Thu Sep 13, 2012, 08:43 AM
Laurajr (223 posts)
Nonpublic weird beliefs of mormons
http://www.lifeaftermormonism.net/profiles/blogs/101-nonpublic-or-weird-beliefs-of-mormons
I think #23 is very interesting....when the U.S. constitution hangs by a thread a Mormon will save the country....that's who Mitt thinks he is....in an interview Ann repeated several times "Mitt will save the country" # 14 Made me laugh.... the garden of Eden was really in Missouri...ha I lived there let me tell you it is no garden of Eden!
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| Laurajr | Sep 2012 | OP | |
| LiberalFighter | Sep 2012 | #1 | |
| blueamy66 | Sep 2012 | #54 | |
| xmas74 | Sep 2012 | #88 | |
| blueamy66 | Sep 2012 | #93 | |
| piratefish08 | Sep 2012 | #2 | |
| marions ghost | Sep 2012 | #5 | |
| Bluenorthwest | Sep 2012 | #6 | |
| piratefish08 | Sep 2012 | #20 | |
| DefenseLawyer | Sep 2012 | #41 | |
| smirkymonkey | Sep 2012 | #45 | |
| xmas74 | Sep 2012 | #89 | |
| Laurajr | Sep 2012 | #3 | |
| Bluenorthwest | Sep 2012 | #7 | |
| Laurajr | Sep 2012 | #31 | |
| Jim Lane | Sep 2012 | #33 | |
| Raine | Sep 2012 | #34 | |
| marions ghost | Sep 2012 | #4 | |
| boppers | Sep 2012 | #50 | |
| marions ghost | Sep 2012 | #57 | |
| WinkyDink | Sep 2012 | #69 | |
| regnaD kciN | Sep 2012 | #86 | |
| boppers | Oct 2012 | #95 | |
| AsahinaKimi | Sep 2012 | #8 | |
| JoeyT | Sep 2012 | #27 | |
| AsahinaKimi | Sep 2012 | #30 | |
| oldhippydude | Sep 2012 | #82 | |
| Tyrs WolfDaemon | Sep 2012 | #40 | |
| AsahinaKimi | Sep 2012 | #42 | |
| Tyrs WolfDaemon | Sep 2012 | #53 | |
| 2pooped2pop | Sep 2012 | #9 | |
| onethatcares | Sep 2012 | #10 | |
| el_bryanto | Sep 2012 | #11 | |
| Bluenorthwest | Sep 2012 | #12 | |
| el_bryanto | Sep 2012 | #13 | |
| Greybnk48 | Sep 2012 | #17 | |
| Bluenorthwest | Sep 2012 | #18 | |
| el_bryanto | Sep 2012 | #22 | |
| Bluenorthwest | Sep 2012 | #83 | |
| el_bryanto | Sep 2012 | #84 | |
| HillWilliam | Sep 2012 | #28 | |
| boppers | Sep 2012 | #51 | |
| Angry Dragon | Sep 2012 | #21 | |
| el_bryanto | Sep 2012 | #23 | |
| Angry Dragon | Sep 2012 | #25 | |
| braddy | Sep 2012 | #59 | |
| Angry Dragon | Sep 2012 | #60 | |
| xmas74 | Sep 2012 | #90 | |
| Panasonic | Sep 2012 | #46 | |
| eridani | Sep 2012 | #49 | |
| el_bryanto | Sep 2012 | #61 | |
| snooper2 | Sep 2012 | #62 | |
| JSK | Sep 2012 | #14 | |
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| Angry Dragon | Sep 2012 | #19 | |
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| The Midway Rebel | Sep 2012 | #35 | |
| Laurajr | Sep 2012 | #36 | |
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Response to Laurajr (Original post)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 08:54 AM
LiberalFighter (31,085 posts)
