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Sun Oct 7, 2012, 03:50 PM

 

Windows 8 is already universally hated, and it hasn't even been released yet

I recently got a digital copy of a PC magazine, and it had an editorial talking about the forthcoming Windows 8 and what peoples reactions have been. Here is a little slice of it -

"I've lived through Windows Millennium edition and Windows Vista - two of the most despised Microsoft operating systems in history.

ME was infamous for its instability, crashing, and suckage, while Vista stunk up the joint like a pot of old broccoli water left on the stove overnight. As much as people didn't like ME and Vista, the bile over Windows 8 has reached a pitch unlike any I recall from those earlier lemons.

People don't just dislike Windows 8, they truly seem to despise it, and it's not even out. We did an informal, unscientific poll asking our magazines Face-bookians if they planned to upgrade to Windows 8. The result was an overwhelming NO!

People are so amped up to bash on Microsoft that even the company's new logo to sync with the new Windows 8 "Metro" look was batted around like a whiffle ball by just about everyone. While it's always fashionable in tech to bash Microsoft, the vitriol was way over the top with some suggesting that the earlier logos had attitude and swagger and suggested something akin to "world domination", while the new one is nothing but a bland, boring fail."


LOL, way to go microsoft, I'm sensing an EPIC FAIL coming when this POS is released. Anyone who has seen the kindergarten big and blocky toy like interface probably isn't surprised by all the hatred.

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Reply Windows 8 is already universally hated, and it hasn't even been released yet (Original post)
quinnox Oct 2012 OP
bluestate10 Oct 2012 #1
Xedniw Oct 2012 #19
zbdent Oct 2012 #30
Xedniw Oct 2012 #31
LiberalFighter Oct 2012 #45
joshcryer Oct 2012 #47
krispos42 Oct 2012 #67
Posteritatis Oct 2012 #71
Blue_In_AK Oct 2012 #50
Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #58
Matariki Oct 2012 #85
LiberalAndProud Oct 2012 #2
LiberalFighter Oct 2012 #46
Brickbat Oct 2012 #3
Warpy Oct 2012 #4
X_Digger Oct 2012 #5
Egnever Oct 2012 #13
X_Digger Oct 2012 #17
madokie Oct 2012 #34
L0oniX Oct 2012 #77
HarveyDarkey Oct 2012 #86
Jazzgirl Oct 2012 #95
Egnever Oct 2012 #35
X_Digger Oct 2012 #41
Egnever Oct 2012 #51
X_Digger Oct 2012 #59
Angleae Oct 2012 #90
randome Oct 2012 #26
Egnever Oct 2012 #36
randome Oct 2012 #56
joshcryer Oct 2012 #49
tarheelsunc Oct 2012 #6
X_Digger Oct 2012 #8
Panasonic Oct 2012 #23
LiberalFighter Oct 2012 #48
LiberalAndProud Oct 2012 #15
regnaD kciN Oct 2012 #20
Panasonic Oct 2012 #24
PowerToThePeople Oct 2012 #44
Egnever Oct 2012 #39
LiberalAndProud Oct 2012 #42
Bjorn Against Oct 2012 #7
GreenPartyVoter Oct 2012 #52
Speck Tater Oct 2012 #9
Zalatix Oct 2012 #32
L0oniX Oct 2012 #78
woo me with science Oct 2012 #10
Logical Oct 2012 #11
LiberalAndProud Oct 2012 #89
Egnever Oct 2012 #12
lalalu Oct 2012 #14
katmondoo Oct 2012 #29
dionysus Oct 2012 #73
Kennah Oct 2012 #16
LiberalAndProud Oct 2012 #25
Go Vols Oct 2012 #61
Kennah Oct 2012 #87
L0oniX Oct 2012 #75
Spider Jerusalem Oct 2012 #18
Panasonic Oct 2012 #21
randome Oct 2012 #22
Initech Oct 2012 #27
lalalu Oct 2012 #28
Initech Oct 2012 #64
X_Digger Oct 2012 #68
Initech Oct 2012 #88
longship Oct 2012 #53
HopeHoops Oct 2012 #33
madokie Oct 2012 #37
Logical Oct 2012 #83
madokie Oct 2012 #92
Logical Oct 2012 #93
slackmaster Oct 2012 #38
begin_within Oct 2012 #40
backscatter712 Oct 2012 #43
Egnever Oct 2012 #54
PowerToThePeople Oct 2012 #57
backscatter712 Oct 2012 #74
Redlo Nosrep Oct 2012 #55
jsr Oct 2012 #66
BlueStreak Oct 2012 #60
randome Oct 2012 #63
Initech Oct 2012 #65
RebelOne Oct 2012 #62
Warren Stupidity Oct 2012 #69
IDemo Oct 2012 #70
L0oniX Oct 2012 #80
IDemo Oct 2012 #81
L0oniX Oct 2012 #82
itsrobert Oct 2012 #72
L0oniX Oct 2012 #76
budkin Oct 2012 #79
SnohoDem Oct 2012 #84
Aerows Oct 2012 #96
flyguyjake Oct 2012 #91
Aerows Oct 2012 #94

Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 03:52 PM

1. After living through Windows 7, I would rather have a 400 pound stripper sit on my face

than try Windows 8, if it is any where near as bad as Windows 7.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 04:31 PM

19. Now, now, sometimes a 400 pound stripper can be fun

 

You should try it sometime.

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Response to Xedniw (Reply #19)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 04:54 PM

30. would that be like tying a belt around your neck as you hang from the closet

bar?

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Response to zbdent (Reply #30)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 04:56 PM

31. That sounds lonely

 

Always better with two!

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 06:25 PM

45. For me Windows 7 has been okay.

Just a few minor issues that I don't even remember.

I never got ME or Vista and I'm glad I didn't. Don't remember what was before ME. But had XP and waited until 7 to upgrade. I don't believe I did anything on ME but did on Vista and also hated Office Vista version. I'm okay with Office 7 version.

I had to change the way I did some things with 7 that seemed more restrictive. But I think I'm glad those issues were set up that way.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 06:27 PM

47. Really? Windows 7 has been great for me. No issues whatsoever.

I went from XP to Windows 7 though. Skipped the Windows Vista debacle completely.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #47)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 07:30 PM

67. I used Windows 7 on my work and parent's computer

And haven't had any problems.

I have XP on my nearly-9-year-old Dell at home.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #47)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 07:54 PM

71. 7's the first one I've really liked since '98 or so. (nt)

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 06:35 PM

50. I just upgraded to 7 from XP

And I like it fine. It took a little getting used to some things, but there are many new features that I like. I never did Vista or ME. My computer guy warned me that 8 was going to be a disaster.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 06:58 PM

58. 7 is good IMHO

It's like the Grateful Dead; you'll get a good year or two, then a crappy one. 1989, 1990, beautiful. 1993? 1994? Not so much.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 09:09 PM

85. Huh? Windows 7 has probably been the best Microsoft operating system to date

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 03:55 PM

2. It is absolute fail.

Hubby beta tested. The very premise of the OS is bad. Who wants a mobile interface on their business machines? Answer: NObody.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 06:26 PM

46. What is the purpose of a mobile interface on a real computer?

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 03:55 PM

3. If people's cars, washing machines or furnaces performed the way the last few Microsoft products

have, the companies that made those products would be out of business. If my ballpoint pen acted like Vista, I'd throw it away in a second.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 03:55 PM

4. "Meh" seems to be the predominant emotion

It looked like it might be an improvement this time last year, since it promised to cut down on the absolute bloat of Win 7, but it looks like Windows is maintaining its pattern of alternating a decent OS with a total bowwow.

I'll pass, just like I did on Vista, ME, and I wish I had on Win98.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 04:00 PM

5. My windows acts and looks as much like vanilla linux as I can make it..

Every time I get a new PC with windows pre-loaded, I turn off:
-animations
-drop shadows
-tool tips
-transparency
-"effects"
-rounded windows ('windows classic' for the win)
-arrows on shortcuts
-windows firewall (I have linux router for that, thanks)
-hiding system tray icons
-user access control (I know what I'm doing, no need to pester me)
-taskbar grouping

I also do the same to any mac machines I'm using. (XFCE to the rescue!)

The fact that you can't default to the normal desktop on win 8 will kill it utterly. I think the analogy to windows ME is particularly apt.

