Sat Sep 15, 2012, 11:41 AM

zellie (437 posts)

So , when am I allowed to be offended?

Seems that worldwide only one group can be offended by free speech.

I thought I should be offended when 9/11 happened but I was wrong.

I thought I should be offended when Daniel Pearl was BEHEADED but I was wrong.

I thought I should be offended when these 4 Americans were killed when trying to good work but apparently I was wrong.

Nope , apparently I should offended because some nutcase makes a rediculous movie about Islam.

Maybe if he made a movie about Christians, Jews,Hindus or Buddhists then that's ok.

We haven't learned our lesson. We have to omit one group from any freedom of speech.

Because any slight will immediately lead to death and destruction.

And the best part is it appears that we have to guess what will set them off.

Maybe there is no slight...maybe any excuse to cause death and destruction is good enough and its just really about hate. I wonder why yesterday they attacked the German consulate...I guess any "western" consulate wil do.(can I be offended by that?)

So , since anything the west does can be perceived to cause people to be "offended" , I guess we should learn our lesson , that "don't upset us or we'll riot and occasionally kill your people."

Yes, with that kind of threat we should give up our freedom of speech.

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138 replies	Author	Time	Post
So , when am I allowed to be offended? (Original post)	zellie	Sep 2012	OP
A lot of people were offended by 9/11	CJCRANE	Sep 2012	#1
K&R	Odin2005	Sep 2012	#2
How were you wrong to be offended by 9/11, Pearl's beheading, 4 killed Americans, etc? What is this	uppityperson	Sep 2012	#3
No , it's about freedom of speech.	zellie	Sep 2012	#7
What? Were 9/11, Pearl's beheading, etc "freedom of speech"? Please clarify and use more words	uppityperson	Sep 2012	#9
That has to do with whether other people	zellie	Sep 2012	#14
I think you are saying we must be beware of "them", the muslims will get offended and kill	uppityperson	Sep 2012	#24
Bet OP sees no reason for anyone if Afghanistan	treestar	Sep 2012	#41
"Getting" offensive? nt	TBF	Sep 2012	#51
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh	malaise	Sep 2012	#105
I don't really want to get involved in this fight...	Whiskeytide	Sep 2012	#126
Murders, mass or singular, are not "freedom of speech" issues.	uppityperson	Sep 2012	#130
Like I said...	Whiskeytide	Sep 2012	#133
So why should "they" get offended by our bombings by planes and drones? It is just "speech".	uppityperson	Sep 2012	#134
Have you been arrested by any government officials for practicing your First Amendment rights?	sarge43	Sep 2012	#37
ding ding ding... You got it.	hlthe2b	Sep 2012	#102
This message was self-deleted by its author	bupkus	Sep 2012	#4
+1	proverbialwisdom	Sep 2012	#36
+1000	regnaD kciN	Sep 2012	#91
I dont see them as evil at all	Missycim	Sep 2012	#124
No my point is....	zellie	Sep 2012	#40
What rights? Dropping bombs on them in the name of "national security"?	uppityperson	Sep 2012	#42
Do you think anyone in Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan should be offended	sabrina 1	Sep 2012	#67
You've reduced me to tears; Top ten post EVER on DU! Thank you Sabrina!!! N/T	Melinda	Sep 2012	#106
+1000 Thank you, sabrina!	countryjake	Sep 2012	#108
This message was self-deleted by its author	bupkus	Sep 2012	#114
Really?	abelenkpe	Sep 2012	#77
How come you are not fighting the AFA?	RandiFan1290	Sep 2012	#81
oh poor wittle you. no one is asking you to give up your rights, genius.	cali	Sep 2012	#85
This message was self-deleted by its author	bupkus	Sep 2012	#92
EXACTLY how I read it, too. eom	TransitJohn	Sep 2012	#46
word	frylock	Sep 2012	#59
A question - who are the four killed in your fourth line? Thanks. nt	Mnemosyne	Sep 2012	#5
Those at the Libyan embassy	B2G	Sep 2012	#21
Thanks. Welcome to DU! nt	Mnemosyne	Sep 2012	#118
I get offended whenever I find something I consider offensive.	Autumn	Sep 2012	#6
^this^	frylock	Sep 2012	#64
+1! NT	BarackTheVote	Sep 2012	#96
You can be offended as often as you like.	Warren Stupidity	Sep 2012	#8
There oughta be a smilie for that...	countryjake	Sep 2012	#109
Who's stopping you? Seriously. Who's stopping you?	nolabear	Sep 2012	#10
Exactly, There must be some new anti free speech law, I'm not aware about.	bahrbearian	Sep 2012	#82
I'm offended that George Bush and Dick Cheney are not in prison for murder.	Lint Head	Sep 2012	#11
Who's trying to take away your right to be offended?	lunatica	Sep 2012	#12
+1	hedgehog	Sep 2012	#76
Be offended all you want. WTF?	Lex	Sep 2012	#13
If the folks to which you refer were educated by something other than state run media, they	lonestarnot	Sep 2012	#15
In about 4 minutes but you can only be offended for about 30 seconds	justiceischeap	Sep 2012	#16
Well, that's all good and fine, BUT...	liberalmuse	Sep 2012	#17
Best reply so far. Thanks.	Scuba	Sep 2012	#27
"If you knowingly rile up a crowd, you share in the guilt of the crowds actions?"	hughee99	Sep 2012	#33
the sad thing	MrDiaz	Sep 2012	#48
the muslim rioters assisted the injured and fought back the small attacking force..	frylock	Sep 2012	#66
People here understand cause and effect.	Zoeisright	Sep 2012	#111
So, get busy	RandiFan1290	Sep 2012	#121
i wasn't	MrDiaz	Sep 2012	#122
The easy example is yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre -	TBF	Sep 2012	#55
Well said.	Blue_In_AK	Sep 2012	#97
I am offended when Religious Nuts of any kind try to ignite holy wars with each other.	Lex	Sep 2012	#18
Maybe if everyone would stop offending and being offended.....	Avalux	Sep 2012	#19
