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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 08:44 AM

New Obama Ad! -- Mitt Romney's Debate Performance: "Mostly Fiction"


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Reply New Obama Ad! -- Mitt Romney's Debate Performance: "Mostly Fiction" (Original post)
bigtree Oct 2012 OP
JoePhilly Oct 2012 #1
bigtree Oct 2012 #4
Hutzpa Oct 2012 #40
OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #53
JoePhilly Oct 2012 #72
lindysalsagal Oct 2012 #91
Kalidurga Oct 2012 #73
ProSense Oct 2012 #2
99th_Monkey Oct 2012 #74
regnaD kciN Oct 2012 #77
Blanks Oct 2012 #94
grantcart Oct 2012 #3
scheming daemons Oct 2012 #5
bigtree Oct 2012 #7
littlemissmartypants Oct 2012 #19
DaveJ Oct 2012 #48
obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #13
Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #27
obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #87
hamsterjill Oct 2012 #41
NYC Liberal Oct 2012 #47
OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #52
Indpndnt Oct 2012 #54
onenote Oct 2012 #93
obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #95
onenote Oct 2012 #98
regnaD kciN Oct 2012 #78
obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #88
oldbanjo Oct 2012 #6
sinkingfeeling Oct 2012 #8
Indpndnt Oct 2012 #55
sinkingfeeling Oct 2012 #56
bigtree Oct 2012 #67
Chorophyll Oct 2012 #9
City Lights Oct 2012 #10
OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #63
malaise Oct 2012 #11
Jennicut Oct 2012 #12
Kahuna Oct 2012 #14
laundry_queen Oct 2012 #35
lalalu Oct 2012 #18
byoung6 Oct 2012 #15
Victor_c3 Oct 2012 #23
Indpndnt Oct 2012 #57
goclark Oct 2012 #24
Sheepshank Oct 2012 #26
CakeGrrl Oct 2012 #45
regnaD kciN Oct 2012 #81
Lifelong Protester Oct 2012 #16
stevenleser Oct 2012 #17
genna Oct 2012 #20
fun n serious Oct 2012 #21
treestar Oct 2012 #22
Bohunk68 Oct 2012 #25
BarackTheVote Oct 2012 #62
steve2470 Oct 2012 #71
Astazia Oct 2012 #99
Plucketeer Oct 2012 #28
annabanana Oct 2012 #29
RussBLib Oct 2012 #30
fugop Oct 2012 #31
Blanks Oct 2012 #97
HuckleB Oct 2012 #32
liberal N proud Oct 2012 #33
reeds2012 Oct 2012 #34
Mister K Oct 2012 #36
WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #37
speedoo Oct 2012 #44
OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #51
regnaD kciN Oct 2012 #79
bigtree Oct 2012 #66
regnaD kciN Oct 2012 #80
bigtree Oct 2012 #83
obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #89
NYC Liberal Oct 2012 #92
lobodons Oct 2012 #38
BumRushDaShow Oct 2012 #39
BlueStreak Oct 2012 #42
beac Oct 2012 #43
whathehell Oct 2012 #46
OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #49
Indpndnt Oct 2012 #58
MADem Oct 2012 #50
McCamy Taylor Oct 2012 #59
brooklynite Oct 2012 #60
OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #61
brooklynite Oct 2012 #65
OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #76
regnaD kciN Oct 2012 #84
BarackTheVote Oct 2012 #64
otohara Oct 2012 #68
frazzled Oct 2012 #69
regnaD kciN Oct 2012 #86
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porphyrian Oct 2012 #70
colsohlibgal Oct 2012 #75
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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 08:48 AM

1. I think there will be blow back from his lies.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 08:58 AM

4. it's going to be a withering focus

. . . since he's been declared 'winner' and a fresh(ened) contender.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:01 AM

40. Oh it's coming alright

this has got too simmer for few days and woosh! all that air is deflated.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:22 PM

53. Did you notice the way President Obama smiled at certain points in Mitt's tirades?....

...the same way a cat smiles at a mouse.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #53)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 03:02 PM

72. Yea ... it makes me wonder if the reason Obama did not pounce was because

he was collecting lies ... gathering them into a pile.

