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struggle4progress Sep 2012 OP
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msanthrope Sep 2012 #35
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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:28 PM

1. It's all about him, isn't it? Every damn fucking thing.

Is he working for the Romney campaign now?

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Response to randome (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:44 PM

14. Except it doesn't come from him. Assange does not tweet for Wikileaks. I thought we

expected a higher standard of accuracy on DU.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #14)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:52 PM

21. Thank-you.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #14)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:10 PM

35. Using the logic Wikileaks posited, Assange's failure to condemn the tweet is tacit approval of it.

But I still think that was Julian, all the way.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #35)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:36 PM

51. I wonder if he's got restrictions on his internet activities while a guest of the Ecuadorans...

Could they be held responsible if he did anything illegal from inside the embassy?



Edit: maybe "illegal" is too strong a word. Embarrassing, maybe?

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #51)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:07 PM

56. I wonder if the people he bilked 340k from are able to contact him there. nt

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #56)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 12:53 AM

129. "... Henry Blaxland QC representing four .. backers, said none .. could they reach him ..."

Assange supporters to lose out after breach of bail conditions
Paul Cheston , Jonathan Brown
Tuesday 04 September 2012
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/assange-supporters-to-lose-out-after-breach-of-bail-conditions-8104882.html

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #56)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 01:16 AM

131. You've any eviidence that they feel they've been bilked...

Nope. Nada. Not whatsoever. Bilked is your own imagination based on zero evidence.

Hey! Did you know that Obama was born in Kenya!

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #131)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 01:31 AM

134. We can listen to Vaughn Smith, at whose home Assange stayed before skipping off to the embassy

Smith was quite sure Assange would not jump bail:

"... I've gotten to know Julian well enough to be 100% sure he's not going to abscond ..."
Vaughan Smith on Assange bail

The former soldier and the founder of the Frontline Club insists the Wikileaks founder will not abscond from his house.

http://www.metro.co.uk/video/712988142001-vaughan-smith-on-assange-bail
@1:20

Afterwards, having guaranteed Assange's appearance in court, but not being a rich man, he seems a tad depressed:

If your friends gave you $376,000 to stay out of jail, the least you might want to do is drop a hint that you're skipping town. But none such courtesies were extended to Julian Assange's donors ... Vaughan Smith, a former British army captain who housed Assange, sounds downright unhappy in a conversation with The Wall Street Journal. "I'm slightly concerned that I may have guaranteed 20 grand to be paid later," he said. "The interests of my family are obviously impacted by the loss of that sort of money" ...

Assange's Celebrity Donors Were Left High and Dry
JOHN HUDSON
JUN 21, 2012
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2012/06/assanges-celebrity-donors-were-left-high-and-dry/53795/

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #134)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 01:36 AM

136. Well, there you go. One person who expressed regret. $356,000 other regrets to go.

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #134)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 01:54 AM

140. Still looking for that bilked thingy,

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #131)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 01:42 AM

137. Here's Jemima Khan, surprised:

... One of Julian Assange's most prominent supporters, Jemima Khan, has said she would like to see the WikiLeaks founder, who has made an asylum bid to avoid extradition to Sweden, confront the rape allegations made against him by two Swedish women. The socialite and charity fundraiser, who faces losing the £20,000 she put towards his bail money after Assange took refuge at the Ecuadorean embassy in London and sought political asylum, said on Twitter that the women deserved a response to their allegations. She wrote: "For the record, in response to those asking about Assange & bail money.... I personally would like to see Assange confront the rape allegations in Sweden and the 2 women at the centre have a right to a response" ... Earlier this week, she voiced her surprise at Assange's asylum bid, writing on Twitter that she had "expected him to face the allegations" ...

Jemima Khan 'would like to see Julian Assange confront rape allegations'
Socialite who donated to WikiLeaks founder's bail money also defends him over fears of extradition to US

David Batty
Thursday 21 June 2012 19.54 EDT
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/jun/22/jemima-khan-julian-assange-allegations

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #131)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 01:48 AM

138. Nine who provided sureties had counsel before the court last week, ready to argue

that they were taken by surprise and shouldn't lose their money: if they're willing to pay counsel to try to persuade the judge to let them continue to hold onto their cash, presumably that means they want to keep their money and aren't pleased that he skipped bail -- otherwise, why bother?



...Henry Blaxland QC, representing four of the sureties, said Vaughan Smith was making a documentary with the British army in Afghanistan, while Evans is on holiday in Italy ... "It was an extraordinary thing to do. Nobody could reasonably have foreseen that's what he would do," he said and urged that the hearing be postponed indefinitely ...


Julian Assange backers could lose £340,000 in bail money
WikiLeaks founder's supporters have already forfeited £200,000 and risk £140,000 more if Assange refuses to surrender to police
Shiv Malik and agencies
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 4 September 2012 13.24 EDT
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/sep/04/julian-assange-backers-lose-bail?newsfeed=true

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #138)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 01:52 AM

139. Um, that only reveals that they feel that they've been biilked by the state, not Assange.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #139)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 02:06 AM

141. Let's explain the concept of bail: one puts up cash or a guarantee to pay cash, to witness

that the accused will appear in court as ordered, and one forfeits the cash or pays the guarantee, in case of appearance default by the accused

The notion is simple. The agreement typically includes no fine print: shyster games -- such as holding one in technical default if one fails to say "Mother, may I?" before eating Beano in a month without Rs -- are seldom seen in the Land of Bail. And in any case, those who put up cash, or guarantee to pay cash, usually have advice from clever counselors who will explain, in advance and in detail, the exact meaning of "If the accused fails to appear in court as ordered, you will forfeit your cash and/or pay the guarantee"

So bail is not, under usual understandings, anything like a bilk or a scam or a swindle

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #141)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 02:23 AM

142. They are suing the state. Not Assange.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #142)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 02:35 AM

143. Doesn't look like they're suing to me.

The hearing in Oct. is merely procedural. If Assange has not surrendered by then they lose their money.

They just tried to delay having to pay the sureties. This sort of thing is cut and dry and really they have zero recourse. You sign a piece of paper giving money over for bail then the conditions of bail must be met.

Note: I have 3 brothers who I've had to bail out on occasion, for what it's worth. Pretty familiar with the whole process, shouldn't be too different in the UK.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #14)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:26 PM

69. ... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original

coder, organizer, financier and all the rest. If you have a problem with me, piss off," Assange wrote to one of his Icelandic volunteers, Herbert Snorrason ...How WikiLeaks Blew It
The sad downfall of Julian Assange and his empire of secrets.

BY JOSHUA E. KEATING
AUGUST 16, 2012
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/16/how_wikileaks_blew_it?page=0,0

By now, it's well-documented that Assange regards himself as the creator and absolute dictator of Wikileaks:

... "Julian Assange reacted to any criticism with the allegation that I was disobedient to him and disloyal to the project" ...
12/01/2010
Dissatisfaction with Assange Former WikiLeaks Activists to Launch New Whistleblowing Site
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/dissatisfaction-with-assange-former-wikileaks-activists-to-launch-new-whistleblowing-site-a-732212.html

... Several WikiLeaks members abandoned the site following perceived autocratic behaviour by Mr Assange. They said he failed to consult them on many decisions and put himself front and centre of everything WikiLeaks did ... "You are not anyone's king or god," Mr Domscheit-Berg told Mr Assange in an online chat, a transcript of which was obtained and published by Wired.com. "And you're not even fulfilling your role as a leader right now. A leader communicates and cultivates trust in himself. You are doing the exact opposite. You behave like some kind of emperor or slave trader."
Mr Assange shot back, saying he was suspending Mr Domscheit-Berg for a month and that if he wanted to appeal, "you will be heard on Tuesday" ...
Anger at 'slave trader' Assange: WikiLeaks loyalists decide to break away
December 10, 2010
Asher Moses
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/anger-at-slave-trader-assange-wikileaks-loyalists-decide-to-break-away-20101210-18s0w.html

Unpublished Iraq War Logs Trigger Internal WikiLeaks Revolt
By Kevin Poulsen and Kim Zetter
09.27.10 9:07 PM
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/wikileaks-revolt/

He has been asked to step down temporarily, until the sexual accusations can be resolved, but he has refused:

.... "I think it would be very good for WikiLeaks if there was another spokesperson or even many spokespersons," said Birgitta Jónsdóttir, who, with WikiLeaks' help, recently launched an initiative to make Iceland a safe haven for journalists and whistleblowers.
"It would be convenient if he <Assange> would step aside as a spokesman," she told AFP, stressing, however, that "he has my support in all the other parts he plays in WikiLeaks."
"I think it is always a bit dangerous to mix personal matters and to be a spokesperson for a movement like <WikiLeaks>," said the 43-year-old media freedom champion, who in June oversaw the passing of the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative (IMMI) ...
Iceland MP: Assange should resign
Published: 8 Sep 10 08:03 CET
http://www.thelocal.se/28840/20100908/

Here's the bottom line:

This tweet doesn't come from a professional organization, devoted to government transparency. The tweet is unprofessional, and the tweet isn't about government transparency -- it's about the personal problems of the dude who controls the organization. And since he runs the organization with an iron fist, he's clearly responsible for whatever the organization sends out

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #14)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 12:52 AM

128. Struggle4progress has been on a torch-and-pitchfork crusade for some time now

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #14)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 02:53 AM

145. It's true that progressives expect a higher degree of accuracy. But DU is a big tent.

For many non-progressives, accuracy is considered unnecessary, and usually regarded as detrimental, as it is usually an impediment to the furthering of the corporatist agenda.

Not everyone has the same ethical standards, and not everyone feels shame when they lie.

There is actually a concept called the Noble Lie ~

In politics a noble lie is a myth or untruth, often, but not invariably, of a religious nature, knowingly told by an elite to maintain social harmony or to advance an agenda. The noble lie is a concept originated by Plato as described in the Republic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_lie


Leo Strauss, father of neocon ideology, was purportedly a proponent of using the "noble lie".

So, progressives can expect a higher degree of accuracy at DU, but unfortunately, this higher standard will not always be recognized as important by others who may be promoting some type of alternative agenda.

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:28 PM

2. OK, stick a fork in him, he's done

Yes, his remark can be construed as a very nuanced statement, and could be argued by some to be true.

However, only a complete imbecile would make such a remark publicly.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:49 PM

17. That would make sense if HE wrote it but he didn't. The Wikileaks tweet account is not Assange.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #17)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:16 PM

40. OK, I can accept that

and will withdraw my statement for now. I await a press release from Assange clarifying this point.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #40)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:08 PM

57. Don't hold your breath. nt

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #40)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:31 PM

80. If you followed the story, Wikileaks has already removed the tweet and issued

an amended tweet.

First a follow up from Jemima Khan:

Jemima Khan ‏@Jemima_Khan

It has now been deleted and amended...


Now for the amended tweet:

WikiLeaks ‏@wikileaks

By the US accepting the UK threat to storm the Ecuadorian embassy in London it helped to normalize attacks on embassies.


I actually don't agree with the statement and you won't get a press release from Assange as he is not operating as Wikileaks spokesperson. Currently, the public face of Wikileaks is Kristinn Hrafnsson.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #17)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:27 PM

70. ... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original

coder, organizer, financier and all the rest. If you have a problem with me, piss off," Assange wrote to one of his Icelandic volunteers, Herbert Snorrason ...How WikiLeaks Blew It
The sad downfall of Julian Assange and his empire of secrets.

BY JOSHUA E. KEATING
AUGUST 16, 2012
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/16/how_wikileaks_blew_it?page=0,0

By now, it's well-documented that Assange regards himself as the creator and absolute dictator of Wikileaks:

... "Julian Assange reacted to any criticism with the allegation that I was disobedient to him and disloyal to the project" ...
12/01/2010
Dissatisfaction with Assange Former WikiLeaks Activists to Launch New Whistleblowing Site
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/dissatisfaction-with-assange-former-wikileaks-activists-to-launch-new-whistleblowing-site-a-732212.html

... Several WikiLeaks members abandoned the site following perceived autocratic behaviour by Mr Assange. They said he failed to consult them on many decisions and put himself front and centre of everything WikiLeaks did ... "You are not anyone's king or god," Mr Domscheit-Berg told Mr Assange in an online chat, a transcript of which was obtained and published by Wired.com. "And you're not even fulfilling your role as a leader right now. A leader communicates and cultivates trust in himself. You are doing the exact opposite. You behave like some kind of emperor or slave trader."
Mr Assange shot back, saying he was suspending Mr Domscheit-Berg for a month and that if he wanted to appeal, "you will be heard on Tuesday" ...
Anger at 'slave trader' Assange: WikiLeaks loyalists decide to break away
December 10, 2010
Asher Moses
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/anger-at-slave-trader-assange-wikileaks-loyalists-decide-to-break-away-20101210-18s0w.html

Unpublished Iraq War Logs Trigger Internal WikiLeaks Revolt
By Kevin Poulsen and Kim Zetter
09.27.10 9:07 PM
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/wikileaks-revolt/

He has been asked to step down temporarily, until the sexual accusations can be resolved, but he has refused:

.... "I think it would be very good for WikiLeaks if there was another spokesperson or even many spokespersons," said Birgitta Jónsdóttir, who, with WikiLeaks' help, recently launched an initiative to make Iceland a safe haven for journalists and whistleblowers.
"It would be convenient if he <Assange> would step aside as a spokesman," she told AFP, stressing, however, that "he has my support in all the other parts he plays in WikiLeaks."
"I think it is always a bit dangerous to mix personal matters and to be a spokesperson for a movement like <WikiLeaks>," said the 43-year-old media freedom champion, who in June oversaw the passing of the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative (IMMI) ...
Iceland MP: Assange should resign
Published: 8 Sep 10 08:03 CET
http://www.thelocal.se/28840/20100908/

Here's the bottom line:

This tweet doesn't come from a professional organization, devoted to government transparency. The tweet is unprofessional, and the tweet isn't about government transparency -- it's about the personal problems of the dude who controls the organization. And since he runs the organization with an iron fist, he's clearly responsible for whatever the organization sends out

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #70)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:33 PM

83. The current Wikileaks spokesperson is Kristinn Hrafnsson.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #83)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:26 PM

105. Is Hrafnsson responsible for the drunken tweets from Wikileaks at this link?

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #105)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 12:01 AM

121. Perhaps. Or it could have been a un-named chinese Wikileaks

dissident blowing off steam. Perhaps they should be exposed and prosecuted.

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:30 PM

3. He's not going to make any friends with that statement! nt

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:55 PM

25. Well, that's a relief because Assange did not write it. It was posted by the Wikileaks twitter

account which is not the same as Assange.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #25)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:58 PM

28. Good to know. Thanks!

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Reply #28)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:27 PM

71. ... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original

coder, organizer, financier and all the rest. If you have a problem with me, piss off," Assange wrote to one of his Icelandic volunteers, Herbert Snorrason ...How WikiLeaks Blew It
The sad downfall of Julian Assange and his empire of secrets.

BY JOSHUA E. KEATING
AUGUST 16, 2012
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/16/how_wikileaks_blew_it?page=0,0

By now, it's well-documented that Assange regards himself as the creator and absolute dictator of Wikileaks:

... "Julian Assange reacted to any criticism with the allegation that I was disobedient to him and disloyal to the project" ...
12/01/2010
Dissatisfaction with Assange Former WikiLeaks Activists to Launch New Whistleblowing Site
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/dissatisfaction-with-assange-former-wikileaks-activists-to-launch-new-whistleblowing-site-a-732212.html

... Several WikiLeaks members abandoned the site following perceived autocratic behaviour by Mr Assange. They said he failed to consult them on many decisions and put himself front and centre of everything WikiLeaks did ... "You are not anyone's king or god," Mr Domscheit-Berg told Mr Assange in an online chat, a transcript of which was obtained and published by Wired.com. "And you're not even fulfilling your role as a leader right now. A leader communicates and cultivates trust in himself. You are doing the exact opposite. You behave like some kind of emperor or slave trader."
Mr Assange shot back, saying he was suspending Mr Domscheit-Berg for a month and that if he wanted to appeal, "you will be heard on Tuesday" ...
Anger at 'slave trader' Assange: WikiLeaks loyalists decide to break away
December 10, 2010
Asher Moses
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/anger-at-slave-trader-assange-wikileaks-loyalists-decide-to-break-away-20101210-18s0w.html