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Response to X_Digger (Reply #5)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 04:18 PM

13. Why would you do that?

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Response to Egnever (Reply #13)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 04:25 PM

17. 1) memory bloat, 2) content is king.

My computer is a medium through which I process information. Anything unessential to that purpose, or that distracts me from that purpose- is disabled.

I don't need animations, or transparency, or pretty gradients to process information. My computer is a tool. I don't paint my tools pretty colors, either.

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Response to X_Digger (Reply #17)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 05:51 PM

34. I feel the same way

If it doesn't further my project I turn it off or better yet if I can I remove it completely.
ubuntu is the way to go as far as I'm concerned

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Response to madokie (Reply #34)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 08:19 PM

77. + 12.04 LTS Ubuntu ...my wife and I both love it.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #77)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 10:12 PM

86. That's what I use too

 

although it's set up as a dual boot, to XP for a few programs I occasionally use that won't work on Ubuntu. 99% of the time, and 100% of the time online, I'm using Ubuntu.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #77)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 06:29 PM

95. You have no idea how many times I've slapped my screen because of that bug.

n/t

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Response to X_Digger (Reply #17)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 05:56 PM

35. Memory bloat is a ridiculous reason

Memory is dirt cheap and most PC's come stock with 4 gigs anyway which is usually more than sufficient for running everything including all the animations. The processors are also more than up to the task of running everything with no hit to performance whatsoever.

It is not 1990 anymore.

Its your pc of course and you are more than welcome to do what you wish with it but the days of what you are doing making any noticeable impact on performance are long gone.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #35)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 06:06 PM

41. I generally run with 10-20 chrome tabs open, maybe multiple dev IDEs..

Maybe a couple of reference docs / pdfs, plus a couple of vmware instances of various OSs for testing.

Every little bit counts.

Why waste memory on crap I don't care about?

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Response to X_Digger (Reply #41)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 06:37 PM

51. Again memory is dirt cheap and the animations use so little of it as to be practically unnoticeable.

You are not the typical user and if you are running multiple VM's then you should be running at least 16gigs of memory. When you get to that amount of memory the impact of the the animations is so negligible its almost useless to even mention it.

I am all for running a clean system and I do myself but the idea that the typical user will see any performance gain from turning off windows animations in win 7 is just FUD

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Response to Egnever (Reply #51)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 06:58 PM

59. I can see it..

If I turn all the crap back on, I notice a speed difference in alt-tabbing between windows, program start-up speeds, file load times in other programs, compile times for projects of any heft..

And it's not just the animations, if you'll recall from post #5.


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Response to Egnever (Reply #35)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:46 AM

90. Unless you're using a 64 bit OS & 64 bit programs, anything over 2GB is wasted hardware.

Windows (32-bit) has 4GB of "address space" but doesn't generally allow the upper 2GB of address to be used by anything but hardware (video cards, sound cards, MB resources).

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Response to X_Digger (Reply #5)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 04:44 PM

26. I do much the same thing. It's a PERSONAL computer, for Christ's sake!

Microsoft has made it increasingly difficult to personalize our own computers. Some of us prefer to work with a clean desktop, not one littered with unending icons that mean absolutely nothing!

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Response to randome (Reply #26)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 05:58 PM

36. Thats not Microsoft

I install windows all the time and a clean install of windows has one Icon on the desktop. The recycle bin.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #36)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 06:54 PM

56. I agree about the desktop. It's the OEM's fault.

But Microsoft insists on putting icons that have no meaning on just about every single menu item, too. It clutters and distracts. They act like they have no idea how people want to work. All that matters to them is flashy insignificance.

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Response to X_Digger (Reply #5)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 06:28 PM

49. I do that as well!

And it's not even a memory thing for me, it's just unnecessary flashiness.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 04:02 PM

6. This is going to be REALLY bad

If everyone hates Windows 8, what is the only reasonable competitor out there? Apple. The company that charges 150% of what they should be charging, all because of the aura they have built around their brand name. In my opinion, Apple is everything that is wrong with unregulated capitalism, and they could benefit a lot from a poor Windows product.

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Response to tarheelsunc (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 04:05 PM

8. Or people will go back to win 7..

Or windows XP.. yeah, it's still around.. EOL is officially 2014, but there's talk that the EOL might get extended *again*.