I mean, he could have easily creamed any number of the lies. I can think of 4 zingers for which Obama smiled during the lie, and then didn't "zing".

I hope that's what he was doing. Just letting the line out, with the intent of setting the hook and reeling Mitt in over the next few weeks.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #72)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 06:04 PM

91. They knew he couldn't be the angry black man. That was their cover for the lies.

This is where Rmoney shows how nasty he is. He's really good at sizing up a victim and exploiting the weaknesses and loopholes.

That's why he's so rich.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #53)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 03:34 PM

73. Obama is playing death by a thousand cuts...

Most of Mitt's wounds are self inflicted, however. But, now we see the Obama we love today. The one that comes out and shows you why his opponent is wrong with their own words.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 08:48 AM

2. Keep the ads coming

Love this using the pundits to paint Romney as the liar he is.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 04:09 PM

74. I'm longing to see a graphic of Rmoney with a long nose & pants on fire. ~nt

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Response to ProSense (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 05:02 PM

77. Meh. How many voters go to YouTube for political ads?

This is like shouting into a vacuum -- even if what you're saying is true, it will make little to no impression on voters.

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Response to regnaD kciN (Reply #77)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 06:27 PM

94. You're supposed to post them to facebook. Etc. eom

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 08:49 AM

3. Sometimes nothing is so sweet as a nice glass of lemonade.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 08:59 AM

5. the problem is only 1/50th of the people who saw debate will see ad

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:06 AM

7. uh, uh, no. That's not relevant to anything but the media horserace

here is the relevant wisdom from Nate Silver:

"There are few undecided voters remaining — and undecided voters may be less likely than others to have actually watched the debates."


and from Scott Clement:

More voters will watch Wednesday’s debate than perhaps any other campaign event until Election Day, but a Washington Post-ABC News poll released this week finds one critical group of voters may skip out on the prime time face-off: Persuadable voters.


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Response to bigtree (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:39 AM

19. I love you bigtree and you know that

but what is the sample for this "very interested" is it four people from down town or 4 million from ... ARITHMETIC MATTERS...especially in statistics my personal favorite...

THE BOTTOM LINE FOR LAST NIGHT IS THAT ... Romney opens his mouth and ANALYSIS OF HIS LANGUAGE AND SPEECH IS THAT IT IS FULL OF FORM BUT FREE OF CONTENT...WORD SALAD! THIS IS THE LANGUAGE OF A WEAK MINDED PSYCHOLOGICALLY UNSTABLE PERSON. FRIGHTENINGLY INSIDIOUSLY INTELLECTUALLY COGNITIVELY EMOTIONALLY INCOMPETENT. NOT PRESIDENTIAL MATERIAL.
(caps intentional)
... I LOVE bigtree. LMSP

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #19)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:01 PM

48. More facts about swing voters

Straight from the right wing extremist WSJ article today:

...independent and undecided voters tend to be more worried about the deficit than others are.... In the latest Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, all the key swing groups—independents, moderates and those not firmly committed—say they think the president would do a better job handling the deficit than would Mr. Romney.


Overall I think Obama seemed more aware of the fact that this debate is for swing voters. After the debate I tried to wipe my mind of all political knowledge (not hard to do), and Romney comes off as someone lacking any direction who just wants to win, while Obama seemed like a good man who really cares about this country.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:22 AM

13. More people watch Judge Judy, The Voice, and Parenthood

Than the debates. More people will see the ads than the debates.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:23 AM

27. God. I just realized that what you posted is absolutely true.

How awful for this country.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #27)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 05:30 PM

87. lol

(I watch all of those shows, too!)

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:09 AM

41. Thank you for making my morning a little brighter!

I hadn't thought of that. Thank you for thinking for me!!!!

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:43 AM

47. Yep. Ads affect elections way more than the debates do.

People watch the debates once.