Unpublished Iraq War Logs Trigger Internal WikiLeaks Revolt
By Kevin Poulsen and Kim Zetter
09.27.10 9:07 PM
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/wikileaks-revolt/

He has been asked to step down temporarily, until the sexual accusations can be resolved, but he has refused:

.... "I think it would be very good for WikiLeaks if there was another spokesperson or even many spokespersons," said Birgitta Jónsdóttir, who, with WikiLeaks' help, recently launched an initiative to make Iceland a safe haven for journalists and whistleblowers.
"It would be convenient if he <Assange> would step aside as a spokesman," she told AFP, stressing, however, that "he has my support in all the other parts he plays in WikiLeaks."
"I think it is always a bit dangerous to mix personal matters and to be a spokesperson for a movement like <WikiLeaks>," said the 43-year-old media freedom champion, who in June oversaw the passing of the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative (IMMI) ...
Iceland MP: Assange should resign
Published: 8 Sep 10 08:03 CET
http://www.thelocal.se/28840/20100908/

Here's the bottom line:

This tweet doesn't come from a professional organization, devoted to government transparency. The tweet is unprofessional, and the tweet isn't about government transparency -- it's about the personal problems of the dude who controls the organization. And since he runs the organization with an iron fist, he's clearly responsible for whatever the organization sends out

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #71)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:37 PM

85. Yes. That was two years ago. The current spokesperson is Kristinn Hrafnsson.

And how's that new Wikileaks-style "OpenLeaks" that the admitted thief (and admitted destroyer of the banking info) Domscheit-Berg was supposed to launch nearly two years ago. It is still a place holder on the internet.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #85)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:53 PM

95. Spokesperson Birgitta Jonsdottir stepped down, concerned about Assange's iron grip. Then

spokesperson Daniel Domscheit-Berg stepped down, concerned about Assange's iron grip. So whoever's there now doesn't mind Assange's iron grip

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #95)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:35 PM

118. That thief and destoyer of the banking info was fired.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #118)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 01:21 AM

132. If you want to stipulate Assange fired Domscheit-Berg for disagreeing with him, it's fine with me:

it just makes the case more strongly that Assange has never tolerated dissent at Wikileaks

Whether Domscheit-Berg was fired or quit in September 2010, Assange was chortling in January 2011 about how much fun it was to make the banks squirm -- and then in February 2011 he changed his tune and said there might not be anything in the BoA emails. This was months after Domscheit-Berg quit or was fired or whatever. So if it is true (as you say) that Domscheit-Berg stole BoA emails when he left, that leaves us with the unpleasant image of Assange, months later, enjoying threatening US banks with disclosures he could not actually make -- and then finally backing out, on the grounds that he wasn't sure what he actually had

... "I think it's great," Assange told the venerable US television news magazine 60 Minutes on Sunday evening. "We have all these banks squirming, thinking maybe it's them" ...

Assange relishes US banks 'squirming' over 'megaleak'
Accuses America of chucking free speech in rubbish bin

By Cade Metz in San Francisco31st January 2011 05:06 GMT
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01/31/assange_says_us_cant_take_wikileaks_down/

WikiLeaks has data from Bank of America Corp., but founder Julian Assange isn't sure whether it holds any big news ... The information consists of e-mails from an executive's computer hard drive, according to Reuters, which cited people familiar with Assange's private discussions. The most recent messages are from 2006, which would preclude information about the bank's 2008 Countrywide Financial Corp. and Merrill Lynch & Co. acquisitions. "Assange privately acknowledged the material was not self-explanatory and that he personally was unable to make much sense of it" ...

WikiLeaks: Assange doubts value of Bank of America e-mails
Posted on Friday, February 11, 2011
Rick Rothacker | Charlotte Observer
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/02/11/108626/wikileaks-assange-doubts-value.html


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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:30 PM

4. Anon. has a point. There's been a generalized breakdown in norms as the whole intl playing field

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disintegrates into lawlessness and spreading warfare. And, the source is rotten governments and global business.

Not absurd or reckless, and whoever tweeted this wasn't condoning the attack.

Don't grasp at straws so much, s4p.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #4)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:18 PM

67. Doesn't explain the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq embassays before Assange.

It's definitely an inappropriate and illogical conclusion being thrown around by Wikileaks.

I agree that rotten governments are the real issue though. Wikileaks should release the Moscow files but for some reason after Assange got his job with RT that was swept under the rug.

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:30 PM

5. oh dear. that is narcissistic as hell.

it's also bullshit. And I'm also a wikileaks supporter.

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Response to cali (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:57 PM

27. Well, Assange didn't post that on twitter. Wikileaks did.

Assange does not run the Wikileaks twitter account.

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Response to cali (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:28 PM

72. ... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original

coder, organizer, financier and all the rest. If you have a problem with me, piss off," Assange wrote to one of his Icelandic volunteers, Herbert Snorrason ...How WikiLeaks Blew It
The sad downfall of Julian Assange and his empire of secrets.

BY JOSHUA E. KEATING
AUGUST 16, 2012
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/16/how_wikileaks_blew_it?page=0,0

By now, it's well-documented that Assange regards himself as the creator and absolute dictator of Wikileaks:

... "Julian Assange reacted to any criticism with the allegation that I was disobedient to him and disloyal to the project" ...
12/01/2010
Dissatisfaction with Assange Former WikiLeaks Activists to Launch New Whistleblowing Site
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/dissatisfaction-with-assange-former-wikileaks-activists-to-launch-new-whistleblowing-site-a-732212.html

... Several WikiLeaks members abandoned the site following perceived autocratic behaviour by Mr Assange. They said he failed to consult them on many decisions and put himself front and centre of everything WikiLeaks did ... "You are not anyone's king or god," Mr Domscheit-Berg told Mr Assange in an online chat, a transcript of which was obtained and published by Wired.com. "And you're not even fulfilling your role as a leader right now. A leader communicates and cultivates trust in himself. You are doing the exact opposite. You behave like some kind of emperor or slave trader."
Mr Assange shot back, saying he was suspending Mr Domscheit-Berg for a month and that if he wanted to appeal, "you will be heard on Tuesday" ...
Anger at 'slave trader' Assange: WikiLeaks loyalists decide to break away
December 10, 2010
Asher Moses
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/anger-at-slave-trader-assange-wikileaks-loyalists-decide-to-break-away-20101210-18s0w.html

Unpublished Iraq War Logs Trigger Internal WikiLeaks Revolt
By Kevin Poulsen and Kim Zetter
09.27.10 9:07 PM
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/wikileaks-revolt/

He has been asked to step down temporarily, until the sexual accusations can be resolved, but he has refused:

.... "I think it would be very good for WikiLeaks if there was another spokesperson or even many spokespersons," said Birgitta Jónsdóttir, who, with WikiLeaks' help, recently launched an initiative to make Iceland a safe haven for journalists and whistleblowers.
"It would be convenient if he <Assange> would step aside as a spokesman," she told AFP, stressing, however, that "he has my support in all the other parts he plays in WikiLeaks."
"I think it is always a bit dangerous to mix personal matters and to be a spokesperson for a movement like <WikiLeaks>," said the 43-year-old media freedom champion, who in June oversaw the passing of the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative (IMMI) ...
Iceland MP: Assange should resign
Published: 8 Sep 10 08:03 CET
http://www.thelocal.se/28840/20100908/

Here's the bottom line:

This tweet doesn't come from a professional organization, devoted to government transparency. The tweet is unprofessional, and the tweet isn't about government transparency -- it's about the personal problems of the dude who controls the organization. And since he runs the organization with an iron fist, he's clearly responsible for whatever the organization sends out

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #72)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 03:06 AM

146. Spamming your own thread...

...with the same cut & paste articles from two years ago: not really a compelling argument.

It's par for the course from you, though: argument by repeated, lengthy assertion. I can almost hear the mental dialog: "If I say the same thing often enough, if my cut & paste is long enough, if I beat them over the head repeatedly with the Club Of The Truth As I See It, people will simply have to bow down to My Truth."

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #72)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 04:13 AM

147. Thanks for this, struggleforprogress..

I hadn't seen it.

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:31 PM

6. Well, he is a dipshit.

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:32 PM

7. I don't think Assange is well. I don't think he's been well for a long, LONG time.

I'm talking long before any leaked cables. There is something really wrong and perverse about this guy, and I have a feeling there's so much more we're yet to learn. He's such a private individual (yeah, I know it's ironic), considering he thinks nothing should be secret.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:36 PM

9. I've always thought so as well.

The guy has always been one big blinking red "Danger" sign. And ignoring that sign always leads to trouble sooner or later. Character does matter.

