to protect our
valuable people, our Consulate-- and he will be correct.

there's no excuse for what happened.

Zoeisright

(8,339 posts)
19. You mean like this feeble excuse?
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 09:56 PM
Oct 2012

"No one could have anticipated the 9/11 attacks" - Condaleeza Rice

Or when Bush completely ignored the August 6, 2001 PDB that said "Bin Laden determined to strike in U.S."??? Huh? How about that?

 

Iggy

(1,418 posts)
30. EXACTLY
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 05:36 AM
Oct 2012

the profound failure of our "security" agencies under smirky was off the chart.

Rice-a-Phony's excuse is particularly bogus, since in the years prior to 9/11, there were what?
three different movies made with use of airliners as weapons the major theme?

plus the fact the WTC was bombed in 1993, I believe it was, using "more conventional" bombs.

I'm not all that interested in turning this into a partisan football-- again, we spend hundreds of Billions
per year on our security agencies, "dark" agencies, and military, year after year after year.

there's no excuse, under any administration for a Benghazi-like attack where we lose highly
trained/valuable people that are irreplaceable.

 

Iggy

(1,418 posts)
38. Understood
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 06:35 AM
Oct 2012

but again, this is a secondary sort of detail.

the policy should be 40-50 Marines there at our consulates in crappy, UNstable nations such as
in Libya. there's no doubt they could have prevented the horrid deaths of our good people

doc03

(35,325 posts)
6. I dare him criticize the President in the time
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 08:58 PM
Oct 2012

of war! That's what we heard in the Bush years, remember.

GeorgeGist

(25,319 posts)
8. Reagan again, eh?
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 09:14 PM
Oct 2012

Keeps showing up like a bad penny.

I reckon his greatest accomplishment was making stupidity respectable.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
9. I wonder what country Romney will piss off tomorrow....
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 09:16 PM
Oct 2012



-snip-

So far, Romney has managed to insult, offend and/or deeply concern Australia, Russia, Palestine, Britain, and Spain. ...

-snip-

Full article here: http://www.politicususa.com/mitt-twit-strikes-spain-romney-lesson-diplomacy-101.html



 

chuckstevens

(1,201 posts)
11. "OK you've covered your ass"
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 09:21 PM
Oct 2012

George W. Bush was warned on Aug 08, 2011 that "Bin Laden was determined to attack in the US." The above quote was Bush's reaction to that infamous Presidential Daily Briefing. So if Mittens is dumb enough to blame the Libyan attack on President Obama, maybe it's time for Congress to begin a new full scale investigation of the 911 attacks. Either Bush was an incompetent fool or he deliberately let 911 happen. Either way DO THEY REALLY WANT TO GO THERE?

This bullshit hypocrisy is breathtaking and I'm really getting fucking tired of it. It's a historical fact that modern Republicans suck at foreign policy and only an idiot would give W and Cheney a free ride for the deaths of over 3,000 Americans on 911, but hold President Obama personally responsible for the tragic deaths of 4 Americans in Libya.

Response to SunsetDreams (Original post)

 

timlot

(456 posts)
13. In that 47% Video....
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 09:28 PM
Oct 2012

Romney was asked by one the $50,000 dinner a plate participants if there were to be foreign policy incident (like the Iran hostage situation in 1979) before the election how would he response. He answered by going on some rant about Jimmy Carter, but at the end he said and I quote, "If there was an incident like that I would defiantly look to take advantage of it." end quote.

That part of the video didn't get as much play as what he said about the 47% of the American people, but the media and the Obama campaign need to go back and look at that video. I think it would damage Romney's whole creditably as commander and chief if the American people knew he was hoping for a foreign policy situation to play politics with.

SunsetDreams

(8,571 posts)
14. Excellent point
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 09:43 PM
Oct 2012

I think the Obama Campaign should take that and run with it. Perhaps they will after his "foreign policy" speech or rather lies.

Welcome to DU

Turborama

(22,109 posts)
31. Very good point! They need to make a hardcore attack ad using that.
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 07:02 AM
Oct 2012

One thing, though.

Did he say "defiantly" or definitely?

Both are damning, not sure which one is more so, though.