They see the ads over and over every day for weeks.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:20 PM

52. Thanks for talking the Chicken Littles back from the ledge...

...you are absolutely correct on viewership.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:23 PM

54. Absolutely. And the commercials will be brutal.



Honestly, they just need to play the 47% video ad over and over again. Let Willard crush Willard.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 06:09 PM

93. It doesn't help to try and sugarcoat things with bad facts

Judge Judy (8 million), The Voice (12 million) and Parenthood (5 million) combined don't reach even half the number of people that watched last night's debate (58 million). Plus, the audience for those shows undoubtedly contains a much larger number of people who are below the voting age (or otherwise not likely to vote at all) than the audience for the debate. Plus, a lot of people record and time shift those shows so they can avoid commercials (while even those that recorded the debates won't be missing the debate performance and/or post-mortems).

And while over time, and over a lot more shows, ads will be seen by a lot of people, there is a significant amount of "ad fatigue" setting in with respect to the presidential race -- most people I know simply refuse to pay attention to the ads anymore.

Finally, there is the media message, which at least initially was that Obama "lost" and Romney "won". Unfortunately, the focus as is all too often the case was on style not substance. If -- and I hope it happens -- the media narrative shifts back to the substance of what was said in the debate, then things will be better, and to the extent the ads help change the narrative, that's great.

But it would be wrong to downplay the significance of the debates and of the immediate, narrowly focused media response to them. We have work to do and that work involves not merely relying on ads to let folks know about the substance of what Romney claimed and how it measures up against the facts, but on doing it ourselves through social media and other means.

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Response to onenote (Reply #93)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 07:14 PM

95. I'm not sugarcoating anything

Nor trying to make myself feel better. Thanks for putting motives and intent I didn't have into my post, though. A bit patronizing, huh?

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #95)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:58 PM

98. Then what were you doing?

Other stating bad facts about the size of the audience of a few tv shows?

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 05:08 PM

78. 1/50th? Don't flatter yourself...

...it's more like 1/500th, if not 1/5000th. In the past, debates have drawn around 52 million viewers. Do you really think that more than 10,000 people, at the most, will go to YouTube to check out that ad?

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Response to regnaD kciN (Reply #78)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 05:32 PM

88. How about Survivor, Big Bang Theory, and Amazng Race?

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:05 AM

6. Perfect

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:08 AM

8. Do Truth Team ads run on TV? We get no political ads here.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:25 PM

55. We're getting lots of Obama ads in Texas. Especially about the 47% video.

And Bill Clinton's commercial.

So, yes, many will see the blowback commercials.

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Response to Indpndnt (Reply #55)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:30 PM

56. Thanks. I've asked that question before and never got an answer.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:06 PM

67. 47% is on so much that we have it memorized

. . . here in suburban Md.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:08 AM

9. Excellent.

Keep hammering away at the lies.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:09 AM

10. I like both the ads I've seen this morning.

Keep 'em comin'! Hit Willard hard!

On edit: I think I'm going to start referring to him as "Myth Romney."

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Response to City Lights (Reply #10)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:53 PM

63. "Myth Romney"! I like it! nt.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:16 AM

11. Rmoney is an effing pathological LIAR

How anyone declares victory for someone who lied and lied and lied is mindblowing.

Calmer heads will prevail as the day goes on. Even Gergen on CNN Is calling him out on the lies

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Response to malaise (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:20 AM

12. I know. Gergen actually surprised me last night.

This is a very effective ad and President Obama just let Romney do it to himself.

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Response to Jennicut (Reply #12)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:29 AM

14. Exactly!!! Rope-a-DOPE! Emphasis on DOPE! Why argue with the guy

when you already know he will deny..deny..deny..As he has done all along?

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Response to Jennicut (Reply #12)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:45 AM

35. Well shit I missed that, lol.

I was tired of the gushing about Romney on MSNBC so I turned to CNN and Gergen was in the middle of professing how masterful Romney was. I probably only heard a portion of the sentence before I switched again (to a Canadian channel). Good to know he said something about the lies.