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Response to 11cents (Reply #9)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:43 PM

13. Which is exactly why one has to be selective as to who one hitches one's wagon to. I predict a....

lot of embarrassment for a good many people.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #13)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:14 PM

38. Yes. You should be embarassed by the OP and the fact that you trusted the disinformation.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #13)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:28 PM

74. ... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original

coder, organizer, financier and all the rest. If you have a problem with me, piss off," Assange wrote to one of his Icelandic volunteers, Herbert Snorrason ...How WikiLeaks Blew It
The sad downfall of Julian Assange and his empire of secrets.

BY JOSHUA E. KEATING
AUGUST 16, 2012
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/16/how_wikileaks_blew_it?page=0,0

By now, it's well-documented that Assange regards himself as the creator and absolute dictator of Wikileaks:

... "Julian Assange reacted to any criticism with the allegation that I was disobedient to him and disloyal to the project" ...
12/01/2010
Dissatisfaction with Assange Former WikiLeaks Activists to Launch New Whistleblowing Site
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/dissatisfaction-with-assange-former-wikileaks-activists-to-launch-new-whistleblowing-site-a-732212.html

... Several WikiLeaks members abandoned the site following perceived autocratic behaviour by Mr Assange. They said he failed to consult them on many decisions and put himself front and centre of everything WikiLeaks did ... "You are not anyone's king or god," Mr Domscheit-Berg told Mr Assange in an online chat, a transcript of which was obtained and published by Wired.com. "And you're not even fulfilling your role as a leader right now. A leader communicates and cultivates trust in himself. You are doing the exact opposite. You behave like some kind of emperor or slave trader."
Mr Assange shot back, saying he was suspending Mr Domscheit-Berg for a month and that if he wanted to appeal, "you will be heard on Tuesday" ...
Anger at 'slave trader' Assange: WikiLeaks loyalists decide to break away
December 10, 2010
Asher Moses
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/anger-at-slave-trader-assange-wikileaks-loyalists-decide-to-break-away-20101210-18s0w.html

Unpublished Iraq War Logs Trigger Internal WikiLeaks Revolt
By Kevin Poulsen and Kim Zetter
09.27.10 9:07 PM
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/wikileaks-revolt/

He has been asked to step down temporarily, until the sexual accusations can be resolved, but he has refused:

.... "I think it would be very good for WikiLeaks if there was another spokesperson or even many spokespersons," said Birgitta Jónsdóttir, who, with WikiLeaks' help, recently launched an initiative to make Iceland a safe haven for journalists and whistleblowers.
"It would be convenient if he <Assange> would step aside as a spokesman," she told AFP, stressing, however, that "he has my support in all the other parts he plays in WikiLeaks."
"I think it is always a bit dangerous to mix personal matters and to be a spokesperson for a movement like <WikiLeaks>," said the 43-year-old media freedom champion, who in June oversaw the passing of the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative (IMMI) ...
Iceland MP: Assange should resign
Published: 8 Sep 10 08:03 CET
http://www.thelocal.se/28840/20100908/

Here's the bottom line:

This tweet doesn't come from a professional organization, devoted to government transparency. The tweet is unprofessional, and the tweet isn't about government transparency -- it's about the personal problems of the dude who controls the organization. And since he runs the organization with an iron fist, he's clearly responsible for whatever the organization sends out

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #74)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:40 PM

86. ^^^ THIS ^^^!!!!

"And since he runs the organization with an iron fist, he's clearly responsible for whatever the organization sends out"


Do you find it, in any way, ironic that his most strident defenders choose to chastise others for their slavish "devotion" to other figures. That's why I at them. They're ridiculous, and their irony meters are in desperate need of repair.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:01 PM

29. Thank you doctor for offering a prognosis based on evidence that came from someone other

than Assange. If you had done due diligence and clicked on the link and read past the Drudge-like headline, you would know this. The quote comes from the Wikileaks twitter account. Not Assange.

And by the way, Assange is an advocate for personal privacy (a concept that the Supreme Court has upheld as a Constitutional right). He is also an advocate free press and the right to publish state secrets (a concept that the Supreme Court has upheld as having no Constitutional protections.)

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #29)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:11 PM

37. Using the logic Wikileaks posited, Assange's failure to condemn the tweet is tacit approval of it.

I do think that was Julian, however. I'd love to see you prove otherwise.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #37)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:19 PM

43. Since I don't agree with the logic, I wouldn't draw such conclusions.

Of course you think it was Julian even though he hasn't been their official spokesperson in almost two years.

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:32 PM

8. The poor dear: the spotlight shifted away from HIM for a while.

I support Assange's organization and what it stands for, and I deplore what I see as an attempt to railroad the guy...but Jesus H Christ, the guy's a self-important douchebag.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:51 PM

20. Then you should direct your insults to the organization. The Wikileakds twitter account is not

run by Assange.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #20)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:19 PM

42. Do you know that for a fact?

If so, might I ask how?

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #42)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:20 PM

44. Because I know and I won't answer how.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #44)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:26 PM

47. Oh my star and whiskers!

Really? I am just to take this on your say so?

As I said, I am willing to withdraw my assumption as you raise a perfectly rational defense. But, absent a specific denial by Assange of responsibility for the post, I am afraid logic will dictate the initial assumption is correct in the absence of evidence of a higher grade than "Just believe me!"

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #44)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:43 PM

52. Then please understand that I see no reason to accept your claim as factual.

Frankly, I find it counter-intuitive the Assange wouldn't have the login info for the Twitter account that uses the "core branding" of the association of which he is the leader.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #52)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:41 PM

87. But you accept the OP. It is up to the accuser to prove the accusation. And there are very few

people in Wikileaks that are known to the public. This is for their protection. FYI, the current spokeperson for Wikileaks is Kristinn Hrafnsson.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #44)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:23 PM

68. Why? Do *you* run the WL Twitter account?

That would be one way you'd know. Just spitballing here, of course.

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Response to Robb (Reply #68)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:46 PM

92. I'll await an "honest" answer to your query. Although, I won't be holding my breath. Afterall....

how can it be proven/disproven? I can say I'm Prince Harry. Why not? It's the internet.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #92)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:25 PM

104. You being Prince Harry would sure answer a lot of questions!

... Your highness.

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Response to Robb (Reply #104)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:30 PM

108. LoL!

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #92)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 04:16 AM

148. Do you like

skinny dipping?

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #44)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:30 PM

77. That's a Dick Cheney answer.

There is no reason to believe one word you post.

Assange will disappoint you in a spectacular manner one day, and you'll wonder why you fell for it.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #77)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:45 PM

91. Actually, the onus is 100% on the accuser to prove the accusation.

FYI, I do not agree with the Wikileaks tweet (which they removed) nor do I agree with the amended tweet. I am not defending it, I am demanding honesty from DUers. I also, defended Palin, from a misogynist attacks even though I find her politics repugnant.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #42)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:29 PM

75. ... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original

coder, organizer, financier and all the rest. If you have a problem with me, piss off," Assange wrote to one of his Icelandic volunteers, Herbert Snorrason ...How WikiLeaks Blew It
The sad downfall of Julian Assange and his empire of secrets.