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Response to X_Digger (Reply #8)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 04:37 PM

23. EOL should be extended indefinetely until everyone is on Windows 7

 

and EOL for Windows 8 should expire the next day it gets released, and move on to something else.

Windows 8 is the New Coke.

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Response to X_Digger (Reply #8)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 06:28 PM

48. Stock up on Windows 7?

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Response to tarheelsunc (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 04:21 PM

15. You just skip the release. Easy.

Microsoft has yet to improve on WindowsXP. Shame on them.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Reply #15)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 04:33 PM

20. Not so easy if you have to buy a new computer...

...and it comes with Win8 pre-loaded.

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Response to regnaD kciN (Reply #20)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 04:38 PM

24. Ok, then I download a pirated copy of 7

 

and low-level format the HD.

Then put 7 on, and get the license from MyDigitalLife.info and presto, computer is Windows 7, all legit. I do have a license for Windows 7 on this laptop, and have already upgraded to Ultimate.

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Response to Panasonic (Reply #24)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 06:21 PM

44. way to take the high road

come on, piracy?

Just install linux, bsd, or any other OS that you have legitimate rights to use.

You are not doing any good by pirating. You still add to the windows user camp, but give corporations amo to take away internet freedoms that we currently have.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Reply #15)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 06:01 PM

39. Sorry win 7 is far superior to win xp

The difference in security alone is enough of a reason to switch but there a many other reasons besides.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #39)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 06:08 PM

42. You're right.

But it was the driver issue that forced me to transition.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 04:04 PM

7. I think Windows 8 will be awesome for tablets, not so much for PCs

The Surface tablets that are launching with Windows 8 will be the first tablets capable of running PC software, that is an enormous step forward. Windows 8 has the potential to revolutionize tablets, for my PC I will stick with Windows 7 though.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #7)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 06:40 PM

52. That's what my hubby says as well.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 04:06 PM

9. Windows Fisher-Price edition. nt

 

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #9)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 04:58 PM

32. DuZY!!!

 

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #9)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 08:26 PM

78. If it's Kenner it's fun. Easy Bake OS.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 04:06 PM

10. I hate the mobile interface on MOBILE devices.

Why the heck would I want it on my computer?!

Yeah, not planning to buy this one.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 04:13 PM

11. LOL, I love the Microsoft haters on DU. Nothing released yet but these "experts" know the outcome.

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Response to Logical (Reply #11)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 11:47 PM

89. Longtime Microsoft aficionados learned a long time ago to be wary.

Beginning with DOS 6, I learned that it's better to look long before buying. They have a reputation. They've earned it.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 04:14 PM

12. That's mostly because windows 8 is not a desktop OS

Win 8 is not built for the desktop it is built for tablets and phones. People in surveys are using it on desktops. Wait till it is released and it starts appearing on tablets. I suddenly tablets will become fully functional computers able to run everything your desktop can. When that happens watch and see if business doesn't pick it up immediately. When that happens the general public will follow closely behind.

No one is going to force you to use win 8. I am quite sure there will be computers offered running 7 for quite some time.

Anyway as usual pcmag is trying to get readers with a junk article instead of actually going Into what this new one is really about.

The desktop pc is not going away but more and more people are using Mobile devices and win 8 is designed to plant Microsoft firmly in that market. It is a much better experience on a tablet where the metro interface actually makes sense.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 04:20 PM

14. Windows 98 was the best

 

Microsoft ever got and it was downhill after that. Apple and Microsoft have both gone for a cheap worker bee workforce. Through outsourcing and importing cheap labor they have both stopped innovation and creativity. Steve Jobs and Bill Gates both became what they use to hate.

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Response to lalalu (Reply #14)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 04:51 PM

29. I have said that for years

98 was the best. When my PC crashed I couldn't get it back. Haven't been happy since

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Response to lalalu (Reply #14)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 07:57 PM

73. i used win98 until around 2006 when i bought a game that required XP....

damn you Call of Duty...

but i never had problems with XP or win7... no idea why some people hate them...

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 04:21 PM

16. I haven't seen Windows 8, but people I know that have relate the same level of hatred.

This could start a trend from Windows to Linux on the desktop in the workplace.

