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(2,117 posts)fascisthunter
(29,381 posts)tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)She said it was a conspiracy theory and used it as a lead-in for the unemployment rate truther movement.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)At least I haven't noticed that position. I have read posts describing why as a matter of principle and a violation of rules, it reveals Romney's low moral character. Rachel is great but she doesn't always get it.
polichick
(37,152 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)If Democratic politicians and liberal-leaning pundits don't think this is worth looking at, then I tend to think it's a waste of time speculating.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)But trust that Mitt wouldn't sell what's left of is soul for whatever it is he desires, nah.
I put nothing past him.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)something suspicious. Why would you give him a break on this? Republicans cheat at every turn. I am surprised you would defend him.
Cirque du So-What
(25,932 posts)You think he had that 'Big Bird' remark among his 'zinger' crib notes?
doc03
(35,325 posts)I remember a few years back there was the "W" wearing an eyepiece in the debate conspiracy.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)thing 'cause it was true enough. The problem with the whole "tin foil hat" stuff is that anything that is odd can be dismissed that way but ultimately evidence sometimes is blatant as in the Bush wore an ear piece for Debate 1 with John Kerry.
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2012
doc03
(35,325 posts)don't have time or the patience to read War and Peace tonight?
jimlup
(7,968 posts)Obviously there will never be "proof" at the level of a conviction or an admission. But he wore a fucking wire and totally acted like it. Go figure... You don't have to do any reading to open the link and see the picture which is pretty obvious and blatant. NYT decided not to run the story for fear of appearing "partisan". Suits don't fold or bunch that way. They just don't.
jsmirman
(4,507 posts)"The Emperor's New Hump":
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2012
I think it's pretty certain he did from reading that (it's not nearly as long as War and Peace).
doc03
(35,325 posts)way or the other. I rank it in the tinfoil hat status just like all the conspiracy theories on the right. We have people on our side just as crazy as the Rethugs. They had Bush having gay affairs with reporters, affairs with Condi Rice, never serving his time in the military, missing arrest records for cocaine, etc. They had Clinton committing every murder in the last 20 years in Arkansas, running drugs from South America, being a closet communist, burning the flag, crooked land deals, etc
jsmirman
(4,507 posts)as the truth or as worthy of that much strong consideration.
YMMV.
cleduc
(653 posts)and maybe contributing to starting the ball rolling, I would phrase it a little differently.
In that thread, it was presented as a question. Given what the video shows in the first 11 seconds, I don't think it was an unreasonable thing to ask. The rules suggest a candidate gets blank paper and a pen and what was on that video showed something other than a paper and pen. We didn't know what it was so we asked.
In that thread, I also expressed that we should be cautious to get it right and it was submitted to the Obama campaign "Truth team" to get the concern addressed if it needed to be addressed.
I happen to feel there's a big difference between that and what has transpired with the birthers or truthers.
A lot of concern with the video died down with the response of the Romney campaign and the photo of Romney using a handkerchief during the debate. And with folks in the media looking into it to get an answer.
I remain merely curious about what the three white things are in this photo
paper, handkerchief and ? (white corner at top of paper)
but a big part of my concern died with the handkerchief photo.
So I don't entirely agree with Rachel's categorization of this. Rachel suggests that this "conspiracy theory" attempts to explain why Romney won the debate. I haven't seen that. When Rachel's blog, "Mitt's Mendacity",
http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/10/05/14246577-chronicling-mitts-mendacity-vol-xxxvii?lite
exposed a lie last January in Volume I, did that exposure of a single lie explain why Romney may lose his campaign? Hardly. But it was a snippet of evidence on why he may well go on to lose it: people don't trust him because he lies. That conduct evidenced by a single lie revealed last January contributes to the case that he lacks character because he frequently lies. But the other 700 or so lies documented in that blog is what makes that case much more convincing - as opposed to the single lie.
If what Romney threw on the podium in the first 11 seconds of that video had been cheat notes, we may well have gone on to debate how that might have affected the outcome of debate. But I haven't seen that case really being made in the material I've seen on this. Like the lie(s) Rachel reported last January and beyond, it would have been first and foremost, another bit of evidence about his lack of character. Whether it changed the outcome of the debate would have been another question.
Given what that video showed, it was not an unreasonable question to ask. And given Romney's proven history of deception documented by people like Rachel, Romney's own conduct with the truth contributed to the level of distrust providing a foundation of suspicion for the question to be asked in the first place.
So I feel no shame nor regret for asking a question.
Raine
(30,540 posts)to let it go.