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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 03:58 PM

Ok, so let's just say Obama was off his game last night. Why? What happened?

I only saw a couple of minutes of the debate, since I had to go to bed early. But the only thing I saw was a very tense Obama who looked nervous and rather downcast.

This is atypical of him. A mediocre performance I can understand. It happens. But a BAD one (according to all the mass-media buzz this morning)? What was going on in his head? Or was he sick? Could it have even been a strategy?

Have any of the pundits offered any thoughts on this today?

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Reply Ok, so let's just say Obama was off his game last night. Why? What happened? (Original post)
Chemisse Oct 2012 OP
pipewrench Oct 2012 #1
flamingdem Oct 2012 #2
applegrove Oct 2012 #20
SeattleVet Oct 2012 #3
Chemisse Oct 2012 #11
underpants Oct 2012 #15
SeattleVet Oct 2012 #21
ailsagirl Oct 2012 #4
Beringia Oct 2012 #6
ailsagirl Oct 2012 #9
Chemisse Oct 2012 #12
OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #5
Chemisse Oct 2012 #13
taught_me_patience Oct 2012 #7
gollygee Oct 2012 #8
Glitterati Oct 2012 #10
spanone Oct 2012 #14
underpants Oct 2012 #17
aint_no_life_nowhere Oct 2012 #16
MadHound Oct 2012 #18
Chemisse Oct 2012 #23
underpants Oct 2012 #19
deaniac21 Oct 2012 #22

Response to Chemisse (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 04:15 PM

1. Because Romney moved to the center.

Throwing the tea-party under the bus and into the lake just to appeal to independents was the only strategy he had left. This is going to be used against Romney and might create a rift.

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Response to pipewrench (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 04:17 PM

2. And he threw buckets of lying slime in a manic manner

that would make anyone's head spin.

Try to nail down jello and you'll have the right feel of dealing with Rmoney last night

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:34 PM

20. Yup.

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Response to Chemisse (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 04:19 PM

3. How long was he on the ground in Denver before the debate?

Every time I've been to Denver it's taken me at least a day to begin to adapt to the thin air. The first day or two I tend to be sluggish. When I first started watching the debate my first thought was that he wasn't altitude-acclimated.

Even when I was stationed in Denver (USAF, Lowry AFB, now closed) and completely used to the thin air, if I went to, say, New York for more than a couple of days it took another full day or two to get back to feeling normal when I went back to Denver (or, as 'normal' as I usually am, for very small values of 'normal'). I really think that this was the bulk of the reason for the President's appearance and actions last night.

I believe that Rmoney practiced for the debate in Denver for a week or so, and was completely acclimated.

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Response to SeattleVet (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 08:25 PM

11. Interesting theory.

It really seemed there had to be a reason, particularly because he seemed off right at the outset, before the debate enve got started.

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Response to SeattleVet (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 08:31 PM

15. Al Gore apparently said the same thing

Of course he will be ridiculed for it but you both have a point.

I went to do an audit in Salt Lake City back in the 90's. I didn't run then as much as I have recently but I still wanted to get a run in.
I got about 1/2 mile out and I thought my lungs were going to explode.

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Response to underpants (Reply #15)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:20 PM

21. Didn't hear that Al Gore has also mentioned this.

But it's definitely a possible cause of what we saw last night.

Obama had been doing debate prep in Las Vegas, at about 200 feet above sea level. He lands in Denver, one mile high, and heads to the debate about 2 hours later. He had no altitude acclimation whatsoever. Rmoney's team played it perfectly - they had him do his debate prep there for several days, so he was fully acclimated, functioning, and lying his ass off with style.

Even when I went on ski trips I'd usually spend a night in Denver, then drive to the mountains the next day, rest and relax, and then start skiing the following day.

One trip through we went to visit a friend. We arrived late, spent the night then went to see the guy. He lived on the second floor, and we were completely wiped by the time we climbed the stairs. We were pretty useless for most of the rest of the day... sluggish, slow thought process. It wasn't until late afternoon on the day after arrival that we felt like we were functioning properly, but that was just our feelings. I'm sure that anyone that knew us would see that we weren't quite 'right' until at least the second day. And one beer would pretty much put us on the floor for a day or two.

