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theophilus

(3,750 posts)
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 01:37 PM Sep 2012

Well, Jesus Christ believed in the redistribution of wealth. What about that?

There are numerous examples of wealth redistribution in the Old Testament. Just look up Jubilee some time! Jesus was known for helping the poor and the RICH young ruler was told to sell ALL he had and give it to the poor. There are many other examples of Jesus teaching to redistribute and always help the poor. What about it Christopublicans?

When the Christian church begins in Jerusalem, all those who had abundance sold some of it and helped those who were in need so that NO ONE LACKED. This concept was continued into the future, somewhat when Gentiles were converted. We see congregations helping those less fortunate and Paul quoting Jesus as saying, "It is more blessed to Give than to RECEIVE.

Today's REpubs are hypocrites and don't know their Bible, obviously.

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Well, Jesus Christ believed in the redistribution of wealth. What about that? (Original Post) theophilus Sep 2012 OP
"Today's REpubs are hypocrites and don't know their Bible, obviously." KansDem Sep 2012 #1
"Today's REpubs are hypocrites and don't know their Bible, obviously." Flashmann Sep 2012 #7
repost krhines Sep 2012 #2
Jesus was not in the Old Testament Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #3
please stop using mythology as a proving or showing a point on anything... snooper2 Sep 2012 #4
Who is that "us"? tama Sep 2012 #6
Speak for yourself. The adults in the room will continue to use the bible's own words to kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #14
The problem is kctim Sep 2012 #5
so then krhines Sep 2012 #8
That's silly kctim Sep 2012 #26
Doesn't it make sense that Jesus would want governments to do the same things as individuals? Poiuyt Sep 2012 #11
Jesus krhines Sep 2012 #12
I'm not sure kctim Sep 2012 #29
+100000 Missycim Sep 2012 #27
FALSE! "..they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all.. uponit7771 Sep 2012 #33
1To emperor tama Sep 2012 #9
The Republican "Bible" is about eight pages of excerpts, many of which are from Leviticus. HopeHoops Sep 2012 #10
hahahaha MariaM83 Sep 2012 #19
That wasn't meant as humor. HopeHoops Sep 2012 #25
I hear you... Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #30
"Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's." Translation: Pay your effing taxes!! kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #13
Did Caesar's government provide welfare? Or was it all for war, roads, and to pay the politicians? dkf Sep 2012 #17
It's beside the point. An order from on high is an order. kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #18
I'm actually curious if that is what Jesus meant. dkf Sep 2012 #21
Caesar's government was not a democracy (if you were an Israelite, anyway) nt MariaM83 Sep 2012 #20
Jesus was the original Christian Fundamentalist. Few qualify today. cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #15
The GOP have created their own Christianity Prophet 451 Sep 2012 #16
That's not in the Authoritative Plutocratic Version of the bible...you're cherry picking editions!! HereSince1628 Sep 2012 #22
That is SO 33 AD. TheManInTheMac Sep 2012 #23
In fairness, tho, the Bible and Jesus are speaking of giving, not others taking. nt Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #24
Jesus Loves You n/t HangOnKids Sep 2012 #31
This I know. nt Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #32
Jesus at the Republican Convention Cali_Democrat Sep 2012 #28

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
1. "Today's REpubs are hypocrites and don't know their Bible, obviously."
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 01:46 PM
Sep 2012

Jesus Christ is merely a hood ornament on the Rolls-Royces of One Percenters.

Flashmann

(2,140 posts)
7. "Today's REpubs are hypocrites and don't know their Bible, obviously."
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 02:04 PM
Sep 2012

Oh they know it....It just doesn't apply to them.....Hell,why follow the rules,when one can amass enough stolen wealth to bribe ones way into heaven......Everyone has a price,right??..They just need to find Gods number.....

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
4. please stop using mythology as a proving or showing a point on anything...
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 01:52 PM
Sep 2012

Our goal is to have it dismissed completely....not worthy of discussion---

 

tama

(9,137 posts)
6. Who is that "us"?
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 01:57 PM
Sep 2012

It certainly does not include indigenous people and our oral traditions and myths we have founded their lives upon, expressing and informing balanced way of life, myths that express ancestral wisdom and thousands of generations of empirical experience and evolutionary adaptation in compacted linguistic poetic form.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
14. Speak for yourself. The adults in the room will continue to use the bible's own words to
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 02:40 PM
Sep 2012

refute the biblical cherry-picking that the RW uses to justify their politics.

krhines

(115 posts)
8. so then
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 02:11 PM
Sep 2012

So then why don't the 80% of the population who calls themselves "Christians" start selling everything they have and give it to the poor?