At my office, we're pretty well embedded with all things MS, and we're planning to move from XP to Windows 7--except that we still have a bunch of ancient crap written in VB6, Clipper, and not even God knows what else. I actually would not be surprised if we stayed on XP a couple of years beyond EOL.

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Response to Kennah (Reply #16)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 04:43 PM

25. Where are you finding XP drivers?

I'd still be on it if it weren't so damned hard to deal with peripherals.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Reply #25)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 10:52 PM

87. I suspect that's a game our network folks battle every day

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Response to Kennah (Reply #16)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 08:09 PM

75. If you don't need to use proprietary software you should try a Ubuntu Live dvd....

and see what it's like. I have found everything I need to do office work and html and of course Firefox and Thunderbird. All my hardware works right from the start of a fresh dual boot install of Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (long term support). Tons of free software with public reviews about the quality and functionality. Ubuntu is not like the old time linux os. You don't need to do command line operations but you can if you want to. I wouldn't suggest this if it were not really worth it for you to try. There are plenty of reviews out there so if you read up on them you will see that there is a lot of excellent reviews. Ubuntu help is damn good too.

http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 04:29 PM

18. My reaction to Windows 8 is "meh"

am not interested because the UI is designed for a tablet/touchscreen and I use a desktop; it's in the same design paradigm as GNOME 3 and Ubuntu Unity on Linux. I'm not planning to upgrade, personally (and I'll stick with KDE on Linux).

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 04:35 PM

21. Turning Windows 7 to a phone is a bad idea.

 

I saw Windows Phone, and could smell the FAIL on it - my dad returned it after one day.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 04:36 PM

22. Put me down for full agreement.

Microsoft thinks changing the Start Menu represents groundbreaking technology! It looks horrible and VERY, VERY cumbersome to organize things the way you want.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 04:44 PM

27. Fail #1: trying to merge cell phones and desktop computers. Fail #2: the pay as you play gaming service.

If Microsoft alienates the gaming crowd they will lose every time.

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Response to Initech (Reply #27)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 04:50 PM

28. XBOX

 

Is one the best things they have going. It would be suicidal to mess with it.

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Response to lalalu (Reply #28)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 07:23 PM

64. And the first round of games they announced? Cell phone crap! They're screwed

With Steam going to Ubuntu this year - there's going to be no reason to buy a Windows license ever again.

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Response to Initech (Reply #64)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 07:37 PM

68. *If* Steam can get the good titles onto linux, yes.

I wouldn't be a mac gamer- the steam release on mac of a title is 6-12 months behind the PC release sometimes.

I foresee a lot of $5 indie titles on steam for linux, then a backporting of the catalog.. very very slowly.

Give it 18 months post launch, though? Could be interesting.

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Response to X_Digger (Reply #68)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 11:42 PM

88. Valve themselves said it's going to be a slow rollout.

Right now the only title I've seen available is "Left For Dead 2", but that runs on the HL2 engine and if they can get that running on Linux they can get everything running. But with that pay-for-play crap they have on Windows 8, expect a lot of gamers to jump ship or hold onto their Windows 7 licenses.

Microsoft also threw a huge percentage of its' audience under the bus - and that's system builders and enthusiasts. We want real operating systems - not a cell phone OS disguised as a desktop OS.

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Response to Initech (Reply #27)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 06:42 PM

53. That's because M$ doesn't use the Linux kernel.

It's scalable. Android uses a version. Many of the largest supercomputers use it. Apple Mac uses it (well, BSD actually -- same oh). I use it on all my computers for over 15 years.

Linux. No crashes. Ever. (Hardware problems excepted -- no OS can survive a main hard drive crash.)

M$ sucks.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 05:47 PM

33. Yeah, but Win7 beats the hell out of Vista. There's no need for another version other than $$$$$$$$.

 

"Oh, but nothing will be compatible with Win7 in a year or so. You HAVE to upgrade to Win8 just because, well, we're M$."