1. Sports should not be played on Sunday?
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Steve Young QB San Francisco
Mormons in the NFL 2011 Brandon Bair, DL, Chiefs, Oregon John Beck, QB, Redskins, BYU Austin Collie, WR, Colts, BYU Chris Cooley, TE, Redskins, Utah State *Christian Cox, LB, Patriots, Utah *Kevin Curtis, WR, Titans, Utah State Stewart Bradley, LB, Cardinals, Nebraska John Denney, LS, Dolphins, BYU Jonathan Fanene, DL, Bengals, Utah *Max Hall, QB, Cardinals, BYU Todd Heap, TE, Cardinals, Arizona State Chris Hoke, DL, Steelers, BYU Bryan Kehl, LB, Rams, BYU Brett Keisel, DL, Steelers, BYU Paul Kruger, DL, Ravens, Utah Spencer Larsen, FB, Broncos, Arizona Deuce Lutui, OL, Cardinals, Southern California Fili Moala, DL, Colts, Southern California *Tony Moeaki, TE, Chiefs, Iowa Haloti Ngata, DL, Ravens, Oregon Dennis Pitta, TE, Ravens, BYU Brady Poppinga, LB, Rams, BYU Sione Pouha, DT, Jets, Utah Samson Satele, C, Raiders, Hawaii Vic So’oto, LB, Packers, BYU Will Tukuafu, DT, 49ers, Oregon #Harvey Unga, RB, Bears, BYU Eric Weddle, DB, Chargers, Utah *Injured reserve #Exempt status Practice squad players Matt Asiata, RB, Vikings, Utah Stanley Havili, RB, Eagles, USC Garrett Mills, TE, Patriots, Tulsa Dallas Reynolds, OL, Eagles, BYU |
Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #1)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 02:53 AM
blueamy66 (5,584 posts)
54. My guy laughs at the Mormon churches/temples as we drive by them on our way to the sports bar on
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Last edited Sat Sep 15, 2012, 02:54 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Sunday and calls the men inside tools for being forced to be in church and not watching football.
At least Catholics have Saturday night and Sunday night masses, so as not to miss important football. Oh, and those Mormon football players.....if they get to play on Sunday, they TITHE MORE!!!!! |
Response to blueamy66 (Reply #54)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 01:30 PM
xmas74 (24,512 posts)
88. Our pastor always makes a comment about praying for the Chiefs at the end of services,
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then says "Even prayer won't help them" and goes on to release us by 11:30-plenty of time to get home and watch the start of the game.
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Response to xmas74 (Reply #88)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 05:23 PM
blueamy66 (5,584 posts)
93. Can I get an AMEN?
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Response to Laurajr (Original post)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 08:54 AM
piratefish08 (3,031 posts)
2. so you're okay with the story of paradise in the Garden, talking snakes and all.....
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the funny part is Missouri?
we're doomed. |
Response to piratefish08 (Reply #2)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 09:17 AM
marions ghost (13,951 posts)
5. You can take all that as symbolism like in the Bible
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--even the white Salamander.
It's the more concrete rules for living that are actively followed that bother me. |
Response to piratefish08 (Reply #2)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 09:17 AM
Bluenorthwest (24,194 posts)
6. I think the 'Mitt comes to save the Constitution' part is worthy of note...did you miss that bit
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when reading the OP? All you saw was Garden of Eden? Seriously? That whole 'he will save us' bit does not seem 'funny' to you?
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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #6)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 10:19 AM
piratefish08 (3,031 posts)
20. I'm an atheist. the whole 'anyone' will save us bit seems funny to me......
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people see what they want to see, believe what they want to believe and attribute the ridiculously silly shit to symbolism. like every religion. this one's just newer. |
Response to piratefish08 (Reply #2)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:42 PM
DefenseLawyer (8,399 posts)
41. Well, obviously it's not meant to be taken literally.
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It refers to any manufacturers of dairy products.
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Response to DefenseLawyer (Reply #41)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 08:55 PM
smirkymonkey (11,676 posts)
45. LOL!
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Blessed are the Greek!
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Response to piratefish08 (Reply #2)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 01:31 PM
xmas74 (24,512 posts)
89. If you saw the area of Missouri you'd understand the joke.
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It's a big joke in parts of Missouri, especially since that area is known for meth labs.
