Romney can’t win it. But he can steal it.

[Cyrano]

Having shown himself to be a thoughtless, incoherent ass, I don’t believe that anyone would vote for Romney except for the lunatic fringe and the ultra rich.

This election should be a blowout. But as we saw in 2000 when Bush was appointed, and in 2004 when Ohio was stolen, Republicans don’t require sufficient votes to occupy the White House.

The pundits keep focusing on the polls and Romney’s incompetence. But IMO voter suppression tactics and rigged voting machines make the polls meaningless.

Karl Rove, the Koch Brothers and many other thugs are not about to give up. I fear there’s a realistic chance that Romney/Ryan could end up “winning.” And were this to happen, we would be living in Teabagville and ruled by mentally unstable people.

[elleng]

1. I agree, unfortunately.

[riverbendviewgal]

2. So true

There must be a way to ensure those electronic machines are not hacked.

and help people getting ID ....Get big informed people out there on voting day to ensure no one is intimidated.

Get a whole slew of lawyers working on voter id laws and for the count.

Gather up your neighbors and hold events...and support your local and state officials.

write to the editors of your newspapers.

I realize some of this can be dangerous to yourselves in a highly red state. May you be protected by the higher spirits, your god or whatever you believe in.

[Cyrano]

7. Here in Florida, the state is

almost evenly divided. National elections here are often decided by three counties - Palm Beach, Broward, and Miami-Dade - which usually go Democratic.

Recounts of the 2000 election in Palm Beach County show that we should have had a President Gore. But Scalia et. al. made sure that didn't happen.

The Dems here have a good ground game. I only hope it's good enough. We need a total blowout for President Obama to make sure it can't be stolen again.

[KaryninMiami]

9. It's all about the turnout.

Without a 5-7% margin, we loose.

[louis-t]

36. Or 'lose'.

Sorry, pet peeve.

[KaryninMiami]

8. Voting machines can be made verifiable

But as of today, no state is doing it. And since only the manufacturers' employees have access to the source codes, and since ALL of the companies that manufacture these machines have a political agenda (remember Wally Odell of Diebold promising to bring in Ohio for Bush?)-we can and should anticipate a 1-3% skim of Democratic votes from most districts. That's why we need a HUGE turnout. Because they can and they Will cheat- any way they can. It's a given.

[redwhiteblue]

23. So True

I have been worrying about those very things and I know Obama would win in a landslide if this were an honest election.Remember the recall Scott Walker? He should have been beaten but he wasn't. Here is an added worry for you. Some people are really sharp at changing computer numbers and you can't even tell they did it. I always use a paper ballot but I suppose there are ways to cheat on that too. Good luck . I pray that we win!!!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

28. There is. Paper ballots. nt

[lunatica]

3. The world would be a more dangerous place too

And we would be the ones causing that danger. Romney wants a war and he's actively poking sticks at other countries in his effort to create one.

[Cyrano]

14. Yep. Romney would be Teabagger puppet.

I truly believe the foreign policy agenda of the lunatics is to roll up our shores and bomb anyone, anyone, who pisses us off.

And those who think they'd be restrained by more "moderate" Republicans should take a look at the current congress. With a puppet in the White House, there would be nothing to stop them from raising the curtain on what could only be called World War III. (I never thought I'd make a statement that extreme until I saw just how extreme The American Talibans are.)

[Avalux]

4. That is my worst fear.

If it happens, what will people do about it? We'll know the election was stolen, that there's no way in hell Romney won legitimately, but what will we do?

There will be no way to prove it was stolen. That's the genius of these electronic systems they've put in place. No way to prove votes are changed, deleted, we will have no recourse.

[graham4anything]

5. no, because the people who can do what happened in 2000, want Jeb in 2016 not Mitt

that is why

and money didn't help Mittens best friend Meg Whitman vs. no money Jerry Brown in California.

[Booster]

12. Rmoney made the statement that he would be satisfied being a 1 term President.

I think they will try and steal the election then Rmoney will not run again and they will run Jeb. Rmoney has his eye on some money that is vulnerable in our government, like the 3 trillion that the Pentagon "lost" and the 8 billion in cash on pallets in Iraq. Somebody took all that money and EVERYBODY on both sides said "oh, well, shit happens". WTF Rmoney has already said he will give another 3 trillion to the Pentagon even tho they said they don't need it. He already has his offshore accts ready and he is just too desperate to become President. You can bet he wants to steal money because he doesn't care about this country or the people in it.

[graham4anything]

16. you forgot one thing- the VP

would then be the #1 for 2016 not jeb

they need both Mitt to lose bad, and the tea party including Ryan to look even worse, so that Jeb tries from being a "sane" republican.

bush's are patient people. They think long term not shortterm.

