Thu Oct 4, 2012, 08:44 AM

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New Obama Ad! -- Mitt Romney's Debate Performance: "Mostly Fiction"

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New Obama Ad! -- Mitt Romney's Debate Performance: "Mostly Fiction" (Original post)	bigtree	Oct 2012	OP
I think there will be blow back from his lies.	JoePhilly	Oct 2012	#1
it's going to be a withering focus	bigtree	Oct 2012	#4
Oh it's coming alright	Hutzpa	Oct 2012	#40
Did you notice the way President Obama smiled at certain points in Mitt's tirades?....	OldDem2012	Oct 2012	#53
Yea ... it makes me wonder if the reason Obama did not pounce was because	JoePhilly	Oct 2012	#72
They knew he couldn't be the angry black man. That was their cover for the lies.	lindysalsagal	Oct 2012	#91
Obama is playing death by a thousand cuts...	Kalidurga	Oct 2012	#73
Keep the ads coming	ProSense	Oct 2012	#2
I'm longing to see a graphic of Rmoney with a long nose & pants on fire. ~nt	99th_Monkey	Oct 2012	#74
Meh. How many voters go to YouTube for political ads?	regnaD kciN	Oct 2012	#77
You're supposed to post them to facebook. Etc. eom	Blanks	Oct 2012	#94
Sometimes nothing is so sweet as a nice glass of lemonade.	grantcart	Oct 2012	#3
the problem is only 1/50th of the people who saw debate will see ad	scheming daemons	Oct 2012	#5
uh, uh, no. That's not relevant to anything but the media horserace	bigtree	Oct 2012	#7
I love you bigtree and you know that	littlemissmartypants	Oct 2012	#19
More facts about swing voters	DaveJ	Oct 2012	#48
More people watch Judge Judy, The Voice, and Parenthood	obamanut2012	Oct 2012	#13
God. I just realized that what you posted is absolutely true.	Ikonoklast	Oct 2012	#27
lol	obamanut2012	Oct 2012	#87
Thank you for making my morning a little brighter!	hamsterjill	Oct 2012	#41
Yep. Ads affect elections way more than the debates do.	NYC Liberal	Oct 2012	#47
Thanks for talking the Chicken Littles back from the ledge...	OldDem2012	Oct 2012	#52
Absolutely. And the commercials will be brutal.	Indpndnt	Oct 2012	#54
It doesn't help to try and sugarcoat things with bad facts	onenote	Oct 2012	#93
I'm not sugarcoating anything	obamanut2012	Oct 2012	#95
Then what were you doing?	onenote	Oct 2012	#98
1/50th? Don't flatter yourself...	regnaD kciN	Oct 2012	#78
How about Survivor, Big Bang Theory, and Amazng Race?	obamanut2012	Oct 2012	#88
Perfect	oldbanjo	Oct 2012	#6
Do Truth Team ads run on TV? We get no political ads here.	sinkingfeeling	Oct 2012	#8
We're getting lots of Obama ads in Texas. Especially about the 47% video.	Indpndnt	Oct 2012	#55
Thanks. I've asked that question before and never got an answer.	sinkingfeeling	Oct 2012	#56
47% is on so much that we have it memorized	bigtree	Oct 2012	#67
Excellent.	Chorophyll	Oct 2012	#9
I like both the ads I've seen this morning.	City Lights	Oct 2012	#10
"Myth Romney"! I like it! nt.	OldDem2012	Oct 2012	#63
Rmoney is an effing pathological LIAR	malaise	Oct 2012	#11
I know. Gergen actually surprised me last night.	Jennicut	Oct 2012	#12
Exactly!!! Rope-a-DOPE! Emphasis on DOPE! Why argue with the guy	Kahuna	Oct 2012	#14
Well shit I missed that, lol.	laundry_queen	Oct 2012	#35
Agree	lalalu	Oct 2012	#18
I am just amazed!	byoung6	Oct 2012	#15
you and me too	Victor_c3	Oct 2012	#23
Well said!	Indpndnt	Oct 2012	#57
Welcome to DU!	goclark	Oct 2012	#24
It's like they already knew what the lies were going to crop up.	Sheepshank	Oct 2012	#26
