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kpete

(71,986 posts)
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 05:50 PM Sep 2012

DO it! DO. It. Head fake or real? Obama campaign flirts with playing for Arizona

Obama campaign has momentum _ and nerves

This year, Obama's team talked early on about running in Arizona, which offers 11 electoral votes, but it never did. Now, with an internal Democratic poll showing Obama narrowly leading Romney, Obama's team might make a play for the state that has seen a 160,000 increase in voter
registrations by Democratic-leaning Hispanics over the past four years.

Buying television time in Phoenix, the state's largest city, is expensive and Obama advisers are closely watching their finances.

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2012/09/25/obama-campaign-has-momentum-_-and-a-case-of-nerves?page=2
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/26/1136774/-Head-fake-or-real-Obama-campaign-flirts-with-playing-for-Arizona#comments

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DO it! DO. It. Head fake or real? Obama campaign flirts with playing for Arizona (Original Post) kpete Sep 2012 OP
Do it! Do it! need to start connecting the rest of blue country to the West Coast! NRaleighLiberal Sep 2012 #1
When Obama comes to Texas, he draws huge crowds. Indpndnt Sep 2012 #25
texas was pink for the week after the dnc DonRedwood Sep 2012 #32
I was thinking South Carolina would also exboyfil Sep 2012 #2
Have you ever been to Arizona? nichomachus Sep 2012 #3
Which border? oberliner Sep 2012 #8
I live in SoCal nichomachus Sep 2012 #16
How about the border between LA and Orange County? oberliner Sep 2012 #39
I hang out sometimes in and around Tucson.. MUCH nicer. annabanana Sep 2012 #11
Actually in Northern Arizonna Sedona Sep 2012 #33
Obámanos! Xipe Totec Sep 2012 #4
! Horale! Capn Sunshine Sep 2012 #36
Head fake or real, ProSense Sep 2012 #5
For real Aerows Sep 2012 #17
True. And psychologically, people respect you more when you fight. When you're a fighter. calimary Sep 2012 #31
Whatever will further demoralize the GOP - THAT is what we should be doing. calimary Sep 2012 #27
Not a great idea oberliner Sep 2012 #6
Nope Aerows Sep 2012 #12
Energy on the ground yes - but money is limited oberliner Sep 2012 #41
And fight for the states that Aerows Sep 2012 #47
Sounds like the strategy used by Kerry and Gore jeff47 Sep 2012 #15
that's right Capn Sunshine Sep 2012 #37
Obama is an incumbent president oberliner Sep 2012 #42
Same philosophy as writing off 47% of the people. justice1 Sep 2012 #40
Completely not at all like that in any respect oberliner Sep 2012 #43
I'm in favor, if for no other reason than to make Mitt throw up a little. It would be great if it.. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #7
If you can turn Arizona blue, or at least purple Aerows Sep 2012 #9
Do it. phantom power Sep 2012 #10
Indiana also has 11 votes. Chipper Chat Sep 2012 #13
Do it! But make sure you've nailed down Ohio and Florida first. reformist2 Sep 2012 #14
And North Carolina and Virginia. AlinPA Sep 2012 #20
Californians can help doing phone banking and bus trips to AZ pinboy3niner Sep 2012 #18
It's on the agenda this weekend- discussion that is Capn Sunshine Sep 2012 #38
That's good news, thanks pinboy3niner Sep 2012 #45
Worth it just for the look on Arpaio's face. n/t porphyrian Sep 2012 #19
I'd like to see resources put into coat tails activities. Bucky Sep 2012 #21
Do it for the senate seat. Mr.Turnip Sep 2012 #22
I say Go For It. Never write off any state. . . DinahMoeHum Sep 2012 #23
Come oooooonnnnn!!! DO IT! n/t ejbr Sep 2012 #24
YES JI7 Sep 2012 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author patrice Sep 2012 #28
I'll do my part by planting a few seeds on FB. jonesgirl Sep 2012 #29
or a guest part in a deadmau5 concert. House dance trance, stage effects, and lights music ... patrice Sep 2012 #30
You don't seem to happy about this move Hutzpa Sep 2012 #34
It's delightful news!! ailsagirl Sep 2012 #35
It sure is a delightful news Hutzpa Sep 2012 #44
Fight for every seat Aerows Sep 2012 #48
Leave it alone Doctor_J Sep 2012 #46
I'm going to fight for MS Aerows Sep 2012 #49
I say do it! jorno67 Sep 2012 #50
Give it a try - if the polls move, it will force Romney to defend even more "home turf!" reformist2 Sep 2012 #51

NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
1. Do it! Do it! need to start connecting the rest of blue country to the West Coast!
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 05:52 PM
Sep 2012

First Arizona....then....maybe next time...Texas? (I can dream)....