BY JOSHUA E. KEATING
AUGUST 16, 2012
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/16/how_wikileaks_blew_it?page=0,0

By now, it's well-documented that Assange regards himself as the creator and absolute dictator of Wikileaks:

... "Julian Assange reacted to any criticism with the allegation that I was disobedient to him and disloyal to the project" ...
12/01/2010
Dissatisfaction with Assange Former WikiLeaks Activists to Launch New Whistleblowing Site
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/dissatisfaction-with-assange-former-wikileaks-activists-to-launch-new-whistleblowing-site-a-732212.html

... Several WikiLeaks members abandoned the site following perceived autocratic behaviour by Mr Assange. They said he failed to consult them on many decisions and put himself front and centre of everything WikiLeaks did ... "You are not anyone's king or god," Mr Domscheit-Berg told Mr Assange in an online chat, a transcript of which was obtained and published by Wired.com. "And you're not even fulfilling your role as a leader right now. A leader communicates and cultivates trust in himself. You are doing the exact opposite. You behave like some kind of emperor or slave trader."
Mr Assange shot back, saying he was suspending Mr Domscheit-Berg for a month and that if he wanted to appeal, "you will be heard on Tuesday" ...
Anger at 'slave trader' Assange: WikiLeaks loyalists decide to break away
December 10, 2010
Asher Moses
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/anger-at-slave-trader-assange-wikileaks-loyalists-decide-to-break-away-20101210-18s0w.html

Unpublished Iraq War Logs Trigger Internal WikiLeaks Revolt
By Kevin Poulsen and Kim Zetter
09.27.10 9:07 PM
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/wikileaks-revolt/

He has been asked to step down temporarily, until the sexual accusations can be resolved, but he has refused:

.... "I think it would be very good for WikiLeaks if there was another spokesperson or even many spokespersons," said Birgitta Jónsdóttir, who, with WikiLeaks' help, recently launched an initiative to make Iceland a safe haven for journalists and whistleblowers.
"It would be convenient if he <Assange> would step aside as a spokesman," she told AFP, stressing, however, that "he has my support in all the other parts he plays in WikiLeaks."
"I think it is always a bit dangerous to mix personal matters and to be a spokesperson for a movement like <WikiLeaks>," said the 43-year-old media freedom champion, who in June oversaw the passing of the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative (IMMI) ...
Iceland MP: Assange should resign
Published: 8 Sep 10 08:03 CET
http://www.thelocal.se/28840/20100908/

Here's the bottom line:

This tweet doesn't come from a professional organization, devoted to government transparency. The tweet is unprofessional, and the tweet isn't about government transparency -- it's about the personal problems of the dude who controls the organization. And since he runs the organization with an iron fist, he's clearly responsible for whatever the organization sends out

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:40 PM

10. He's desperately trying to stay relevant...

We should have a pool on how long he lasts in the Ecuadoran embassy, before he gets bored and decides to give himself up to the British authorities.

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #10)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:42 PM

11. I say February, when either the first hint of Spring hits or...

...he hits on one too many female employees at the embassy.

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #10)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:48 PM

16. "He's desperately trying to stay relevant..."!

And don't you find that a bit sad? I do. That's why I think he's facing some challenges that haven't been publicized. This whole persecution thing, and wanting to be the center of everyone's world, is just bizarre. He's the Glenn Beck of the left.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #16)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:14 PM

63. THANK YOU. The "Glen Beck of the Left" fits perfectly.

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Response to Care Acutely (Reply #63)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:18 PM

65. They're both assholes. Hard to know which one smells worse.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #65)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:48 PM

93. Depends on which one is in the vicinity I guess. I was a supervisor for the last census,

went to training for a whole week at an awful hotel that had TP with visible wood in it (but that's a story for another day) and came out to breakfast one morning to see two other supervisors sitting there hackling and cackling over what a funny cut-up that Glen Beck was while he ranted on about - - - wait for it - - - GOVERNMENT WORKERS.

I swear to Dog I almost turned around and went back to bed.

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #10)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:46 PM

111. +1 I expect this to happen

at some point, when he's run out of ideas.

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:43 PM

12. The tweet comes from Wikilieaks. Not Assange. Grow up.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #12)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:09 PM

59. Prove it. nt

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #59)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:12 PM

62. The OP is making the accusation. The onus is on the OP to prove it.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #62)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:18 PM

66. The OP is not making any accusation. The OP quoted a news story that said Assange did it. You

claim that the news story is incorrect.

Prove it.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #66)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:51 PM

94. The OP in this case, means the original post. Assange is not currently the spokesperson for

Wikileaks is Kristinn Hrafnssons.

If I reproduced a news article that Obama wrote something that was posted on WhiteHouse.gov, it would be up to me to stand up and prove that assertion.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #94)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:24 PM

103. Hrafnssons was drunk tweeting AGAIN? So these other tweets are him, too? :




The days of smearing this organization are over. One by one, you’re going down



Journalists are corrupt morons flying jumbo jets loaded with entire nations. Never has a profession displayed such dangerous incompetence.



All truely professional journalists know that this is true, but refrain from saying so in an attempt to keep job prospects open.


http://www.listener.co.nz/commentary/the-internaut/i-am-a-corrupt-moron-flying-jumbo-jets-loaded-with-entire-nations-says-julian-assange/



I refer you to the full article for the rest of the lunacy. I think Julian likes to get pissed and tweet.



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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #94)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:48 PM

113. And does not the organization's leader have to take responsibility

for the actions of his employees, like Kristin?

If Holder said something you'd sure be blaming Obama for that.

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Response to treestar (Reply #113)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:51 PM

119. Who is the leader of Wikileaks right now?

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #62)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:47 PM

112. You're the one making the claim that the leader/founder/philospher/janitor

of WL didn't do it.

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Response to treestar (Reply #112)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:53 PM

120. Yep. He is no longer the spokesperson.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #12)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:30 PM

76. ... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original

coder, organizer, financier and all the rest. If you have a problem with me, piss off," Assange wrote to one of his Icelandic volunteers, Herbert Snorrason ...How WikiLeaks Blew It
The sad downfall of Julian Assange and his empire of secrets.

BY JOSHUA E. KEATING
AUGUST 16, 2012
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/16/how_wikileaks_blew_it?page=0,0

By now, it's well-documented that Assange regards himself as the creator and absolute dictator of Wikileaks:

... "Julian Assange reacted to any criticism with the allegation that I was disobedient to him and disloyal to the project" ...
12/01/2010
Dissatisfaction with Assange Former WikiLeaks Activists to Launch New Whistleblowing Site
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/dissatisfaction-with-assange-former-wikileaks-activists-to-launch-new-whistleblowing-site-a-732212.html

... Several WikiLeaks members abandoned the site following perceived autocratic behaviour by Mr Assange. They said he failed to consult them on many decisions and put himself front and centre of everything WikiLeaks did ... "You are not anyone's king or god," Mr Domscheit-Berg told Mr Assange in an online chat, a transcript of which was obtained and published by Wired.com. "And you're not even fulfilling your role as a leader right now. A leader communicates and cultivates trust in himself. You are doing the exact opposite. You behave like some kind of emperor or slave trader."
Mr Assange shot back, saying he was suspending Mr Domscheit-Berg for a month and that if he wanted to appeal, "you will be heard on Tuesday" ...
Anger at 'slave trader' Assange: WikiLeaks loyalists decide to break away
December 10, 2010
Asher Moses
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/anger-at-slave-trader-assange-wikileaks-loyalists-decide-to-break-away-20101210-18s0w.html

Unpublished Iraq War Logs Trigger Internal WikiLeaks Revolt
By Kevin Poulsen and Kim Zetter
09.27.10 9:07 PM
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/wikileaks-revolt/

He has been asked to step down temporarily, until the sexual accusations can be resolved, but he has refused:

.... "I think it would be very good for WikiLeaks if there was another spokesperson or even many spokespersons," said Birgitta Jónsdóttir, who, with WikiLeaks' help, recently launched an initiative to make Iceland a safe haven for journalists and whistleblowers.
"It would be convenient if he <Assange> would step aside as a spokesman," she told AFP, stressing, however, that "he has my support in all the other parts he plays in WikiLeaks."
"I think it is always a bit dangerous to mix personal matters and to be a spokesperson for a movement like <WikiLeaks>," said the 43-year-old media freedom champion, who in June oversaw the passing of the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative (IMMI) ...
Iceland MP: Assange should resign
Published: 8 Sep 10 08:03 CET
http://www.thelocal.se/28840/20100908/

Here's the bottom line:

This tweet doesn't come from a professional organization, devoted to government transparency. The tweet is unprofessional, and the tweet isn't about government transparency -- it's about the personal problems of the dude who controls the organization. And since he runs the organization with an iron fist, he's clearly responsible for whatever the organization sends out

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:48 PM

15. fuck him. nt

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:50 PM

18. Thanks for providing more anti-Assange propaganda, demonstrating your bizarre obsession with him

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #18)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:53 PM

24. And he had to post someone else's lie in order to smear Assange. The quoted tweet did not come from

Assange. It came from the Wikileaks twitter account which is not run by Assange.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #24)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:07 PM

31. The anti-Assange is strong in this one,

and it BURRRRRRRNS!