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Response to Laurajr (Original post)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 08:59 AM
Laurajr (223 posts)
3. I don't believe in the garden of Eden...Period
Response to Laurajr (Reply #3)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 09:19 AM
Bluenorthwest (24,194 posts)
7. But do you believe that Mitt has come to save the Constitution and America?
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It's nice that you don't believe in that story, but what about the rest of the OP? Why comment only on that one bit? Why not the rest of the crazy dogma?
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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #7)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 06:46 PM
Laurajr (223 posts)
31. Geesh
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I made a quick comment before I ran out the door for work and I get beat up here....friendly group thanks for the welcome
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Response to Laurajr (Reply #31)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:18 AM
Jim Lane (3,832 posts)
33. I agree with you
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You can comment on one item in a list without commenting on the others.
There's a tendency on DU (and in every other group I've ever been part of, online and in meatspace) to read too much into what people don't say. This was an example, unfortunately. DU often is a friendly group. Sometimes, though, things get a little heated. You should see what happens when someone says something good or something bad about Ralph Nader. |
Response to Laurajr (Reply #31)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:45 AM
Raine (20,177 posts)
34. People do that a lot here, don't take it
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personally. I *think* sometimes they're being sarcastic.
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Response to Laurajr (Original post)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 09:15 AM
marions ghost (13,951 posts)
4. interesting site for ex-Mormons
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I remember I had a very nice friend in school whose family was LDS. I don't know about the other stuff (seems to be a very comprehensive list) but she told me that "the moon will turn to blood" at the second coming. I realize this can be taken as symbolism rather than literally, but I remember it made a big impression on me as a kid. I was fascinated by her conviction of this as literal truth.
She also told me that her family kept a year's worth of survival food as instructed by the church. If the situation gets any worse (like if Romney gets elected) that might come in handy... I think it's fair to look at the beliefs of presidential candidates. Certainly Obama's have been delved into. It's possible that Bombney has a messianic complex fueled by doctrinal belief that a Mormon will save the country. I can imagine that is possible, given his personality. I'm familiar with and study mass psychology so I appreciate your posting this website. I also have watched "Out of Order" about the ex-Amish. It's OK to talk about this. Nothing untruthful about what is posted at this site. It seems a valid perspective. Correct me if I'm wrong about this. |
Response to marions ghost (Reply #4)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:32 PM
boppers (16,588 posts)
50. All Christians believe the moon will turn to blood. All of them.
Response to boppers (Reply #50)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 08:26 AM
marions ghost (13,951 posts)
57. OK so that's where it comes from
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--thanks.
Most Christian sects don't take it literally however. There's a lot in the Bible that's allegorical, meant to be applied in general terms, not the literal truth. The moon turning to blood is positively magical. OK the moon might turn "blood red"...but most people would say they don't think it will literally turn into blood without Harry Potter. Me, I don't believe we know if it's true or not. It remains one of the mysteries of Christian belief. I see that Mormons actually believe this literally. |
Response to boppers (Reply #50)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 10:34 AM
WinkyDink (37,083 posts)
69. The KJ Bible is known for its poetry. As in: metaphors.
Response to boppers (Reply #50)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 12:36 PM
regnaD kciN (17,427 posts)
86. Bullshit
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I just love it when atheists presume to tell me they know what I believe better than I do.
Virtually every branch of mainstream Christianity regards the book of Revelation to be a symbolic document not to be read literally. Many simply describe it as a coded message sent to Christians living under persecution, encouraging them to persevere, and using bizarre imagery to refer to current people and events, with the point being that, if it fell into the hands of the Roman authorities, they wouldn't be able to make head not tail of what it was all about. Even mainstream denominations who don't hold to the "coded message" view consider the images in the book to be symbolic rather than a literal prediction of the future. |
Response to regnaD kciN (Reply #86)
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:55 AM
boppers (16,588 posts)
95. Is the bible accurate, or not?
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Yes or no.
Your answer seems to indicate that: "Well, it's not true, and doesn't mean what is says it does, but if you believe in God, it can mean something that is true, metaphorically". Atheists don't laugh at the child who is fooled by a magic trick, they laugh at the adult who is still fooled. |
Response to Laurajr (Original post)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 09:28 AM
AsahinaKimi (18,102 posts)
8. two of them were way out there...
