Sat Sep 22, 2012, 02:16 PM

Playinghardball (5,536 posts)

Can we please retire one of the biggest right wing Myths??

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Can we please retire one of the biggest right wing Myths?? (Original post)	Playinghardball	Sep 2012	OP
Truth. K&R	Qutzupalotl	Sep 2012	#1
I still hear this on almost a daily basis	aint_no_life_nowhere	Sep 2012	#2
Right-wingers say this EVERY DAY on cnn.com and elsewhere.	mwb970	Sep 2012	#24
They are wrong. Here's the analysis:	patrice	Sep 2012	#32
I'm tired of telling them this.	mwb970	Sep 2012	#37
Refute their argument......and they just come back and repeat it!	LongTomH	Sep 2012	#47
"You now have the facts. If you forget them and repeat this line of bullshit again,	The Doctor.	Sep 2012	#49
Bears frequent repeating.	nolabear	Sep 2012	#3
Bears repeating ... ranting, and paraphrasing	ashling	Sep 2012	#35
Are You Thee Best? Or What? Just Too Damn Good! Thank You!	12AngryBorneoWildmen	Sep 2012	#45
Thank you very much	ashling	Sep 2012	#55
Ha.... I see what you did there.	The Doctor.	Sep 2012	#50
Senator Joseph Lieberman	rsweets	Sep 2012	#4
No, that says a lot.	truebluegreen	Sep 2012	#5
KNR	DirkGently	Sep 2012	#6
K&R nt	abelenkpe	Sep 2012	#7
This needs to be shown to all the posters who bash Pelosi.	Odin2005	Sep 2012	#8
This needs to be shown to all the posters who bash Pelosi.	AlbertCat	Sep 2012	#10
Here you go:	patrice	Sep 2012	#33
OH THANK YOU!!!	LoisB	Sep 2012	#9
Besides....	AlbertCat	Sep 2012	#11
This topic does not get nearly enough play.	mick063	Sep 2012	#12
Our government is paralyzed by it	truebluegreen	Sep 2012	#13
And that 'both parties are exactly the same, so give up.'	freshwest	Sep 2012	#21
Nicely done	Hutzpa	Sep 2012	#26
Analysis of senate census:	patrice	Sep 2012	#36
This is what I have told the hope and change mockers -- Obama is working with what he has.	freshwest	Sep 2012	#38
LOTS of people have next to no understanding of how things work in Congress AND they are	patrice	Sep 2012	#39
Actually, we never had a veto-proof majority at all	Ken Burch	Sep 2012	#14
The guy with the dead squirrel on his head from Nebraska: aka Ben Nelson.	TrollBuster9090	Sep 2012	#16
If only someone had performed an emergency squirrelectomy.	Ken Burch	Sep 2012	#19
lol	Hutzpa	Sep 2012	#27
I had to look that one up -- The Senator Ben Nelson from the great state of Nebraska, I presume	progree	Sep 2012	#17
You're right.	Ken Burch	Sep 2012	#20
Agreed. + Link to analysis:	patrice	Sep 2012	#29
As far as I'm aware, there were NEVER 60 Democrats in the Senate. Am I wrong?	TrollBuster9090	Sep 2012	#15
You nailed it	saidsimplesimon	Sep 2012	#22
The analysis I linked above counts the possible progressives in the Senate at 44. nt	patrice	Sep 2012	#30
Republican created Myths are always lies......	busterbrown	Sep 2012	#18
Hear this everyday - TY n/t	madmax	Sep 2012	#23
Link to research on this:	patrice	Sep 2012	#31
K&R	krawhitham	Sep 2012	#25
Ten times, yep that's as close as they	orpupilofnature57	Sep 2012	#28
Here's a breakdown of a senate census:	patrice	Sep 2012	#34
GOP Block	rapersun	Sep 2012	#40
While we're "torn", with all due respect and I'm one of them, they have run with the ball	cr8tvlde	Sep 2012	#41
Just sent this to a Rthug friend N/T	PuppyBismark	Sep 2012	#42
I would go further	genxlib	Sep 2012	#43
And that included both Lieberdweeb and a bunch of conservative DINOs who tend to vote	tblue37	Sep 2012	#44
Candy Crowley just now was spreading this lie again	aint_no_life_nowhere	Sep 2012	#46
Thanks for posting this, but was it only 24 days?	Tennessee Gal	Sep 2012	#48
K&R	skeewee08	Sep 2012	#51
What's even stupider about it is that the people who bring it up are the same people who say...	ck4829	Sep 2012	#52
And that's why we didn't pass the ACA either.	progressoid	Sep 2012	#53
Mitt just lied about this on 60 Minutes!	Tennessee Gal	Sep 2012	#54
The person doing the interview set him straight?	B Calm	Sep 2012	#56
Of course not. They never do. nt	Tennessee Gal	Sep 2012	#57

Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Sep 22, 2012, 02:57 PM

Qutzupalotl (7,515 posts)

1. Truth. K&R

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Sep 22, 2012, 03:04 PM

aint_no_life_nowhere (18,936 posts)

2. I still hear this on almost a daily basis

The hosts of political talk shows never seem to react. Maybe they should each be mailed a footnoted brief with attached exhibits, special delivery.