Yes. Romney lies like a rug on the campaign trail.	CakeGrrl	Oct 2012	#45
The problem is...	regnaD kciN	Oct 2012	#81
It's a really good ad, I hope it gets a lot of play	Lifelong Protester	Oct 2012	#16
Exactly right. We didn't see a debate between two candidates last night. We saw a debate between	stevenleser	Oct 2012	#17
Horserace ad is good for countering washington pundit common wisdom group think	genna	Oct 2012	#20
Political junkies like us know the truth	fun n serious	Oct 2012	#21
Looks like there were a few pundits calling out Rmoney already	treestar	Oct 2012	#22
Let's face it,	Bohunk68	Oct 2012	#25
+1	BarackTheVote	Oct 2012	#62
"Rmoney changes positions more times than Snow White in bed with the Seven Dwarfs."	steve2470	Oct 2012	#71
Martin Bashir compared Mitt the twit to.Ron Jeremy	Astazia	Oct 2012	#99
Two debates left	Plucketeer	Oct 2012	#28
Very good!. . . .n.t	annabanana	Oct 2012	#29
another good ad would be ....	RussBLib	Oct 2012	#30
They need to get these on tv	fugop	Oct 2012	#31
That's probably where the biggest influence lies.	Blanks	Oct 2012	#97
It was clear that Obama was letting him hang himself.	HuckleB	Oct 2012	#32
How to win a debate with lies!	liberal N proud	Oct 2012	#33
GREAT AD!	reeds2012	Oct 2012	#34
If you cant dazzle them with brilliance then baffle them with bullshit	Mister K	Oct 2012	#36
Huzzah.	WilliamPitt	Oct 2012	#37
Do you really think this is all there is to the counterattack?	speedoo	Oct 2012	#44
Geez, Pitt, I thought you were smarter than that...	OldDem2012	Oct 2012	#51
That particular ad certainly won't...	regnaD kciN	Oct 2012	#79
I think you're giving too much value to Pres. Obama being the one to call Romney a liar	bigtree	Oct 2012	#66
But which media is doing this?	regnaD kciN	Oct 2012	#80
this media, for instance	bigtree	Oct 2012	#83
Twitter is, in my opinion, a very effective medium to use	obamanut2012	Oct 2012	#89
MANY more people will see Obama's ads in the next 5 weeks than will watch the debates.	NYC Liberal	Oct 2012	#92
You don't think	lobodons	Oct 2012	#38
And this is just the beginning.	BumRushDaShow	Oct 2012	#39
They need to go after the preexisting conditions	BlueStreak	Oct 2012	#42
Great ad! Hope they've got a 30-second version running too! n/t	beac	Oct 2012	#43
Good one!! n/t	whathehell	Oct 2012	#46
I tried to tell all of the "sky is falling" posters that the fact-checkers...	OldDem2012	Oct 2012	#49
True. I keep remembering what happened to Lyin' Ryan after his debut at the RNC.	Indpndnt	Oct 2012	#58
Rope a dope. nt	MADem	Oct 2012	#50
great ad	McCamy Taylor	Oct 2012	#59
Not an ad if nobody sees it...	brooklynite	Oct 2012	#60
So, you don't think this ad is already starting to show up in countless Twitter threads....	OldDem2012	Oct 2012	#61
No, I don't...	brooklynite	Oct 2012	#65
LOL. We'll see won't we? nt.	OldDem2012	Oct 2012	#76
It better become a TV ad...	regnaD kciN	Oct 2012	#84
And the first knot in the noose...	BarackTheVote	Oct 2012	#64
Lying for the Lord on Steroids	otohara	Oct 2012	#68
Here's the real TV ad, just out: "How Can We Trust Him"?	frazzled	Oct 2012	#69
That's NOT a TV ad!!!	regnaD kciN	Oct 2012	#86
Yes, it's a TV ad!!!	frazzled	Oct 2012	#90
. n/t	porphyrian	Oct 2012	#70
Still Though	colsohlibgal	Oct 2012	#75
Um, won't independents just think this more liberal media bias? nt	jade3000	Oct 2012	#82
I don't think independents will be swayed by who they thought was more glib	bigtree	Oct 2012	#85
That was a good ad.	Matariki	Oct 2012	#96

Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 08:48 AM

JoePhilly (15,991 posts)

1. I think there will be blow back from his lies.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 08:58 AM

bigtree (49,250 posts)

4. it's going to be a withering focus

. . . since he's been declared 'winner' and a fresh(ened) contender.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:01 AM

Hutzpa (10,475 posts)

40. Oh it's coming alright

this has got too simmer for few days and woosh! all that air is deflated.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:22 PM

OldDem2012 (3,526 posts)

53. Did you notice the way President Obama smiled at certain points in Mitt's tirades?....

...the same way a cat smiles at a mouse.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #53)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 03:02 PM

JoePhilly (15,991 posts)

72. Yea ... it makes me wonder if the reason Obama did not pounce was because

he was collecting lies ... gathering them into a pile.

I mean, he could have easily creamed any number of the lies. I can think of 4 zingers for which Obama smiled during the lie, and then didn't "zing".

I hope that's what he was doing. Just letting the line out, with the intent of setting the hook and reeling Mitt in over the next few weeks.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #72)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 06:04 PM

lindysalsagal (1,798 posts)

91. They knew he couldn't be the angry black man. That was their cover for the lies.

This is where Rmoney shows how nasty he is. He's really good at sizing up a victim and exploiting the weaknesses and loopholes.

That's why he's so rich.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #53)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 03:34 PM

Kalidurga (4,822 posts)

73. Obama is playing death by a thousand cuts...

Most of Mitt's wounds are self inflicted, however. But, now we see the Obama we love today. The one that comes out and shows you why his opponent is wrong with their own words.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 08:48 AM

ProSense (98,178 posts)

2. Keep the ads coming

Love this using the pundits to paint Romney as the liar he is.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 04:09 PM

99th_Monkey (7,205 posts)

74. I'm longing to see a graphic of Rmoney with a long nose & pants on fire. ~nt

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Response to ProSense (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 05:02 PM

regnaD kciN (17,427 posts)

77. Meh. How many voters go to YouTube for political ads?

This is like shouting into a vacuum -- even if what you're saying is true, it will make little to no impression on voters.

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Response to regnaD kciN (Reply #77)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 06:27 PM

Blanks (1,351 posts)

94. You're supposed to post them to facebook. Etc. eom

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 08:49 AM

grantcart (38,741 posts)

3. Sometimes nothing is so sweet as a nice glass of lemonade.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 08:59 AM

scheming daemons (21,273 posts)

5. the problem is only 1/50th of the people who saw debate will see ad

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:06 AM

bigtree (49,250 posts)

7. uh, uh, no. That's not relevant to anything but the media horserace

here is the relevant wisdom from Nate Silver:

"There are few undecided voters remaining — and undecided voters may be less likely than others to have actually watched the debates."

and from Scott Clement:

More voters will watch Wednesday’s debate than perhaps any other campaign event until Election Day, but a Washington Post-ABC News poll released this week finds one critical group of voters may skip out on the prime time face-off: Persuadable voters.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:39 AM

littlemissmartypants (2,999 posts)

19. I love you bigtree and you know that

but what is the sample for this "very interested" is it four people from down town or 4 million from ... ARITHMETIC MATTERS...especially in statistics my personal favorite...

THE BOTTOM LINE FOR LAST NIGHT IS THAT ... Romney opens his mouth and ANALYSIS OF HIS LANGUAGE AND SPEECH IS THAT IT IS FULL OF FORM BUT FREE OF CONTENT...WORD SALAD! THIS IS THE LANGUAGE OF A WEAK MINDED PSYCHOLOGICALLY UNSTABLE PERSON. FRIGHTENINGLY INSIDIOUSLY INTELLECTUALLY COGNITIVELY EMOTIONALLY INCOMPETENT. NOT PRESIDENTIAL MATERIAL.

