Tue Sep 11, 2012, 10:46 AM
DonCoquixote (9,283 posts)
thoughts on 9-11 from a Jersey boy
Now, I need to give you some context. I was born in Jersey City, which is literally across the Hudson from Manhattan. Not to sound like Sarah Palin, but yes, I could indeed see the Twin Towers from the front porch of my old house. In thar area of New Jersey, there were two places to work; the industrial wastelands if you were Blue Collar, or, if you wanted to avoid that, you took the subway into Manhattan. A lot of people forget that most of the people who worked in that building were from Northern New Jersey: Hackensack, Hoboken, Passaic, and yes, Jersey City.
When 9-11 happened, I had long since gotten used to Tampa, where I am now. My brother was still in Jersey, and indeed, was supposed to be treated to breakfast at windows on the world, the restaurant at the very top of the WTC. It was beautiful, the sort of place you could literally see Conneticut from. Of course, said breakfast would have been a rich affair, but for some reason, my brother decided not to go. Turned out to be the best decision of his life, considering that he would have become toast. My sister, before coming down to Florida with the rest of my family, worked at a law firm that owned a large floor. If she had not moved down, she would have been working there still, along with the few dozen people she still knew on a first name basis that got killed.
Ok, now that I have established my history, I will quote Keith Olbermann: "for me, this was, is, and always will ber, personal." I got angry at the throngs of Palestinians cheering for the camera, and I got mad when Ted Rall decided to demonize the Jersey Girls just so he could get off the trademark snark. Of course, like everyone else, I was angry, and every Afghani could have burned to ash for all I cared. However, considering that Jersey City had a large Muslim population, that did help me put the brakes on my prejudice. Hell, my first crush in grade school was a Jordanian girl who was anything BUT the stereotype of Muslim, as were many of the kids I grew up eating Pizza with because we were getting beaten up by the Irish and Italian kids.
To this day, the fact I grew up with many Muslims and Jews has helped me keep a certain perspective, namely because when you live with people, you see them as people, instead of the stereotypes. People even see themselves less as stereotypes, as they have to learn to talk and work with the people they would not otherwise have to. I know that if I grew up in Tampa, I might have been a lot less tolerant; all groups down here tend to want to exist in separate channels, not allowing for the bumps into each other, the casual waiting in lines, where people can realize they are human than stereotype.
However, as much as I would like to remove anger from this, I cannot. I have learned that, while anger is deadly,it has a use, especially when it is the only thing that cannot be sated with deception. There is anger enough to go around: The presidenct that was incompotent, his servants that used that to make a profit, and to try and salvage the Republican party just as it was about to be laughed out of existence. The military industrial complex that had turned the idea of warmaking itself into a buisness, so much so that even after Hussein and Ben Ladin are cold corpses, the wars still ring on. I got angry at Israel, because so many of their talking heads and scribes acted like it was our moral duty to just shovel bodies and gold to them, and never ever dare criticize, like a good servant.
Most of my anger is for the right, but I will not hide anger for the left: for Blue Dog Democrats like Hillary Clinton herself, that helped cheerlead the war into Iraq. For Hans Blix, whose utter incompotence made the whole idea of UN intervention to tattered joke it is now. For the folks that still believed that their Vote for Nader did not put Bush in charge. I got sick of the doubletalk of many Muslims, who were eager to cover their own atrocities with subterfuge sauce, and no, the bit where many supported killing a Danish cartoonist for drawing Mohammed did not help matters. I remember the old First Nations proverb about the two dogs within the soul, and that if you feed that angry one, it will devour you in the end. It is hard, as there is a LOT to feed that damn angry dog, but for every religous person that seems to use their faith as an excuse to kill and bully other people, there are still the Jews and Muslims who I can have an honest talk with over Pizza, especially as, down here in Tampa, we get to complain that no pizza is as good as the type we grew up with in Jersey.
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thoughts on 9-11 from a Jersey boy (Original post)
Response to DonCoquixote (Original post)
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 11:19 AM
riverbendviewgal (3,507 posts)
1. hey Jersey boy...you share my sentiments
I'm an ex jersey girl who also grew up seeing the twin towers for a more distant view than you had but they were about a half inch in my sight line and a 40 minute drive away..
I was in my new townhouse outside of Toronto...just moved in a few weeks after my husband died in May...after our son died 18 months before that. I felt so shocked and angry.
I had been angry for my guys dying and then on 9/11 angry for those in those buildings and planes dying.
But like you I have a different perspective about people and can't lump anyone into groups, except now it is the right wingers that I feel anger at.
But I have been angry also at the Democrats because of Viet Nam.
I find now I get angry at the military industrial complex thinking and the extreme religious groups. Living in Toronto I got to know many people from all over the world and with different religions or no religion. We all got along. My sons grew up in a school filled with kids from all over the world. They became better men because of it.
I agree with you about Jersey pizza....No pizza as good anywhere in the world like pizza from NJ...I loved the pizza on the boardwalk and one place eons ago in New Brunswick...a pizza joint owned and run by Italians directly from Italy..
May 9/11 never be repeated. RIP all those who died and died afterwards from sickness while helping out.
Response to DonCoquixote (Original post)
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 12:21 PM
AnotherDreamWeaver (1,954 posts)
2. Have you followed Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth?
There is also a Fire Fighters For 9/11 Truth group, I have listened to representatives speak.
I wonder if they are being hit today with some excess traffic, as I get "server unexpectedly dropped the connection."
(edit to complete link address)
Response to AnotherDreamWeaver (Reply #2)
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 05:22 PM
DonCoquixote (9,283 posts)
4. I have heard their ilk
which is in effect "no way a bunch of kids with good funding could have done it, it had to be us ourselves."
You may have meant well, but for today, leave it. I have no truck for anyone today that insists this is all part of why their sides is right or wrong.