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Fri Oct 5, 2012, 01:53 AM

A Win? ( Nance Greggs article)

BY NANCEGREGGS, ON OCTOBER 4TH, 2012
http://www.democratsforprogress.com/2012/10/04/a-win/

MUCH More at link. I'm trying to edit it down more but it keeps timing out...


"...What I saw last night was a President who had prepared for an honest debate on the issues. But there was no debate. One cannot debate lies and misrepresentations. One can’t argue about whose plans for the country are more sound, when their opponent is simply pulling “facts” out of their own ass.

Most importantly, no serious politician should be expected to score points based on whose lies are better told than his opponent’s.

But that’s exactly what Obama was expected to do, to counter non-facts presented as though they were the truth, to take seriously a man who changed his former positions and proffered them as long-held policies. And the MSM was more than anxious to hang the Winner’s Wreath around the neck of the man who, in their estimation, lied like a true champ.

What I took away from last night’s performance was a renewed admiration for a man who honors his position by keeping it uppermost in his mind, and conducting himself accordingly. Despite being continually baited into the mud pit, Obama was steadfast in his refusal to get just as dirty as his opponent. He stuck to the truth and the facts – apparently to the dismay of those who thought, even momentarily, that a good roll in the shit was called for...

Needless to say, the Mitt adorers know no more today than they did yesterday about how he intends to accomplish all he has repeatedly promised. No specifics, no numbers, no details – just the same old/same old “elect me first, and then we’ll discuss it” obfuscation that a well-practiced flim-flam man extols before the satisfaction guaranteed or your money happily refunded label falls off the bottle of cat piss he’s passed off as a cure-all for all that ails a troubled populace.

I’ve seen a lot of Where was Obama? comments today. I can’t help but wonder where those who pose the question have been for the past four years. Well, he was right there, not acting presidential, but being presidential – the very personification of a man who, by virtue of his own principles and those rightly attributable to the office he holds, was not about to engage in a game of I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I. He instead engaged his real audience, the voters interested in the truth rather than the bullshit being tossed around on stage by an idiot too politically ambitious to be honest, and too self-absorbed to believe that something as expendable as the truth should stand in his way...

When you’re running for the highest office in the land, the most powerful position on the face of the earth, and what sticks with the voters is your War on Sesame Street, you’ve got to figure that your grand-slam debate performance was nothing more than a flash in Oscar’s garbage can – only far less important in the great scheme of things.

And so it was.

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Lucinda Oct 2012 OP
Lucinda Oct 2012 #1
BlueCaliDem Oct 2012 #2
Misskittycat Oct 2012 #3
longship Oct 2012 #4
Maximumnegro Oct 2012 #5
Lucinda Oct 2012 #9
Raine Oct 2012 #6
seabeyond Oct 2012 #7
Waiting For Everyman Oct 2012 #8
Uncle Joe Oct 2012 #10
Lucinda Oct 2012 #11
Whisp Oct 2012 #12
Lucinda Oct 2012 #18
spanone Oct 2012 #13
treestar Oct 2012 #14
Lucinda Oct 2012 #17
treestar Oct 2012 #19
Lucinda Oct 2012 #21
Mad_Dem_X Oct 2012 #15
aikoaiko Oct 2012 #16
Bozita Oct 2012 #20

Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 02:09 AM

1. Still cant edit...but it's all wonderful...and I'm kicking it

and going to bed.

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 02:25 AM

2. K&R - Nance is THE BEST! I miss her here. eom

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 03:50 AM

3. Bravo, Nance.

How is it possible that an arrogant, obnoxious, lying pig can be declared a winner by all the Very Serious People on TV? And, by the way, I didn't see a "strong" performance. I saw Romney being insecure and nervous -- interrupted by bouts of mendacious bluster.

Were they all watching a different debate than I? Seriously, if I hear one more Very Serious Journalist/Pundit tell me that Mitt Romney scored a home run last night, I'm going to throw something through the TV screen.

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 04:17 AM

4. There are two big Nance threads tonight.

Either choose one or support them both.

Nance needs to be heard. We all miss her. So support all the Nance Greggs posts. That way we don't miss promoting our former DU icon.

We miss you Nance!

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 04:17 AM

5. My favorite post of the day

Thank you.
Now I've got the song "If you don't know me by now" in my head. Applies to both candidates, I think...

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Response to Maximumnegro (Reply #5)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 02:17 PM

9. Now I've got the song in my head.


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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 04:32 AM

6. ABSOLUTELY on point, BRAVO to

Nance!!!

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 07:42 AM

7. works for me. that is how i see it. every time i heard, mitt won, i asked.... with all lies?

how is that a win? why is that a win?

and every person back down and said

ya, there is that.

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 08:37 AM

8. K&R

Very well said. The sidelines influenced the story too much in this event. Real opinion wasn't nearly so extreme.

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 02:24 PM

10. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Lucinda.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #10)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 03:22 PM

11. YVW. Thanks for the kick.

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 03:25 PM

12. That was so excellent and so on point.

 

I wish I read this a couple days ago and I wish a lot of others had read this a couple days ago too, for different reasons.

Onwards and upwards.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #12)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 04:01 PM

18. I left a lot of good bits out too.

I hope people read the whole piece. I do understand why some people felt differently, but Nance said exactly what I had been thinking.

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 03:26 PM

13. k&r...

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 03:31 PM

14. I was kind of taken aback to come on DU and find all the hand wringing

Obama was as he always was and Mittens was a hyped up smirking freak. Flip flopping as usual. What are people's judgments on who "wins" based on if they thought Mitt won?

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Response to treestar (Reply #14)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 03:47 PM

17. I do understand that people wanted the POTUS to be more assertive

but I didn't see it that way at all. People don't change their votes because of a debate, and it's always best to just be yourself.

I didn't see anything that Romney did as being a positive for the viewers. And I knew he'd be in trouble after the big bird comment. It was on the road to going viral the minute the sentence left his mouth.

The only Rep that I know that has even mentioned the debates likes Romney even less now. Most of them are dead quiet about the debate in my red little corner of the world.

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Response to Lucinda (Reply #17)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 07:07 PM

19. Rmoney doesn't even inspire much enthusiasm in the Rs

And the Big Bird comment is going to eventually be seen as a gaffe.

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Response to treestar (Reply #19)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 08:15 PM

21. Twitter hit on it immediately

BigBird was biting back by the time he got to the next sentence.

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 03:38 PM

15. K&R

I miss Nance.

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 03:45 PM

16. K&R



Kudos for using "Ronnie, the Bren Gun Girl".

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Response to Lucinda (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 07:12 PM

20. Bigtime K&R

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