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 05:58 PM

37. Reading this post and the replies

I have to say that maybe one needs to check out one of the Linux distro's. I wouldn't go back to windows on a bet, no way no how

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Response to madokie (Reply #37)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 08:55 PM

83. Not a real end user OS. Most non-tech people would have major issues.

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Response to Logical (Reply #83)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 09:41 AM

92. Little do you know

If you ever decide to get away from microshaft, you'll find that linux is easier to learn than an upgrade of microshafts new offering is.
When I finally made the switch I was blown away at how wrong I was all that time that I thought that Linux was difficult. It was falling off a log easy. My decade plus old computer got a new lease on life that day too.

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Response to madokie (Reply #92)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 06:05 PM

93. LOL, little do you know, dozens of family and co-workers have asked...

Me why their Linuxinstalls ave not worked. It is not a home user OS. And I have written drivers for it so quit acting like you know it all!

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 06:00 PM

38. Still using Windows Server 2003 on my home system here

 

And a big-ass iMac at work, running Linux virtual machines for development.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 06:01 PM

40. Sometimes I really wonder about Microsoft, and who must be making the big decisions there...

...then after about 10 seconds I snap out of it and happily continue working on my Mac.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 06:14 PM

43. Windows 8 is Microsoft's attempt to completely lock down the Windows platform.

For an OEM to get certified and be allowed to put Windows 8 on their hardware, they require UEFI in the bootloader with hard-coded crypto that prevents users from installing alternative OS's like Linux. Windows 8 is also going to be locked down so that the only way you're allowed to install software is through the Windows Store. Got your own apps you want to sideload? It won't let you.

Up until Windows 8, Windows was an open platform - if you've got the skills and the development tools, you can write your own code and run it within Windows. Not anymore. Microsoft has to approve your code before they'll let you run it. And we all know they're going to be censoring right and left!

FUCK MICROSOFT!

Why isn't the DOJ bringing the hammer down on them for anticompetitive and predatory business practices?

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #43)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 06:43 PM

54. Pretty hard to make that argument

With the stuff apple is getting away with these days.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #54)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 06:56 PM

57. when I buy a piece of hardware

That is what I want. The hardware. I would decline the software EULA and get any refund possible.

Apple "bundles" hardware and software as a package deal. They make both.

I do not see Microsoft hardware anywhere, do you? (besides keyboards and mice)

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Response to Egnever (Reply #54)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 07:58 PM

74. I don't like Apple either.

They're the canonical example of the corporate-controlled walled garden.

If you want to make software that runs on a Mac, or on an iPhone, it must be approved by Apple, otherwise the computers and phones are programmed to not let you run it, and users have been fighting with Apple over this since day one by jailbreaking their phones, for example.

Microsoft wants to do that too - they want to play gatekeeper, and force everyone who wants to develop for Windows 8 to pay the Microsoft Tax.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 06:50 PM

55. Computer Illiterate Still Clinging to Her XP

Since I grew up when spell-check was a dictionary, delete was white-out, copy was carbon paper, and input devices were typewriter keys, I decided in 2004 to go back to school to get over my phobia about computers.

I graduated with A's in my word processing classes and adored XP because it was user-friendly and did everything I needed it to do.

I've been on Vista since it was installed on the laptop my hubby got, but I'll always be an XP girl. It could be Windows 13 and I still wouldn't go there.

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Response to Redlo Nosrep (Reply #55)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 07:27 PM

66. Win XP and Office 2003 is all you need really

Simple, easy to use, easy to find stuff.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 06:59 PM

60. Throughout Microsoft's history, their pattern is one good release followed by

one horrendous release. Three are almost no exceptions. Every other release is despised -- usually for very good reason. Windows 7 is well accepted. Vista was horrible. XP was good, and so on. If this pattern holds, Win7 will be the place to be for the next 3 years.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #60)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 07:06 PM

63. It's not ONLY an upcoming horrible release, though.

They are also spitting on their OEMs by telling them we'll manufacture our own hardware from now on but we'll keep letting you have some of the business, too.