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66. Dinosaur fossils are to test our faith, and likely came from matter left over from past destroyed planets that were used/recycled to create Earth
88. There are people living on the moon. LINK They dress much like Quakers and they are tall, many standing seven feet tall or more. One day we will send missionaries to teach them the gospel. There are also people living on the sun. Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, p. 217 people living on the sun? Lets see...the sun's surface temperature is 5,500 °C. But, let me guess, they only come out at night. |
Response to AsahinaKimi (Reply #8)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 11:10 AM
JoeyT (4,549 posts)
27. People living on the moon/sun is pretty crazy.
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Seems like we might have found those moon people when we were up there.
The other, that fossils are created to test the faith of believers or just plain put there by Satan used to be mainstream creationist thought. Now mainstream creationist thought (At least the young earth version: The most common one among the general population.) is that T-Rex and Spinosaurus lived at the same time as humans, but it's ok because they were vegetarians. The huge scary pointed teeth were for cracking coconuts, which is why the story of Moses leading his people around didn't read like a Jurassic Park/Bible crossover fanfic. |
Response to JoeyT (Reply #27)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 05:01 PM
AsahinaKimi (18,102 posts)
30. heh...
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He probably hated star wars too!
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Response to JoeyT (Reply #27)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 11:24 AM
oldhippydude (2,514 posts)
82. easy now........ the Moonies have been around for years
Response to AsahinaKimi (Reply #8)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:37 PM
Tyrs WolfDaemon (1,921 posts)
40. They are only partially right about the moon. There are people there, but they aren't Quakers
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They are from one of the Lost Tribes of Asgard!
NASA has seen the truth but won't tell anyone:
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Response to Tyrs WolfDaemon (Reply #40)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 08:43 PM
AsahinaKimi (18,102 posts)
42. That must have been
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A hell of a long row.. holding their breaths! ^^
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Response to AsahinaKimi (Reply #42)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 02:33 AM
Tyrs WolfDaemon (1,921 posts)
53. We are a hardy people. A little lack of air is just a mild annoyance.
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Just think of us as being like the Black Knight from Monty Python, except that we're Vikings.
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Response to Laurajr (Original post)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 09:30 AM
2pooped2pop (2,611 posts)
9. white horse prophecy
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look it up.
Spread it around to the "other Christian" groups. This should make them all very against Mitt since at least one other "Christian" religion (fundy) already has plans for their religion to be the one religion of Murika. They will not want Mittens in that spot. |
Response to Laurajr (Original post)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 09:35 AM
onethatcares (6,642 posts)
10. back in the day I attended Assemblies of God church and
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they called Mormonism a cult.
Now they support the mittster. I guess dogma changes occassionally when a socialist, markist, black guy from Kenya that was a community organizer is in the house. |
Response to Laurajr (Original post)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 09:38 AM
el_bryanto (3,692 posts)
11. The opening paragraph is interesting
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And kind of renders the purpose of the list moot. If you are going to hold Romney (or any other Mormon) responsible for this list, that's a bit sad. Some of these things are accurate (the Constitution holding on by a thread is an actual quote that many Mormons still believe), and others aren't (no it seems unlikely there are Quakers on the moon). The author makes no attempt to determine how widespread a "weird" belief is.
Also a lot of the disturbing ones are to do with end times or armegeddon days - those are problematic, but end times prophecies play a role in many religions. Full disclosure, I am also a Mormon. Bryant |
Response to el_bryanto (Reply #11)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 09:46 AM
Bluenorthwest (24,194 posts)
12. But man will NEVER walk on the Moon!
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Apostle Joseph Fielding Smith, 1961:
"We will never get a man into space. This earth is man's sphere and it was never intended that he should get away from it. The moon is a superior planet to the earth and it was never intended that man should go there. You can write it down in your books that this will never happen." |
Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #12)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 09:51 AM
el_bryanto (3,692 posts)
13. Good point. I gather the Joseph Fielding Smith was wrong in that
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Last edited Thu Sep 13, 2012, 09:51 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) unless, of course, they staged the moon landing.