(caps intentional)

... I LOVE bigtree. LMSP

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #19)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:01 PM

DaveJ (4,930 posts)

48. More facts about swing voters

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Straight from the right wing extremist WSJ article today:

...independent and undecided voters tend to be more worried about the deficit than others are.... In the latest Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, all the key swing groups—independents, moderates and those not firmly committed—say they think the president would do a better job handling the deficit than would Mr. Romney.

Overall I think Obama seemed more aware of the fact that this debate is for swing voters. After the debate I tried to wipe my mind of all political knowledge (not hard to do), and Romney comes off as someone lacking any direction who just wants to win, while Obama seemed like a good man who really cares about this country.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:22 AM

obamanut2012 (9,971 posts)

13. More people watch Judge Judy, The Voice, and Parenthood

Than the debates. More people will see the ads than the debates.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:23 AM

Ikonoklast (21,631 posts)

27. God. I just realized that what you posted is absolutely true.

How awful for this country.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #27)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 05:30 PM

obamanut2012 (9,971 posts)

87. lol

(I watch all of those shows, too!)

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:09 AM

hamsterjill (4,301 posts)

41. Thank you for making my morning a little brighter!

I hadn't thought of that. Thank you for thinking for me!!!!

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:43 AM

NYC Liberal (15,599 posts)

47. Yep. Ads affect elections way more than the debates do.

People watch the debates once.

They see the ads over and over every day for weeks.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:20 PM

OldDem2012 (3,526 posts)

52. Thanks for talking the Chicken Littles back from the ledge...

...you are absolutely correct on viewership.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:23 PM

Indpndnt (2,306 posts)

54. Absolutely. And the commercials will be brutal.

Honestly, they just need to play the 47% video ad over and over again. Let Willard crush Willard.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 06:09 PM

onenote (22,010 posts)

93. It doesn't help to try and sugarcoat things with bad facts

Judge Judy (8 million), The Voice (12 million) and Parenthood (5 million) combined don't reach even half the number of people that watched last night's debate (58 million). Plus, the audience for those shows undoubtedly contains a much larger number of people who are below the voting age (or otherwise not likely to vote at all) than the audience for the debate. Plus, a lot of people record and time shift those shows so they can avoid commercials (while even those that recorded the debates won't be missing the debate performance and/or post-mortems).

And while over time, and over a lot more shows, ads will be seen by a lot of people, there is a significant amount of "ad fatigue" setting in with respect to the presidential race -- most people I know simply refuse to pay attention to the ads anymore.

Finally, there is the media message, which at least initially was that Obama "lost" and Romney "won". Unfortunately, the focus as is all too often the case was on style not substance. If -- and I hope it happens -- the media narrative shifts back to the substance of what was said in the debate, then things will be better, and to the extent the ads help change the narrative, that's great.

But it would be wrong to downplay the significance of the debates and of the immediate, narrowly focused media response to them. We have work to do and that work involves not merely relying on ads to let folks know about the substance of what Romney claimed and how it measures up against the facts, but on doing it ourselves through social media and other means.

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Response to onenote (Reply #93)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 07:14 PM

obamanut2012 (9,971 posts)

95. I'm not sugarcoating anything

Nor trying to make myself feel better. Thanks for putting motives and intent I didn't have into my post, though. A bit patronizing, huh?

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #95)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:58 PM

onenote (22,010 posts)

98. Then what were you doing?

Other stating bad facts about the size of the audience of a few tv shows?

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 05:08 PM

regnaD kciN (17,427 posts)

78. 1/50th? Don't flatter yourself...

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...it's more like 1/500th, if not 1/5000th. In the past, debates have drawn around 52 million viewers. Do you really think that more than 10,000 people, at the most, will go to YouTube to check out that ad?

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Response to regnaD kciN (Reply #78)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 05:32 PM

obamanut2012 (9,971 posts)

88. How about Survivor, Big Bang Theory, and Amazng Race?

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:05 AM

oldbanjo (676 posts)

6. Perfect

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:08 AM

sinkingfeeling (27,820 posts)

8. Do Truth Team ads run on TV? We get no political ads here.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:25 PM

Indpndnt (2,306 posts)

55. We're getting lots of Obama ads in Texas. Especially about the 47% video.

And Bill Clinton's commercial.