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Response to aint_no_life_nowhere (Reply #2)

Sat Sep 22, 2012, 05:06 PM

mwb970 (10,117 posts)

24. Right-wingers say this EVERY DAY on cnn.com and elsewhere.

Conservatives are very dim. Once they get an idea into their heads there's no shifting it.

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Response to mwb970 (Reply #24)

Sat Sep 22, 2012, 06:00 PM

patrice (47,384 posts)

32. They are wrong. Here's the analysis:

http://blog.reidreport.com/2011/07/myth-of-progressive-majority/

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Response to patrice (Reply #32)

Sat Sep 22, 2012, 06:11 PM

mwb970 (10,117 posts)

37. I'm tired of telling them this.

They come back on the next day saying the same thing. It's as if their heads were concrete.

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Response to mwb970 (Reply #37)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 12:53 PM

LongTomH (3,997 posts)

47. Refute their argument......and they just come back and repeat it!

That's been their debating 'style' for years. It's the big lie technique; make the lie big enough and just keep repeating it!

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Response to mwb970 (Reply #37)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 01:57 PM

The Doctor. (17,266 posts)

49. "You now have the facts. If you forget them and repeat this line of bullshit again,

I'm going to slap you across the face."

I haven't tried this one yet, but it might have a better chance of getting it across to them.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Sep 22, 2012, 03:05 PM

nolabear (14,723 posts)

3. Bears frequent repeating.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #3)

Sat Sep 22, 2012, 06:03 PM

ashling (19,218 posts)

35. Bears repeating ... ranting, and paraphrasing

"Democrats only had a real majority for 24 Days!"

"24 Days"

"24 Days!"

"I can see Alaska from my house!"

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Response to ashling (Reply #35)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 11:50 AM

12AngryBorneoWildmen (484 posts)

45. Are You Thee Best? Or What? Just Too Damn Good! Thank You!

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Response to 12AngryBorneoWildmen (Reply #45)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 12:31 AM

ashling (19,218 posts)

55. Thank you very much

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Response to ashling (Reply #35)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 01:59 PM

The Doctor. (17,266 posts)

50. Ha.... I see what you did there.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Sep 22, 2012, 03:06 PM

rsweets (282 posts)

4. Senator Joseph Lieberman

need i say more?

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Response to rsweets (Reply #4)

Sat Sep 22, 2012, 03:16 PM

truebluegreen (1,666 posts)

5. No, that says a lot.

The brief window, after the seating of Senator Franken, and before the death of Senator Kennedy, was never really open, because of scum like Joe LIEberman.

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Sat Sep 22, 2012, 03:25 PM

DirkGently (6,675 posts)

6. KNR

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Sat Sep 22, 2012, 03:37 PM

abelenkpe (7,120 posts)

7. K&R nt

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Sep 22, 2012, 03:40 PM

Odin2005 (48,255 posts)

8. This needs to be shown to all the posters who bash Pelosi.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #8)

Sat Sep 22, 2012, 03:59 PM

AlbertCat (10,450 posts)

10. This needs to be shown to all the posters who bash Pelosi.

She was in the House. She sent tons of stuff over to die in the Senate.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #8)

Sat Sep 22, 2012, 06:01 PM

patrice (47,384 posts)

33. Here you go:

http://blog.reidreport.com/2011/07/myth-of-progressive-majority/

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Sep 22, 2012, 03:59 PM

LoisB (501 posts)

9. OH THANK YOU!!!

I rail against this every time I hear it. The President NEVER had 60 votes in the Senate; he had the Dems and LIEberman, Landrieu, and the rest of the Blue Dogs.

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Response to LoisB (Reply #9)

Sat Sep 22, 2012, 04:02 PM

AlbertCat (10,450 posts)

11. Besides....

Dems don't vote in a block like zombies. They don't vote against legislation they created themselves, or if all their amendments get included. (are you listening Senator Burr.... you jerk?)