Mitt could make 100s of millions starting Nov.9 after his loss. He don't need the Koch's money to do that.

and Rove works for the Bush's, a lifetime member. He wants Jeb then the next generation Bush after that.

it will be easiest to secure the nomination for them if Mitt loses and loses really big time.
There won't even be a race then in the republican party. All the others will be playing for veep or fringe candidate in 2016.

(imho).

[rbrnmw]

30. I agree I get the feeling Karl Rove

doesn't really like Mitt Romney

[graham4anything]

18. a second thing that is forgotten is

how great President Obama is at politics

he is not John Kerry, Al Gore or Jimmy Carter

he took the best parts of all of them, and incorporated the single greatest politician of all time, even better than Bill Clinton

President Obama is a winner and strong.
Not weak.

and his fans are rabid fans, in that they will stand and vote and do what it takes to insure he wins.

whereas Kerry and Gore, well, too many people just didn't care so it was close.

This race is not even close, its a landslide Obama victory, only thing we don't know is how many seats we win in the house and senate.

That phrase "winner does what a loser don't" and Obama is the winner.

[outsideworld]

24. Oh

How I wish I shared your optimism

[graham4anything]

37. hold on for 52 more days...

and hope its a very early night for the landslide I expect (or just any victory).

We should know the signs quickly, especially if Ohio is a bigger victory for Obama.
And it called by say 11pm eastern officially at 270plus.

And I do think the media (like hopefully MSNBC will not be timid should it come to an early calling and I myself think even if people know Obama won, they will still vote to help the rest of the local tickets win).

People like to pile on and vote for a winner.

[ProSense]

6. This is why

we should watch the polls.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021336015

Try justifying how a candidate falling in the polls as a result of an imploding campaign, and when Democratic enthusiasm is climbing, can win.

Anything is possible, but not everything is plausible.

[liberal N proud]

10. I honestly believe that is their plan

The keep touting polls that claim the race to be close when it isn't

They have all the players in place, republican SOS in key states like Florida and Ohio and top it all off with voter purges and restrictions, you have the recipe for voter fraud and the will steal it.

The only way we can counter is to get every eligible voter out to the polls.

[TahitiNut]

17. I agree. They're giving me all the indications that's their plan.

Nothing else makes sense.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

29. 1. No pres. campaign resigns. 2. The media pump the horse race aspect. nt

[Kablooie]

45. This is their only chance to win the only thing that matters to them.

So I believe there ais a lot of behind the scene strategy not related to selling a political message but plotting an illegal coup.

If Romney doesn't win at first I would expect quite a few bags of overlooked ballots to be discovered and many legal challenges to ballot counts to be waged.

It's going to be ugly.

[salinen]

11. The lunatic fringe

has become a major political party in Amerikkka. I keep running into what appear to be normal folk who spout the crap from Fox. Insanity is stronger than Sanity!

[lonestarnot]

13. This is also my concern.

[porphyrian]

15. Too much money for them not to try. Watch them closely. n/t

[davidthegnome]

19. Fool me once...

well, you know how it goes.

It is possible that Mitt Romney could steal it, yes. What happened in 2000 and in 2004 proves that elections can indeed be stolen if you have enough money and little enough integrity to do so.

I do wonder though, how we would react if 2012 was stolen? I remember the protests of 2000, I remember the angry commentators, I remember various books written, numerous people talking at length about the failure of our democracy. I remember a generation that suddenly started caring about politics more than ever before. I was 16 in 2000. The years since I think, have hardened a lot of us. There are quite a lot of very fanatic democrats and quite a lot of very fanatic republicans.

So where would it lead us? What would our reaction be? Or - and this is also important... what would the conservative reaction be to an Obama victory? Might they accuse him of stealing the election? It wouldn't surprise me if they did. While I have no crystal ball with with to predict the future with any certainty, I am afraid that the divide is becoming too great for us to maintain anything even resembling a peaceful democracy. Sooner or later, if we can't find a way to co-exist, to work together despite our differences... then I suspect there may in time be an armed conflict that makes our civil war look like a skirmish.

All that said... I will not live in Teabagville, but nor would I want to live in OccupyLand. If I must, I'll leave for a Nation that still maintains some measure of sanity. We've been slowly losing ours for years.

[Faygo Kid]

20. Yep, my thoughts exactly.

Florida 2000, Ohio 2004, and now voter intimidation. That's the only way Rmoney can win this race, and he will do all he can to cheat and pull it off.

[VPStoltz]

21. And that friends, is why we must do everything we can to support get out the vote in I.D. states.

[zeemike]

22. The polls are not meaningless.

So if you see the polls start to get close and they say it is a tossup that is the tell...the fix is in.
they have done it before and they will do it again if they get the chance...and their chance will come if the turnout is low enough to make it easy....and they may be so bold as to steal it even if the turnout is heavy is they feel confident in the press buying it all.
Watch what happens in October...the surprise may be the device they use to explain the polls getting close.