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Response to malaise (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:37 AM

18. Agree

 

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:32 AM

15. I am just amazed!

The Obama team got this put together this quick??? Thank goodness they are on it like this. I was afraid they would let these total fictions ride for a day out there in the newsosphere. I guess that was my biggest frustration last nite, lie after lie and Obama didn't get outraged like me. But then he is the president and I am only the little disabled citizen sitting out here freaking out. lol

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Response to byoung6 (Reply #15)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:07 AM

23. you and me too

Disabled veteran here. I wouldn't worry about this debate. Most minds are made up already on who they are going to vote for and I don't think anything either side says will saw the core out there. Obama's advertisements in the swing states have been devastating to Romney - and that is what matters. This debate doesn't change any of the fundamentals or core issues out there.

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Response to Victor_c3 (Reply #23)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:31 PM

57. Well said!

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Response to byoung6 (Reply #15)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:08 AM

24. Welcome to DU!


I was shocked that Obama didn't go nuts on him --- but this
morning I see it like Ali--- in Round 1 you are testing him out.

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Response to byoung6 (Reply #15)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:20 AM

26. It's like they already knew what the lies were going to crop up.

It's like all Obama had to do was give the dope enough rope.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #26)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:27 AM

45. Yes. Romney lies like a rug on the campaign trail.

The Obama campaign is clearly aware of it and no doubt expected more of the same.

Their rapid response ads this campaign season have telegraphed it.

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Response to byoung6 (Reply #15)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 05:18 PM

81. The problem is...

I was afraid they would let these total fictions ride for a day out there in the newsosphere.

...I see absolutely no evidence the "newsosphere" is listening.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:34 AM

16. It's a really good ad, I hope it gets a lot of play

fast paced, catchy music, love the use of pundits and news folk as the 'deliverers of the news' here.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:35 AM

17. Exactly right. We didn't see a debate between two candidates last night. We saw a debate between

a President Obama offering serious concrete policies and Romney's etch-a-sketch.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:40 AM

20. Horserace ad is good for countering washington pundit common wisdom group think

I hope they segment what was covered by topic, tease out Romney's multiple positions and then have some piffy line about Americans like they did the 47% ads.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:56 AM

21. Political junkies like us know the truth

The avarage American will believe lies.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:58 AM

22. Looks like there were a few pundits calling out Rmoney already

Those pundits got no attention here however!

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:16 AM

25. Let's face it,

Rmoney changes positions more times than Snow White in bed with the Seven Dwarfs. Just think if the old saw about Pants on Fire were true.

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Response to Bohunk68 (Reply #25)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:52 PM

62. +1

And also

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Response to Bohunk68 (Reply #25)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 02:53 PM

71. "Rmoney changes positions more times than Snow White in bed with the Seven Dwarfs."

DUZY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


OMG lmao

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #71)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 08:44 AM

99. Martin Bashir compared Mitt the twit to.Ron Jeremy

As far as having more positions than porn star. One funny side note is both Mitt the twit & RJ share the same birthdate, March 12th. Mittwit is a bigger dick, on the other hand, RJ has one.
Cracked me up.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:24 AM

28. Two debates left

I hope Obama's "strategy" was/is to let Mitt hang himself like a punching bag for Barack to then pound on.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:28 AM

29. Very good!. . . .n.t

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:29 AM

30. another good ad would be ....

Simply have cuts from Romney at the Denver debate next to quotes from the campaign trail. Mitt's flip-flopping and lying is legendary, and ask, "Which Mitt Romney are you going to believe?"

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:36 AM

31. They need to get these on tv

And my big hope is that when SNL covers the debate, Romney is portrayed as the lying bully he was. Obama will take hits in the skit as well, with his low-energy and note-taking, but frankly, we already know the president isn't an over-the-top guy.

I just hope SNL is able to skewer Romney the way they skewered Sarah Palin (rightly) and Al Gore (which sucked, but really worked).

SNL often, weirdly enough, cements perceptions of a candidate. Let's hope that they don't let Romney off the hook the way they did Bush. With Bush, the caricature was of a really likeable guy who was kind of dumb. But they killed Gore with the lockbox and the sighs. I'm crossing my fingers that Romney takes a beating from them.

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Response to fugop (Reply #31)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 08:19 PM

97. That's probably where the biggest influence lies.

I remember on one of the analysis shows after the debates Cokie Roberts said: "we'll have to see what SNL does this weekend."

