Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:18 PM
TahitiNut (71,568 posts)
"Job Creators," huh? OK. Let's have a top tax rate of 35% + Unemployment Rate!
FUCK 'em! Put up or shut up!
What would this mean? Well, the tax rate for any fiscal tax year would equal the average of the unemployment rates for the four quarters ending in Q3 of the prior year. In effect, then, they'd pay the top tax rate of the Clinton years (39.6%) *IF* the unemployment rate was about the same as the Clinton years (4.6%). For this year, they'd pay 43.1%. As far as I'm concerned, people rolling in dough during hard times can damned well shoulder their fair share!
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29 replies, 1179 views
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| TahitiNut | Sep 2012 | OP | |
| liberal N proud | Sep 2012 | #1 | |
| tk2kewl | Sep 2012 | #2 | |
| TahitiNut | Sep 2012 | #12 | |
| tk2kewl | Sep 2012 | #16 | |
| Scuba | Sep 2012 | #20 | |
| phleshdef | Sep 2012 | #3 | |
| jberryhill | Sep 2012 | #4 | |
| ck4829 | Sep 2012 | #5 | |
| reformist2 | Sep 2012 | #6 | |
| Cali_Democrat | Sep 2012 | #7 | |
| librechik | Sep 2012 | #8 | |
| Hamlette | Sep 2012 | #9 | |
| HooptieWagon | Sep 2012 | #10 | |
| TahitiNut | Sep 2012 | #11 | |
| HiPointDem | Sep 2012 | #13 | |
| SickOfTheOnePct | Sep 2012 | #14 | |
| TahitiNut | Sep 2012 | #17 | |
| SickOfTheOnePct | Sep 2012 | #27 | |
| TahitiNut | Sep 2012 | #28 | |
| SickOfTheOnePct | Sep 2012 | #29 | |
| 99Forever | Sep 2012 | #15 | |
| madokie | Sep 2012 | #18 | |
| TahitiNut | Sep 2012 | #19 | |
| Ganja Ninja | Sep 2012 | #21 | |
| TahitiNut | Sep 2012 | #24 | |
| sendero | Sep 2012 | #22 | |
| TahitiNut | Sep 2012 | #23 | |
| Ganja Ninja | Sep 2012 | #26 | |
| mick063 | Sep 2012 | #25 |
Response to TahitiNut (Original post)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:24 PM
liberal N proud (43,742 posts)
1. If the rich wanted a lower tax rate, they would create those jobs for which they are called creators
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I get it.
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Response to TahitiNut (Original post)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:25 PM
tk2kewl (12,648 posts)
2. apply it to capital gains too
Response to tk2kewl (Reply #2)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 06:57 PM
TahitiNut (71,568 posts)
12. Without getting too wonkish, I'd tie the long-term capital gains tax rate to the Gini Coefficient.
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The Gini Coefficient (also called the Gini Index) is a measure of equitable distribution, usually used in relation to Income Distribution. It ranges from zero (0) to one (1.00) where zero is perfectly equal distribution and one is a distribution where a single person gets everything and everyone else gets nothing.
The Gini Coefficient of Income Distribution in the U.S. is currently around 0.47, which is the highest (most inequitable) it's been since we first gathered the data. It seems to me that the income tax on realized long-term capital gains could be tied to the Gini Coefficient ... at, say. 0.10 less than the measure in the year preceding the tax year. Thus, those with the GREATEST incentive to ensure that we have equitable incomes in this country would be those with the most to lose in capital gains. This might be a decent way to peg the corporate tax rate as well. Needless to say, I'm a "systems wonk" ... and like feedback loops and self-correcting systems. I tend to look for ways to create gross incentivization mechanisms ... and tend to eschew the fad du jour. |
Response to TahitiNut (Reply #12)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 07:23 PM
tk2kewl (12,648 posts)
16. very cool idea
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i hadn't heard the idea of tying capital gains tax to the gini coefficient
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Response to TahitiNut (Original post)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:26 PM
phleshdef (8,294 posts)
3. This is one of the greatest ideas I've heard in awhile.
Response to TahitiNut (Original post)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:30 PM
jberryhill (29,893 posts)
4. That's brilliant
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That is a really good idea. Given that wages paid by businesses are themselves tax deductions, this really does take the wind out of that sail. |
Response to TahitiNut (Original post)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:38 PM
ck4829 (15,329 posts)
5. Love it
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This could solve the employer-employee and applicant disconnect IMHO.
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Response to TahitiNut (Original post)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:41 PM
reformist2 (4,081 posts)
6. Yes! We need to incentivize those lazy 1%-ers!
Response to TahitiNut (Original post)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:49 PM
Cali_Democrat (14,680 posts)
7. K&R for this great idea!
Response to TahitiNut (Original post)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:50 PM
librechik (25,019 posts)
8. brilliant
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now we need a responsible government to make it happen
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Response to TahitiNut (Original post)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:52 PM
Hamlette (11,845 posts)
9. this is actually a pretty good idea. Shows how stupid their argument is. n/t
Response to TahitiNut (Original post)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 02:02 PM
HooptieWagon (6,339 posts)
10. What a great idea!
Response to TahitiNut (Original post)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:49 PM
TahitiNut (71,568 posts)
11. (Wow) It seemed like a good idea to me ... but I never know on DU.