So, yes, many will see the blowback commercials.

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Response to Indpndnt (Reply #55)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:30 PM

sinkingfeeling (27,820 posts)

56. Thanks. I've asked that question before and never got an answer.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:06 PM

bigtree (49,250 posts)

67. 47% is on so much that we have it memorized

. . . here in suburban Md.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:08 AM

Chorophyll (5,042 posts)

9. Excellent.

Keep hammering away at the lies.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:09 AM

City Lights (21,577 posts)

10. I like both the ads I've seen this morning.

Last edited Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:20 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

Keep 'em comin'! Hit Willard hard!

On edit: I think I'm going to start referring to him as "Myth Romney."

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Response to City Lights (Reply #10)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:53 PM

OldDem2012 (3,526 posts)

63. "Myth Romney"! I like it! nt.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:16 AM

malaise (106,021 posts)

11. Rmoney is an effing pathological LIAR

How anyone declares victory for someone who lied and lied and lied is mindblowing.

Calmer heads will prevail as the day goes on. Even Gergen on CNN Is calling him out on the lies

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Response to malaise (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:20 AM

Jennicut (25,343 posts)

12. I know. Gergen actually surprised me last night.

This is a very effective ad and President Obama just let Romney do it to himself.

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Response to Jennicut (Reply #12)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:29 AM

Kahuna (26,403 posts)

14. Exactly!!! Rope-a-DOPE! Emphasis on DOPE! Why argue with the guy

when you already know he will deny..deny..deny..As he has done all along?

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Response to Jennicut (Reply #12)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:45 AM

laundry_queen (4,180 posts)

35. Well shit I missed that, lol.

I was tired of the gushing about Romney on MSNBC so I turned to CNN and Gergen was in the middle of professing how masterful Romney was. I probably only heard a portion of the sentence before I switched again (to a Canadian channel). Good to know he said something about the lies.

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Response to malaise (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:37 AM

lalalu (1,663 posts)

18. Agree

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:32 AM

byoung6 (40 posts)

15. I am just amazed!

The Obama team got this put together this quick??? Thank goodness they are on it like this. I was afraid they would let these total fictions ride for a day out there in the newsosphere. I guess that was my biggest frustration last nite, lie after lie and Obama didn't get outraged like me. But then he is the president and I am only the little disabled citizen sitting out here freaking out. lol

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Response to byoung6 (Reply #15)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:07 AM

Victor_c3 (793 posts)

23. you and me too

Disabled veteran here. I wouldn't worry about this debate. Most minds are made up already on who they are going to vote for and I don't think anything either side says will saw the core out there. Obama's advertisements in the swing states have been devastating to Romney - and that is what matters. This debate doesn't change any of the fundamentals or core issues out there.

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Response to Victor_c3 (Reply #23)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:31 PM

Indpndnt (2,306 posts)

57. Well said!

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Response to byoung6 (Reply #15)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:08 AM

goclark (30,404 posts)

24. Welcome to DU!

I was shocked that Obama didn't go nuts on him --- but this
morning I see it like Ali--- in Round 1 you are testing him out.

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Response to byoung6 (Reply #15)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:20 AM

Sheepshank (5,026 posts)

26. It's like they already knew what the lies were going to crop up.

It's like all Obama had to do was give the dope enough rope.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #26)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:27 AM

CakeGrrl (9,033 posts)

45. Yes. Romney lies like a rug on the campaign trail.

The Obama campaign is clearly aware of it and no doubt expected more of the same.

Their rapid response ads this campaign season have telegraphed it.

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Response to byoung6 (Reply #15)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 05:18 PM

regnaD kciN (17,427 posts)

81. The problem is...

I was afraid they would let these total fictions ride for a day out there in the newsosphere.