Bryant |
Response to el_bryanto (Reply #13)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 10:05 AM
Greybnk48 (5,160 posts)
17. My grandfather believed the moon landing was staged.
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He had a third grade education. He also did not believe that my chihuahua was an actual dog! LOL!
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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #13)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 10:12 AM
Bluenorthwest (24,194 posts)
18. The man was 'the prophet' and he said 'write it down'
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He was very wrong. Did you note that he also said we'd never get into space? Not just the Moon, into space....
When one claims to be speaking as God's proxy, 'I gather he was wrong' is a really weak response. Men in that same position now tell LDS to come after the rights of their LGBT neighbors based on what they say God tells them to say, same God who told them we'd never get into space. Can you see why that is a serious issue? To me it is sad that people will harm others over what they know is often very wrong while claiming to be divinely correct. |
Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #18)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 10:19 AM
el_bryanto (3,692 posts)
22. What sort of response would be acceptable?
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In Mormon belief there was only one perfect man and that was Christ; that implies that all men, even Prophets, are capable of making mistakes.
Also I oppose Government Sanctioned marriages for anybody, straight or gay; the Government should issue licenses or contracts to provide the legal protections of marriage to any couple (straight or gay) who wishes them. Bryant |
Response to el_bryanto (Reply #22)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 11:45 AM
Bluenorthwest (24,194 posts)
83. You know, the man said 'write it down' and yet when that is done, his request is
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followed, and others say 'we wrote it down, you were wrong' great offense is taken. That's why bullshit trash talk is such a bad choice. People do write it down, and later they might mention it, because that man invited us all to do so.
If a man wants to be so challenging to others, he needs to be ready for the blowback when he's shown to be utterly full of crap. 'Write it down!' Perhaps if that hubris was absent, it would be easier to just laugh at it, but it is the hubris that allows for Prop 8 to exist, even after the facts show that LDS leadership is often more wrong than wrong can be. "I speak for God, but that one was a mistake, now God says go stop gay people from having rights." Slow learners? Cake and eat it too? Either way, such arrogance coupled with willful ignorance is a threat to my community, and we don't shurg it off. We write it down. |
Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #83)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 11:48 AM
el_bryanto (3,692 posts)
84. I think you might be extrapolating too much from that incident
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But I'm not sure there is a productive way to talk about this.
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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #18)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 11:56 AM
HillWilliam (3,166 posts)
28. When any man says to you "G'd wants..." or "G'd says..." or "G'd hates..."
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anything, then keep your hand firmly on your wallet and walk away quickly. You've encountered either a liar, a thief, a lunatic, or some combination thereof.
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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #18)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:42 PM
boppers (16,588 posts)
51. You are confusing "Apostle" with "Prophet".
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If everything the Catholic church's cardinals said was held to the same standard, they'd seem like nut jobs, too.
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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #11)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 10:19 AM
Angry Dragon (24,073 posts)
21. Do you know of any Mormons that have served in the military??
Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #21)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 10:20 AM
el_bryanto (3,692 posts)
23. My Father and Brother; my Brother has since left the Church
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I have known plenty of others though.
Bryant |
Response to el_bryanto (Reply #23)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 10:31 AM
Angry Dragon (24,073 posts)
25. Thank you
Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #25)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 06:30 PM
braddy (317 posts)
59. Mormons serve in the military, just in smaller numbers, Mitt's draft deferment was not for blacks
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Utah ranks almost at the bottom for military enlistments, and black Mormons were not allowed church issued draft deferments, Mitt Romney's draft deferment was forbidden to black men who were Mormons.
No black man has ever received the Mormon draft deferment. |
Response to braddy (Reply #59)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 06:32 PM
Angry Dragon (24,073 posts)
60. It is good to see that the LDS treat all their people the same
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NOT
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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #21)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 01:34 PM
xmas74 (24,512 posts)
90. I do.
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I've had past coworkers who were military or married to military and were practicing LDS.
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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #11)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 08:56 PM
Panasonic (2,921 posts)
46. in the name of disclosure
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Do you wear magic underwear?
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Response to Panasonic (Reply #46)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 09:26 PM
eridani (38,419 posts)
49. Excessively personal question, don't you think? n/t
Response to Panasonic (Reply #46)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 09:32 AM
el_bryanto (3,692 posts)
61. I don't know why I would have to disclose that
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What's your rationale?