You are right! This is why RWJ made this video! We should all get along!	snooper2	Sep 2012	#26
What made you decide you were wrong to be offended in any of those cases	fishwax	Sep 2012	#20
Sounds Faux News-ish.	Lex	Sep 2012	#32
indeed	fishwax	Sep 2012	#38
Twice on a Tuesday	CJCRANE	Sep 2012	#22
I'm offended by the idiocy of this post. nt	Guy Whitey Corngood	Sep 2012	#23
where's the damn unrec button when you really need it?	cali	Sep 2012	#25
This is what I felt like writing upthread, thank you.	uppityperson	Sep 2012	#30
Stop it.	Jennicut	Sep 2012	#35
Very well put.	Gidney N Cloyd	Sep 2012	#49
Go ahead, be offended	nadinbrzezinski	Sep 2012	#28
And I keep getting told, "Dogwhistles? What dogwhistles?"	Scootaloo	Sep 2012	#29
Islamic extremists are the scum that have risen to the top in the melting pot of fairy tales. nt	Comrade_McKenzie	Sep 2012	#31
Being offended is natural. Reacting stupidly...	gulliver	Sep 2012	#34
Nicely said!	Moonwalk	Sep 2012	#71
Entirely false	treestar	Sep 2012	#39
Free speech? According to Ezra Klein: 'Libya attack underscores drone use'	proverbialwisdom	Sep 2012	#43
Why are you asking permission before exercising your Constitutional freedoms?	porphyrian	Sep 2012	#44
I agree with you...but does that mean..	zellie	Sep 2012	#47
Are we allowed to yell "FIRE" even if there isn't one???? Yes. However...	Walk away	Sep 2012	#65
Some Americans do. Most people just never see them.	porphyrian	Sep 2012	#69
If we do it with hate and with the intention of hurting and marginalizing	sabrina 1	Sep 2012	#115
There was no guesswork involved here.	quaker bill	Sep 2012	#45
You can be offended anytime you feel like it...	ljm2002	Sep 2012	#50
"them"? Care to clarify? nt	TBF	Sep 2012	#52
Yes... Them that went rioting...	zellie	Sep 2012	#57
"them that went rioting"?	TBF	Sep 2012	#60
That is not what they rioted about. It isn't that simple. Seriously, it isn't.	uppityperson	Sep 2012	#61
Thank you...	zellie	Sep 2012	#72
All you got out of that post was the crusades? Are you just messing with us?	uppityperson	Sep 2012	#84
That I agree with.	zellie	Sep 2012	#87
Thank you for clarifying you are just messing with us. Or did you mean you haven't read/heard why	uppityperson	Sep 2012	#89
You Should Be Offended When Anybody Violates The Norms Of Human Decency	DemocratSinceBirth	Sep 2012	#53
This is a rotten OP festering with bigotry	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2012	#54
Thank you -	TBF	Sep 2012	#62
No, they are bound by the rules.	uppityperson	Sep 2012	#68
No one limits your offense, there are big issues with how it is reacted to.	TheKentuckian	Sep 2012	#56
you can be offended once you start developing rational thought	frylock	Sep 2012	#58
Seems like a black and white view	Mz Pip	Sep 2012	#63
" the people rioting and killing are crazy" ?	zellie	Sep 2012	#75
This amendment (text included)? Who is saying you need to?	uppityperson	Sep 2012	#86
I wasn't implying that you should	Mz Pip	Sep 2012	#99
Has anyone asked you to?	gollygee	Sep 2012	#100
It's their "fringe" that is doing this in	fredamae	Sep 2012	#70
Last I looked everyone was so offended by 9/11 that we got involved in two wars...	Moonwalk	Sep 2012	#73
No we don't have to give up freedom of speech	abelenkpe	Sep 2012	#74
The offenders offended over one billion people because of lies, ridicule, hatred and perversion of	julian09	Sep 2012	#93
It's not anyone's being offended, but the SELECTIVITY of being "offended" that	patrice	Sep 2012	#78
I wasn't aware that the 9//11 attacks were an act of free speech. Funny, I always	kestrel91316	Sep 2012	#79
You just wrote an entire OP without naming or saying who's stopping you from being offended.	JaneyVee	Sep 2012	#80
This is a strawman argument, and not a very good one n/t	arcane1	Sep 2012	#83
When someone is pissing on your bridge?	Tom Ripley	Sep 2012	#88
You're allowed to be offended by whatever you want. Who's stopping you?	Chorophyll	Sep 2012	#90
You can be offended all goddam day.	Iggo	Sep 2012	#94
Being offended IMO is largely a matter of choice	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#95
baloney & bs. that's my freedom of speech, it doesn't constitute a denial of yours.	HiPointDem	Sep 2012	#98
Spam deleted by Hassin Bin Sober (MIR Team)	kolayamilya	Sep 2012	#101
Complaints	2on2u	Sep 2012	#103
Somewhere there is a bridge missing a................................................... nt	rbrnmw	Sep 2012	#104
you're allowed to be offended any time you want	ibegurpard	Sep 2012	#107
Who the hell says you can't be "offended"??	Zoeisright	Sep 2012	#110
I agree - no sacred cows	aint_no_life_nowhere	Sep 2012	#112
I am offended by your post	RobertEarl	Sep 2012	#113
You can be offended any time you want.	jeff47	Sep 2012	#116
My Religion Gets Insulted Every Day	AnnieBW	Sep 2012	#117
Do you really want to go down that road?	lapislzi	Sep 2012	#129
Ridiculous.	GeorgeGist	Sep 2012	#119
Oh, is this what the 'bigotry' poll is about?	renie408	Sep 2012	#120
Come to DU!	WinkyDink	Sep 2012	#123
No guesses are necessary. merely apply common sense...	LanternWaste	Sep 2012	#125
What are you trying to say?	Dyedinthewoolliberal	Sep 2012	#127
Be offended whenever the fuck you like.	lapislzi	Sep 2012	#128
I'm curious. Were you offended when we needlessly slaughtered tens of thousands of people in Iraq?	Arugula Latte	Sep 2012	#131
Hairballs really gross me out.	Solly Mack	Sep 2012	#132
No Hairballs Is Perfect	HangOnKids	Sep 2012	#135
Alas. Another poor downtrodden American cries out from	Tsiyu	Sep 2012	#136
You have every right to be offended by terrorists' actions.	Jamastiene	Sep 2012	#137
The problem with all that outrage on so many sides is that solves	Skidmore	Sep 2012	#138