[Strelnikov_]

26. Agree

And the Romney 'Seabiscuit' narrative will aid in marketing of the theft. Always has.

I fully expect a President Romney in 2013.

[INdemo]

31. There will be thousands of attorneys on the ground to insure the votes cast

are counted..So while we think,or are lead to believe nothing has been done and its the status quo..Well I think the Obama campaign and the DNC have safeguards in place...Keep in mind in 2004 McAuliffe was DNC chaiman and he rreally didnt push a recount or investigation into the Ohio fiasco because he was thinking about 2008 and leaving it open for Hillary..If we would have had a different DNC chairman..someone that would have agressively protested the Ohio outcome Kerry would have been sworn in..tell me Im crazy but there are others that would agree..

[zeemike]

34. I would feel better if they had 1000 computer experts.

Cause they now have the ability to steal it in the micro chip....and who can say what goes on in there.

[INdemo]

41. Oh how true....

[hue]

43. Yes this is correct. They--the puppet masters have already purchased the press tho--

[hue]

25. This is it in a nutshell!!

"Karl Rove, the Koch Brothers and many other thugs are not about to give up." So very true!!!
Numbers that favor President Obama and other Dem candidates just make it harder for the Repuke machine to cover up their multitude of tactics for stealing the elections. They like the polls to give the impression that "it's too close to call". That way they have the ability to tweak the numbers in their favor any which way they can.

We must never let our vigilance down on any front! The Repukes vowed that President Obama would serve only one term and they were absolutely serious! The good polling numbers that we see should not be s signal for us to relax. Even if the President wins all the debates it means nothing to puppet masters. Walker clearly lost his debates with Barrett but it didn't affect the outcome of the first and recall elections at all.

[man4allcats]

27. Thank you for this post.

I see so many people taking a President O. win for granted, and it just amazes me. Have they so soon forgotten what happened in 2000 and 2004 that resulted in a dangerous semi-literate halfwit spending eight years in the White House? Such short-sighted naivete is just incredible!

[graham4anything]

38. Obama is better than Kerry and Gore as a politician

it is why he will not be beaten.

And 2012 has the advantage of twitter and the net

whereas the dems were blindsided in 2000(the phony Brooks brother riot would have been called as such seconds after it happened had now been then (much like the lies of a riot in Katrina was exposed by Anderson Cooper).

and Bush was ahead of Kerry most of the race and in the end, and Kerry was about as loveable as Mitt is(which is why it was so surprising they nominated Mitt in the first place).

advantage Obama in every way in 2012.

Naive is to think Obama is naive. But then people have not thought he could do it from day one and they have been mistaken each and every time. (and its insulting to be name called by the way, which saying I am naive is).

And we got Eric Holder watching our back, which we did not have in 2004 either.

And again, Rove and the boys work for the Bush's. They dislike Mitt and Ryan and need them repudiated so its left open for Jeb.

[man4allcats]

40. I hope you're right

because if you're not, we're in for something pretty ugly.

[KauaiK]

32. It's who COUNTS the votes

I have been saying for months its not who casts the votes its who COUNTS the vote. Ohio, Florida, Texas and Pennsylvania have clearly demonstrated they will skew voting rights and the count in favor of Mittens. Do NOT underestamte Rove, the Koch Bros, Adelson and their money.

Does anyone else think that nuetral observers with cameras should be witness to the count??

[Fgiriun]

33. Watch the banks

What is most striking about this election is how the banks are heavily contributing to republicans. Voter turnout will definitely be the key.

[mindwalker_i]

35. that, actually, would be great, IF Obama has a big lead

It would really show how corrupted the system is and might cause "action."

[Jack Rabbit]

39. I guess it's time to bring this up again

Please click here.

In 2000, we acquiesced to the theft of the White House. The nation paid dearly for our acquiescence.

The consequences of acquiescing to a stolen election in 2012 would probably be even more dire than they were in 2000. Moreover, since democracy is not for sale, there is no difference between buying an election and stealing it. Let that stand as a warning to the Koch brothers that whether the election goes to Romney as a result of a heavy influx of cash to influence voters or as a result of voters being denied access to the polls through ALEC-produced legislation, that election will not be viewed as legitimate. We will engage in a campaign of civil disobedience with the intention of making it impossible for the Romney administration to govern.

The will of the people is sacrosanct and must not be subverted by a cabal of right wing billionaires intent on defrauding the public in the guise of the free market without fear of consequences.

[hue]

42. Beautifully written!! ...and this is going on at many levels!!

[M_M]

44. It's a Republican Tradition!