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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #61)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 10:01 AM
snooper2 (16,632 posts)
62. because it is cute
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Response to Laurajr (Original post)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 09:53 AM
JSK (1,111 posts)
14. Mitt and the White Horse Prophecy
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Roseanne Barr tweeted recently that while growing up in Salt Lake City, Romney was already talked about then by Mormons as our future president and "savior."
People are wary of Mormons for a reason - the "US Constitution hanging by a thread?" I wish more people were talking about it. < From the time of his birth — March 13, 1947 — through adolescence and into manhood, the meshing of religion and politics was paramount in Mitt Romney’s life. Called “my miracle baby” by his mother, who had been told by her physician that it was impossible for her to bear a fourth child, Romney was christened Willard Mitt Romney in honor of close family friend and one of the richest Mormons in history, J. Willard Marriott... Upon completion of his foreign mission, he immersed himself in the 1970 senatorial campaign of his mother, Lenore Romney, who was running against Phillip Hart in the Michigan general election. That same year, the Cougar Club — the all male, all white social club at Brigham Young University in Salt Lake City (blacks were excluded from full membership in the Mormon church until 1978) — was humming with talk that its president, Mitt Romney, would become the first Mormon president of the United States. “If not Mitt, then who?” was the ubiquitous slogan within the elite organization. The pious world of BYU was expected to spawn the man who would lead the Mormons into the White House and fulfill the prophecies of the church’s founder, Joseph Smith Jr., which Romney has avidly sought... Romney is the product of this culture. At BYU, he was idolized by fellow students and referred to, only half jokingly, as the “One Mighty and Strong.” > http://www.salon.com/2012/01/29/mitt_and_the_white_horse_prophecy/ |
Response to Laurajr (Original post)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 10:02 AM
jp11 (2,104 posts)
15. #10 Happened to Jesus but he didn't convert he just had to wait for people
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to forget what people where he allegedly lived looked like or just ignore that fact completely.
Many of those beliefs are shared by other faiths. |
Response to Laurajr (Original post)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 10:05 AM
cleanhippie (14,506 posts)
16. All religions have weird beliefs. Christians believe a man was literally ressurrected from the dead.
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The point is, ALL religions believe weird and totally unrealistic things. Were you trying to make a bigger point here?
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Response to Laurajr (Original post)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 10:15 AM
Angry Dragon (24,073 posts)
19. 46. Flip-flops are not to be worn in the church building
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Willard is not allowed in the church
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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #19)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 01:37 PM
xmas74 (24,512 posts)
91. I'm screwed.
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I could never be LDS. I wear flip flops all the time when I have to drop something off at church or pick up my kid from activities.
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Response to Laurajr (Original post)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 10:21 AM
JohnnyBoots (2,921 posts)
24. This could explain Mitt's aggressive presser on Libya
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Word on the street is that it was Mitt himself who arranged that presser.
83. So long as the US/America's stay righteous, aka, primarily Christian and God fearing, they will not be attacked by foreign powers or enemies (stems from the tradition laid out in the Book of Mormon that righteousness equals protection from enemies by God etc). |
Response to Laurajr (Original post)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 10:34 AM
Rambis (7,585 posts)
26. The garden of Eden is filled with Meth?
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Response to Laurajr (Original post)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 12:16 PM
LynneSin (89,793 posts)
29. This was my one annoyance with a mormon and these bizarro laws
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About a decade ago I attended a funeral for an old friend of my family. She was a lovely lady that lived until she was 85 and died of cancer. She lived a long life, had a wonderful family and when she got the cancer diagnosis she said she was done getting treatment (it was a serious one so any treatment would only just extend her life maybe a few extra months).