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I'm a bit surprised at the uniformly positive reactions. Where did the curmudgeons go?
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Response to TahitiNut (Original post)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 07:00 PM
HiPointDem (17,071 posts)
13. ooh, good idea.
Response to TahitiNut (Original post)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 07:04 PM
SickOfTheOnePct (1,796 posts)
14. Not a bad idea on its face
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But what about businesses that just don't need more employees? Will they be forced to hire people whether they have work for them to do or not or face the higher rate?
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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #14)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 08:53 PM
TahitiNut (71,568 posts)
17. I fail to see how any business would be "FORCED" to do anything in particular.
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... except pay income taxes. But that's hardly a change ... for most.
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Response to TahitiNut (Reply #17)
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 04:27 PM
SickOfTheOnePct (1,796 posts)
27. Fair enough, let me rephrase
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If a business owner doesn't need any more employees, would the only choices be a) either hire someone, even though they're not needed, or b) pay the higher tax?
I don't see the point of punishing, through a higher tax rate, someone that isn't hiring because they don't have any work for them to do. |
Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #27)
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 07:56 PM
TahitiNut (71,568 posts)
28. Ah! Let me be clear... EVERYONE would pay the same tax rates just as now.
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Last edited Thu Sep 20, 2012, 07:57 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) The top marginal tax rate would apply to everyone earning over the $370,000 (or so) marginal income level. The notion that those are the "job creators" is a collective ascription, not an individual mandate.
In other words, it's not applied lie a "deduction" or "exemption" on any individual tax return. In my view, the tax rate incentive would actually operate in those cases where decisions are close ... hire or not, buy American or foreign, etc. In effect, it's a wallet-based "patriotism" ... but it ALSO tends to emphasize the need to balance the load on those who think they can profit from attacking the working class. |
Response to TahitiNut (Reply #28)
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 07:59 PM
SickOfTheOnePct (1,796 posts)
29. Got it, thanks for the clarification! n/t
Response to TahitiNut (Original post)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 07:05 PM
99Forever (5,168 posts)
15. I like it.
Response to TahitiNut (Original post)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 08:56 PM
madokie (36,621 posts)
18. Good idea
Response to madokie (Reply #18)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 09:00 PM
TahitiNut (71,568 posts)
19. (lol) What's happened to DU?
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Heck, even I could post something to the effect of "Good luck getting ANYTHING sane passed in the Rich Man's Congress!!"
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Response to TahitiNut (Original post)
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 07:37 AM
Ganja Ninja (15,714 posts)
21. I proposed this before.
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Set the base rate at 35% and then for every point the unemployment rate is over 5% the tax rate for the top 1% goes up 3%.
So if the unemployment rate is 9% the tax rate for the top 1% would figure like this; 9% - 5% = 4% 4 X 3 = 12 35% + 12% = 47% Having a tax rate linked to the unemployment rate would also encourage legislation for things like, a shorter work week, more vacation time, paid leaves, and just about anything that would keep people listed as employed. The one catch is to have an honest and accurate figure of the unemployment rate. |
Response to Ganja Ninja (Reply #21)
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 12:29 PM
TahitiNut (71,568 posts)
24. The proposal only requires that the methodology for determining the unemployment rate is CONSISTENT.
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The proposal actually only relies on CHANGES to the unemployment rate. It is, therefore, only necessary that any change to the methodology be implemented IN PARALLEL to the unchanged methodology for a few quarters (for perhaps a year or so) in order to preserve the valid baseline of CHANGES.
I'm actually fairly confident in the current methodology and its representation of CHANGE ... i.e. increases and decreases in the "real" unemployment rate. The C.E.S. (from which employment is calculated) and the C.P.S. (from which unemployment is calculated) are fairly consistent ... and involve such large samples that the overall rates just aren't subject to any material statistical error. |
Response to TahitiNut (Original post)
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 07:44 AM
sendero (25,000 posts)
22. The idea that tax cuts create jobs is a perfect..
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... example of the Big Lie. But there are cracks in the dam as more and more people notice that it hasn't worked for TEN FUCKING YEARS and it is not going to work EVER.
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Response to sendero (Reply #22)
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 12:18 PM
TahitiNut (71,568 posts)
23. That's why I suggest that Jobs should create tax cuts ... legislatively.
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All the right-winger "supply-sider" morons should have NOTHING to complain about IF they wish to preserve the fiction that the two are linked causally. Of course, they'd run from the proposal like vampires from holy water ... hypocrites are like that.
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Response to TahitiNut (Reply #23)
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 01:21 PM
Ganja Ninja (15,714 posts)
26. Yup that's the idea.
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Put the "Job Creators" on an incentive program. Invest in America and keep American's employed and you'll have low taxes. Invest in some other country, stash your cash in offshore banks and show no loyalty to your country, then get ready to pay through the nose.
Make them put their money where their mouth is. |
Response to TahitiNut (Original post)
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 12:44 PM
mick063 (1,077 posts)
25. brilliant
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Not that crazy of an idea. Send it to your congressman.
Force them to abide by supply side economics. |