Indpndnt

(2,391 posts)
25. When Obama comes to Texas, he draws huge crowds.
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 07:35 PM
Sep 2012

And the demographics are changing. Your dream is morphing closer to reality every year.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
2. I was thinking South Carolina would also
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 05:55 PM
Sep 2012

look pretty nice. A 1/3 of the state is either African American or Latino, and some polls have been favorable.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
3. Have you ever been to Arizona?
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 05:57 PM
Sep 2012

I go frequently. You can feel the change in the vibe when you cross the border. And I can't wait to get out again. It's one scary place.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
16. I live in SoCal
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 06:14 PM
Sep 2012

So I usually go in on the I-10. I've been all over the state, but it's not a place I'm really comfortable. Grand Canyon is nice and so is Sedona. Other than that - meh. I've never been to Tucson. I had friends who moved their and bailed after a couple of years.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
39. How about the border between LA and Orange County?
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 09:26 PM
Sep 2012

Might say that's two different worlds as well in many ways.

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
11. I hang out sometimes in and around Tucson.. MUCH nicer.
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 06:04 PM
Sep 2012

The North part of the state is the red part.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
5. Head fake or real,
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 06:00 PM
Sep 2012

go for it! Still plenty of time for Mitt to piss off some more people.

Republicans Are Giving Up On Beating Grijalva In AZ-03

The National Republican Congressional Committee has shifted its focus away from Arizona's 3rd Congressional District race in which Republican Gabriela Saucedo Mercer is challenging Democratic incumbent Rep. Raul Grijalva, the Arizona Daily Star reports. Though Grijalva was a top GOP target last year, the NRCC is now focusing their resources elsewhere.

The district favors Democrats in voter registration and Grijalva is better prepared for the race than in 2010, according to the Daily Star. But Grijalva says that Saucedo Mercer, who last year said that Middle Easterners' "only goal in life is to, to cause harm to the United States" and are not welcome in the country, is the reason the NRCC has abandoned the district.

"They put their eggs in Ms. Mercer's basket and she's proven to be more of a liability than an asset," Grijalva said.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/republicans-are-giving-up-on-beating-grijalva-in
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
17. For real
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 06:15 PM
Sep 2012

I'm tired of my state being default "red". If Arizona can change, so can MS. And I don't mind fighting a battle that at first seems futile - it's the kind of battle that becomes a win when you fight for it.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
31. True. And psychologically, people respect you more when you fight. When you're a fighter.
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 07:49 PM
Sep 2012

Even if you're wrong. Look how much traction the republi-CONS have gotten through the years - because THEY seem to stand for something while we're looked upon as wishy-washy, and we're laughed at and disrespected. I can remember countless times when I heard dubya on the campaign trail the second time, telling people "you may not agree with me, but you know where I stand." And that was a very effective contrast with OUR guy, John Kerry, who was Mr. "I voted for it before I voted against it" and that played like a stink bomb in the queen's royal boudoir. bush won respect for simply looking as though he stood for something. And he did stand for something. All the WRONG things, of course, but he stood for something. And that resonates with lots of voters. We need to be FEARED. And begrudgingly respected.

Howard Dean, btw, did that in the Deep South - when he actually ventured into enemy territory as our DNC Chair, and talked to voters there one-on-one, and brought his liberal views with him. He knew he was gonna get resistance, but he also figured that some of these folks had only ever heard the Pox Noise/limbaugh version of the world. He offered HIS. And he spoke, later, about how people were receptive, and respectful that he actually tried to present his "contrarian" ideas to them. Some of them, he described, actually took a second look at some of the issues he described - like the choice issue in particular - and saw things differently as a result of his talk.

Howard Dean is STILL my hero! We practically had to force him on the DNC brass. And look at the results we got - in 2006 and 2008!

calimary

(81,220 posts)
27. Whatever will further demoralize the GOP - THAT is what we should be doing.
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 07:38 PM
Sep 2012

DEMORALIZE and DESTABILIZE.

Kick 'em when they're down. ESPECIALLY when they're down. We don't often get an opportunity to stomp on a floor full of snakes that have had their fangs removed! Make sure you have good spikey track shoes on! Golf shoes would be even better! Or ice climbers!

Seems to me we should try to imagine what THEY would do to US if the situation were reversed, and let that motivate and inspire us. THIS IS NO TIME TO PLAY MOTHER TERESA! A little mortification is good for the soul. For theirs especially. If they're down, DO NOT offer a hand up. That's when you need to kick 'em in the teeth.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
12. Nope
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 06:05 PM
Sep 2012

Energy on the ground spent by residents of the state sends a message. I'm trying to send a message here in Mississippi. We don't HAVE to be a red state by default. We can get off of our asses and make a change. That doesn't mean resources spent elsewhere, that means resources spent right here, in our communities, when they wouldn't have been spent.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
41. Energy on the ground yes - but money is limited
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 09:27 PM
Sep 2012

I just think we should spend wisely. Make sure we lock up the states we are supposed to win. They should be enough.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
47. And fight for the states that
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 05:15 PM
Sep 2012

it is assumed we will lose, like Arizona, which only has a margin of 3%, well within the margin of error.