She was not Mormon but one of her 8 living children was a convert to Mormon. During the funeral one of her other kids spoke about her and told a few wonderful stories about this lovely lady. He talked about how much she loved drinking her coca cola each day and as a tribute to her he asked all his siblings & their family to come up front and together they did a toast to mom. But instead of alcohol they were going to do a toast with coca-cola. Everyone thought it was a nice tribute but the one kid, the mormon, stood up there and refused the glass of coke handed to him. His brother even looked at him and said 'just take the glass and raise it for mom'. The guy still refused the glass because 'I'm mormon we don't touch that stuff'. I just thought it was so rude. Sure it was nice to stick with the faith but hell, he could have just taken the damn glass and held it out of respect for his mother. Instead he just stood there and scowled the entire time. Sure perhaps someone could say about 'respecting his rights' but really - a damn glass of soda. YOu couldn't just hold it to be a part of what was a lovely family moment paying respect to a wonderful mother. |
Response to Laurajr (Original post)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 06:52 PM
RebelOne (26,853 posts)
32. I could not read the whole list because I was laughing so much. n/t
Response to Laurajr (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:48 AM
The Midway Rebel (1,734 posts)
35. The Book of Mormon is based on a novel manuscript that Joseph Smith stole as an apprentice.
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Follow the threads and draw your own conclusions. It is damned waky American history.
http://www.solomonspalding.info/reference.html |
Response to The Midway Rebel (Reply #35)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 12:31 PM
Laurajr (223 posts)
36. isn't that the plot of a new movie with Bradley Cooper
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Last edited Fri Sep 14, 2012, 12:54 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) called THE WORD....wow kinda weird
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Response to Laurajr (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 12:32 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (46,047 posts)
37. All Religions Have Weird Beliefs Depending On Your Perspective
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Response to Laurajr (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 12:40 PM
Cleita (64,553 posts)
38. To be fair all religions have weird beliefs.
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Last edited Fri Sep 14, 2012, 12:44 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Many religions preach about a hero, a second coming, a Messiah, King Arthur, all who are supposed to come on earth at a time of crisis and make things better. It isn't the weird beliefs that bother me, but that the Church of Latter Day Saints proselytize to a degree beyond that what other churches do. Forcing their children to be missionaries is part of it. Spend a few days in Utah and you will see what a theocracy, American style, is. They would like the whole USA to be like Utah. That's what bothers me about them.
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Response to Cleita (Reply #38)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 08:30 AM
marions ghost (13,951 posts)
58. true
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Response to Cleita (Reply #38)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 10:54 AM
bhikkhu (7,656 posts)
75. Not all are started by pathological liars and con men
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...and in a weird way, the psyche of the founder seems to form the mold for the psyches of the followers, down over generations. There are good people in the mormon religion, but the pathological liar/con man still resides at the core.
A similar pattern can be seen in Calvinism, which formed a strain of thought in the founding of this country and still remains. The character there was more general bigotry than anything else. |
Response to bhikkhu (Reply #75)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 11:56 AM
Arugula Latte (40,206 posts)
85. Well, really, all "faiths" are based on myths, storie, lies, tales, legends, fantasy & some history.
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The origins of the Big Three are obscured by time, but there was definitely a lot of hucksterism involved in the founding and promotion of the mainstream religions. Yeah, the Mormons believe a lot of crazy shit, but so do the believing Christians (and believing Muslims and believing Jews, etc.). It's just that mainstream Christianity strikes most Americans as slightly less insane because it's been around for ages and incorporated into the culture more. But, come on...a cracker becomes Jesus meat every Sunday? There isn't just a small amount of snake oil salesmen in the people pushing that stuff as a true miracle.
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Response to Laurajr (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 12:49 PM
Initech (38,939 posts)
39. The prophets have spoken?
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Response to Laurajr (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 08:48 PM
cherokeeprogressive (14,975 posts)
43. MMM MMM MM. I loves me some religious bigotry.
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Yup yup
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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #43)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 11:23 AM
Silent3 (6,817 posts)
81. An ex-member of a religion simply stating the facts about that religion...
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...constitutes "bigotry"?
Or does it become "bigotry" because you know the reaction to those facts is likely to be incredulity, the bigotry being that we don't bend over backwards to pretend this stuff is perfectly sane, perhaps even commendable, so long as someone believes it strongly enough? |
Response to Laurajr (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 08:52 PM
Panasonic (2,921 posts)
44. based on this, Rmoney sshould be banned and excommunicated from LDS
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Because flip flops aren't allowed.