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Sep 22, 2012, 04:05 PM

mick063 (1,075 posts)

12. This topic does not get nearly enough play.

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We are conditioning an entire generation into believing that filibuster is the norm.

It isn't. Or it wasn't.

To me, this issue has equal value to the appointment of Supreme Court Justices.

Our legislative body is paralyzed because of it. The office of the President is greatly diminished because of it. To solve America's problems, the mitigation of filibuster abuse has to be the first step.

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Response to mick063 (Reply #12)

Sat Sep 22, 2012, 04:08 PM

truebluegreen (1,666 posts)

13. Our government is paralyzed by it

at a time of many crises, the Republicans decided to do nothing so they could put one man out of a job.

Swine. Traitorous, treacherous swine.

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Response to mick063 (Reply #12)

Sat Sep 22, 2012, 04:50 PM

freshwest (31,480 posts)

21. And that 'both parties are exactly the same, so give up.'

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Response to freshwest (Reply #21)

Sat Sep 22, 2012, 05:34 PM

Hutzpa (10,475 posts)

26. Nicely done

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Need to add this also;

If the problem still remains, create voter fraud.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #21)

Sat Sep 22, 2012, 06:03 PM

patrice (47,384 posts)

36. Analysis of senate census:

http://blog.reidreport.com/2011/07/myth-of-progressive-majority/

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Response to patrice (Reply #36)

Sat Sep 22, 2012, 06:19 PM

freshwest (31,480 posts)

38. This is what I have told the hope and change mockers -- Obama is working with what he has.

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Not what we imagine he has. Thanks for that link with the report. And that's why we BEG people to get out and vote, instead of standing to the side and telling us it's not worth. Americans created this by leaving the fray and surrendering ground to the GOP, state after state, legislature, etc. They don't want to go and confront these folks in person at planning meeting, churches, etc to change their minds. This is a solid GOP voting block that he is dealing with and it's what happens close to home that makes things happen or not happen in D.C.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #38)

Sat Sep 22, 2012, 06:34 PM

patrice (47,384 posts)

39. LOTS of people have next to no understanding of how things work in Congress AND they are

nearly completely uninformed on the issue facts themselves and that applies all of the way across the political spectrum.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Sep 22, 2012, 04:11 PM

Ken Burch (31,231 posts)

14. Actually, we never had a veto-proof majority at all

Lieberman and Blanche Lincoln and the guy with the dead squirrel on his head from Nebraska always announced they were backing the filibusters, and voted over and over and over again against cloture.

Not meaning to disrespect the sign...just pointing out that the truth is even worse.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #14)

Sat Sep 22, 2012, 04:26 PM

TrollBuster9090 (1,604 posts)

16. The guy with the dead squirrel on his head from Nebraska: aka Ben Nelson.

And the dead squirrel wasn't on his head, it was inside his skull.

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Reply #16)

Sat Sep 22, 2012, 04:34 PM

Ken Burch (31,231 posts)

19. If only someone had performed an emergency squirrelectomy.

n/t.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #19)

Sat Sep 22, 2012, 05:38 PM

Hutzpa (10,475 posts)

27. lol

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #14)

Sat Sep 22, 2012, 04:29 PM

progree (848 posts)

17. I had to look that one up -- The Senator Ben Nelson from the great state of Nebraska, I presume

I had to look that up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Senators_from_Nebraska January 3, 2009 - present: both Mike Johanns (RepubliCON) and Ben Nelson (DemocRAT).

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Response to progree (Reply #17)

Sat Sep 22, 2012, 04:35 PM

Ken Burch (31,231 posts)

20. You're right.

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William Jennings Bryan would roll in his grave if he knew the kind of senators his state elects now. So would George Norris.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #14)

Sat Sep 22, 2012, 05:53 PM

patrice (47,384 posts)

29. Agreed. + Link to analysis:

http://blog.reidreport.com/2011/07/myth-of-progressive-majority/

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Sep 22, 2012, 04:24 PM

TrollBuster9090 (1,604 posts)

15. As far as I'm aware, there were NEVER 60 Democrats in the Senate. Am I wrong?

I thought they only had 57, and had to pull in Sanders and Lieberman (as in 'Lieberman the guy who was McCain's ORIGINAL pick for VP), and Snowe to get the first healthcare bill passed. Then Kennedy died, they lost one vote and had to pass the affordable care act using reconciliation...which nearly didn't pass due to a few House Democrats voting no.