Response to zellie (Original post)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 11:43 AM

CJCRANE (13,428 posts)

1. A lot of people were offended by 9/11

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and Iraq, Afghanistan and Bin Laden suffered the consequences of that.

And the people who carried out the latest attacks will be brought to justice too.

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Response to zellie (Original post)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 11:46 AM

Odin2005 (48,255 posts)

2. K&R

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Response to zellie (Original post)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 11:47 AM

uppityperson (74,794 posts)

3. How were you wrong to be offended by 9/11, Pearl's beheading, 4 killed Americans, etc? What is this

about? It seems to be a screed against "the muslims", against "them". Please clarify. Thank you.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #3)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 11:52 AM

zellie (437 posts)

7. No , it's about freedom of speech.

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Response to zellie (Reply #7)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 11:53 AM

uppityperson (74,794 posts)

9. What? Were 9/11, Pearl's beheading, etc "freedom of speech"? Please clarify and use more words

to explain since I am not the only one wondering about this. Thank you.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #9)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 11:57 AM

zellie (437 posts)

14. That has to do with whether other people

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can be offended.

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Response to zellie (Reply #14)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 12:03 PM

uppityperson (74,794 posts)

24. I think you are saying we must be beware of "them", the muslims will get offended and kill

Americans. That "them", the muslims are the only people in the world to get a pass, that they can get offended by anything, riot and kill with impunity? Is this right? Still trying to understand what you mean.

Or do you mean 9/11 was "free speech" that for some reason you can not be offended by?

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #24)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 12:25 PM

treestar (41,423 posts)

41. Bet OP sees no reason for anyone if Afghanistan

to have a right to be offended by being attacked by drones.

This kind of thing perpetuates it all. The Israeli/Muslim exchange of offense seems like it will go on forever.

Though when they were able to settle things in Northern Ireland, it gave hope. People need to quit this back and forth, being the victim and only retaliating and trying to convince us the other side is evil while they are good. It's getting offensive.

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Response to treestar (Reply #41)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 12:42 PM

TBF (18,431 posts)

51. "Getting" offensive? nt

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Response to treestar (Reply #41)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 03:52 PM

malaise (107,012 posts)

105. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Their (those nasty brown Muslims) deaths don't count

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #9)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 10:52 AM

Whiskeytide (509 posts)

126. I don't really want to get involved in this fight...

... but I think a pretty good argument can be made that the people who carried out 9/11, Pearl's televised murder, etc... did, in fact, intend a message to be conveyed by their actions. Such events are seldom about actually killing the people killed. They are much more about the impact on those that witness the killing.

That probably makes it "speech" from their perspective, however irrational and barbaric our culture may find it to be. So I think the OP has made a legitimate comparison, even if the point may be a little less clear.

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