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #24)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:30 PM

78. ... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original

coder, organizer, financier and all the rest. If you have a problem with me, piss off," Assange wrote to one of his Icelandic volunteers, Herbert Snorrason ...How WikiLeaks Blew It
The sad downfall of Julian Assange and his empire of secrets.

BY JOSHUA E. KEATING
AUGUST 16, 2012
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/16/how_wikileaks_blew_it?page=0,0

By now, it's well-documented that Assange regards himself as the creator and absolute dictator of Wikileaks:

... "Julian Assange reacted to any criticism with the allegation that I was disobedient to him and disloyal to the project" ...
12/01/2010
Dissatisfaction with Assange Former WikiLeaks Activists to Launch New Whistleblowing Site
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/dissatisfaction-with-assange-former-wikileaks-activists-to-launch-new-whistleblowing-site-a-732212.html

... Several WikiLeaks members abandoned the site following perceived autocratic behaviour by Mr Assange. They said he failed to consult them on many decisions and put himself front and centre of everything WikiLeaks did ... "You are not anyone's king or god," Mr Domscheit-Berg told Mr Assange in an online chat, a transcript of which was obtained and published by Wired.com. "And you're not even fulfilling your role as a leader right now. A leader communicates and cultivates trust in himself. You are doing the exact opposite. You behave like some kind of emperor or slave trader."
Mr Assange shot back, saying he was suspending Mr Domscheit-Berg for a month and that if he wanted to appeal, "you will be heard on Tuesday" ...
Anger at 'slave trader' Assange: WikiLeaks loyalists decide to break away
December 10, 2010
Asher Moses
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/anger-at-slave-trader-assange-wikileaks-loyalists-decide-to-break-away-20101210-18s0w.html

Unpublished Iraq War Logs Trigger Internal WikiLeaks Revolt
By Kevin Poulsen and Kim Zetter
09.27.10 9:07 PM
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/wikileaks-revolt/

He has been asked to step down temporarily, until the sexual accusations can be resolved, but he has refused:

.... "I think it would be very good for WikiLeaks if there was another spokesperson or even many spokespersons," said Birgitta Jónsdóttir, who, with WikiLeaks' help, recently launched an initiative to make Iceland a safe haven for journalists and whistleblowers.
"It would be convenient if he <Assange> would step aside as a spokesman," she told AFP, stressing, however, that "he has my support in all the other parts he plays in WikiLeaks."
"I think it is always a bit dangerous to mix personal matters and to be a spokesperson for a movement like <WikiLeaks>," said the 43-year-old media freedom champion, who in June oversaw the passing of the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative (IMMI) ...
Iceland MP: Assange should resign
Published: 8 Sep 10 08:03 CET
http://www.thelocal.se/28840/20100908/

Here's the bottom line:

This tweet doesn't come from a professional organization, devoted to government transparency. The tweet is unprofessional, and the tweet isn't about government transparency -- it's about the personal problems of the dude who controls the organization. And since he runs the organization with an iron fist, he's clearly responsible for whatever the organization sends out

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #18)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:49 PM

115. This is just a tweet HE put out!

His own site is "anti" propaganda?

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:50 PM

19. You really have a man crush on Assange...every one

of your posting is about him...at least I haven't seen any other ones.

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Response to movonne (Reply #19)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:52 PM

22. And Assange didn't even say it. It was posted by the Wikileaks twitter account which is not Assange.

Though, I expect that the OP will not retract this disinformation.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #22)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:55 PM

26. Notice that the usual anti-Assange suspects are ignoring that information

What a shock.

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Response to brentspeak (Reply #26)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:09 PM

33. Its to be expected. When 15% of Ohians think that Romney had something to do

with the Osama raid, I just have to live with willful ignorance.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #33)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:21 PM

45. Well, now you've kind of insulted me and called me stupid

Here I go and accept the premise you have described (Assange did not post this, even though it comes from Wikileaks). This is perfectly reasonable defense and one I am prepared to accept, then I read down and you are accusing people of being stupid (by comparing them to Romney supporters who believe bullshit) for this assumption, or of having nefarious motives.

You do not do yourself or your case any favors by such broad sweeping statements.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #45)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 12:05 AM

122. Nope. I have accused you of believing that Assange said something with

no evidence whatsoever that Assange said anything.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #33)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:29 PM

49. Yeah, what's your stake in Assange?

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Response to randome (Reply #49)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 12:41 AM

125. Same stake that I had with Ellsberg. I was ant-war from age 10

and regularly attacked in my community for being so. When Ellsberg sought to release Pentagon Papers , I was age 13, I was living in Delaware and surrounded by people who thought he was a traitor. My family and I believed otherwise. We were outliers. (Thank you Mom & Dad!)

Ellsberg is one of my personal heroes. He risked his life & liberty to bring truth to power. He stands with Assange and so do I.

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Response to brentspeak (Reply #26)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:46 PM

53. .

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Response to brentspeak (Reply #26)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:42 PM

89. ... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original

coder, organizer, financier and all the rest. If you have a problem with me, piss off," Assange wrote to one of his Icelandic volunteers, Herbert Snorrason ...How WikiLeaks Blew It
The sad downfall of Julian Assange and his empire of secrets.

BY JOSHUA E. KEATING
AUGUST 16, 2012
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/16/how_wikileaks_blew_it?page=0,0

By now, it's well-documented that Assange regards himself as the creator and absolute dictator of Wikileaks:

... "Julian Assange reacted to any criticism with the allegation that I was disobedient to him and disloyal to the project" ...
12/01/2010
Dissatisfaction with Assange Former WikiLeaks Activists to Launch New Whistleblowing Site
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/dissatisfaction-with-assange-former-wikileaks-activists-to-launch-new-whistleblowing-site-a-732212.html

... Several WikiLeaks members abandoned the site following perceived autocratic behaviour by Mr Assange. They said he failed to consult them on many decisions and put himself front and centre of everything WikiLeaks did ... "You are not anyone's king or god," Mr Domscheit-Berg told Mr Assange in an online chat, a transcript of which was obtained and published by Wired.com. "And you're not even fulfilling your role as a leader right now. A leader communicates and cultivates trust in himself. You are doing the exact opposite. You behave like some kind of emperor or slave trader."
Mr Assange shot back, saying he was suspending Mr Domscheit-Berg for a month and that if he wanted to appeal, "you will be heard on Tuesday" ...
Anger at 'slave trader' Assange: WikiLeaks loyalists decide to break away
December 10, 2010
Asher Moses
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/anger-at-slave-trader-assange-wikileaks-loyalists-decide-to-break-away-20101210-18s0w.html

Unpublished Iraq War Logs Trigger Internal WikiLeaks Revolt
By Kevin Poulsen and Kim Zetter
09.27.10 9:07 PM
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/wikileaks-revolt/

He has been asked to step down temporarily, until the sexual accusations can be resolved, but he has refused:

.... "I think it would be very good for WikiLeaks if there was another spokesperson or even many spokespersons," said Birgitta Jónsdóttir, who, with WikiLeaks' help, recently launched an initiative to make Iceland a safe haven for journalists and whistleblowers.
"It would be convenient if he <Assange> would step aside as a spokesman," she told AFP, stressing, however, that "he has my support in all the other parts he plays in WikiLeaks."
"I think it is always a bit dangerous to mix personal matters and to be a spokesperson for a movement like <WikiLeaks>," said the 43-year-old media freedom champion, who in June oversaw the passing of the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative (IMMI) ...
Iceland MP: Assange should resign
Published: 8 Sep 10 08:03 CET
http://www.thelocal.se/28840/20100908/

Here's the bottom line:

This tweet doesn't come from a professional organization, devoted to government transparency. The tweet is unprofessional, and the tweet isn't about government transparency -- it's about the personal problems of the dude who controls the organization. And since he runs the organization with an iron fist, he's clearly responsible for whatever the organization sends out

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #22)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:31 PM

79. ... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original

coder, organizer, financier and all the rest. If you have a problem with me, piss off," Assange wrote to one of his Icelandic volunteers, Herbert Snorrason ...How WikiLeaks Blew It
The sad downfall of Julian Assange and his empire of secrets.