OldDem2012

(3,526 posts)
16. What don't you add a paragraph about George W. Bush and 9/11?...
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 09:49 PM
Oct 2012

....How was it possible that we knew Mohammed Atta and his compatriots were in this country taking flight lessons at flight training schools with CIA connections and did nothing about it but keep some kind of loose surveillance on them?

Huffman Aviation

How is it that we knew terrorists had contemplated hijacking a plane and flying it into the Eiffel Tower in 1994 but claimed we didn't think Al Qaeda was that sophisticated in their planning?

December 24, 1994: Al-Qaeda Connected Militants Attempt to Crash Passenger Jet into Eiffel Tower

How is it that information was uncovered after 9/11 that a high-ranking individual in the Pakistani ISI had sent Mohammed Atta $100,000 prior to 9/11 and was also present in the Pentagon at the time of the attacks?

The Pakistan connection

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
18. Democrats major mistake over the past few decades is their unwillingness to go after
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 09:55 PM
Oct 2012

Republicans when they should have. As a result, criminals remained free such as Elliot Abrams eg, to strike again against Democrats. If Republicans had had one tiny % of the reasons to go after Dems, they would not hesitate, as we saw with the Clinton Impeachment.

When are Dems going to get tough on Republicans? They could never have accumulated the power they now have had they had been held accountable for all their crimes against this country.

And Reagan did CUT AND RUN after the Lebanon bombings. But once again, Dems to this day, never use that against him.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
23. I thought Romney's foreign policy was ...
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 10:40 PM
Oct 2012

I thought Romney's foreign policy was shipping jobs to China, and his money to the Cayman Islands ?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
25. After the terrorists killed the Marines, Reagan and Bush sold them arms.
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 10:57 PM
Oct 2012

240 Marines, 18 Navy, 3 Army personnel were killed by terrorists who previously had struck the French and US embassies in Beirut using suicide truck bombs.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Octafish/538

cutroot

(875 posts)
26. Gun boat diplomacy is not effective
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 11:01 PM
Oct 2012

You don't even have to wonder what issa and his fox friends would say if the Russians or the Chinese or even the British, decided that our security was so inadequate that they were going to send over a few teams of their own Marines to "protect" their own embassies. We certainly have enough of our own domestic terrorism going on to make them think about it.

Diplomacy is an art not a science. All those who travel the world and staff our embassies are are well aware of the risks they are taking. The brave Americans that do these jobs know that mutual trust must be painstakingly maintained without force or coercion.

The romneys of this world have little concept of the delicacy of these operations. This is just another talking point wedge issue for him. Can you just imagine him talking and lying to groups of foreign dignitaries the way he spoke to our duly elected president?

Big Bird forever! romney never

P.S. Your post was very good by the way

brush

(53,764 posts)
27. Issa has his nerve
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 11:23 PM
Oct 2012

Issa, along with other repugs, voted to cut funding for embassy and consulate security a few months back. It'll be interesting to see if Romney mentions that. And why isn't there more information about who funded that anti-muslim film that was online for weeks but translated only into Arabic just before 911 (Arab media was then alerted) and seemed to spark all the demonstrations right on cue? And then how does that film tie in with the anti-muslim posters posted in the NYC subway and now the DC Metro? I don't think those are coincidences. It seems like a campaign designed to incite violence in the Middle East. And who's campaign would that help? I just learned that the posters, which call Muslims "savages", are set to run this week in DC. Sounds too October surprise-like for these thing to be just non-connected incidents. And now Romney is chomping at the bit to give a foreign policy speech to bash the President on the lack of security. Remember he rushed out smirking to criticize Hillary and the President for an embassy missive sent out to calm the situation before the demonstrations even began. IMO there is planning behind all these acts, the timing of them all falling in line at this late stage of the presidential campaign is just too perfect, too Rovian. I'm betting the funding for the film and the posters are from right wing sources. These people play very dirty.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
33. + Nixon's treason that extended the Vietnam War by 8 years & Reagan's shipping US arms to Iran via
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 03:44 PM
Oct 2012

Israel, for Iranian cooperation in extending the Hostage Crisis in order to help defeat Jimmy Carter.

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