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Sat Sep 22, 2012, 04:52 PM

saidsimplesimon (127 posts)

22. You nailed it

What's with the smirking glares from the Mittens, Scott Brown and Ryan? It reminds me of the old shrub days, "I'm the decider in Chief". Are we moving forward, or back to the future?

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Sat Sep 22, 2012, 05:55 PM

patrice (47,384 posts)

30. The analysis I linked above counts the possible progressives in the Senate at 44. nt

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Sat Sep 22, 2012, 04:30 PM

busterbrown (1,439 posts)

18. Republican created Myths are always lies......

I actually think the "You didn't build that" bullshit
is the one lie that they still use and reuse. It is time that
the mainstream media put this false piece of crap to rest!

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Sat Sep 22, 2012, 05:04 PM

madmax (16,595 posts)

23. Hear this everyday - TY n/t

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Sat Sep 22, 2012, 05:57 PM

patrice (47,384 posts)

31. Link to research on this:

http://blog.reidreport.com/2011/07/myth-of-progressive-majority/

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Sat Sep 22, 2012, 05:29 PM

krawhitham (3,148 posts)

25. K&R

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Sat Sep 22, 2012, 05:45 PM

orpupilofnature57 (10,553 posts)

28. Ten times, yep that's as close as they

can see, they're desperate.

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Sat Sep 22, 2012, 06:02 PM

patrice (47,384 posts)

34. Here's a breakdown of a senate census:

http://blog.reidreport.com/2011/07/myth-of-progressive-majority/

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Sat Sep 22, 2012, 06:36 PM

rapersun (11 posts)

40. GOP Block

Fortunately for us, Dems don't vote in blocks. We actually have our own opinions and see the whole picture - which sometimes affects the way we vote.

GOPs do not think for themselves unfortunately, they vote together to make things happen.

I'm torn about what is for the best and what works the best.

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Response to rapersun (Reply #40)

Sat Sep 22, 2012, 07:12 PM

cr8tvlde (1,171 posts)

41. While we're "torn", with all due respect and I'm one of them, they have run with the ball

"to make things happen" into the end zone. Six points. That's like saying we all come to the huddle with a new plan to run the field and meanwhile the other team has gone downfield, we're still discussing 7 different plays. Lining up with a cool play for the extra point punt protection? As Liberal as it all sounds, it's not working.

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Sat Sep 22, 2012, 08:14 PM

PuppyBismark (306 posts)

42. Just sent this to a Rthug friend N/T

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Sun Sep 23, 2012, 12:43 AM

genxlib (111 posts)

43. I would go further

I would say the Democrats never had a filibuster proof majority because some of their members are not truly Dems.

The Senate has a built in advantage for Red States. NY and California get 2 senators and Montana and Idaho also get 2. If you look at the breakdowns. Many of the most populist states are blue and the smallest states are red. The net result is many more Senator seats have a built in red bias.

Dems face the choice of conceding these seats or competing for them with DINOS. While it looked like a majority, the Dem caucus was handicapped with jackasses like Ben Nelson in Nebraska. He is maddening but the alternative is to have the seat blood red

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Sun Sep 23, 2012, 01:28 AM

tblue37 (11,700 posts)

44. And that included both Lieberdweeb and a bunch of conservative DINOs who tend to vote

with the Republicans a lot.

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Sun Sep 23, 2012, 12:30 PM

aint_no_life_nowhere (18,936 posts)

46. Candy Crowley just now was spreading this lie again

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She was interviewing Dick Durbin and Lindsey Graham and Durbin had to argue against both Crowley and Graham on this. Durbin had to explain the prolonged illnesses and deaths of Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd to a journalist who should know this. Crowley also was acting as a Republican spokesperson instead of a journalist and said there was nothing in Romney's tax returns as though she had seen them. And this right wing partisan masquerading as a journalist will be a debate moderator.

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Sun Sep 23, 2012, 12:59 PM

Tennessee Gal (6,160 posts)

48. Thanks for posting this, but was it only 24 days?

President Obama had a Filibuster-proof Majority for 72 Days

The Senate had 60 sitting Democrats only from September 24, 2009 to February 4, 2010, the day on which Senator Scott Brown of Massachusetts was sworn in.

Senate Calendar January 21, 2009 - December 31, 2009
17 days out of session from September 24 thru December 31

Senate Calendar January 1, 2010 - February 4, 2010
12 days out of session from January 1 thru February 4

From September 24, 2009 to February 4, 2010, the President had a filibuster-proof majority for 72 days.

http://www.thepragmaticpundit.com/2012/09/president-obama-had-filibuster-proof.html

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Sun Sep 23, 2012, 02:09 PM

skeewee08 (1,892 posts)