...I see absolutely no evidence the "newsosphere" is listening.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:34 AM

Lifelong Protester (4,781 posts)

16. It's a really good ad, I hope it gets a lot of play

fast paced, catchy music, love the use of pundits and news folk as the 'deliverers of the news' here.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:35 AM

stevenleser (13,277 posts)

17. Exactly right. We didn't see a debate between two candidates last night. We saw a debate between

a President Obama offering serious concrete policies and Romney's etch-a-sketch.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:40 AM

genna (1,908 posts)

20. Horserace ad is good for countering washington pundit common wisdom group think

I hope they segment what was covered by topic, tease out Romney's multiple positions and then have some piffy line about Americans like they did the 47% ads.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:56 AM

fun n serious (314 posts)

21. Political junkies like us know the truth

The avarage American will believe lies.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:58 AM

treestar (40,478 posts)

22. Looks like there were a few pundits calling out Rmoney already

Those pundits got no attention here however!

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:16 AM

Bohunk68 (512 posts)

25. Let's face it,

Rmoney changes positions more times than Snow White in bed with the Seven Dwarfs. Just think if the old saw about Pants on Fire were true.

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Response to Bohunk68 (Reply #25)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:52 PM

BarackTheVote (560 posts)

62. +1

And also

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Response to Bohunk68 (Reply #25)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 02:53 PM

steve2470 (14,742 posts)

71. "Rmoney changes positions more times than Snow White in bed with the Seven Dwarfs."

DUZY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG lmao

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #71)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 08:44 AM

Astazia (261 posts)

99. Martin Bashir compared Mitt the twit to.Ron Jeremy

As far as having more positions than porn star. One funny side note is both Mitt the twit & RJ share the same birthdate, March 12th. Mittwit is a bigger dick, on the other hand, RJ has one.
Cracked me up.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:24 AM

Plucketeer (6,277 posts)

28. Two debates left

I hope Obama's "strategy" was/is to let Mitt hang himself like a punching bag for Barack to then pound on.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:28 AM

annabanana (45,567 posts)

29. Very good!. . . .n.t

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:29 AM

RussBLib (415 posts)

30. another good ad would be ....

Simply have cuts from Romney at the Denver debate next to quotes from the campaign trail. Mitt's flip-flopping and lying is legendary, and ask, "Which Mitt Romney are you going to believe?"

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:36 AM

fugop (1,826 posts)

31. They need to get these on tv

And my big hope is that when SNL covers the debate, Romney is portrayed as the lying bully he was. Obama will take hits in the skit as well, with his low-energy and note-taking, but frankly, we already know the president isn't an over-the-top guy.

I just hope SNL is able to skewer Romney the way they skewered Sarah Palin (rightly) and Al Gore (which sucked, but really worked).

SNL often, weirdly enough, cements perceptions of a candidate. Let's hope that they don't let Romney off the hook the way they did Bush. With Bush, the caricature was of a really likeable guy who was kind of dumb. But they killed Gore with the lockbox and the sighs. I'm crossing my fingers that Romney takes a beating from them.

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Response to fugop (Reply #31)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 08:19 PM

Blanks (1,351 posts)

97. That's probably where the biggest influence lies.

I remember on one of the analysis shows after the debates Cokie Roberts said: "we'll have to see what SNL does this weekend."

She was serious. They have a lot of influence.

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:37 AM

HuckleB (25,277 posts)

32. It was clear that Obama was letting him hang himself.

They knew he would.

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:38 AM

liberal N proud (43,697 posts)

33. How to win a debate with lies!

I don't see how they can make the assertion that Romney won the debate when his rhetoric was pure bull shit!

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:39 AM

reeds2012 (91 posts)

34. GREAT AD!

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:47 AM

Mister K (366 posts)

36. If you cant dazzle them with brilliance then baffle them with bullshit

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:53 AM

WilliamPitt (54,469 posts)

37. Huzzah.

Don't call him on the lies in front of 60 million people.

The internet commercial no one will see will take care of it.

Brilliant fucking strategy.

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:24 AM

speedoo (11,229 posts)

44. Do you really think this is all there is to the counterattack?

You can't be that silly.