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Response to Chemisse (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 04:19 PM

4. He did seem downcast-- from the beginning

We can't know what's going on with him unless he tells us. Otherwise, it's just speculation.
But I'm sticking to him like glue.

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Response to ailsagirl (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 04:27 PM

6. That is what I was thinking

You can't really know why he was kind of flat. How can you not get pumped up for an occasion like this?

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Response to Beringia (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 04:34 PM

9. He's been campaigning his heart out for many months

And he's Leader of the Free World-- it's possible other things were going on that we simply can't know about.

To the people jumping all over him: Walk a mile in his shoes.

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Response to ailsagirl (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 08:28 PM

12. My support is certainly not waning - and I hope others feel the same way.

Romney has said so many things that are so bad. He can't negate all that in 90 minutes.

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Response to Chemisse (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 04:24 PM

5. Hmmm. The President was on his game last night....

...you just didn't understand what game he was playing.

The game was to allow Mitt to trap himself in as many lies as possible...and he told quite a few last night.

We're already seeing a couple of pro-Obama ads outlining the fact that Mitt lied repeatedly. Additionally, most of the media, including the foreign media, has been to reporting the same thing.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 08:29 PM

13. Maybe. He is certainly brilliant.

It seems a risky strategy though. And why give up (potentially) 2 points in the polls to reveal the lies. Romney would have said them no matter how Obama performed.

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Response to Chemisse (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 04:30 PM

7. Here's my (boxing) analogy

Obama had a conservative plan to jab, stay away, and cruise to victory. Mitt did the equivalent of coming out and tackling Obama. When that happened, Obama simply couldn't recover. He went conservative, in order to fight another day. Obama should adjust in rounds 2 and 3.

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Response to Chemisse (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 04:34 PM

8. I suppose he was being very cautious

He had more to lose, and Romney needed to take a risk.

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Response to Chemisse (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 04:36 PM

10. Who cares? We need to focus on the recovery

What purpose is served by guessing? None.

We just have to keep moving forward by each one of us going out there and fighting for Obama.

He will recover. He will hand Romney's ass to him. Of that, I am certain.

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Response to Chemisse (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 08:30 PM

14. you can't debate a person willing to change their positions at the drop of a hat

i think he was pissed.

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Response to spanone (Reply #14)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 08:32 PM

17. I agree but he (they) had to expect Romney to lie

hell he HAS to read some form of the Fox News script or he will be cast aside.

They should have been prepared for it.

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Response to Chemisse (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 08:32 PM

16. Romney was extremely aggressive - his tone was dismissive

He was a dick in the Republican debates, too.

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Response to Chemisse (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 08:34 PM

18. First of all, you are depending upon the mass media to shape your opinion, stop that.

 

The mass media wants a horserace for an election. It sells ads, it sells copy. A race where Obama is pulling away while Romney flounders means less media consumers. The media has no compunction about doing what it takes to make the race into a much more profitable horserace.

Second, watch the actual debate instead of just a "couple of minutes". Again, make up your own mind.

Third, who cares what the pundits say? They are, many times, a part of the problem, not a part of the solution.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #18)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 01:43 PM

23. That is true. I did tape it but once I saw - via mass media - that Romney "won"

I had no interest in watching it.

Also, I did notice in those few minutes (during the opening statements) that Obama was not presenting himself well. The news reports in the morning, which included a confirming statement by Axelrod if I recall correctly, confirmed my own impression.

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Response to Chemisse (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 08:34 PM

19. The best explanation I have heard (probably spin) is from Axelrod

they wanted "to look Presidential" and did not want to get into a mud slinging match. They know that Obama has an edge in likeability and trust so they didn't want to turn off the middle/undecideds.



There were gaping holes in Romney rhetoric that *I* was calling him on watching at home.

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Response to Chemisse (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:24 PM

22. He was a little bored I think but the msm

is pumping Rmoney up.

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