She was serious. They have a lot of influence.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:37 AM

32. It was clear that Obama was letting him hang himself.

They knew he would.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:38 AM

33. How to win a debate with lies!

I don't see how they can make the assertion that Romney won the debate when his rhetoric was pure bull shit!

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:39 AM

34. GREAT AD!

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:47 AM

36. If you cant dazzle them with brilliance then baffle them with bullshit

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:53 AM

37. Huzzah.

Don't call him on the lies in front of 60 million people.

The internet commercial no one will see will take care of it.

Brilliant fucking strategy.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #37)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:24 AM

44. Do you really think this is all there is to the counterattack?

You can't be that silly.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #37)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:18 PM

51. Geez, Pitt, I thought you were smarter than that...

...do you really think that ad is not going to appear on TV and in multiple markets.

Get a grip.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #51)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 05:12 PM

79. That particular ad certainly won't...

...since it ends with a bunch of clickable links.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #37)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:04 PM

66. I think you're giving too much value to Pres. Obama being the one to call Romney a liar

It's possible you could be dead wrong on the wisdom of having the President be the one that the Romney camp is forced to respond to for their lies.

I think it's quite effective to have the media (especially media which is normally favorable to republican interests) call Romney a liar. This way, it's not about some 'attack' from our Democratic nominee; it's a referendum from the very press which carries those impressions and interpretations to the general public. I think you're being rather short-sighted on the actual effect of giving Romney the rope and making his lies more of a matter between him and the American people, than just a tit-for-tat between candidates (which is often equalized by the nedia and routinely dismissed as campaign rhetoric).

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Response to bigtree (Reply #66)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 05:15 PM

80. But which media is doing this?

I think it's quite effective to have the media (especially media which is normally favorable to republican interests) call Romney a liar.


So far, all I've seen is Gergen. Everyone else is only gushing over Romney's "masterful performance."

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Response to regnaD kciN (Reply #80)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 05:21 PM

83. this media, for instance

Last edited Fri Oct 5, 2012, 08:17 AM - Edit history (1)

here:

Obama Attacks Swiftly on Twitter, Jabs Romney on Swing Sites
http://www.clickz.com/clickz/news/2214850/obama-attacks-swiftly-on-twitter-jabs-romney-on-swing-sites


and here:

American people are getting and processing campaign info MUCH differently than last time
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021470161

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Response to bigtree (Reply #83)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 05:33 PM

89. Twitter is, in my opinion, a very effective medium to use

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #37)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 06:07 PM

92. MANY more people will see Obama's ads in the next 5 weeks than will watch the debates.

Romney hanged himself last night by giving enough ad fodder to last until election day. People in swing states will see those ads over and over, day after day for 5 weeks.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:57 AM

38. You don't think

You don't think the Obama camp already had this Ad ready to go sans a clip from the actual debate to put in at the end and ready to go by 10:30 pm last night do you. (I do)

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:00 AM

39. And this is just the beginning.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:17 AM

42. They need to go after the preexisting conditions

Dems talking about the ACA seem to keep turning to just one item over and over: letting you stay on your parent's policy through age 25.

That is just no big deal. Insurance companies are generally happy to take your money for that because 24-year-olds are usually healthy.

The big issues are pre-existing conditions and lifetime caps. This can affect anybody who is not on a company plan, and if you get really sick, you may have to drop off your company plan.

Romney says he's going to repeal the ACA and he says his plan takes care of pre0existing conditions. That is a flat out lie. He doesn't do anything about pre-existing conditions, and if he is turning this over to the states, there is absolutely nothing Romney COULD do about pre-existing conditions. What is he going to do? just declare that an insurance company in Kansas has to cover pre-existing conditions? If he did that, insurance companies would stop writing in Kansas.

The only way to make that work is to have a national requirement, and that is exactly what the ACA is. But that only worked because insurance companies were willing to take that additional burden together with the requirement that nearly everybody had to carry insurance. Without the mandate for full insurance, it is just not fair for the government to tell insurance companies, you have to cover anybody that shows up at your door, even if they are severely sick with an disease you know will cost you a half million bucks to cover.