BY JOSHUA E. KEATING
AUGUST 16, 2012
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/16/how_wikileaks_blew_it?page=0,0

By now, it's well-documented that Assange regards himself as the creator and absolute dictator of Wikileaks:

... "Julian Assange reacted to any criticism with the allegation that I was disobedient to him and disloyal to the project" ...
12/01/2010
Dissatisfaction with Assange Former WikiLeaks Activists to Launch New Whistleblowing Site
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/dissatisfaction-with-assange-former-wikileaks-activists-to-launch-new-whistleblowing-site-a-732212.html

... Several WikiLeaks members abandoned the site following perceived autocratic behaviour by Mr Assange. They said he failed to consult them on many decisions and put himself front and centre of everything WikiLeaks did ... "You are not anyone's king or god," Mr Domscheit-Berg told Mr Assange in an online chat, a transcript of which was obtained and published by Wired.com. "And you're not even fulfilling your role as a leader right now. A leader communicates and cultivates trust in himself. You are doing the exact opposite. You behave like some kind of emperor or slave trader."
Mr Assange shot back, saying he was suspending Mr Domscheit-Berg for a month and that if he wanted to appeal, "you will be heard on Tuesday" ...
Anger at 'slave trader' Assange: WikiLeaks loyalists decide to break away
December 10, 2010
Asher Moses
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/anger-at-slave-trader-assange-wikileaks-loyalists-decide-to-break-away-20101210-18s0w.html

Unpublished Iraq War Logs Trigger Internal WikiLeaks Revolt
By Kevin Poulsen and Kim Zetter
09.27.10 9:07 PM
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/wikileaks-revolt/

He has been asked to step down temporarily, until the sexual accusations can be resolved, but he has refused:

.... "I think it would be very good for WikiLeaks if there was another spokesperson or even many spokespersons," said Birgitta Jónsdóttir, who, with WikiLeaks' help, recently launched an initiative to make Iceland a safe haven for journalists and whistleblowers.
"It would be convenient if he <Assange> would step aside as a spokesman," she told AFP, stressing, however, that "he has my support in all the other parts he plays in WikiLeaks."
"I think it is always a bit dangerous to mix personal matters and to be a spokesperson for a movement like <WikiLeaks>," said the 43-year-old media freedom champion, who in June oversaw the passing of the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative (IMMI) ...
Iceland MP: Assange should resign
Published: 8 Sep 10 08:03 CET
http://www.thelocal.se/28840/20100908/

Here's the bottom line:

This tweet doesn't come from a professional organization, devoted to government transparency. The tweet is unprofessional, and the tweet isn't about government transparency -- it's about the personal problems of the dude who controls the organization. And since he runs the organization with an iron fist, he's clearly responsible for whatever the organization sends out

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:52 PM

23. Fuck him.

I don't see how a bunch of cops standing around waiting to arrest somebody equates to murdering a diplomat.

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Response to name not needed (Reply #23)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:07 PM

30. Ding! Ding! Ding!

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Response to name not needed (Reply #23)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:10 PM

34. Welp. He didn't say it. If you had read the article you would have realized that it

was posted by the Wikileaks twitter account. Assange does not run that account.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #34)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:32 PM

81. ... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original

coder, organizer, financier and all the rest. If you have a problem with me, piss off," Assange wrote to one of his Icelandic volunteers, Herbert Snorrason ...How WikiLeaks Blew It
The sad downfall of Julian Assange and his empire of secrets.

BY JOSHUA E. KEATING
AUGUST 16, 2012
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/16/how_wikileaks_blew_it?page=0,0

By now, it's well-documented that Assange regards himself as the creator and absolute dictator of Wikileaks:

... "Julian Assange reacted to any criticism with the allegation that I was disobedient to him and disloyal to the project" ...
12/01/2010
Dissatisfaction with Assange Former WikiLeaks Activists to Launch New Whistleblowing Site
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/dissatisfaction-with-assange-former-wikileaks-activists-to-launch-new-whistleblowing-site-a-732212.html

... Several WikiLeaks members abandoned the site following perceived autocratic behaviour by Mr Assange. They said he failed to consult them on many decisions and put himself front and centre of everything WikiLeaks did ... "You are not anyone's king or god," Mr Domscheit-Berg told Mr Assange in an online chat, a transcript of which was obtained and published by Wired.com. "And you're not even fulfilling your role as a leader right now. A leader communicates and cultivates trust in himself. You are doing the exact opposite. You behave like some kind of emperor or slave trader."
Mr Assange shot back, saying he was suspending Mr Domscheit-Berg for a month and that if he wanted to appeal, "you will be heard on Tuesday" ...
Anger at 'slave trader' Assange: WikiLeaks loyalists decide to break away
December 10, 2010
Asher Moses
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/anger-at-slave-trader-assange-wikileaks-loyalists-decide-to-break-away-20101210-18s0w.html

Unpublished Iraq War Logs Trigger Internal WikiLeaks Revolt
By Kevin Poulsen and Kim Zetter
09.27.10 9:07 PM
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/wikileaks-revolt/

He has been asked to step down temporarily, until the sexual accusations can be resolved, but he has refused:

.... "I think it would be very good for WikiLeaks if there was another spokesperson or even many spokespersons," said Birgitta Jónsdóttir, who, with WikiLeaks' help, recently launched an initiative to make Iceland a safe haven for journalists and whistleblowers.
"It would be convenient if he <Assange> would step aside as a spokesman," she told AFP, stressing, however, that "he has my support in all the other parts he plays in WikiLeaks."
"I think it is always a bit dangerous to mix personal matters and to be a spokesperson for a movement like <WikiLeaks>," said the 43-year-old media freedom champion, who in June oversaw the passing of the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative (IMMI) ...
Iceland MP: Assange should resign
Published: 8 Sep 10 08:03 CET
http://www.thelocal.se/28840/20100908/

Here's the bottom line:

This tweet doesn't come from a professional organization, devoted to government transparency. The tweet is unprofessional, and the tweet isn't about government transparency -- it's about the personal problems of the dude who controls the organization. And since he runs the organization with an iron fist, he's clearly responsible for whatever the organization sends out

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:09 PM

32. First Nicki Minaj, now Julian Assange...Mitt's getting all the key endorsements!

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Response to reformist2 (Reply #32)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:11 PM

36. It wasn't Assange. The OP is incorrect. But I expect you know that and don't care.

Hey! Did you hear! Obama is a Kenyan!

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #36)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:27 PM

48. No, I do care. I read the first paragraph, and it sounded like he sent the tweet.


At least Romney still has Nicki's endorsement.

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:16 PM

39. As you have pointed out, personal feelings for the man are not germane. Thanks. nt

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:16 PM

41. Whoever wrote that is an asshole.

If it was Assange, or someone else at Wikileaks, it certainly paints them in a bad light.

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:22 PM

46. You realize this guy is just an attention whore with a giant ego, right?

What a pathetic twit, inserting himself into the events of yesterday like this.

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:30 PM

50. ...




If you, or the person that wrote the commentary, have some evidence that the rest of us don't regarding who actually wrote the tweet, do get back to us with it.

We also accept apologies for spreading misinformation.

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:47 PM

54. Fuck off, Assange.

Stick to what you know - yourself.

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Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:47 PM

55. DU rec...nt

Sid

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #58)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:10 PM

60. Could you or them post some proof of the statement that Assange doesn't have access to Wikileaks

twitter account?

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #60)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:32 PM

82. ... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original

coder, organizer, financier and all the rest. If you have a problem with me, piss off," Assange wrote to one of his Icelandic volunteers, Herbert Snorrason ...How WikiLeaks Blew It
The sad downfall of Julian Assange and his empire of secrets.