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:18 PM

OldDem2012 (3,526 posts)

51. Geez, Pitt, I thought you were smarter than that...

...do you really think that ad is not going to appear on TV and in multiple markets.

Get a grip.

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 05:12 PM

regnaD kciN (17,427 posts)

79. That particular ad certainly won't...

...since it ends with a bunch of clickable links.

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:04 PM

bigtree (49,250 posts)

66. I think you're giving too much value to Pres. Obama being the one to call Romney a liar

It's possible you could be dead wrong on the wisdom of having the President be the one that the Romney camp is forced to respond to for their lies.

I think it's quite effective to have the media (especially media which is normally favorable to republican interests) call Romney a liar. This way, it's not about some 'attack' from our Democratic nominee; it's a referendum from the very press which carries those impressions and interpretations to the general public. I think you're being rather short-sighted on the actual effect of giving Romney the rope and making his lies more of a matter between him and the American people, than just a tit-for-tat between candidates (which is often equalized by the nedia and routinely dismissed as campaign rhetoric).

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 05:15 PM

regnaD kciN (17,427 posts)

80. But which media is doing this?

I think it's quite effective to have the media (especially media which is normally favorable to republican interests) call Romney a liar.

So far, all I've seen is Gergen. Everyone else is only gushing over Romney's "masterful performance."

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 05:21 PM

bigtree (49,250 posts)

83. this media, for instance

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here:

Obama Attacks Swiftly on Twitter, Jabs Romney on Swing Sites
http://www.clickz.com/clickz/news/2214850/obama-attacks-swiftly-on-twitter-jabs-romney-on-swing-sites

and here:

American people are getting and processing campaign info MUCH differently than last time
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021470161

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Response to bigtree (Reply #83)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 05:33 PM

obamanut2012 (9,971 posts)

89. Twitter is, in my opinion, a very effective medium to use

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 06:07 PM

NYC Liberal (15,599 posts)

92. MANY more people will see Obama's ads in the next 5 weeks than will watch the debates.

Romney hanged himself last night by giving enough ad fodder to last until election day. People in swing states will see those ads over and over, day after day for 5 weeks.

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:57 AM

lobodons (663 posts)

38. You don't think

You don't think the Obama camp already had this Ad ready to go sans a clip from the actual debate to put in at the end and ready to go by 10:30 pm last night do you. (I do)

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:00 AM

BumRushDaShow (11,955 posts)

39. And this is just the beginning.

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:17 AM

BlueStreak (3,781 posts)

42. They need to go after the preexisting conditions

Dems talking about the ACA seem to keep turning to just one item over and over: letting you stay on your parent's policy through age 25.

That is just no big deal. Insurance companies are generally happy to take your money for that because 24-year-olds are usually healthy.

The big issues are pre-existing conditions and lifetime caps. This can affect anybody who is not on a company plan, and if you get really sick, you may have to drop off your company plan.

Romney says he's going to repeal the ACA and he says his plan takes care of pre0existing conditions. That is a flat out lie. He doesn't do anything about pre-existing conditions, and if he is turning this over to the states, there is absolutely nothing Romney COULD do about pre-existing conditions. What is he going to do? just declare that an insurance company in Kansas has to cover pre-existing conditions? If he did that, insurance companies would stop writing in Kansas.

The only way to make that work is to have a national requirement, and that is exactly what the ACA is. But that only worked because insurance companies were willing to take that additional burden together with the requirement that nearly everybody had to carry insurance. Without the mandate for full insurance, it is just not fair for the government to tell insurance companies, you have to cover anybody that shows up at your door, even if they are severely sick with an disease you know will cost you a half million bucks to cover.

Romney is lying about this. He doesn't have a plan. His plan is to take us back to the days when insurance companies could use pre-existing conditions and lifetime caps to cancel insurance when you get sick.

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:20 AM

beac (9,340 posts)

43. Great ad! Hope they've got a 30-second version running too! n/t

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:40 AM

whathehell (11,423 posts)

46. Good one!! n/t

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:16 PM

OldDem2012 (3,526 posts)

49. I tried to tell all of the "sky is falling" posters that the fact-checkers...

....would hit Romney hard and the Obama Campaign would launch a number of very effective ads based on Mitt's lies.