Romney is lying about this. He doesn't have a plan. His plan is to take us back to the days when insurance companies could use pre-existing conditions and lifetime caps to cancel insurance when you get sick.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:20 AM

43. Great ad! Hope they've got a 30-second version running too! n/t

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:40 AM

46. Good one!! n/t

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:16 PM

49. I tried to tell all of the "sky is falling" posters that the fact-checkers...

....would hit Romney hard and the Obama Campaign would launch a number of very effective ads based on Mitt's lies.

Patience is a virtue...knee-jerk reactions are just not very attractive.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #49)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:36 PM

58. True. I keep remembering what happened to Lyin' Ryan after his debut at the RNC.

He was ripped apart by fact-checkers and his honesty is a public joke. The post-debate response plays a more important role than the debate, itself.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:17 PM

50. Rope a dope. nt

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:41 PM

59. great ad

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:46 PM

60. Not an ad if nobody sees it...

...these web ads are a lot of fun to watch, but the reality is that the campaign produces them only to drive discuss on TV shows, radio and the internet---where the low information voters are NOT getting their information.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #60)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:52 PM

61. So, you don't think this ad is already starting to show up in countless Twitter threads....

....and all over Facebook?

You don't think this will become a TV ad very shortly?

You don't think the Obama Campaign and associated PACs don't have a number of ads like this already lined up and ready to go in a variety of ad mediums and markets?

Seriously??

Please.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #61)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:02 PM

65. No, I don't...

...Twitter feeds? The people who read Twitter feeds, or watch this on MSNBC or CNN decided who to vote for months ago. This is a 90-second ad that will only be seen on websites, or discussed on Rachel Maddow. If they're going to use this in a 30-second ad, they would have crafted a 30-second ad.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #65)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 04:59 PM

76. LOL. We'll see won't we? nt.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #61)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 05:23 PM

84. It better become a TV ad...

...because nobody who doesn't already support the candidate will go to YouTube to view his ads.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:57 PM

64. And the first knot in the noose...

Lying in a debate is like taking steroids in sports. You have an unfair advantage for a while, but eventually, your malfeasance will be dragged into the light of day, and all your accolades turn to scorn.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:36 PM

68. Lying for the Lord on Steroids

I remember when I sued Clear Channel and everyone lied during depositions.

I was blown away, my attorney's said they had never worked on a case where everyone lied.

When they're sitting in front of you lying, and rules say, you can't respond, it's very frustrating.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:55 PM

69. Here's the real TV ad, just out: "How Can We Trust Him"?



This is exactly the title I suggested they should use in an ad when I talked to my sister this morning!!
Is my phone tapped?

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Response to frazzled (Reply #69)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 05:27 PM

86. That's NOT a TV ad!!!

Once again, a clue: if an ad ends with a bunch of clickable links, it's a YouTube ad, not a television spot. In other words, invisible to most voters.

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Response to regnaD kciN (Reply #86)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 05:46 PM

90. Yes, it's a TV ad!!!

Sheesh, what's with the exclamation marks?

Can you see the "Obama for America TV Ad" up in the corner? And how it begins with "I'm Barack Obama and I approve this message."

Neither of those markers is on the "Truth Squad" internet ad on the top. Plus, I got it from TPM, where it was billed as a TV ad.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:59 PM

70. . n/t

 

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 04:16 PM

75. Still Though

Obama was way too placid, for a smart guy who can be engaging on the stump it mystifies me why he is such a mediocre (at best) debater.

Too bad we couldn't have let the Big Dog pinch hit, he would have wiped the floor with Mitt Bot.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 05:20 PM

82. Um, won't independents just think this more liberal media bias? nt

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Response to jade3000 (Reply #82)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 05:25 PM

85. I don't think independents will be swayed by who they thought was more glib

. . . the two leading referendums on the debate today are over Obama's debate style and Romney's lies. I know which one will prevail with voters who have real concerns about the direction of the nation.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 07:34 PM

96. That was a good ad.

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