I want Democrats to fight to the death for this election, at the top, and downstream, and have a decisive win. There are traditionally red states in our grasp, and the day we stop fighting for them is the day we give them up.

I don't believe in giving up ground.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
15. Sounds like the strategy used by Kerry and Gore
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 06:09 PM
Sep 2012

How'd that work out again?

50-State Strategy. It works.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
42. Obama is an incumbent president
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 09:28 PM
Sep 2012

And a much stronger candidate.

If he wins the states he is now slated to win, he gets it.

Let's make sure that happens.

justice1

(795 posts)
40. Same philosophy as writing off 47% of the people.
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 09:27 PM
Sep 2012

I took a break from DU for several year, being from Nebraska, I was met with resistance, even from people here.

My fellow Democrats are starting to come around, and even some in the media, which never gave Obama credit for an electoral vote, have broken the state down, to reflect reality. It's not about winning this time, it's about building a base.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
43. Completely not at all like that in any respect
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 09:31 PM
Sep 2012

Just want to make sure to win the presidency. Resources are not infinite. They will have to be allocated in some way. Makes sense to allocate them in the way that leads to electoral victory. That would be the best result for all the people in all the states.

Can win and build a base at the same time. Don't need to go for a "win" in every single state - it won't happen. But there is a way to spend some money everywhere, especially for down ballot races - while still being smart about allocation.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,233 posts)
7. I'm in favor, if for no other reason than to make Mitt throw up a little. It would be great if it..
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 06:01 PM
Sep 2012

boosted down ballot races as well.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
9. If you can turn Arizona blue, or at least purple
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 06:03 PM
Sep 2012

You can turn ANY state purple. I'm trying in Mississippi. Just you see if we can't!

Chipper Chat

(9,678 posts)
13. Indiana also has 11 votes.
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 06:07 PM
Sep 2012

Much friendlier territory than McCainland. Auto industry-related workers are everywhere here: Kokomo, Anderson, Fort Wayne, Marion, Greensburg, Evansville, Columbus, Gary, Lafayette. We would like to see the President here to counteract the loud sniping that curently eminates from the pushy Tea Party and the disgusting Mike Pence. (edited for spelling)

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
18. Californians can help doing phone banking and bus trips to AZ
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 06:16 PM
Sep 2012

Right now, I'm seeing bus trips to NV but not AZ.

Capn Sunshine

(14,378 posts)
38. It's on the agenda this weekend- discussion that is
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 09:16 PM
Sep 2012

There's a lot of us that want to push on AZ. We think the results would be beneficial downticket

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
45. That's good news, thanks
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 11:11 PM
Sep 2012

It's a challenge to organize quickly and it means more work for some already-overworked people, but it can give a boost up and down the ticket. Important, especially, in firing up dem voters.

Besides, I'd love to do a bus trip to someplace like Maricopa County.

I was a kerrytraveler in '04 (CA to OH), working full time in a county field office for the final 2 months, and I loved it (and, iirc, Kerry took Franklin County by about 43,000 votes). It was a real pleasure, too, to work with some great DNC members like Deb K and Ann R.

If you can get this off the ground, I'll see you on the bus!

Response to kpete (Original post)

patrice

(47,992 posts)
30. or a guest part in a deadmau5 concert. House dance trance, stage effects, and lights music ...
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 07:47 PM
Sep 2012

See if we can get the Tea Party to laugh instead of WHINE.

Hutzpa

(11,461 posts)
34. You don't seem to happy about this move
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 08:44 PM
Sep 2012

I sense you're kind of upset huh, that the Obama campaign is making a play for AZ.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
46. Leave it alone
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 09:48 AM
Sep 2012

Let the places like AZ have their teabaggers, then after the election marginalize them compared to the blue states. Make a daily point of mentioning how much better things are in VT, CA, MD than in MS, AZ, TX.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
49. I'm going to fight for MS
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 05:26 PM
Sep 2012

Don't think I will not do everything I can to help turn this hopelessly red state around. I don't think I will succeed in this cycle, but given enough time, all things can change.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
51. Give it a try - if the polls move, it will force Romney to defend even more "home turf!"
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 05:29 PM
Sep 2012

Also, it makes no sense only playing on territory where we're already ahead. That's called sitting on your lead, which is not a good thing to do... we should always be on the offensive. Try to get states we didn't think we could.... shock and awe!
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