Patience is a virtue...knee-jerk reactions are just not very attractive.

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:36 PM

Indpndnt (2,306 posts)

58. True. I keep remembering what happened to Lyin' Ryan after his debut at the RNC.

He was ripped apart by fact-checkers and his honesty is a public joke. The post-debate response plays a more important role than the debate, itself.

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:17 PM

MADem (85,991 posts)

50. Rope a dope. nt

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:41 PM

McCamy Taylor (13,710 posts)

59. great ad

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:46 PM

brooklynite (12,866 posts)

60. Not an ad if nobody sees it...

...these web ads are a lot of fun to watch, but the reality is that the campaign produces them only to drive discuss on TV shows, radio and the internet---where the low information voters are NOT getting their information.

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:52 PM

OldDem2012 (3,526 posts)

61. So, you don't think this ad is already starting to show up in countless Twitter threads....

....and all over Facebook?

You don't think this will become a TV ad very shortly?

You don't think the Obama Campaign and associated PACs don't have a number of ads like this already lined up and ready to go in a variety of ad mediums and markets?

Seriously??

Please.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #61)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:02 PM

brooklynite (12,866 posts)

65. No, I don't...

...Twitter feeds? The people who read Twitter feeds, or watch this on MSNBC or CNN decided who to vote for months ago. This is a 90-second ad that will only be seen on websites, or discussed on Rachel Maddow. If they're going to use this in a 30-second ad, they would have crafted a 30-second ad.

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 04:59 PM

OldDem2012 (3,526 posts)

76. LOL. We'll see won't we? nt.

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 05:23 PM

regnaD kciN (17,427 posts)

84. It better become a TV ad...

...because nobody who doesn't already support the candidate will go to YouTube to view his ads.

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:57 PM

BarackTheVote (560 posts)

64. And the first knot in the noose...

Lying in a debate is like taking steroids in sports. You have an unfair advantage for a while, but eventually, your malfeasance will be dragged into the light of day, and all your accolades turn to scorn.

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:36 PM

otohara (21,591 posts)

68. Lying for the Lord on Steroids

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I remember when I sued Clear Channel and everyone lied during depositions.

I was blown away, my attorney's said they had never worked on a case where everyone lied.

When they're sitting in front of you lying, and rules say, you can't respond, it's very frustrating.

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:55 PM

frazzled (9,139 posts)

69. Here's the real TV ad, just out: "How Can We Trust Him"?

This is exactly the title I suggested they should use in an ad when I talked to my sister this morning!!
Is my phone tapped?

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 05:27 PM

regnaD kciN (17,427 posts)

86. That's NOT a TV ad!!!

Once again, a clue: if an ad ends with a bunch of clickable links, it's a YouTube ad, not a television spot. In other words, invisible to most voters.

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 05:46 PM

frazzled (9,139 posts)

90. Yes, it's a TV ad!!!

Sheesh, what's with the exclamation marks?

Can you see the "Obama for America TV Ad" up in the corner? And how it begins with "I'm Barack Obama and I approve this message."

Neither of those markers is on the "Truth Squad" internet ad on the top. Plus, I got it from TPM, where it was billed as a TV ad.

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:59 PM

porphyrian (18,530 posts)

70. . n/t

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 04:16 PM

colsohlibgal (980 posts)

75. Still Though

Obama was way too placid, for a smart guy who can be engaging on the stump it mystifies me why he is such a mediocre (at best) debater.

Too bad we couldn't have let the Big Dog pinch hit, he would have wiped the floor with Mitt Bot.

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 05:20 PM

jade3000 (234 posts)

82. Um, won't independents just think this more liberal media bias? nt

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 05:25 PM

bigtree (49,250 posts)

85. I don't think independents will be swayed by who they thought was more glib

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. . . the two leading referendums on the debate today are over Obama's debate style and Romney's lies. I know which one will prevail with voters who have real concerns about the direction of the nation.

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 07:34 PM

Matariki (15,016 posts)

96. That was a good ad.

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