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Response to Laurajr (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 09:03 PM
Joey Liberal (5,265 posts)
47. Glad that I'm just a Unitarian Universalist
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Last edited Fri Sep 14, 2012, 09:04 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Not so many rules.
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Response to Joey Liberal (Reply #47)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:46 PM
boppers (16,588 posts)
52. That's only because they never can seem to make it out of committee.
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Response to boppers (Reply #52)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 11:00 AM
Jackpine Radical (36,575 posts)
78. That's what UU church committees are for.
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Response to Laurajr (Original post)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 09:04 PM
Gabi Hayes (21,495 posts)
48. holy banana hammock!
Response to Laurajr (Original post)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 03:04 AM
oberliner (22,151 posts)
55. Denigrating Mormonism is OK?
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In light of recent events, isn't that a little hypocritical?
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Response to oberliner (Reply #55)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 03:36 AM
physioex (6,487 posts)
56. Relax.....
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At least we are being fair...
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Response to oberliner (Reply #55)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 10:03 AM
snooper2 (16,632 posts)
63. we have to make fun of all religions..
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It's the only hope for our young folks, we get through them with HUMOR!
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Response to snooper2 (Reply #63)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 10:15 AM
oberliner (22,151 posts)
64. Even if it might incite violence?
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Where do you draw the line?
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Response to oberliner (Reply #64)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 10:32 AM
snooper2 (16,632 posts)
67. not our job to control other people's actions..
Response to snooper2 (Reply #67)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 10:34 AM
oberliner (22,151 posts)
68. I agree with you
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Not sure that this is the majority opinion on this site though.
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Response to oberliner (Reply #55)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 10:23 AM
FSogol (16,043 posts)
65. "So you're saying a once openly racist religion that says God is from Planet Kolob is not worthy of
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Also: "Yes, it's so wrong of me to make fun of a religion that allowed blacks to join as far back as 1978." |
Response to FSogol (Reply #65)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 10:24 AM
oberliner (22,151 posts)
66. What if angry Mormons start storming US embassies around the world?
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Would we have to cool it then?
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Response to oberliner (Reply #66)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 10:36 AM
WinkyDink (37,083 posts)
71. Beware the Mormon Street!
Response to WinkyDink (Reply #71)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 10:43 AM
oberliner (22,151 posts)
72. Is that Temple Street in Salt Lake City?
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All roads lead to the temple!
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Response to oberliner (Reply #66)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 10:53 AM
FSogol (16,043 posts)
74. In suits and on bicycles? In pairs?
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Response to FSogol (Reply #74)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 10:57 AM
oberliner (22,151 posts)
76. It's a good thing nobody ever insults their prophet
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Imagine what would happen if someone broadcasted a cartoonish parody of Joseph Smith!
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Response to Laurajr (Original post)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 10:50 AM
KansDem (24,359 posts)
73. Who has the time to think this stuff up?
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Response to Laurajr (Original post)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 10:58 AM
JustAnotherGen (5,600 posts)
77. Oh my!
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10. If you have dark skin and convert to Mormonism, your skin will begin to lighten/whiten
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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #77)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 11:18 AM
luvspeas (1,335 posts)
80. Since they didn't allow any Black people until after 1978, this is very very troubling...
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Response to luvspeas (Reply #80)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 04:26 PM
JustAnotherGen (5,600 posts)
92. I knew about that one
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Response to Laurajr (Original post)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 11:02 AM
GoneOffShore (11,131 posts)
79. Interesting read and a good insight into the cult.
Response to Laurajr (Original post)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 01:28 PM
xmas74 (24,512 posts)
87. A LDS friend explained the whole "Garden of Eden" thing when I asked her years ago.
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She said it's not the Garden of Eden from the Old Testament. She then went on to explain something about it being the place where Mormonism was supposed to grow and such.
Sometimes I still like to ask her about how Eden looks this week. Her response? "Still like a meth lab." (The area was basically one huge meth lab back in the 90's.) |
Response to Laurajr (Original post)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 05:51 PM
sarcasmo (13,550 posts)