 

kctim

(3,575 posts)
26. That's silly
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 05:07 PM
Sep 2012

It's like saying why don't the 15% of the population who call themselves liberals use their own money to help who they say they care about, instead of paying for internet, TV, phone or whatever.

People don't have a problem with a system that helps others, they have a problem with a system that is abused and excessive.

Poiuyt

(18,117 posts)
11. Doesn't it make sense that Jesus would want governments to do the same things as individuals?
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 02:34 PM
Sep 2012

I really doubt that Jesus would have said that individuals should be caring to those in need, but that governments should do just the opposite.

 

kctim

(3,575 posts)
29. I'm not sure
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 05:25 PM
Sep 2012

From what I have heard, he spoke on an individual level, not a governmental one, and I would think that would place the burden on those who believe.
I'm pretty sure Christians believe they should live their lives according to how dictates, not how government dictates. Perhaps that is why they get so riled up against government infringing on how they live their lives?

Look, I'm an atheist but I find the religious belief system interesting. I have no idea how or why people believe the way they do, but I don't think mocking, condemning or force does anything but create further division.

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
33. FALSE! "..they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all..
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 08:18 PM
Sep 2012

...as the NEEDED" Acts 2:45

The first CHURCH gave not just the individual, Jesus Christ DID believe in ORGANIZATIONAL redistribution and the organization being the "government" is a goper red hearing to the false statement that giving was only on an individual level.

Render on to Caesar of course but don't act as if the US government doesn't take Judea Christian values as a moral yardstick.


 

tama

(9,137 posts)
9. 1To emperor
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 02:22 PM
Sep 2012

what is emperors." Emperors picture on piece of metal, give that back to the emperor. Is that "redistribution" or imperial "wealth"? Not.

Kicking down the bankster tables in Temple? Is that redistribution of imperial wealth? No, it's fuck you and get the hell out from Temple of life to Imperialist Banksters.

What about wealth, what is real wealth? "Like birds in the sky..."

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
17. Did Caesar's government provide welfare? Or was it all for war, roads, and to pay the politicians?
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 06:50 PM
Sep 2012
 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
18. It's beside the point. An order from on high is an order.
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 07:38 PM
Sep 2012

But carry on with your habit of trying to change the subject to deflect attacks from your little RW politician friends.

We know full well that you are opposed to all government programs that help the poor, sick, and needy.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
21. I'm actually curious if that is what Jesus meant.
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 08:48 PM
Sep 2012

I've often heard the render into Caesar quote but have no idea if that provided for the kind of assistance we associate with the government.

cr8tvlde

(1,185 posts)
15. Jesus was the original Christian Fundamentalist. Few qualify today.
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 02:59 PM
Sep 2012

See Beatitudes and Sermon on the Mount. "By their works ye shall know them." pretty much sums it up.

One of my favorites that makes me proud to be a Democrat..."Even as you have done it unto one of least of these, you have done it unto me."

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
16. The GOP have created their own Christianity
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 05:27 PM
Sep 2012

Remember when everyone was worried that the Religious Right would take over the GOP? Well, what actually happened was rather more complicated. Instead of one subsuming the other, the agendas merged and an entirely new belief system was born. Rather than a religion which was dragged into politics, this new belief system exists to be political. It's very reason for being is to give a divine imperative to ultraright policies.

In this belief system, Jesus was pro-business, anti-gay, anti-government. In short, their Jesus agreed with the GOP on every issue. The theological contortions they go through to justify all this are quite entertaining if you're into that sort of thing but the important point is that they genuinely believe it. They genuinely believe that the Jesus of the Bible (class warrior, proto-socialist, long-haired Jewish peacenik) was and is best represented by the GOP platform and they can come up with all kinds of creative Scriptural interpretations to justify it.

I call this new belief system Christopublicanism. Like Mormonism, it grew out of Christianity but is distinct from it. The important bit here is that this belief system exists to stamp "Jesus approved" on GOP doctrine and to demonise political opponants as not just a differing opinion but anti-God.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
22. That's not in the Authoritative Plutocratic Version of the bible...you're cherry picking editions!!
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 08:53 PM
Sep 2012

Just sayin it cuz it's so true.

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