BY JOSHUA E. KEATING
AUGUST 16, 2012
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/16/how_wikileaks_blew_it?page=0,0

By now, it's well-documented that Assange regards himself as the creator and absolute dictator of Wikileaks:

... "Julian Assange reacted to any criticism with the allegation that I was disobedient to him and disloyal to the project" ...
12/01/2010
Dissatisfaction with Assange Former WikiLeaks Activists to Launch New Whistleblowing Site
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/dissatisfaction-with-assange-former-wikileaks-activists-to-launch-new-whistleblowing-site-a-732212.html

... Several WikiLeaks members abandoned the site following perceived autocratic behaviour by Mr Assange. They said he failed to consult them on many decisions and put himself front and centre of everything WikiLeaks did ... "You are not anyone's king or god," Mr Domscheit-Berg told Mr Assange in an online chat, a transcript of which was obtained and published by Wired.com. "And you're not even fulfilling your role as a leader right now. A leader communicates and cultivates trust in himself. You are doing the exact opposite. You behave like some kind of emperor or slave trader."
Mr Assange shot back, saying he was suspending Mr Domscheit-Berg for a month and that if he wanted to appeal, "you will be heard on Tuesday" ...
Anger at 'slave trader' Assange: WikiLeaks loyalists decide to break away
December 10, 2010
Asher Moses
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/anger-at-slave-trader-assange-wikileaks-loyalists-decide-to-break-away-20101210-18s0w.html

Unpublished Iraq War Logs Trigger Internal WikiLeaks Revolt
By Kevin Poulsen and Kim Zetter
09.27.10 9:07 PM
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/wikileaks-revolt/

He has been asked to step down temporarily, until the sexual accusations can be resolved, but he has refused:

.... "I think it would be very good for WikiLeaks if there was another spokesperson or even many spokespersons," said Birgitta Jónsdóttir, who, with WikiLeaks' help, recently launched an initiative to make Iceland a safe haven for journalists and whistleblowers.
"It would be convenient if he <Assange> would step aside as a spokesman," she told AFP, stressing, however, that "he has my support in all the other parts he plays in WikiLeaks."
"I think it is always a bit dangerous to mix personal matters and to be a spokesperson for a movement like <WikiLeaks>," said the 43-year-old media freedom champion, who in June oversaw the passing of the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative (IMMI) ...
Iceland MP: Assange should resign
Published: 8 Sep 10 08:03 CET
http://www.thelocal.se/28840/20100908/

Here's the bottom line:

This tweet doesn't come from a professional organization, devoted to government transparency. The tweet is unprofessional, and the tweet isn't about government transparency -- it's about the personal problems of the dude who controls the organization. And since he runs the organization with an iron fist, he's clearly responsible for whatever the organization sends out

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:10 PM

61. FUCK YOU JULIAN you narcissistic piece of shit.

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:16 PM

64. Dumbest thing I've read all day

and I've been reading Romney all day.

Wow Fail.

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:28 PM

73. @wikileaks is ... trolling.

Disappointing.

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:33 PM

84. Must have missed where the UK brought out the rocket launcher....

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Reply #84)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:44 PM

90. ...

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:42 PM

88. Not that I'm a fan of Assange, I'd like proof that he really said this. n/t

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Response to cynatnite (Reply #88)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:55 PM

96. Good luck with that. Like your average Fox News viewer, the anti-wikileaks folks

don't need no stinkin' proof. Somebody said it! So it must be true!

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #96)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:00 PM

97. Call me an anti-wikileaks person and I am no Fox News viewer...

Just because some don't agree with wikileaks or like Assange does not mean that they're equivilant to a Fox News viewer.

All it means is that they don't agree. We've all got different opinions that can fit under the Dem party umbrella.

We do not march in lock step like the repukes and Fox News does.

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Response to cynatnite (Reply #88)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:01 PM

98. ... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original

coder, organizer, financier and all the rest. If you have a problem with me, piss off," Assange wrote to one of his Icelandic volunteers, Herbert Snorrason ...How WikiLeaks Blew It
The sad downfall of Julian Assange and his empire of secrets.

BY JOSHUA E. KEATING
AUGUST 16, 2012
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/16/how_wikileaks_blew_it?page=0,0

By now, it's well-documented that Assange regards himself as the creator and absolute dictator of Wikileaks:

... "Julian Assange reacted to any criticism with the allegation that I was disobedient to him and disloyal to the project" ...
12/01/2010
Dissatisfaction with Assange Former WikiLeaks Activists to Launch New Whistleblowing Site
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/dissatisfaction-with-assange-former-wikileaks-activists-to-launch-new-whistleblowing-site-a-732212.html

... Several WikiLeaks members abandoned the site following perceived autocratic behaviour by Mr Assange. They said he failed to consult them on many decisions and put himself front and centre of everything WikiLeaks did ... "You are not anyone's king or god," Mr Domscheit-Berg told Mr Assange in an online chat, a transcript of which was obtained and published by Wired.com. "And you're not even fulfilling your role as a leader right now. A leader communicates and cultivates trust in himself. You are doing the exact opposite. You behave like some kind of emperor or slave trader."
Mr Assange shot back, saying he was suspending Mr Domscheit-Berg for a month and that if he wanted to appeal, "you will be heard on Tuesday" ...
Anger at 'slave trader' Assange: WikiLeaks loyalists decide to break away
December 10, 2010
Asher Moses
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/anger-at-slave-trader-assange-wikileaks-loyalists-decide-to-break-away-20101210-18s0w.html

Unpublished Iraq War Logs Trigger Internal WikiLeaks Revolt
By Kevin Poulsen and Kim Zetter
09.27.10 9:07 PM
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/wikileaks-revolt/

He has been asked to step down temporarily, until the sexual accusations can be resolved, but he has refused:

.... "I think it would be very good for WikiLeaks if there was another spokesperson or even many spokespersons," said Birgitta Jónsdóttir, who, with WikiLeaks' help, recently launched an initiative to make Iceland a safe haven for journalists and whistleblowers.
"It would be convenient if he <Assange> would step aside as a spokesman," she told AFP, stressing, however, that "he has my support in all the other parts he plays in WikiLeaks."
"I think it is always a bit dangerous to mix personal matters and to be a spokesperson for a movement like <WikiLeaks>," said the 43-year-old media freedom champion, who in June oversaw the passing of the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative (IMMI) ...
Iceland MP: Assange should resign
Published: 8 Sep 10 08:03 CET
http://www.thelocal.se/28840/20100908/

Here's the bottom line:

This tweet doesn't come from a professional organization, devoted to government transparency. The tweet is unprofessional, and the tweet isn't about government transparency -- it's about the personal problems of the dude who controls the organization. And since he runs the organization with an iron fist, he's clearly responsible for whatever the organization sends out

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #98)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:04 PM

100. Well, I meant that his actual name was attached. n/t

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Response to cynatnite (Reply #100)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:13 PM

102. Well, it's his secret organization, and he ran off everbody who questioned him -- so I can't see

what-the-fuck difference it would make whether or not he wrote and sent the tweet, because the mess falls in his lap no matter how I parse it

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #102)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:28 PM

106. I wonder who did these drunk tweets---

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Response to cynatnite (Reply #88)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:04 PM

99. The OP has a thing about Assange and

will put up anything that disparages him even if it's not true or if half the facts are missing. You won't get proof on this thread.

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:06 PM

101. Someone needs to tweet back "Recommend increasing the dosage for Assange, No good? Then decrease!

I don't use twitter.

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Response to BootinUp (Reply #101)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:29 PM

107. !!!




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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #107)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:40 PM

109. Some more tweets that nobody wants to claim ownership of--

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #109)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:14 PM

117. Aw Jeez. You think they were "hacked"?

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #117)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 12:26 AM

123. If by 'hacked' you mean 'drank a shit-load of whiskey and posted crap in the middle of the night'

then, yes, they got hacked.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #123)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 12:32 AM

124. !!!

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:41 PM

110. If there's a way he can make it about him, he will

regardless of the absurdity of it!

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:48 PM

114. Shame on you for using this tragedy to promote your hatred of Assange. nt

 

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #114)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 12:48 AM

127. Yes, this poster has no shame.

I keep wondering if she's an ex-girlfriend of Assange's who got dumped by him. She seems very bitter making post after post deriding him. I don't consider Assange a gem. He's a scumbag, but hell hath no fury like this attacker of Assange has.

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:50 PM

116. Wow, so you just out and out lied, huh?

You should be ashamed.

Apparently there is no evidence that this was tweeted by Assange at all.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #116)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 12:45 AM

126. I posted a short excerpt with a link. YMMV

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #116)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 12:55 AM

130. She don't need no stinkin' evidence.

No matter what facts you present, she will move on and find something new to attack him with.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #130)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 01:33 AM

135. The link does include screen-shots:



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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #135)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 02:37 AM

144. What's with the "puzzlement" icon?

You are claiming Assange said it.

There is no reason to assume that he did.

That is why people are calling you out for passing along false information.

YMMV.

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 01:24 AM

133. I am so F***ing sick of him I could barf. What a prima donna. His 15 minutes are long over. n/t

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