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Response to randome (Reply #63)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 07:26 PM

65. They've also short changed a huge part of their market: system builders and enthusiasts.

You give us an inferior operating system - we'll move to Linux or use Hackintosh.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 07:04 PM

62. That is why I have a Mac.

It has a much better operating system. I had too many problems with Windows when I had a PC.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 07:45 PM

69. Msft is looking past desktops to tablets phones and tvs.

Why they have crippled the desktop ui in win8 is a mystery of overpriced strategy consultancy. On the other hand there are already third party apps that retore the damn start button and make win8 usable on the desktop and laptop. Once you do that win8 is actually pretty damn good. Lots of new features including incredibly fast boot times and usb3 support, cloud integration, a new storage filesystem and data archiving system, plus if you do run it on a tablet or phone (or soon on a tv) the metro ui is fine.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 07:52 PM

70. I'll cling to my dual-boot Win7 / Linux Mint machine until it croaks

Then go to Newegg, buy another Gigabyte board and start over.

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Response to IDemo (Reply #70)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 08:36 PM

80. Hehe ...luv my GA-8IPE1000 Pro-G rev4 's

Bought a bunch of them used for backup Mbs ...from China. Perfect for Ubuntu and a 5 yr raptor hd.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #80)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 08:41 PM

81. Socket 478 and a parallel port?

Those may be dinosaurs by today's Ivy Bridge standards, but that's the beauty of Linux - it's all good.

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Response to IDemo (Reply #81)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 08:50 PM

82. Yep 478 3.2ghz cpu 2g ram and a high end Radon vid card.

Boots a lot faster than my old XP box ...no crashes. WarZone 2100 runs great.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 07:55 PM

72. Windows 7 works find for me

n/t

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 08:15 PM

76. People ...you really should try Ubuntu ...try a live dvd.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 08:28 PM

79. I use a Mac primarily but don't mind Windows 8

It's just Windows 7 with a tablet UI on top of it.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 09:07 PM

84. I tried the beta version for several months

on an old underpowered laptop with 2 GB RAM.

I hated Metro and everything associated with it. Really hated it. I don't have a tablet or and iPhone and found the Metro interface confusing and useless with a mouse and keyboard. Once I got to the desktop - no start menu... I've used MS OSs since the DOS 3 days. The Win95 style interface may not be the best but it was familiar. UI changes since 95 had been incremental, so it was very easy to move from one version to the next.

It did boot quickly and everything I installed on it - Chrome, Firefox, Open Office, Visual Studio Express, etc. ran reliably, as did a custom application I maintain. For a beta on an underpowered machine, it seemed quite stable, I didn't use it all the time, but my partner used it every day for web browsing, Skype, and such and I never had to go fix anything.

If MS had left the Win 7 interface intact with an option to boot directly to the desktop, I would have thought Win 8 was okay. You have a phone or tablet, you get Metro. You have a laptop or PC, you get a normal Win 7 style desktop. Doesn't seem that difficult for a company with MS's resources. I can get different UIs for a Linux system. They're all Linux - only the UI is different.

The old laptop is back to running Ubuntu.



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Response to SnohoDem (Reply #84)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 06:34 PM

96. Playing games (which I do and always have)

is easier under Windows. That said, if I had a choice between Windows 8 and hacking my games to run under a Linux distro, I'd run them under a Linux distro.

Windows 8 is *trying* to utilize arm along with their usual bullshit ways of evading IP - both law AND piracy. i.e. they screw customers coming and going and don't do anything to really prevent piracy since their sole intent is to make money, not advance the industry since Steve Ballmer took over. He is nothing but a parasite, determined to leech all creativity out of the company at the highest dollar, just like Bobby Kotick is doing to Blizzard.

These idiots don't care about making a product, they care about stock prices and how they can manipulate them. They could give a crap if you buy a good product, as long as they can manipulate stock prices long enough to make a short sale/profit/destroy the company.

Steve Ballmer and Robert Kotick are going to destroy every thing good about the computing and gaming industry, because they don't give a shit about it beyond it making them money.

They don't care about you, they don't care about the industry, and they don't care about jobs. They care about Steve and Bob.

Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were NOT this ruthless, but they bear responsibility for turning their companies over to ruthless assholes that have every intention of running the company into the ground so that they, these crooked individuals, can retire to the Caymans.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 02:35 AM

91. I love windows 7. I hate windows 8.

 

It's ugly, it's not intuitive and it's the wrong direction for Windows.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 06:22 PM

94. I am usually a pioneer in using the latest in Microsoft products

Windows 8? It's pretty much for phones.

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